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[–]RefreshRetry 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 2時間前* (42子コメント)
The gender disparity in tech is shamefully imbalanced across the age spectrum.
Yes, O M G!!! And what's up with the NURSES AMIRIGHT?!? ALL WOMEN!
How does a person like this writer, who is normally fairly intelligent I'm sure, turn into a complete retard when it comes to the topic of gender?
[–]benihana 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
There’s no way to sugarcoat it. Lots more men are writing code than women.
Not even necessarily true (but probably true). Lots more men responded to Stack Overflow's survey. Don't confuse this survey with "the real programming landscape."
They lead with this bombastic statement, then in the next paragraph backpedal a bit. Seems kind of baity to me.
[–]nakilon 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
My gf isn't a programmer. I wonder who is that cruel man who dissalowed her to become one?
[+]marvin_minsky スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 2時間前 (35子コメント)
Because there's this ludicrous belief that males and females are biologically the same and that there can't possibly be occupations that females prefer over males and vice-versa.
[–]James20k 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 2時間前 (23子コメント)
Yeah! That's why programming started off 40% women, and has steadily declined to 20% in 2013, with women reporting constant harassment and discrimination in the workforce.
Seriously, just google women in computing/sciences to find out why women aren't working there, it has nothing to do with biological sex differences
There's also inherent unconscious sexism - humans tend to rate women as being much more incompetent (something like 20%) compared to an equivalent man
[–]bureX 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
I need a source for this. Genuinely interested, no BS.
[+]daedallus2 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 22分前 (0子コメント)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A
This isn't the information you had requested, but I believe this video exemplifies the indecency of male programmers well. They set aside their female peer's comfort for self-pleasure, thereby fulfilling the role Western society has assigned them. They belittle, shame, grope, and inappropriately flirt with their colleagues and then, when the victimized women retaliate, they do as you have done: deny the blatant issue's existence.
[–]olzd 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 1時間前 (6子コメント)
You can't make this kind of claim without a source.
Also, I think the reason there's fewer women in tech is mostly due to social pressure (can't find a better term) and education.
[–]shady_mcgee 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
There's an anecdote right in front of your eyes. /u/marvin_minsky makes the assumption that men and women are just different as the reason why there are less women in the tech field, yet no one calls him out asking for sources on his hypothesis. You yourself feel that the reason is due to social pressure or education, but I doubt you can find sources stating the reasons behind those beliefs.
But hey, you asked for sources so I found some for you:
Here's a study from Harvard:
Forty-one percent of highly qualified scientists, engineers, and technologists on the lower rungs of corporate career ladders are female. But more than half (52%) drop out... It found 5 powerful "antigens" in corporate cultures. Women in SET are marginalized by hostile macho cultures. Being the sole woman on a team or at a site can create isolation. Many women report mysterious career paths: fully 40% feel stalled. Systems of risk and reward in SET cultures can disadvantage women, who tend to be risk averse. Finally, SET jobs include extreme work pressures: they are unusually time intensive.
Here's one from Yale:
The experiment was straightforward. The researchers sent 127 science professors around the country, both male and female, the exact same application materials from a made-up undergraduate student applying for a lab manager position. For 63 of the applications, though, they wrote that the student was male, named John; for the other 64, they wrote that the student was female, named Jennifer. Every other element of the application—the resume, GPA, references and other materials—was identical. The 127 professors were each asked to evaluate the theoretical applicant. The results are startling: Both male and female professors consistently regarded the female student applicant as less competent and less hireable than the otherwise identical male student. On a scale of 1 to 5, the average competency rating for the male applicant was 4.05, as compared to 3.33 for the female applicant. The average salary offered to the female was $26,507.94, while the male was offered $30,238.10.
[–]RefreshRetry 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前* (0子コメント)
/u/marvin_minsky makes the assumption that men and women are just different as the reason why there are less women in the tech field, yet no one calls him out asking for sources on his hypothesis.
Looks like he doesn't need to do that as you've just done that for him:
Systems of risk and reward in SET cultures can disadvantage women, who tend to be risk averse. Finally, SET jobs include extreme work pressures: they are unusually time intensive.
That by the way is genetics talking. Women are not less risk averse due to culture but due to genetics, and that's a guess I'm comfortable making.
[–]marvin_minsky -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
makes the assumption that men and women are just different
It's not an assumption. It's a fact based on common sense, but in today's world we can't even posit basic facts without having 3 peer-reviewed sources saying that women and men have different chemistry, brains, genitals, and bones.
[–]diamondjim -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 35分前 (0子コメント)
Are you sure about the genitals thing? Sounds like a very dicey statement. Gonna need your sources to back you up on that. With pictures, preferably.
[–]AllGoneMH 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3分前 (0子コメント)
The Yale study is too different in context to be relevant to a discussion about the tech industry. It's an academic lab position, to be hired by profs who I assume are mostly over 50 and therefore very likely to be at least a bit sexist, and who the universities can't get rid of because they have tenure.
[–]Smarag 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Also, I think the reason there's fewer women in tech is mostly due to social pressure (can't find a better term)
Luckily we have a term for that it's called sexist gender roles.
[–]marvin_minsky 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Are you sure "programming" in the 70s in the same as it was in the 90s, 2000s, and now?
[–]orr94 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
C, Smalltalk, LISP, Fortran, and COBOL were all in use in the 70s, and are still used to varying degrees today. What exactly do you think was so dramatically different about "programming" in the 70s that it requires quotation marks?
[–]marvin_minsky 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
You bring up good points but are completely dismissive of the fact that the "programming" field 40 years ago is completely different than it is now.
The languages you listed were mostly in academia at the time (exception COBOL/FORTRAN) and programming was mostly considered a data-entry job through punch cards while someone else actually designed the programs.
[–]RefreshRetry -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (9子コメント)
just google women in computing/sciences to find out why women aren't working there
Oh please, you tell us. You've brought up some vague points about harassment and unconscious sexism, but you haven't even told us that these are the reasons for the gender imbalance in tech. So please, be assertive and just tell us exactly what's going on.
I mean what is it? Do women start off with a burning passion for all things computers but when they get to college they are recommended by the Women's Protectors Council to not choose programming because programming around males is an inherently hostile activity, and this recommendation single-handedly drops the percentage of women in tech from 50% down to 5%?
[+]Smarag スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 1時間前* (8子コメント)
it's not our job to educate sexist basement nerds. It's fucking 2016 not the victorian era. Pick up a book or google. "I don't know" has never been an easier problem to solve. Seriously if you think woman are MENTALLY incapable of doing programming tasks as good as men you have some deep self reflecting to do.
[–]marvin_minsky 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
Seriously if you think woman are MENTALLY
This level of strawman isn't needed in this discussion. No one said this, just that women and men are -- by common sense -- biologically different.
[–]Smarag -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
wait what how is that a relevant fact if they aren't referring to how they are biologically incapable of performing the same mental work necessary? Or are you telling me a higher testosterone level is needed for programming work?
[–]marvin_minsky 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Why can't women and men have different preferences without it being a bad thing? I never said women are mentally deficient, you did.
[–]RefreshRetry 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1時間前 (4子コメント)
It's fucking 2016 not the victorian era.
Let me guess, are you following some government designed rhetoric meant to increase the competitiveness of your country by potentially being able to double the number of people in STEM, done through shaming companies and involving them in projects meant to hire more women, and any person or company that's more inclined to follow the good old meritocracy model of hiring competent people no matter their sex or gender is called sexist, while companies that are explicitly sexist on purpose by hiring women worse than other male candidates solely because they are women, are celebrated instead of sanctioned. And let me guess, you have bought into this whole thing without even seeing what it is or what the actual purpose is behind it? And now you've called people sexist for refusing to be sexist.
Funny how the people aiming to be the least sexist or least racist tend to become the most sexist or racist. Well, it's not really funny at all to be honest.
[+]Smarag スコアが基準値未満のコメント-15ポイント-14ポイント-13ポイント 1時間前 (3子コメント)
Son you can't be sexist against the dominating gender nice wall of uneducated text. As I said pick up a book or google it yourself. Not my job to educate you.
[–]RefreshRetry 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Son you can't be sexist against the dominating gender
[–]ffs_5555 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 11分前 (1子コメント)
If you seriously believe that there is no hope for you. I'm ashamed to be on the same side as you.
[–]Smarag 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5分前 (0子コメント)
blahblah I used to say the same thing when I was 14, you will come around.
[–]spiral-staircase 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 13分前 (0子コメント)
Women weren't writing in those languages, when people refer to women making up the majority of "programmers" it was in the punch card era.
[–]yentity 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (2子コメント)
While that may be true (for certain physical tasks), what you are implying here is that programming has a biological basis which is ridiculous.
[–]marvin_minsky 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (1子コメント)
What I implied is that maybe women have a preference for not programming. Why is that assertion such a dramatic leap these days?
[–]yentity -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 46分前 (0子コメント)
You said the cause was biological, almost no one agrees with that assertion.
[–]daboblin 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間前 (7子コメント)
What a pile of sexist bullshit. Biology has nothing to do with it.
[–]marvin_minsky 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (6子コメント)
why not? how is recognizing gender differences "bad"?
[–]daboblin 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 58分前 (5子コメント)
Gender differences have nothing to do with it.
Surely you're not suggesting that women are "naturally" averse to computer programming? What a load of shit.
Software development is an intellectual pursuit, which women are just as good as men at.
Cultural and societal pressures affect the interest of women in the tech industry. The overt and covert misogyny of many men working in the industry plays a big part, too.
[–]marvin_minsky -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 57分前 (2子コメント)
Can you explain why not?
[–]Cracky7 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 42分前 (1子コメント)
He did.
[–]marvin_minsky 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 24分前 (0子コメント)
He answered a different question. I'll rephrase, "Why do gender differences have nothing to do with preferences?"
[–]AllGoneMH 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12分前 (0子コメント)
Women being risk-averse IMO is the only major 🔑 factor.
There are plenty of good companies out there looking specifically for female or otherwise under represented groups. Probably enough to minimize the gap.
So the problem seems to be just that misogynists won't hire females. But would they really want to work for a misogynist? They think they do because people see the STEM fields as a "better" occupation. But what does a good occupation really mean to you? If I ever found out my boss was a misogynist I would quit on the day anyways.
Im sure men working in the nursing industry also faces sexist biases against them, but people dont talk about that like it's an issue on the same level, because that apparently isnt as glam of an occupation programming is under a socially inept nerd hierarchy.
[–]paralel_Suns 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 27分前 (0子コメント)
The overt and covert misogyny of many men working in the industry plays a big part, too.
I think certain comments in this thread demonstrate this point quite well.
[–]rootfiend 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 15分前 (0子コメント)
maybe women on average just aren't interested in programming
[–]bucknuggets -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 21分前 (0子コメント)
Who summoned the really insecure guys?
[–]baconOclock -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Nerds trying to fit in with leftist ideologues degenerates.
[+]takaci スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
turn into a complete retard
People have different opinions to you are "complete retard"s?
Also nice ableist language...
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