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[–]SmokeyBare [スコア非表示]  (156子コメント)

The Amalgamated Transit Union, for those wondering.

"The sincerity of Bernie Sanders and his long standing fidelity to the issues that are so important to working people are what convinced us that standing with Bernie is standing with the 99% of America that has been left out of the mainstream public debate, cheated out of our jobs and denied the true meaning of the American dream,” Larry Hanley, the union's president, said in a statement.

[–]MoobyTheGoldenCalf[S] [スコア非表示]  (155子コメント)

190K members

[–]Ralph1962 [スコア非表示]  (154子コメント)

How many of them were forced to join and how many chose to? Unless they're all from Right-To-Work states, that number doesn't mean anything aside from showing yet another reason we need national Right-To-Work legislation.

[–]zombiesingularity [スコア非表示]  (113子コメント)

Lol, "right to work" is really "right to fire without cause", you are supporting garbage anti-worker legislation.

[–]brickfixer [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

"Right to work for less."

Collective bargaining is one of the big tenants of labor unions, which keeps the fair market wage guaranteed for workers, instead of accepting undercut bids from whoever gets away with paying workers the least.

Right to work is in the same ballpark as NAFTA and TPP, encouraging a race to the bottom on the state level among the working class.

[–]sanemaniac [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Tenets*

You are 100% right. Kind of like children should have the right to choose to work for whatever wage they and their employer "negotiate!" It's a violation of freedom dammit!

/s

[–]johnbrowncominforya [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Are you trying to argue against child labor laws?

[–]sanemaniac [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, I was trying to put that ridiculous libertarian logic on display, but I failed. See:

https://mises.org/library/trouble-child-labor-laws

https://m.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/17ey75/child_labor_is_it_really_that_bad/

They actually argue for the abolition of child labor laws on the basis of personal freedom. Like many other libertarian arguments they don't consider the coercive force of poverty and the free market on those who must work to live, and the history of why child labor was made illegal to begin with. Or they don't care. Either way it's dangerous nonsense.

[–]CannedBread5eva [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So it's ok to force people to joins unions that support candidates and other institutions they disagree with?

Also laughing at your anti-free trade position

[–]johnbrowncominforya [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're forced to pay taxes that support all kinds of institutions you may disagree with... For you I'd bet it's OHSA..

[–]CannedBread5eva [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

http://www.oshamanual.com/dental_osha.html?gclid=CKeDusi4wcsCFZI9gQodTw4BOA

Here, why don't we discuss the OSHA manual that costs dentists 400$ as an example. Labor unions are not institutions of state, and they should not have powers akin to taxes.

[–]JBBdude [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This. I get the value of unions and collective bargaining, and the problems of free riding on them, but they are both less relevant in an information economy where labor is less interchangeable avid employees have more individual bargaining power AND their mandatory membership can really impede freedoms of association. Perhaps if their scope was limited to exclusively negotiating contracts (no politics, minimal staff, no benefit programs outside those negotiated for in contracts) and as a result fees only covered that effort, I could get on board with mandatory membership.

[–]Chris19862 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can confirm. Wife got fired for asking for a letter of recommendation after she returned from maternity leave. No recourse for us, days after we closed on a house. That "right to work" really helped us out.... :-/

[–]InsaneChihuahua [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

I think you're thinking of at will employment.

[–]LandMineHare [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

"Right-to-work" laws are statutes in a number of states in the United States that prohibit union security agreements, or agreements between employers and labor unions, that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring. Right-to-work laws do not aim to provide general guarantee of employment to people seeking work, but rather are a government regulation of the contractual agreements between employers and labor unions that prevents them from excluding non-union workers, or requiring employees to pay a fee to unions that have negotiated the labor contract all the employees work under.

[–]ProfitMoney [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

In layman's terms:

Union negotiates on behalf of its dues paying members. Negotiations and contracts cover non union members.

Unions cannot compel employees to join, but they enjoy the benefits of Union negotiations.

More people refuse to join. Because why buy the cow when the milk is free?

Union coffers dry up.

Union is busted.

Employer is now at will when contract ends.

[–]Discover2010 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I agree that it's partly a union busting tool but there are certain benefits in many unions besides base pay. For instance, unions can often defend employees who are getting fired by managers for personal reasons.

On the flip side, not all unions are equal. Some are corrupt and greedy while others do just care about advocating for employees.

[–]Supersmartguy123 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Uh I can get fired if my boss wants to. I definitely work in a state that doesn't have right to work. You're wrong in all categories. It's called being an at will employee. I bet you're one as well, if you have a job.

[–]BearSausage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Unions: can't fire ya even if you molest a kid." See how we can both play this game?

[–]Hurinfan [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I don't think someone should be forced to join a union if they don't want to.

[–]zombiesingularity [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Aka you think unions should die, because it takes money to run them. They get the benefits of union representation and should pay dues.

[–]Hurinfan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're right. Because I think forced participation should be unlawful I think unions should die.

[–]zombiesingularity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's what ends up happening in states that pass these awful laws.

[–]spyd3rweb [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

You aren't forced to work for a company with a union.

[–]Ralph1962 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

No, I'm not. And, because I live in Wisconsin, even if I am unfortunate enough to ever have to do that, I won't be forced to join it and send a potion of every paycheck to the Democratic Party.

[–]ado010 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, the Democratic Party is a fucking rip off; I've been sending money for years and have yet to receive my healing potion.

[–]arstin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sucker! The Koch brothers deliver a case of healing potions to my fanciest yacht every week.

[–]my_gf_is_16_im_26 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

1962

Username checks out.

EDIT: Hah, look at this goon. I always look hoping to be pleasantly surprised that intelligent conservatives do exist, but they always, always let me down:

"Which is why it's essential to not let Obama get another appointee. I'm assuming you're concerned about how many girls will die because they are aborted, because otherwise your statement makes no sense."

"This legislation is key to correcting that decades-old mistake [Roe v Wade]."

[–]Ralph1962 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

First time I've heard someone say it's "intelligent" to want to murder children. If you honestly think that, I hope you have a change of heart before you end up in prison.

[–]chillin223 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Umm no. Because those of us in the union have to negotiate for the free riders. Right to work is garbage.

[–]chapisbored [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Right to work means if there is a union saying 'we arent going to work until you pay us more' the company can say 'we are going to hire other people that accept lower wages because these other people have the right to work if you're not going to.' If i'm not mistaken, MLK was a huge proponet of workers rights and "Right-to-work" was created to combat that. Which is why here in South Carolina we have Right-to-work.

[–]bl1y [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Right to work is just about not being forced to join a union in order to work.

[–]chapisbored [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Yes exactly that. Sometimes you need unions. Right to work is no to unions.

Edit: clarification

[–]bl1y [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Right to work isn't "no to unions" it's the right to say yes or no as you please.

[–]popozuda247 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The right to say you don't want to pay dues but you want the hard fought benefits like overtime pay, vacation time, sick leave, a living wage etc etc.

[–]bl1y [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I want the right to say I don't want to be represented by the union at all. I don't want to pay dues, and if that means I don't get their benefits I am absolutely okay with that.

[–]chapisbored [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think you're right. I should read more about it.

[–]Supersmartguy123 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You should read more before acting like you understand the topic.

[–]harborwolf [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Okay... and the teachers unions that are supporting Hillary didn't ask for the input of the majority of their members before they endorsed that corrupt shill.

So does ANY of it matter?

[–]AdamNW [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Most unions are actually supposed to have votes on this stuff, where every union member votes.

One corrupt union doesn't show the worthlessness of them.

[–]Supersmartguy123 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No, because most teacher unions are filled w greedy people who don't care if the union ruins a cities finances.

[–]AccountNumberB [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think you know what right to work means...

[–]Remain_InSaiyan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Out of all the stupid comments I've seen on this subreddit, I believe this is the worst so far.