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[–]MRB88 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

So...not sure its fair to blame my generation for this entitlement mentality using this argument. Let's not forget that millennials have disproportionately been the ones in the desert for the past decade.

[–]IronPathologistSowellian Buckleyite [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is true. I'm not sure millennial were demanding free college, or if the 70 year old socialist decided it was a good way to get votes and show off his vast economic knowledge.

[–]ConservativeUAWguy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a millennial army veteran who went to college on the GI Bill then paid for my wife to also go to college which was a waste of time (you can't fix lazy) but I in no way think free college is smart, responsible as a society, or even beneficial to the graduates. When college is "free" enrollment rates will skyrocket, graduation rates will plummet, tuition cost will skyrocket, and degree required career paths will become flooded with graduates. while that may help out some struggling demographics at what cost to the tax payer? Those exact students that received "free" college to get that good paying job will be paying that tuition back in the form of jacked up tax rates for the rest of their lives, effectively paying more for the program they used than just getting the student loan. If they squander their diplomas or go for women's studies etc. It is nothing more than a boon on our society.

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A whole fraction of a percent. But great deflection of responsibility.

[–]SeptemberOf76 [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Sure, unless you get turned away for conditions like I did.

Long gone are the days where you could choose jail or service for minor offenses as well. It seems they are very very picky these days.

[–]scsnse [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah. If you just look at mental disqualifiers, anxiety and mood disorders is easily 5-10% of the population alone.

[–]BarrettBuckeyeconstitutional conservative [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

I would guess that the majority of people demanding "free" tax-paid college have no physical conditions preventing them from joining the military. That's who I think this particular meme is directed at.

[–]SeptemberOf76 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

There's a shit-ton of exclusions, and even then gets filtered by branch:

You must (with very few exceptions) have a high school diploma.

Have no more than two dependents.

Have a willingness to serve on or around the water. (coast guard obv)

if you have any sort of criminal record it gets really hard to get in

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-law.html

on top of that, the medical condition exclusions

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html

:/

[–]robotoverlordzReagan Conservative [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

The military can issue waivers for many things that would bar you from serving, under normal circumstances. I know this, because many of the people I was in boot camp with, in the Army, got in with waivers for various things.

Obviously, not everything can be waivered. For instance, one guy made it half way through and then discovered he had a life-threatening allergy to fire ants. No waiver for that. He was sent home despite his protests to be allowed to stay in. Still, I'm sure the number of people with life-threatening fire ant allergies is microscopic compared to the total number of people wanting free college.

[–]SeptemberOf76 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I would think that the people who are seeking education would be the same types who have a hard time getting education, and an exclusion is a high school education. Apparently GED's and the like are done on a case by case basis, so that's really barring for that swath of people.

[–]robotoverlordzReagan Conservative [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Well, first, if you don't have a high school diploma, you're not getting into college, even if you serve in the military. People join the armed forces to get MONEY for college, not basic education for college. So your whole point is a complete non sequitur while also being self-indulgent speculation.

Second, college is expensive (and keeps getting more so due to a few factors; i.e. more people going to college than really need to, as well as increasing government subsidization), so financial concerns are the more likely obstacle. Also, the most relevant to this discussion since Berniebots are asking for free college not easier college.

For instance, in my case, I already had some college education under my belt when I enlisted, but wanted the G.I. Bill to help pay for the rest.

[–]SeptemberOf76 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I'm aware how expensive college is, my wife went to law school. Look at the long picture though, say someone is born into poverty, can't go to grade school but works up on their own to get a GED, to perhaps go into the military to pay for college, only to be turned away because by their own accounts, the military doesn't like GED's. What happens then?

[–]Mob_Justice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In my personal opinion, and I feel this is impacted by our reducing our defense budget, the restrictions and strict requirements for eligibility to enlist in the military upsets me. Partially because it's why I can't join the Marines, my dream for years, but it's much bigger than just my personal opinion. You turn away many people eager to sign up, with real skills and intelligence to provide and put to use in our military, all because of restrictions. Even worse to me is that you are ineligible to enlist if you've taken ADD medication in the past few years, yet as my brother who served in the army told me, many people just lied about not having ADD or Depression and then got prescriptions for those disorders once they were in. It's a mess.

[–]crazboy84 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I was born into poverty, dropped out of high school due to bad decisions which i had no one to blame but myself. Worked in sales for about 10 years, got tired of it, decided i needed a change and studied for the comptia A+ cert, got it, then got my Cisco CCNA. Now im a network admin with a GED, no college and a couple certificates. I spent less than 1k on my entire education. If anyone would like to know more i have written a guide on my path to an IT career linked below.

https://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/3rb0p1/how_to_get_a_career_in_it_without_going_to/

Not everyone needs college. This is the problem with our society we tell these kids that they will be failures in life if they dont go to college when its not true at all. We need a bigger focus on career training in high school Whats the damn point teaching someone who is gunna end up a truck driver about mitochondria? Whats the point of spending a year in highschool doing calculus if you are going to end up being a bartender?

College is not the answer, reforming our high school cirriculum is and that must be done on a state level because there is no constitutional authority given to the federal government for education, college included. Federally paid for college is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

[–]SeptemberOf76 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's good for you, and for individuals, but that doesn't mean it works for everyone. I'm not arguing that free for all college is the answer, I'm just saying the military certainly isn't the answer either.

[–]crazboy84 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No the military is not the answer for everyone, however the government paying for everyone's college is the answer for no one. If everyone has a college degree, no one has one.

ANYONE can be ANYTHING in this great country! The only thing stopping you from doing what you want to do is you. Decide what you want to do, research it, make a plan, and execute it. It really is that simple. The tricky part is being disciplined and staying on top of it.

[–]thebearsandthebees 36ポイント37ポイント  (7子コメント)

Although I support this sentiment. Not everyone is able to join the military due to medical reasons, some as small as having asthma past a certain age.

[–]baconlr2002 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I honestly feel it should be like the book Starship Troopers. If you want to serve, they will find a job for you. As the book put it, a blind deaf guy could count hairs on a caterpillar if he wanted to serve and wear the uniform. Not everyone has to be physically perfect to serve their country..

[–]Paulbo83 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Arent their military programs for people not physically able tho? Desk jobs and the like?

[–]MRB88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Generally, no. If you are medically disqualified for service, you are barred from joining the military in any role.

[–]Reeko_Htown [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't all recruits have to go do boot camp regardless?

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The best way to serve the military while not being qualified is to apply for jobs for the agencies that fall under the DoD. They have incredible opportunities for those with disabilities (deaf, blind, mute included).

[–]propshaftRadical Redneck[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Although I support this sentiment. Not everyone is able to join the military due to medical reasons, some as small as having asthma past a certain age.

Or a bone spur

[–]brettpilkington07 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I still don't understand how he could have had these nightmare debilitating bone spurs back then when he was young when we have been assured by his personal physician that he is the most perfectly healthy specimen to ever run for president, and is basically a 69 year old Adonis.

[–]blazingscience [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

God, I can't wait until the fucking baby-boomers die off.

My generation is the entitled one? Your generation is bankrupting this country with your fucking federal Ponzi schemes and your agressive policing of the entire goddamm planet.

My generation is the one that is going to have to pay for your bullshit mismanagement of this country and the trillions of dollars in debt YOUR fucking entitlement programs and war mongering have gotten us into. Not to mention that your generation fucking refuses to try to find solutions to environmental problems that my generation will have to pay for.

Your generation is the entitled one, asshole.

[–]AnonymousisAnonn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The baby boomers are part of a one-off group that we'll likely never see again in history.

Their successes, on a large scale, will not be achievable again. Set your expectations low, and settle in for the long haul buddy. This is why we need a new paradigm shift in favor of privatizing aspects of Social Security (Thanks Cruz) and getting these age-old government programs off our backs to help us build long term wealth. It is possible.

[–]oneplusoneoverphi [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Environmental problem? Oh those don't exist.

[–]cam_monster [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

People are always more than happy to tell others to join the military!

[–]perceptionate [スコア非表示]  (25子コメント)

No. You don't have to join the military. Just don't demand free shit if you're not willing to work for it.

[–]mooktank [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Do you still think this logic applies to high school, elementary school?

[–]perceptionate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No. Grade school and secondary school teach minors. Some groups of people need categorical support—adults do not.

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes.

[–]KyloRenEatsShorts [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

it's not free shit since they pay taxes and contribute to society

[–]perceptionate [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic. Surely you realize that the amount of taxes a college kid pays is negligible to non-existent. And if they "contributed" to society, they wouldn't need the government to pay for their tuition (i.e. how the free market works).

[–]KyloRenEatsShorts [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Surely you realize they will get an education and a career and will pay taxes for the rest of their life and their work will benefit society.

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Surely you understand a kid that's been on the public school conveyor-belt for their entire life are functionally retarded. If you can't tell people borrowing tens of thousands of dollars more and more to get liberal arts degrees to complain about minimum wage in fast food are getting fucked in the ethic, fucked in the character/morals, and fucked in the head..... "FREE" college is LITERALLY the worst fucking idea in politics beside socialized medicine. Grow up

[–]KyloRenEatsShorts [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Seriously? Functionally retarded?? I'd like to see your proof in that..

[–]wiseprogressivethink [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

contribute to society

[–]AKSasquatchLibertarian Atheist [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

A concept which seems to be completely lost by liberals. I have yet to hear a socialists response to "The tax payers pay for it so it's not free." Anyone have one for me? I also have literally no freaking clue why they think 15 bucks an hour is a good thing, other than the childish reason of "moar moniez durrr." I'd have to fire people and they would have to pay more for shit, I don't get it.

[–]perceptionate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think the argument is that the minimum wage does not fit nicely into supply/demand market forces. There is likely some truth to this b/c wage for work is a necessity (and necessities can be artificially manipulated). However, the high $15 mark is clearly a political move to mobilize support. Perhaps we could try moving the minimum wage up a little—but a demand for $15 is hasty and economically irresponsible.

[–]stormbuilder [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Well...you are paying for it anyway. If minimal wage is low enough that the government needs to pay those people for food stamps, the costs for those benefits are coming out from your taxes.

[–]AKSasquatchLibertarian Atheist [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I know everyone is different, but I was able to survive on minimum wage back in the day on my own, back when it was less as well. You need to know how to live within your means. I'm willing to bet there are people who have food stamps that drink and smoke and have iPhones and Xbox Ones, internet, cable, you name it. None essentials.

[–]stormbuilder [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am sure there are people on food stamps that abuse it. But I am also sure that there are people for whom they really are essential despite their best efforts.

So I guess the question is: in setting the amount/requirements for benefits, would you rather minimize the number of people who get money and waste it, or the number of people who don't get money and starve? Call me too soft-hearted, but I'd rather err on the safe side.

Same problem exists in the judicial system: would your rather set your proof threshold to minimize the guilty people walking free, or to minimize the innocent people being condemned to prison?

[–]oneplusoneoverphi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Back in your day when minimum wage was worth more due to less inflation?

I'm willing to bet there are people who have food stamps that drink and smoke and have iPhones and Xbox Ones, internet, cable, you name it.

Way to just state your preconceptions.

The argument about minimum wage being $15/h is to move it closer to the value it used to have. Additionally, $15 is a starting point for a compromise around $10 or $11.

[–]VectorB [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When was your "back in the day"?

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

These people are by far and away minors. If you're an adult that can't make more than minimum wage, rely on family, rely on charity, or die.

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Uhhhhh how old are you? Learn

What your saying is for existing you deserve other people's money, that they busted their ass to EARN. Any fact about your character or ethic is irrelevant.

[–]KyloRenEatsShorts [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No what I'm saying is for being a part of society you are expected to contribute (work and careers, taxes, social interaction) and you can expect returns (safety, order, infrastructure). The fact is that college degrees means more people are educated which means they can put in better work and pay their taxes.

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right. Generally true. But we live in a world of complicated interactions between people where behaviors are measured in prices.

As soon as government faintly touches the prices behaviors change.

EX. College loan subsidies and loan rate fixing or setting. Colleges can charge substantially more because damn near everyone will pay. Many young people go without a real plan. Thus many drop out from lack of interest. Many make it through with an easier degree or random degree. The number of psychology and political science is TOO DAMN HIGH as evidenced by the numbers not working in their fields.

EX. "Sub-prime" mortgages practically didn't exist until fannie and Freddie got involved. Funny thing prices. It was something like 16% of the sub-prime market that was "securitized"(guaranteed payment) by Fannie or Freddie. But that much guaranteed payment made other risky loans possible because if you put one guaranteed loan in a bundle of ten... Your risk/price is bulstered.

30 year mortgages didn't exist before the Feds got involved. Even prior to the subprime substantially less people than ever owned homes in America. When you can stretch debt that far and lower rates that much behaviors change. People don't make outright ownership a goal maybe. Couple that with your the mortgage tax deduction...

[–]wew-lad_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol nice one

[–]cam_monster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you telling me? I enlisted the Marine Corps infantry in 2004 at age 21. If you join the military for college and not because you have that desire, you might have a rough ride. And get me fucking killed while you're at it. The amount of people that are actually expecting everything for free are next to nill compared to those who just can't afford it, but even so they aren't perpetuating the larger problem. We all bitch about common problems of student debt... or let's say college text books. Just because I no longer had to pay $160 for a garbage text that I'd sell back 4 months later for $12 didn't make me any less pissed off.

This is our country, and we tell our young folks to go to college or they can't get a job. We push them through a system and then hang them out to dry because of decisions they made with imperfect information. I also happened to completely pay for my own education. Like so many Americans, most of my friends had most or all of their education paid for by their parents... so they didn't really work for, did they?

To call an entire generation "entitled" because we tell them they have to start their adulthood saddled with debt.. well that's foolish. What I did isn't for everybody. Frankly I'm glad, our military is one of the few things I can feel pride for anymore and I'm glad its not gunked up with folks who feel its their only option.

[–]schermerhornConservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Also, if you work hard in high school you can earn scholarships that will pay for you to go to school. Who knew hard work pays off right!?

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My sister was cheer captain, did gymnastics, worked, made straight A's, cooked, cleaned, and organized our(my brother and I) lives in HS. These Bernie faggots are spineless cuckled bitches not worth the air they breath

[–]I-did-this-for-me [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Entitled? How are we the entitled ones? Aside from your generation fucking up our world we are responsible for rebuilding! There's a reason we want education... Free or not. It's completely unfair for you to talk like that to milenials. 20 years ago a year at a public university was about 5-10 grand. Since then it's doubled. Even tripled. We can't get jobs because of how baby boomers left out economy, we need to get loans and pay them off all our lives. Education isn't a privilege... It's a right. A right baby boomers have made costly to us. So take your judgmental comments and shove them so far up your ass you taste the shit your talking

[–]brettpilkington07 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is a stupid meme, tbh. My brother wanted nothing more than to graduate high school and join the Air Force like his two older sisters did, and just after that he got diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes, even though he was in seemingly perfect shape until his pancreas decided to stop working. No military.

And as others have said, this entitled generation is paying for everything the previous generations, especially the baby boomers, kicked down the road for someone else to worry about.

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cool story... I am sorry your brother has diabetes. But there are tons of options for people.

That's a big IF we pay for it. Deficits = bonds = stable retirement. Deficits = $$$ politicians get to dole out. Whether it's social programs or international developement we'll probably run deficits for a long time.

[–]mrmyxlplyx [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The GI Bill is not free. It's a college savings program.

The only "free", post-secondary education programs that are backed by the military are the military academies (West Point, Annapolis, USAF Academy, etc), or an ROTC program.

[–]FireIre [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It absolutely is free for the service member now. The old GI Bill required a payment of $100/mo for your first 12 months of service. The post 9/11 GI Bill does not require any sort of payment. You are 100% eligible for it after 36 months of qualified service.

[–]ToxicPlotRiot [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Post 9/11 gi bill still requires 1200$ to get. They just refund you that money if you don't use any of your MGIB

[–]TotallyNotBergdahl [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

This is exactly the kind of bullshit that is all over my Facebook coming from hacks who never served.

I'm a Millenial. I'm serving my country alongside thousands of other millenials in the Armed forces. Sick and tired of this entitled generation garbage.

[–]perceptionate [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I think you can recognize general trends with a generation without applying them to yourself, or friends and colleagues. I'm a millennial, and don't consider myself entitled—but I do recognize a disturbing trend among my generation to freeload and expect stuff to just be handed to us. This is not the same kind of criticism that every older generation lays against the newer one—but is instead emblematic of a rapidly changing economy with a generation not trained to cope with it.

To be fair, a lot of the blame for this rests upon the Boomers and other generations. I think millennials were short-changed in their K-12 education because our educators failed to recognize the necessity of STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math education) and job-focused training. We see a shift towards this focus now—but we are decades late. The result: millennials graduating from 200K liberal arts colleges with gender studies degrees bitching about how the "system is rigged" so they need free stuff now.

[–]Rac3318 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What exactly do you define as a millennial? Their age range is 15-35. I'm 25 and been hearing about how bad millenials are since I was 15. Can't say I know a single person my age who has ever felt remotely entitled to anything. It's just the same old crap put forward by older people who think they know because they are older.

[–]perceptionate [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yes: that's the age range I'm defining as millennial (I'm 23). Of course with any generality, there will be exceptions. But as a whole, our generation is far more dependent (and consequently entitled) than others. To give just one example, more millennial adults are still living with their parents than any generation before. (since the census started recording this data).

Again, this isn't to say that it's the fault of millennials. I think the issue stems from an educative system that failed to adapt to the changing economy. Since you are around my age, you probably agree that our K-12 education was taught by Boomer teachers that had no idea how important technology, science, and engineering would be for our future careers. We were not adequately prepared for the workforce, and now politicians like Bernie Sanders are capitalizing on this displacement.

Here's an interesting debate on the millennial generation from intelligence squared that I think you'd be interested in. You hear perspectives from both sides.

[–]Rac3318 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hm. Fair enough. I'll check links once I get off work.

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Good for you. Thank YOU for YOUR service and sacrifice. Generalizations emerge for a reason. Our generation on the whole is spineless, dumb, and lazy.

[–]Trenticle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm sure hazing them would be a good solution. You're the type of jackass that got bullied in high school and never recovered.

[–]Ninja_Arena [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I like to jump on the entitled millenials bandwagon often, but I think most people are asking for affordable as opposed to free. This is misquoting a sentiment that mostly doesn't exist, even if a few huffpist articles talk about the idea of free, most just want affordable

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And honestly most people understand that the subsidies and government fixed low interest rates are the cause.

But ending that problem isn't even being discussed on the campaign trail.

[–]Spayed-And-Neutered [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It will become affordable as soon as the federal government stops guaranteeing student loans.

[–]Ninja_Arena [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Maybe, or set tuition cost limits......which is more government interference. There is no reason some shitball undergrad degree should cost over 100k.

[–]Spayed-And-Neutered [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seriously, 100k? Ha. At Florida schools, it' was 4k/full year when I graduated a few years ago. Add housing and food, and that's another... 10k? That's about what I lived on, not including being on my parent's health insurance. Round up: 15k. That's cheap living. With a part time job at 20 hours a week * 18 dollars an hour (this only works for engineering or technical business) and you get about 1300/month after taxes. More than enough to pay for all living expenses. Add in scholarships and low interest loans and you're paid off 2 years into working full time. How do I know this? Because I did it.

[–]fareven [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As usual, people are misusing the label "free".

Nothing is "free". Some things, however, are "included".

[–]duktalo [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I do wish we had this option without such a long obligation. A 4 year enlistment plus another 4+ years of being called back to service.

[–]IMustBreakYou1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It really does depend on the MOS as the other poster said. I have a friend that had a 2 year active duty term as an 11B (Infantry), and 6 years inactive. Now both he and I were called back, I had the 4 and 4 myself. But I doubt they are recalling anyone at this time. I also used my GI Bill and graduated in 2014 and now have a pretty nice management job paying a decent salary. I have next to no college debt to pay off either.

[–]AssassinPanda97Choose Cruz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, you do. Go to a community college and get an associates degree. Then transfer to a 4 year state college.

[–]gerkessin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My dad was in the Army for 4 years in the late 70's. He said he went through boot camp and then proceeded to paint stuff green for the remainder of his time. He got out, earned a 2 year degree that probably cost the U.S Govt. a whopping $3000, and then got a high paying job from which he retired after 30 years.

I know this sounds like one of those memes, but as i type this i realize how different post-Vietnam boomers had it.

[–]poseidonofteaAustrian Economics & Liberty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Depends on your MOS. Some, like nuclear engineer, start at around 6 years. I also don't think the extra call back period is significant right now since they are generally cutting down on service members.

[–]wew-lad_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I guess scholarships are also an option if you have half a brain...

[–]wowy-lied [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

As a foreigner who don't know much about the US military, while in the army can troops still follow some class/teaching in order to prepare themselves for after the service ?

[–]DBHT14 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Besides just ay applicable job training? Yes.

Depending on the branch/base/job there are opportunities to get a degree either online or part time while in the service from universities, though some are really sketchy and not well regarded it is all about doing your homework before picking a program, and the GI Bill when out.

[–]MRB88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes - loads of training. The military is huge on education.

During service, the military offers free test prep and standardized testing to get into college (or grad school for those who join with a degree), they offer free CLEP programs to let people test out of lower level college coursework, tuition reimbursement for college classes taken while in service, college credit for the entry training for some jobs (Intelligence, language, electronics, medical, etc) that translate to the civilian sector, and even a community college degree if you're in the Air Force. Most states offer free tuition at a state school for people in the National Guard (its a reserve force so not full time soldiers...mostly) and requires the schools to work around the military as much as feasible. Taking college classes and earning college credit helps with promotion points and looks good on the performance evaluations. People in their last year of service can actually be released early with an honorable discharge to attend college full time.

For those who aren't enlisted but go directly to college, the military offers the ROTC program that will pay for school totally if the person is willing to serve 4-5 years as an officer upon graduation (and successfully completes the course to earn a commission.)

After service, the U.S. government provides the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill to people who have completed a period of service. This covers books, tuition, and a sizable stipend while in college or technical training.

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fuck Yes!

Shout out to my cousin in the Merchant Marine Academy for engineering. She doesn't even have to join the military. She can pay with the coast guard or staffing US trade vessels

[–]Lepew1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think Bob Roberts sang it best

Some people must have. Some people have not. But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.

Some people will work. Some simply will not. But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.

Like this: It's society's fault I don't have a job. It's society's fault I am a slob. I have potential no one can see. Give me welfare. Let me be me!

Hey, Bud, you're livin' in the Land of the Free. No one's gonna hand you opportunity!

Some people must have. Some never will. But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.

I don't have a house. I don't have a car. I spend all my money getting' drunk in a bar. I wanna be rich. I don't have a brain. Just give me a handout while I complain.

Or this: I wanna stay in bed and watch TV. Go out weekends in a limousine And dance all night takin' lots of drugs And wake up when I wanna.

Hey, Bud, you're livin' in the Land of the Free. No one's gonna hand you opportunity!

Some people will learn. Some never do. But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain. Yeah, they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain.

[–]FloridaRoadkill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I really hate blaming gen Y for everything. Not all of us are like this. Surprisingly, there were baby boomers that had this mentality too!

[–]wiseprogressivethink [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So true.

[–]icecubenscc [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

And when everyone joins to get free college, there will then be a disproportionate amount who don't care about the military just for the schooling. Not only that, but using the military purely for schooling is just wrong.

[–]legalizehazing [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Not at all. The military is making the offer. If it was problematic they'd change it. Shit every young vet I know used it, save a two or three.

[–]icecubenscc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I understand that completely and I think it's a fantastic program. I just hate it when I see or hear that someone is joining the military strictly for the GI Bill, reluctantly serving to finish their contract, and getting out of there.

[–]scandiumflightFree Trade FTW [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is such a bad argument in so many ways. There are loads of people who can't join the military, and the military should not be the US college program. Calling us the "entitled generation" pretends that the majority of US casualties from Iraq and Afghanistan aren't from that same generation. I participated personally in the surge in Iraq, so screw this meme and the bullshit attacks on my age group.

Baby boomers pumped up the cost of education while simultaneously not paying to send their kids to school. They just pushed to allow kids to take on debt, further divorcing themselves from responsibility. I hope my generation will fix this bullshit they put in place. Fuck them for blaming us.