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Herrera will be Mourinho's Oscar (self.reddevils)

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I think Herrera is just as good (if not better than Oscar). He has a massive work rate, is technically skilled, can score goals, and is defensively very good.

At Chelsea Mourinho picked Oscar as his #10 ahead of Mata because of Oscar's work rate, defensive abilities, and of course his offensive abilities. There is no doubt in my mind that if Mourinho doesn't buy a new #10 our #10 next season will be either Herrera or Rooney. He was a #10 in his last season for Bilbao with great success. And I think he deserves a run of games to show us his qualities at that position.

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[–]ReflectingGodMata 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Herrera is just as good (if not better than Oscar). He has a massive work rate, is technically skilled, can score goals, and is defensively very good.

I think we're overrating Herrera here a bit. He has a good workrate but is very rash with his challenges, far from defensively solid and isn't all that technical. When he has played as a number 10 this season, he hasn't stood out, been relatively poor in many matches.

I love Herrera and hope we hold onto him, he is a great squad option but I doubt Mourinho will start him as an attacking midfielder. Oscar is the much better when he is on form however, like Herrera, he fails to make a mark on most matches which is exactly why Mou wanted to upgrade on him last summer (wanted Isco) and also dropped him a couple times this season moving Fabregas forward in his place.

Oscar was the most replaceable player in that Chelsea side that won the title.

[–]goodguy1994it's Rooneyyy, it's inevitable. some things are meant to be 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

Na. I think he can be Mourinho's lampard.

[–]Kiddcohen39Ander Herrera 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

Aside from him being no where near Lampard's level as well as completely different players.

[–]goodguy1994it's Rooneyyy, it's inevitable. some things are meant to be 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Omg Cohen let me be happy for a bit. Tired of your shit Cohen.

[–]Kiddcohen39Ander Herrera 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fair play. He's better than Lampard ever was.

[–]goodguy1994it's Rooneyyy, it's inevitable. some things are meant to be 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

See that's pushing it. You could say Lampard at his peak was better than Herrera when he was 21.

[–]MrCadwalladerScholes scored goals 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I actually kind of agree with /u/goodguy1994

Yes, Lampard and Herrera are different players and I don't expect Herrera to ever score that number of goals but I can see Mourinho utilizing them in a vaguely similar sort of way. Herrera could be the central midfielder who has licence to get forward and contribute to the attack.

To me Herrera is clearly better playing as a central midfielder than as a 10 or deep lying midfielder in a double pivot. Personally, I feel that our best formation would be to play three in midfield with one defensive midfielder, a midfield controller who can contribute to all phases of play and a player who can support the attacking players.

                       Schneiderlin

           Schweinsteiger          Herrera

This is a midfield that, given the time to blend, would have an excellent combination of ability, experience, creativity, passing and aggression. I really think this is a potentially dominant premier league midfield and could form the core of a very formidable side.

Compare it to the Chelsea midfield that we faced in the 2007/8 Champions League final. Yes Avram Grant was the manager but this was still very much Mourinho's team.

                         Makelele

                Ballack             Lampard

Makelele the destroyer, Ballack the (German!) ball playing box to box midfielder and Lampard with the freedom to get forward an in the opposition box.

So yeah, to cut a long story short, Herrera could be Mourinho's new Lampard.

[–]goodguy1994it's Rooneyyy, it's inevitable. some things are meant to be 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

No I'm pretty sure if Mourinho comes he'll sign sanches or Gomez and will use Schweinsteiger for rotation.

[–]MrCadwalladerScholes scored goals 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

From the little I've seen of Renato Sanches, I don't think he's ready to start for United. I know nothing about Gomez, so I'll keep quiet there.

[–]Kiddcohen39Ander Herrera 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Interesting write up but I disagree with a few points. Firstly, Herrera simply doesn't have the passing range of Lampard and is prone to completely rash challenges which is dangerous to have in a CM although that's not fatal. I also believe he's at his best, especially recently, when played in front of two strong holding midfielders. Also, in reference to your hopes of a dominant midfield with those three, I'm sorry but it's not going to happen. Look again at Chelsea's '08 side. Player for player their trio would blow this one out of the water. Schweinsteger is too old to form a trio considering he won't be around much longer, won't have time to gel and create true chemistry, and simply isn't the player he once was. Schneiderlin, while he has shown flashes of decent passing range and is probably the most likely to be in a dominant midfield at this time, doesn't have what it takes yet to truly control all aspects of the pitch and as I've stated Schwein has also lost a step that would've made up for this lack of attacking prowess. Lastly, while he's probably my favorite player atm and I love his passion, Herrera simply isn't good enough to be in a dominant midfield three that's expected to challenge domestically and especially in Europe. Although I suppose we shouldn't expect that type of performance atm from anyone anyways so that's a mute point.

[–]MrCadwalladerScholes scored goals 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Herrera simply doesn't have the passing range of Lampard and is prone to completely rash challenges

True but that doesn't stop him from being a very good PL midfielder. I think his biggest issue is his inconsistency but I also think that with a different manager and a good run of games he could be a very dangerous tool for us. I think he has impressive stamina and work rate, a great first touch, excellent vision and good passing but his concentration and consistency are lacking.

Herrera simply isn't good enough to be in a dominant midfield three that's expected to challenge domestically and especially in Europe.

I probably agree that Hererra isn't good enough for a team to dominate Europe but I absolutely feel that he's good enough for a team that challenges for the PL title. In a complementary system, with more consistent team selection and the right players around them I really believe people would be surprised by how good Schmidfield + Herrera could be.

Look again at Chelsea's '08 side. Player for player their trio would blow this one out of the water.

No doubt but that Chelsea midfield was probably the best in the world until Barcelona changed football forever. I think there are similarities system wise but the Chelsea midfield of 08 was far ahead quality wise. Still I don't think that discounts their potential ability to be formidable in the PL - see Drinkwater-Kante; Dier-Dembele-Delle Ali; Old Yaya-Fernandinho-Silva; Ozil-Cazorla/Ramsey-Coquelin; Lucas-Henderson-Coutinho; Matic-Fabregas-Oscar.

If, and it's a big if, the midfield three of Schneiderlin-Schweinsteiger-Herrera gels and is on form and don't see why it can't compete against and even outplay any of the midfields mentioned above. Then again, all of this is purely hypothetical so we just have to wait and see and what happens :D

Also, it's becoming increasingly rare on here for someone to turn a disagreement into a good discussion. Refreshing. Thank you /u/Kiddcohen39.

[–]will1119 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I see us buying James to play that role, him struggling in the PL at first and then finding success.

[–]knoxisbackMemphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see us buying James

probably not

[–]shihvvbSchneiderlin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

tell me more about our future

[–]wakey87433Mata -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Herrera will be out of the door quickly if Jose comes in IMHO. He hates wasteful players who make mistakes and can be rash and that describes Herrera perfectly. Mourinho demands that players are efficient in their play and is happy his team having low possession as long as they defend as a team and in a dicplained way and when on the ball they are efficient with it. When players start to be inefficient with it as the likes of Matic and Hazard have been this season for Chelsea he starts to have issues with them

[–]DANNYWELBECK12345De Gea -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Herrera isn't close to Oscar are you ok.