全 38 件のコメント

[–]swifty12345 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

this is pathetic.

he said he is getting the nomination and defeating Hillary. and will be president in 2017.

he is defying the will of the people if he gets the nomination. he is very undemocratic. to stay in the race after you have been mathematically eliminated is narcissist and selfish.

[–]Tarlkash [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'd normally be someone who'd vote for Kasich, but this brokered convention nonsense is just childish, undemocratic, and utterly self-destructive. He literally has no path forward.

[–]swifty12345 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

i mean if the people vote Hillary in I would accept that more, then if kasich somehow gets the nomination with the least amount of votes.

after all more people voted for Hillary then kasich

[–]Capcojo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't worry about it. Trump will get there with little issue. Kasich will be his VP.

[–]TheOutdoorsGuy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

First question from the moderators at the next debate:
"John Kasich this next question is for you. You have now been mathematically eliminated from contention for the Republican Nomination, and are being dwarfed in polls, what are you doing here?"

[–]TurlessTiger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"In fact, get off the stage, you're wasting everyone's time."

[–]getbrettweir [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He's polled at the bottom since the very beginning. He was consistently at 2-3% for like 6 months. Now he's at the bottom of a field of 3, instead of 17.

And for the last month, this asshole played the role of spoiler against rubio and Cruz. Ted would be looking pretty pretty good right now if this idiot had stepped aside.

Congratulations, u won ohio, what's your next win?

I don't have the link, but there was a story in the NYT about 3-4 weeks ago reporting on very high level establishment meetings where this prick was being pressured into getting out and he refused to. He wouldn't get out for rubio, unfortunately he won't get out for cruz.

I would estimate there have been about 5 or 6 close calls that went to trump that would have gone to cruz or rubio had it not been for this prick and Carson.

I'm sure if Scott walker had stayed in, he could have won WI, but he had class and intelligence and knew when to get out. Not this prick.

And don't kid yourselves, the aw shucks and by gosh is a fucking act. This guy is a delusional selfish prick.

[–]poseidonofteaAustrian Economics & Liberty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And don't kid yourselves, the aw shucks and by gosh is a fucking act. This guy is a delusional selfish prick.

Welcome to PoliticiansMatch.com. John, I would like you to meet Donald.

[–]swifty12345 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

they should invite him to next debate and seriously ignore him. not ask him a single question. and trump and Cruz shouldn't mention him

[–]Adeelinatoridk why i'm here [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Isn't that how most debates are already? I didn't know he even existed until a few weeks ago

[–]AssassinPanda97Choose Cruz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So why hasn't the douche dropped out yet?

[–]poseidonofteaAustrian Economics & Liberty [スコア非表示]  (26子コメント)

It's worse than pathetic. It's worse than being delusional. It's worse than holding out for a brokered convention.

At this point, Kasich is the only thing between Cruz and the nomination. Cruz is the only thing between the Republican party and a guaranteed loss to Hillary. Kasich is likely a shill for Trump, like Carson and Christie who are admittedly not even that happy with their decisions, and he is ultimately the reason that conservativism will be defeated and possibly then get killed by its own party.

Kasich is bringing on the death of conservativism.

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Kasich is for amnesty and some 22 years ago, voted for/helped pass the Clinton AWB.

I bet that if I kept digging I'd find even more examples of Kasich not being a friend to liberty or the American people.

[–]poseidonofteaAustrian Economics & Liberty [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I keep asking myself, "why is he even in the Republican party?" Like Trump, he has no conservative values whatsoever.

[–]Tarlkash [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Not baiting here, but I am honestly curious: Why do you believe Trump and Kasich both have absolutely no conservative values? I looked at the platform for all three candidates and while I agree that Cruz is the most conservative of the three (and the most consistent at that), I also feel like there are entirely legitimate reasons to vote for the others. Just going by your tag (and correct me if I'm wrong) I'd be willing to guess that the principle of limited government and a more libertarian approach is close to the top of what you look for in a candidate. Do you think that people who don't believe in that principle as strongly be ejected from the party?

[–]poseidonofteaAustrian Economics & Liberty [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What do you think defines conservativism? There's progressivism and there's conservativism. One wants more government and the other wants less. The left wing, right wing, Republican, and Democrat parties are fabricated. Both parties could slant progressive (to varying degrees) and both could slant conservative. Political parties basically care about winning elections, and if you knew the Democratic party's history, you'd know their social engineering going back to the 1800s, a time in which they founded and led the Klu Klux Klan, they have always been about social control. They've also always been against freedom, going back to the 1800s when they despised the North for its industrious capitalism. The South was practically Marxist back then. Fast forward, the Democrats now use different methods, and they have caught up the more conservative party in it entirely.

Yes, you saw my tags, but I am not preaching moral values with them. I first got interested in politics when I learned about the absurdities in economics. (My background is in physics, computer science, and various fields of math; I read up on economics and game theory, learned about the current state of things, and was floored). Ignoring every single value that you may perhaps believe is a pet issue for someone or a moral right to someone else, look at this very, very simply: the government manipulates banking, the stock markets, education, housing, healthcare, drives business and jobs down with taxes and labor policies, and pays 50% of its budget to welfare recipients, enabling mass cultures of perpetual ineptitude.

Look, I just mentioned "the establishment" and secret society bankers, "wall street greed" (greed is irrelevant, by the way), "think of the children!", "banker greed of '08", "Obamacare", "everyone in the world has free healthcare but us!", "corporate America sucks!", "Occupy Wall Street", "minimum wage sucks", "public unions suck tax payers dry" (truth, see Wisconsin and what Scott Walker has fixed), and "but mah skin color means I can't make money", among others I could have mentioned.

You see, it is accurate to call for limited government, but it's disingenuous to think it is due to a hatred for "other people" or "the government", like my liberal friend is convinced my argument is about.

People think the world is about ideas. Like "if everyone just thought my way, everything would be great". That goes for Democrats that know the government is corrupt but just hope more money and a bigger government will somehow solve that problem. (I've seen the delusion). That also goes for Trump supporters, who believe that if everyone was just politically incorrect, then everyone would return to logical discourse and all of the left wing will be won over.

The world is simply about power. And money, which is a form of power. When the power changes, so will the beliefs of the people. Thus, "the economy", in other words the summation of what every person does during their public life (during the hours they are not at home, sleeping, watching TV, or fucking), is everything.

Let's go back to your question. Why is Kasich not a conservative? Does he want to reduce government's involvement in any part of the economy? No. That's all that matters. Let's see how long any part of the Bill of Rights lasts when the economic path we are on continues. There will be riots in the streets. Then the cops will come for our guns, and they will say we can't talk bad about the government. Why? Because we will all need the government to survive by that point. Stopping its activities will be deemed "too big to fail".

The reason you probably never realized this is because we've been a frog sitting in water, as it slowly goes from cool to boiling. Every policy that was insane 150 years ago was passed 100 years ago. Every policy that was insane 100 years ago was passed 70 years ago. Every policy that was insane 50 years ago was passed 30 years ago. Every policy that was insane 15 years ago was passed in this past in this past presidential term. (Again, going back to Trump and Kasich, not a single Republican in their right mind would have claimed nationalized healthcare is even close to acceptable just 15 years ago!!!) No one knows history anymore. We had the biggest dictator of US history, Franklin D. Roosevelt, about 85 years ago, and no one even remembers it. Everyone thinks he was a bastion for presidential greatness. It's been about 100 years coming, starting with Woodrow Wilson and the Federal Reserve. We will not see another 100 years at this rate.

[–]Tarlkash [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It kind of preached, but nevertheless thank you for taking the time to write all that out. You made a decent argument and brought up quite a few respectable points that I definitely can appreciate the value of:

We had the biggest dictator of US history, Franklin D. Roosevelt, about 85 years ago, and no one even remembers it.

Like that. That is completely true. He broke the tradition of the two-term presidency, went above and beyond on executive orders, and established the Ponzi Scheme that is Social Security. While there were definitely reasons why Social Security was established, the scheme was nevertheless completely unsustainable. So I definitely agree with you on FDR grossly exaggerating the power of the presidency.

Does he want to reduce government's involvement in any part of the economy? No. That's all that matters.

Regarding the issue of the governmental interventionism into the economy, however, you mentioned both Trump and Kasich as wishing for nationalized healthcare. Trump's platform indicates he wants to remove governmental laws restricting healthcare access across state lines and further remove entry barriers to the free market for drug providers (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform). I'll readily admit that there are points in there that may taint that somewhat (ie, block grant medicaid?), but even so the platform is, generally, arguing for less rather than more governmental intervention. Cruz's own platform appears to mirror this, albeit with less detail on the healthcare specifics and more focused on repeal + waste, fraud, and abuse [Again, please correct me if I'm wrong here]. If I am looking at healthcare, how would Trump be substantively different than Cruz in this regard? How do you believe either would compare to Hillary?

[–]_abendrot_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's easy, you can't build a wall-building voter coalition out of democrats.

[–]mtw_ [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Anyone with an actual record long enough to befit becoming President of the United States will have something in there you disagree with.

For example, you don't like that he voted for the AWB. Now, Kasich has an A rating from the NRA. He's good on gun rights. But because of that vote, he fails the purity test. Do you want the federal government shrank? Because he's the only one who's actually done it. I say this as a former Paul supporter. There's no perfect candidate in this race.

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

I say this as a former Paul supporter. There's no perfect candidate in this race.

How you can go from supporting Rand to Kasich is beyond me.

Most Paul supporters chose Cruz; Rand is pretty junior compared to Kasich, did that bother you?

Do you want the federal government shrank? Because he's the only one who's actually done it.

He also helped expand it, so you'd have to selectively pick which things you like and don't like in order to make that image of Kasich.

[–]mtw_ [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

How you can go from supporting Rand to Kasich is beyond me. Most Paul supporters chose Cruz; Rand is pretty junior compared to Kasich, did that bother you?

Ron, not Rand. Looking back at it now, I don't think I'd be a Paul supporter because although he carries a message, he hasn't shown the ability to actually get things done. I'm no longer going for someone who's words most closely mirror my own ideology.

He also helped expand it, so you'd have to selectively pick which things you like and don't like in order to make that image of Kasich.

You're not wrong on the first part, but I don't think you need to selectively pick. You can just look at everything and have a reasonable sense of proportion. Overall, federal spending would have been alot higher if not for Kasich.

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ron, not Rand.

Ron hasn't run since 2012 and has essentially retired from politics, this makes even less sense than being a Rand supporter.

You do realize when I'm talking about supporting someone, it's as a candidate for president, and not on a purely ideological basis, right?

[–]mtw_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ron hasn't run since 2012 and has essentially retired from politics, this makes even less sense than being a Rand supporter.

...I'm aware he didn't run this year. I'm not sure what's confusing about this.

You do realize when I'm talking about supporting someone, it's as a candidate for president, and not on a purely ideological basis, right?

Correct. I thought that was clear from my post.

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...I'm aware he didn't run this year. I'm not sure what's confusing about this.

Because mentioning you are a (Ron) Paul supporter is a little confusing since Rand was running in this race and dropped out. One would assume you were talking about the Paul that was running since it's more relevant to this race.

[–]_abendrot_ [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Maybe he is an honesty issue voter,

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/17/poll-hillary-clinton-least-honest-and-trustworthy-of-all-presidential-candidates/

Rand wasn't polled, but I assume he would come close to Sanders numbers since he's more of a libertarian ideologue. Some people, including me, find the content of a presidents character almost as important as their policy. The president doesn't single handily dictate legislation. I would rather have an honest man/women that an dishonest one that appeared to agree with me.

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't see how character and policy are unrelated.

The president doesn't single handily dictate legislation.

Of course, but then again none of the people we're considering to vote for in either the primaries or the general have been President before, so that's sort of a moot point.

[–]_abendrot_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're right they're not at all unrelated, but some people care more about character than policy. I think a good case can be made for that, especially since the Congress often swings to the party opposite of the president.

http://wiredpen.com/resources/political-commentary-and-analysis/a-visual-guide-balance-of-power-congress-presidency/

If our government is working correctly there should be compromise anyway. To me the president should be more of a leader than a legislator, and for that I think character is more important. The only thing that might sway me is the fact that so many SCOTUS positions are going to be up for nomination. But I would hope they would be bi-partisan no matter the outcome of this election, they should represent our country ideologically and this country is about 40% dem and 40% rep.

[–]TurlessTiger [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

This primary season is showing Kasich to have a lousy character, since he literally has no fair way to win the nomination.

[–]_abendrot_ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm not really a Kasich supporter, I'm not even a conservative in the traditional sense. I'm not sure what Kasich is doing, its seeming like he had to win Ohio to stop trump from getting to 1237 outright. Perhaps that's what convinced him to continue his campaign.

edit: I will agree that to some degree I do thinks its unfair, but the republican establishment and many users on this site seem fine with gaming the system to stop Trump. Do the ends justify the means.... that's a debate that I'm sure will never end.

[–]TurlessTiger [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't want to game anything. I think Cruz can beat Trump outright.

[–]_abendrot_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I never meant to imply you might be in favor of the gaming or were dishonest, my apologies if it seemed that way.

My personal odds are a 45/25/30 split between Trump, Cruz, and an insane convention, in that order. I have my doubts that either is very electable since so may republicans will feel disenfranchised either way, so I don't really care too much who's chosen.

[–]14366599109263810408 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Haha oh wow, you actually think Cruz has a chance of winning the general. He's even more unelectable than Trump. Cruz's brand of dominionism is a complete turn-off for more than half the country.

[–]poseidonofteaAustrian Economics & Liberty [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Wrong. Cruz beats Hillary in a head to head, and Trump loses to Hillary in a head to head. See the polls. It's not even close.

[–]14366599109263810408 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

GE polls are relevant 240 days out? Interesting...

[–]poseidonofteaAustrian Economics & Liberty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

In the last poll, Clinton beat Trump by 13%. Cruz lost by 2%, but he's won every other matchup poll.

It's clear that more people will vote for Cruz in a general election. You also saw today in exit polls that nearly 50% of REPUBLICANS wouldn't vote for Trump if it was him vs Hillary.