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[–]BarefootBluegrass 144ポイント145ポイント  (245子コメント)

For the people who were repeated no tippers, our boss would let them know when they ordered that the drivers live off tips and are taxed 10% of their orders and when you don't tip they have to pay for money they didn't make. After that if they repeatedly didn't tip, they were banned but could still throw us money by picking up.

[–]AMAStevenglansberg 134ポイント135ポイント  (95子コメント)

The pizza place charges the drivers to deliver pizza...?

[–]calvicstaff 20ポイント21ポイント  (25子コメント)

the way my store works is that you make minimum wage while in the store doing dishes or whatever is helpful, but you only make like 4/hour or so while on the road, so you are essentially giving up 3.50 an hour in favor of a tip, you do get paid mileage but thats to cover gas, and dosn't even begin to cover wear and tear on your vehicle. oh and that 2.75 charge for it being a delivery? drivers never see a cent of that

:edit for bad math

[–]BrainWav 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

oh and that 2.75 charge for it being a delivery? drivers never see a cent of that

In college, I would undertip if the place had a charge. I wish someone told me that earlier, I felt like a total ass when I found out. Now I just don't get delivery if there's a charge.

[–]calvicstaff 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, its printed really small at the bottom of the receipt or on the side of the box, places you don't expect people to read because if they assume the driver gets it they are more likely to be willing to pay it

[–]wandering_ones 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

When some of those delivery fees are 7 dollars its hard to justify even going to that restaurant.

[–]alexhimmel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Out of curiosity where do you live?

I've never seen a delivery charge more than 2.50 for...well, any place that delivers

[–]bobthecrusher 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you just don't get delivery at all then? Where are you ordering from that doesn't have a charge?

[–]BrainWav [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

There's a few mom-and-pop places that still don't have them, but they're rare. I'll just go get it or go without most of the time now. Where I live, most of the places that will deliver aren't so far away that a drive for me is an issue.

[–]bobthecrusher [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I tend to not bother with getting a delivery most of the time either. So much cheaper to pick it up

[–]Neurot5 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Same here. Plus it's honestly just nice to get out of the apartment and go for a short drive sometimes.

[–]reginaldaugustus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't worry, you probably ate a lot of bodily fluids for it.

[–]BaneWraith 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Where the fuck do you live that minimum is 6.50/hr????

[–]calvicstaff 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

its 7.50 my bad on the simple math mistake

[–]BaneWraith 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Still though... that doesnt sound like enough to live on

[–]Creature_73L 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

If you're a kid in high school just looking for some extra cash, that would be fine.

[–]BaneWraith -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah but what about unskilled workers with families?

[–]Creature_73L -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

So as an adult, you make no effort in gaining any skills in order to provide for yourself and decide to have children that you can't afford to take care of (because you can't take care of yourself) and this is now the responsibility of all business owners to make sure every position pays enough to support your stupid decisions in life.
Perhaps I have a job that I can offer to someone if they would like to accept it that would get them $10 and hour. Perhaps a menial task that just about anyone could do. Is it better to you that job doesn't exist? That no kid just trying to make a few extra dollars maybe while in school can have that job, all because out there are a few people you decide to make no effort in life and make dumb decisions.

[–]BaneWraith [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thats not fair. Some people want to turn their life around. But when you are in debt, have kids, and no skills, tell me it wouldn't seem impossible to even dream of spending money and taking time off to learn trade skills, god forbid go to college.

Im not sayimg the government should pay people to be lazy. Im saying that its easy to hust assume that all poor people are lazy when you've never been poor and cannot empathize with these people.

A huge problem in america is exactly this. A lot of people who were born well off (not all thankfully) have ZERO empathy for those who never had a chance.

Im not saying that there arent a bunch of lazy poor people out there. But most poor people dont want to be poor and would love to get out of that situation, but simply dont have the means to without abadoning their families, or turning to crime.

I live in canada. In my province the minimum wage is 10.55$/hr. We have CEGEP which costs like 160$/semester and you can learn skills there which would allow you to get higher paying jobs. And still a lot of people struggle with poverty.

I cant imagine living on 7.50/hr with a family to take care of.

[–]StudebakerHotch [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Do you really believe that everyone that works that sort of job never made an effort to gain any skills? There are countless reasons why a person might end up in that situation, and not all of them involve being a deadbeat. Some? Sure. But all? No. it's a lot more complex than that.

[–]DoubleJesusPower [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is why I hate ordering delivery pizza, not only am I paying some bogus "delivery charge", but then I'm also obligated to tip because the pizza place doesn't want to pay even minimum wage to drivers. 9/10 times I just pick it up myself.

[–]Permaphrost [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah you get paid less while on the road, but if the tips you make don't even out to minimum wage, the company has to pay the difference.

[–]Squiido [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I usually pay with card so I write the tip on the receipt or on the website. Do the drivers still get that?

[–]reginaldaugustus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes. It's taxed, though, so cash tips are better but no one is gonna complain.

[–]Octobuns [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Find a new pizza place yours is the scum of the earth. My old job they charged 2.50 for delivery but we got to see that in our hourly wage because we got paid 9.50/hr. We had no responsibilities other than sweeping, making boxes and delivering pizza. Any pizza place that make you live off tips can suck a dick.

[–]subtledeception [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How did they compensate for mileage? Was it at the IRS rate?

[–]BarefootBluegrass 89ポイント90ポイント  (50子コメント)

No. Waiters/waitresses or delivery drivers who make income off of tips are required to pay taxes on that money, even though technically the government doesnt know you made that money. So they set a standard 10%. Meaning when your waitress gives you your bill and it's $50. When she goes to do her taxes, Uncle Sam is gonna say ok she had a table worth $50. So Uncle Sam says she has to pay in on $5 (being 10% of 50). So if you tip less than 10% technically you're making the server pay for money they didn't earn.

[–]kosmatchet 67ポイント68ポイント  (10子コメント)

Wait, so the waiter has to pay income tax on the $5, not $5, correct?

[–]PadmesBabyDaddy 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Correct

[–]BarefootBluegrass 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right they pay income tax on the 10%. So if I made 5k from the restaurant, but served 10k worth of food, when I file for my income tax, my overall income would be looked at as 6k.

[–]93761 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes. $5 is what Uncle Sam estimates the waitress made from a $50 bill. The waitress then pays income tax on the $5.

[–]LiberContrarion 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

What's that you think? About $3.50?

[–]93761 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not quite that high. Federal income tax varies by the bracket; depending on what you make, you'll pay 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33%, 35%, or 39.6% of your income in taxes to the government. Waitresses/Waiters are likely in one of the lower brackets, so they're probably paying anywhere from $0.50 (10% of $5) to $1.50 (25% of $5) in income tax on $5.

States also have income tax, but I'm in one of the 7 states that doesn't, so I'm not sure what those percentages are or how they're taken. That probably varies by state.

[–]LiberContrarion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sorry...old South Park reference. I was joking about the $3.50. Regardless, a thorough yet concise explanation.

[–]Nihilin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I ain't givin' you no tree-fitty, you goddamn Loch Ness Monster!

[–]BaneWraith 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes

[–]1318613 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, they are taxed on the assumed earnings. So say, hypothetically, the server has to pay 10% of every dollar earned to income tax. The gov't assumed the table would pay the server +10% of the total. So now the server owes the gov't $0.50.

All of this boils down to the server is paying to work, instead of being paid to work.

[–]-fuzzyd- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

$Aladeen

[–]Luvalesc 36ポイント37ポイント  (7子コメント)

America is so messed up in some things.. Why in the world don't waiters/waitresses/delivery people just make a normal salary like everyone else that has a job? As a European I just don't get it..

[–]pgrily 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I can't stand it. I worked as a server for a while, but I just hate fucking tipping. It's horseshit. And the fact that it's based off of how much you pay and not the actual service you receive makes it even more ridiculous.

Because I order a more expensive cut of steak with a Coca Cola instead of water, you magically deserve more money for doing the same work? Bullshit.

My friend once gave me shit because I was going to leave $5 on a ~$40 ticket. It was some vegan restaurant where they overprice everything because it contains cashew butter instead of cheese or whatever. All the server had to do was deliver our entrees and pour some water. For some reason this calls for more of a tip than a couple $5 meals at Dennys.

[–]twofifteen [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

To be fair, someone working in a fancy shmancy vegan restaurant might need to be more knowledgeable on food/ingredients/allergens, ingredient sourcing, and nutrition than your average Denny's worker. I'm not saying this is the case, but it might be a reason for a waiter/waitress deserving a higher tip.

[–]Avidoz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not saying this is the case, but it might be a reason for a waiter/waitress deserving a higher tip.

Why would that be? It's the same service. If anything, that should force the restaurant to pay higher wages for qualified employees.

[–]StoleThisFromYou [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The system is fucked, but you're still a shitty person for leaving a shitty tip. If you want tipping abolished, vote. Don't be a dick.

[–]Facilis_San [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As an American who makes most of his money from tip shares, I don't really understand it either. I guess people just don't want to pay the extra money that would be tip as a part of the food's price.

[–]toriaray [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I feel like if the system worked properly, we would get better service overall (I do find that service staff are a lot friendlier and more efficient in the US) but here, all the tips seem to go into one pot and get shared out, sometimes with kitchen staff as well. I don't feel like I'm giving a tip to reward good service, I'm just giving the restaurant more money for no reason.

[–]Mirrorflute88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We don't get it either

[–]g3wd 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

I need more info on that. You're saying the .gov knows what portion of someone's income was in a service industry and then charges them a flat tax of 10% on it to get back tip money?

[–]displacerbeast 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not quite. The government assumes that workers earn a minimum of 8% (varies by state, this is CA) of their sales in tips. You are taxed on that assumed income if you do not report your tips. If you report less, you are still taxed on the minimum. If you report a higher percentage, you are taxed based on that income.

[–]thegreekgeek 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Minnesota server checking in, it's 10% here.

[–]g3wd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What I was unclear on was who was providing this information to the .gov. It sounds like the business its self adds the 10% to the "wages and tips" that it puts on your W2?

I don't remember ever seeing a worksheet on the 1040 where you were supposed to break out your service income and then add 10% to account for tips. Obviously including your actual tips in gross income is on the honor system.

[–]dae3dae3 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You have to claim tips as income. If you don't claim at least 10% of your totals you're going to have a bad time in an audit. I'm assuming some businesses just assume that 10% and report it like regular income. When I delivered pizza in college we were supposed to claim our tips as income so the business could withhold taxes on it but most of the people claimed very little. So if you are working someplace that is going to assume at least 10% of your total and report that income a zero tip is actually a negative number on your taxes.

[–]g3wd 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So is this happening on the business' accounting side when they prepare your W2?

[–]dae3dae3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it shows as income on your W2. There is also a line when preparing your return where it asks about undeclared wages from tips. That is your last chance to report the income if you didn't before.

[–]WhatInYourPants 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They really audit minimum wage workers because they think they have some undeclared tips?

[–]RobinBennett 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, it sounds more like the government assumes that everyone tips 10% of the bill, and then taxes the worker on their assumed income.

[–]g3wd 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

But that's what I'm wondering....how do they know what portion of someone's income was service related? There's no worksheet on the 1040 that says "Ok, take all the money you made in a tipping field, multiply by .1, and add that to your taxes"

[–]RobinBennett 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't, but I guess this is a just to check that you've declared your income. If there are receipts that show you were earning, but you don't declare any income, they assume you're cheating.

I wonder what information they get from the receipts?

[–]LadyLixerwyfe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They assume you average 10% of your sales in tips. At the end of a shift, you have to claim the actual amount you made. Most servers just claim 10% because any less could get you flagged by the IRS. The server is then taxed on that claimed income. It really sucks because there are shifts when you don't make 10%.

[–]cloversnbluemoons [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, not quite. I used to pay taxes as though I was tipped 10% for the food I sold. So they'd take my nightly totals, assume I got tipped 10% of all the money I sold in food, and tax me accordingly.

When people tipped on their credit card, we received it in our paycheck. That helped cover the taxes, but you had to make sure you didn't end up with paychecks for $0 or you owed money.

[–]subtledeception [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes and no.

The IRS knows what you do for a living. A server is typically paid well below minimum wage to account for tips. The IRS knows how much food you sold in a year because the restaurant reports it. If you sold 50k worth of food, they assume you averaged a 10% tip. Thus, they assume you earned 5k in tips, and tax that 5k at the appropriate progressive rate just like any other income.

It's a little more complicated, and in my state I actually reported how much I made in tips every night, though the IRS would still notice if I claimed like $100 income from tips of 50k worth of food and beverage sales.

Basically it's just their best way of tracking this specific type of income, which doesn't come on a paycheck and needs to be accounted for in a different way. In the end, it's taxed just the same.

[–]NearInfinite 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Fuck all that.

Hey, I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips.

That's fucked up. But that ain't my fault.

It would appear that waitresses are one of the many groups that the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis.

You show me a paper that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it. But what I won't do is play ball."

-- Mr. Pink

[–]Frugalfoodie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Tipping is a big reason I don't eat out very much.

It's a policy that I disagree with, but not so much that I will screw over the serving staff by not tipping.

If there were places near me that paid their staff a good wage (or at least minimum for fuck's sake) and didn't have tipping, I would go there.

Tip less restaurants haven't caught on around here so the only way to win is to not play.

[–]KaiserBear [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Fuck Mr. Pink.

Fuck him in the ass and mouth with a rusty metal cactus.

[–]cambo666 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

... you sure about this?

[–]devdude25 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just to horn in on misconceptions in the restaurant industry, but beyond that servers, bartenders, and others in the industry have to tip out the server assistants(bussboys and food runners, bartenders) a percentage of their net sales too, so when you dont tip, your server still has to pay money out of their pocket to other employees in the restaurant, so you made them pay money to wait on you.

[–]AnticScarab3 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly though, I feel like the service industry kind of brought that one on themselves by just never reporting tips ever. It sucks that that's how it works out now (and honestly, we need to just get rid of tipping altogether), but it wasn't exactly fair when all your tips were just tax free.

[–]Ryckes 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have lived in two different european countries where tipping is considered generous, never necessary. Everytime I hear about this kind of thing in the US I just think that system is flawed. Give them a salary, it's not like they work for free.

[–]AnticScarab3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's one of those things that even Americans think is dumb, but nobody can really stop doing it. It takes a huge effort to change something that's this widespread in a society, and people don't usually put that much effort into changing something that isn't really harming people. If it's just annoying, it never changes.

[–]KneeDeepInTheDead [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The thing is they bitch and moan about tipping but they sure as fuck dont want a salary since then they would be making less than they do now. They complain all the time but then rake in in a day what some of us in the kitchen would make in a week.

[–]AnticScarab3 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait, I have a question here: When exactly does the government start assuming that you're getting a 10% tip? Obviously, when a server waits on a table, or a driver delivers to a house, they assume there's a tip being received. But what if I order something to be picked up?

I just realized that every time I place a pickup order, there's a tip line on the receipt I fill out. I always leave it blank, because I figure they're not actually serving me and I shouldn't be expected to tip. Are they getting taxed because I'm not tipping on my pickup orders?

[–]BarefootBluegrass 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No they aren't. Nowadays most restaurants all have a login system on the computers so the waitress goes over, punches her number and then adds the receipt to be added at the end of the night. Your question with the pick up order. In that instance no. Usually those are just the common receipts that print out with the machine ( but always cross out the tip line of you don't leave one, I've seen people write in tips. FELONY) When you place a pickup, no delivery driver claims that order it just goes into the computer so it registers that "x" amount of cash should be in there when they cash it out. But nobody claims them and you are not required to tip. Of you do, I imagine it just goes to management.

[–]AnticScarab3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahhh, okay. Cool. I felt like a dick for a minute there.

[–]OvertimeWr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This isn't true at all.

[–]BarefootBluegrass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh? And your explanation of why is where again?

[–]thedantasm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Close. The government doesn't force you to pay taxes on money you didn't make. It will, however, audit you if your tips fall below a certain percentage. If enough people fall short, it will audit the whole restaurant. Most servers make enough to cover this expectation and under-claim what they made. If they have a rough night, it is in their best interest to over-claim what they made to keep it the average up (although still claiming in the long run less than they actually made.)

If a server/driver claims 100% of what they made every night, there is no reason to claim money they didn't make on a bad night.

[–]Ferl74 16ポイント17ポイント  (14子コメント)

I used to work for a pizza place and if I didn't claim tips at the end of the night, I wouldn't be charged taxes. The only time I had to claim tips and get taxes taken out for them, was credit card payments. Also the taxes were taken out when I filed, the company doesn't take any money from me. They actually gave me like 1.20 per delivery.

[–]subtledeception [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You committed tax evasion by failing to claim income.

I mean, I don't really care, but I'm just saying.

[–]Ferl74 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What I said was "if I didn't claim tips" that's not omitting to anything, simply hypothetical. So I didn't commit anything.

[–]TheVoicesSayHi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not any one pizza place. As a tipped employee you're taxed on your tips "either your adjusted credit card tips or 10% of your total orders whichever is greater"

So let's say you take deliveries with a total of $500 one day. The IRS expects that you'll have made at least $50 in tips that day so if the tips you got from just credit card orders (which are automatically claimed) total more than $50 you don't need to claim your cash tips at all. (And therefore don't get taxed on them)

However let's say you take $500 worth of food but only a couple people paid with a card so your credit tips only total $7....you have to claim at least $43 in cash tips or the IRS sends you a letter

[–]Mitz510 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you still sit alone at the lunch table?

[–]reginaldaugustus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Depending on the area, it can be very easy for a driver to lose money on a delivery if they aren't tipped.

[–]xilpaxim 57ポイント58ポイント  (25子コメント)

I like how the boss, instead of paying better, just told customers They were the jerks.

[–]Megas911 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

This, wtf. Pay them a god damn livable wage.

[–]IamMrT [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And say hello to less drivers and a higher delivery charge!

[–]Arancaytar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably better to have the delivery cost a bit more for everyone than to have some optional honor system where the conscientious people have to pay more to make up for the non-tippers.

I mean, tipping wouldn't have to be eliminated entirely. Just raise the baseline to the point where "zero tip" means you still pay your fair share for the service, and everything beyond that is an actual gratuity instead of an obligation.

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    [–]Creature_73L 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My thoughts exactly, fuck that businesses practices.

    [–]Guson1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yea, that's how tipping in this country works. If management wanted to pay more, they could just add a fat delivery fee, but that's typically not done as the norm is tipping. When the norm is tipping and you never tip, you are in fact an asshole

    [–]fancynameguy -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

    As opposed to... what? Changing their entire business model and flaunting service industry culture in their community?

    [–]RobinBennett 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Innovative buisness ideas worked for lots of other companies. Just write on the advert "we pay our workers a living wage, you pay the menu price and nothing else". Nice customers get a cheaper pizza, assholes who don't tip get more expensive pizza, staff get a predictable income, everyone is happy - except that one flirty waitress who always got bigger tips than everyone else.

    [–]Creature_73L 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes.

    [–]hatestheinternet 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

    yes..exactly that

    [–]bobthecrusher 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Because a general manager of a chain restaraunt has impact over that

    [–]Zilean [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    I for one choose not not to work in industries with shitty employee pay practices. But I know a lot of people don't have many choices.

    [–]barntobebad [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yeah that's going to end well for the one pizza joint whose prices are higher than others. It's super fun to rail against tipping on reddit, but in reality you don't change an industry by going bankrupt "because principles!"

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      [–]Crowbarmagic 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

      "I'm sorry sir, but my employees earn shit. You should give them more money."

      [–]BarefootBluegrass 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      So many comments that are totally ignorant of how businesses work. Explain to me why a 17yr old delivery driver with no skills and no prior job experience should get paid more than the government required minimum? Not all jobs demand for somebody to make 100k a year. Serving is a gamble, you win and lose. But that's why you make less than minimum wage, because you're suppose to earn tips.

      [–]Crowbarmagic 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's not that I don't understand how the business works, I was just joking because it seems idiotic. No, I don't actually expect a single business owner to sustain a business if he has to pay employees over twice as much as competitors. It's the business overall.

      There's a "miniumum wage" yet you can earn less. The government expects you to pay taxes on what they think you earned, so you can "lose" money if you don't get tipped. Although a $10 pizza is still $10, as we learned from this thread some pizza places will avoid you if you don't tip, some drivers may take personal revenge, and it's basically a social stigma making you look like an asshole, so that $10 is now $11-$12 (it's no biggie to do the math, but why?). And with $2.90 an hour for 40 hours a week for 52 weeks earns you a grand total of $6032.

      Serving is a gamble, you win and lose.

      'It's just the way it is' huh? I think we could do better than making young people who may need that job to pay for school to get somewhere a "gamble". If you have to pay rent and you need stability, and it's already worse enough that your are very replaceable.

      [–]BarefootBluegrass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      My numbers were solely for simplicity as uneven numbers make my head hurt. But I'm not saying I agree with it at all. It is crazy the way it works and yes there does need to be some,major change in the way it works. But I'm just saying how it is, and that the owner looks like an was but he sacrificed his own income from these people, to look after his employees. He's running a business and can't afford to pay everyone more than minimum. But he did everything else he could to ensure we had an enjoyable working experience.

      [–]badforedu 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

      This seems like total shit. It sounds like the store banned this customer because they didn't have enough money to pay the driver a living wage and has to make it up thru tips. I realize drivers in general don't make much, and I usually tip fairly generously, but a tip is not mandated.

      [–]Princepurple1 17ポイント18ポイント  (15子コメント)

      Or... Ya know... The asshole could have just paid you a living wage instead of whining to people.

      [–]RYouNotEntertained -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Yep, because as we all know, small-business owners make HUGE profit margins.

      [–]Koreanjesus4545 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

      That's not the customers problem.

      [–]RYouNotEntertained [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

      It might be, if paying delivery drivers more makes delivery not viable.

      [–]Koreanjesus4545 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

      Then I guess they lose sales to another place that will deliver. Customers shouldn't have to pay additional money to make up for the business owners that don't pay their people enough.

      [–]CykoTom [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Then I guess they lose sales to another place that will deliver.

      This manager agreed to EXACTLY those conditions. He is trying to insure that his delivery people received a living wage. If you as a customer did not agree to pay the drivers a living wage then he said he would not be doing business with you.

      [–]Koreanjesus4545 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      It's not a customers job to pay the delivery people. It's the employers job to pay their employees, if they aren't making enough money to do that, that's not on the customer.

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        [–]Princepurple1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Oldest laziest excuse. Plenty of small businesses pay their staff at least minimum wage.

        [–]gacu-gacu [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        He should pay his workers from his profit or his business isn't viable.

        [–]RYouNotEntertained [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        That's kinda my point -- how much do you want his employees paid from his profits? If you say a full living wage, that's a fine opinion, but given the low margins of a pizza place, it probably means that you're going to pay more for pizza, or do without.

        Which is fine, I'm just saying you can't have it both ways.

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          [–]ButthurtByProxy 14ポイント15ポイント  (44子コメント)

          What kind of cold hearted bastard doesn't tip the guy who brings them pizza?

          [–]BarefootBluegrass 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Usually the ones juuuuust outside the 7mil radius from the store.

          [–]Ferl74 12ポイント13ポイント  (29子コメント)

          Fucking kids man... Parents would let the kids answer the door and give me the money, I would tell them how much and I see them count out the amount and pocket the rest. There was only one time when the parents called the store and ask me to come back because their son "forgot" to tip me.

          [–]captainburnz 17ポイント18ポイント  (28子コメント)

          My parents used to do this. No one told me that tips were expected. Despite what you might think, it's not common sense to tip a pizza guy.

          [–]Ferl74 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Maybe not common sense for a ten year old, but if your parents say this is the money for the pizza guy, you give them that money. Your parents know what they are doing you clearly do not. Since you didn't know you should tip the guy who brought food to your house for you to eat.

          [–]Guson1 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

          Maybe not common sense but it is common knowledge in the same way that tipping waiters and waitresses is

          [–]captainburnz [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          Not really. Most countries don't tip waiters and waitresses, they get a proper wage.

          [–]Guson1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          That's irrelevant unless your parents recently migrated. Either way, tipping the pizza man is common knowledge in this country. For the people who might not have known that, the manager called to ensure his workers were protected and had what I'm sure we're uncomfortable conversations. If people refused to tip, then that's fine and they will be denied service.

          Also, Waiters and waitresses make plenty of money and are well above minimum wage, they just like to bitch. If you're making less than minimum wage, your pay is automatically bumped up and it means either they have too much staff or you suck at your job

          [–]captainburnz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          The problem with tipping is that it requires generous people to counter shit-bags. If you are a good person, you end up paying more. It's basically a hidden 'generosity tax'

          [–]rolledupdollabill -4ポイント-3ポイント  (20子コメント)

          you don't have to tip, it's just nice when you do.

          [–]why_hello_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I one hundred percent agree

          [–]kutdzu 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

          it's not "nice" to tip. it's normal to tip, and rude if you don't.

          [–]dae3dae3 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

          If you're not going to tip the driver go pick it up yourself. I guarantee the delivery person loses money delivering to you if you don't tip them.

          [–]MasterEzioAuditore 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It's not really the customers fault that tipping in America is so fucked up tho

          [–]bobthecrusher -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Oh fuck off. That's not an excuse. It's been this way since at least 1970, and tipping the delivery man isn't exactly an American only idea. The amount you're paying, with tip, is the same you'd be paying for their wages to be increased if not more. The only difference is its technically optional, though you're supposed to tip over to incentivize good service.

          [–]rolledupdollabill -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          well yeah, if I don't give them extra money for doing their job then they definitely make less money

          [–]hardproject 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Well we now know who the asshole whi doesnt tip is

          [–]rolledupdollabill 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          says the asshole that didn't give me gold for my comment.

          [–]chainmailtank 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

          If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford pizza/eating out.

          [–]xilpaxim 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

          That's not technically true.

          [–]Cock-PushUps 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Agreed. I do tip, but maybe the US should pay people a normal wage instead of relying on fucking tips. And if the pizza takes forever and is cold, I won't.

          [–]RoosterFeet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Except many people use that as an excuse not to tip. They use that, saying they're "protesting" the minimum wage for servers, when in reality they just fuck them over.

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            [–]ITworksGuys 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I was in my 20's before I ever even heard of it.

            My buddy delivered pizzas and he told me he got paid for every delivery, by the time I had my own money I assumed the extra $$ was all they wanted.

            To be fair, I usually pick my pizza up because I like it faster than 45-60 min.

            [–]mementomori4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            My SO just accidentally tipped the delivery guy 50 cents like half an hour ago... we normally tip $3 or so for regular, non-stormy or shitty days (the store isn't even a mile away). I am so embarrassed. :(

            It was an accident because he had a moment of complete stupidity and subtracted wrong when asking for change.

            [–]DasHeadCrapHGN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Me. I'm fine if you take long or whatever that's 100% fair.

            [–]nazzyc 19ポイント20ポイント  (37子コメント)

            Why would people need to tip? I seriously don't understand this notion. A tip is extra. I appreciate the guy bringing out the pizza, but when I've already paid for the pizza and the extra for the delivery, I'm not going to pay more than that. They get their pay. Or USA mighty just function way way differently than Denmark in this case.

            [–]BarefootBluegrass 17ポイント18ポイント  (18子コメント)

            Probably. Minimum wage here is $7.25 an hour. Waiters and waitresses only make I believe $2.90 an hour +tips. Now clearly a worker who lives off tips cant sustain a life making less than 3 dollars an hour. So the workers need tips. Not only is not tipping considered rude (unless the service was bad) but it also hurts the server. They get taxed on 10% of everything they serve. Meaning if your bill was $50, the government looks at the server like she made 10% of that 50. So if you don't tip at least $5, the server gets taxed on money they never made.

            [–]thisguysmokey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            $2.90/hour? God dammit. That's insane.

            [–]Facilis_San [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            To further elaborate upon this, not tipping also hurts most of the rest of the employees in a restaurant as well because of tip share. I know that where I work, a certain Italian chain of which there are only one or two in Pennsylvania, the hosts, bussers, waiters/waitresses, bartenders, and cocktail servers all get tip share. I personally have no clue how they divvy out the tips, but I absolutely hate it. I've never gotten a tip share worth more than $30 and make $5/hr. For someone who can only sink their weekends into it, it's not a great job. But I digress.

            Say you visit the restaurant and don't leave a tip for whatever reason. That waiter/ress wouldn't be able to take that money in, and neither would the positions I mentioned above.

            [–]GL02251 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (15子コメント)

            While I tip because I'm nice, the idea that I'm constantly paying 15-20% is absurd.

            Yes, these people live off tips. But why in the hell are they making $20+ an hour then? It's a low-skill job that essentially anyone can do, and the compensation should reflect that fact.

            Seriously. If a person made $12-15 an hour waiitng tables or delvering pizzas (adjusted for transportation costs on the latter), then that makes sense to me. I have no idea why it isn;t customary to tip a few bucks and call it fair.

            If a server has a few tables and they each throw that person a few bucks, that's already a decent hourly wage for a low skilled job.

            What am I missing here, from a logical perspective?

            [–]dae3dae3 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm not going to agree with you that it is a job that anyone can do. I think many people would suck at it.

            [–]MyRottingBrain 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Um yeah, not everyone can be a waiter or a waitress, plenty of people are not cut out for that job at all.

            [–]BarefootBluegrass 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

            You find me a job where a waitress is making that much. I made 5.50 delivering pizzas, so yea tips are needed.

            [–]Vynda 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Im a delivery driver as well i clear 50-120 bucks a night at 8.05 an hour under the table. little mom and pop place just a very busy one.

            [–]HorlawV2 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I worked in a restaurant. Waitress and waiters did that much if not more.

            [–]sanemaniac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It depends on your location. I live in San Francisco, waiters and waitresses can definitely make that much but the cost of living is also absurd here, so to me that justifies tips. I was a tour guide for a while so I remember the real bonus that tips represent. While I understand the principled opposition that people have to tipping ("your employer should be paying your living wage, not me!"), the only person harmed by not tipping is that specific employee.

            [–]therealkami 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Delivery driving is hard on your car, you fill up on gas, need more oil changes, brakes wear out fast, ect. You're often putting on a lot of city driving on your car. I would often drive 300-600 km a day. If there was a blizzard, I'd be driving in terrible and dangerous road conditions.

            Minimum wage+tips+mileage basically was just enough to cover the costs of living+car repairs. I gave up tips to move in store, and walked out with more money just based on not having to fill up on gas every day.

            [–]Bropps85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Being a good server isn't a low skill job. Sure, anyone can serve 3 tables at a Dennys and do alright but they aren't making that much money and working a rush at a busy upscale restaurant is much harder than you would think. I worked six years in the industry serving at an olive garden for two then a nice local hip restaurant for the last four and working 25-35 hours a week at either of those places was WAY more draining than any 60+ hour week I've worked since. People treat you like shit, blame you for everything that goes wrong whether it is inside your control or not and expect perfection while simultaneously acting like you are "below" them.

            Also I think people overestimate how much money servers make. I know 20% of your sales seems like a lot, but even if you get tipped exactly 20% of everything you sell, after tipping out bar, bussers, host (maybe?) paying for parking etc at a fairly pricey restaurant my sales generally would be between 500 to 600 on a weeknight and 800 to 1000 on a weekend night. I would usually walk with ~75 on a weeknight and 120-150 on a weekend night for usually about 6-10 hours of work depending on how busy it is and whether I opened or closed the restaurant. Granted that's not terrible money but to get that job you needed at least a year of experience and demonstrable skill at serving. Also for every night you work you probably were working a lunch shift which would be 2-4 hours of work for between 15 and 40 bucks generally, mostly landing on the lower end.

            As to your why isn't it customary to tip a couple bucks, its because then the server ends up making almost nothing. You have to remember they aren't only working during the exact amount of time you are eating, they have to be there a couple hours early to prep the back and in case a few straggles wander in and they probably stay an hour or so late to clean and close up. During that time they are probably only serving one or two tables and making very little money which is made up during the rush.

            People always say just pay them a livable wage and remove tipping entirely and I am fine with that but if the wage is proportionate to the difficulty of the job, food costs at nice restaurants would go up significantly and service quality at cheaper restaurants would go down significantly.

            TLDR: Serving at a decent place (the kind of place that makes the kind of money people seem to think all servers everywhere make) isn't that easy. Servers generally make less than people think.

            [–]Thedutchjelle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            I disagree with this. Sure, you don't need a 6 year college degree to wait tables but it's not an easy job either. And it's still a job, so someone should be able to survive on it.

            [–]ironoctopus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            American who lives in Dk here. Yes, it is much different in the US. First of all, the delivery person at the pizza/shwarma place here in Aarhus is making much more per hour than the guy in the US. He also doesn't have very far to go, probably. When I used to work delivery in my home town, we would deliver in a 10km radius, so if you only have one or two orders, that's could be close to an hour out and back. You are also paying for gas for the car. The driver is making minimum wage, which can be as low as 45 DKK/hr., and really does need the tips to make the job worth showing up to.

            That being said, tipping is so ingrained in me that I still tip the delivery guy here in Denmark, at least 10%, though I know it's not expected.

            [–]Sosetila 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Yeah, the US does function differently.
            People in jobs such as pizza delivery and bartending actually make less than minimum wage, because the customer is SUPPOSED to equal it out with the tip.
            Where you live, the driver does make at least minimum wage, so there's no real reason to tip.

            [–]JustJoeB 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

            because the customer is SUPPOSED to equal it out with the tip.

            I really don't understand that train of thought. Why is the customer supposed to, basically, pay more to the employee because his boss doesn't even pay him the minimum wage? Why is it the responsibility of the customer, and not the boss, to ensure the employee has a correct salary?

            Tips are supposed to be an extra... Also, I don't know how US work laws are but paying someone below the minimum wage sounds sketchy as hell (since, you know, it is the MINIMUM wage).

            [–]TheNaughtyMonkey [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            I know. It's almost like a whole different country!

            [–]JustJoeB [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Thanks for that helpful answer...

            What I'm asking is: Why is it considered normal to pay people below minimum wage in order to force the customer to supplement the worker's missing income?

            [–]Sosetila [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Well look at it this way:

            John works in a rubber band factory, and makes $8/hour. At the end of the day, John will always have NumberOfHoursWorked x 8 $s in his pocket. There is not a single day when a random person stops him on the street and say "you know what John, you did a really good job with those rubber bands, here, have $5". No, John always gets the same $8, no matter what he does.

            Jane, however, works as a server at a restaurant. She also makes $8/hour, but at the end of the day, she will NOT have NumberOfHoursWorked x 8 $s in her pocket. According to her job description, Jane interacts with people. According to her job description, Jane must make the people feel welcome and make them want to spend money. So, if Jane does something as simple as following her job description, Jane will get tips. So at the end of the day, if she does not fail at her job, Jane will ALWAYS have more money than John does.

            Now, how is this fair? John and Jane allegedly do the same amount of work. They both put in X amount of hours, and their time is valued by both of their employees at $8/hour.
            So why is fair for Jane to make more money than John, by doing the same amount of work he does? Well, you might say, that working in a factory and being a waiter is not the same thing.
            That Jane CAN do her job with the same grumpy and monotone face that John does his with, which would result in her not getting any tips, so Jane is merely doing something extra and she deserves the extra benefit.

            And I can honestly say you're right, and a lot of people that work those jobs can tell you how hard it is to find the energy within yourself to be extra friendly to every customer.
            But you know who doesn't think you're right? Mr. Boss-man. To Mr. Boss-man, Jane is REQUIRED to be extra nice to all of her clients. He's not stupid, he sees that Jane is actually getting $14/hour instead of the $8/hour that he's supposed to pay her for doing what he considers to merely be her job.
            So what does he do? He reduces her hourly wage to $2. Now, the extra $6 that Jane used to get for being extra nice to her customers, only brings her up to $8, because Mr. Boss-man considers that, by doing what is expected of her to do, she is not doing any extra work and should not get extra rewards for it.

            As I said, I do not think this is true, but this is just the way things work in the US. This only benefits the employer, yes, but honestly it also regulates the job market in a really effective way, which is why it probably won't get changed too soon.

            [–]craigwg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            This is why I, as a US citizen, never pay for delivery. I despise the concept of tipping. But for certain functions in US society you are looked down upon if you don't tip. For me to consider anyone worthy of a tip you'd better tell me, "I put out a fire on your front lawn when I pulled up. Also there was a rapist breaking into your house but I stopped him. I also took the liberty of investing your money in a high yield stock and since we've been talking its gone up 500%. Also, here is your pizza." THAT is tip-worthy service. But if I ask for a pizza and you bring me a pizza, you have done the bare minimum that was asked of you. Any less and your job is in jeopardy. I do still tip waitresses as society demands. However I avoid situations where I would be expected to tip. "Sir can I take your luggage?" "H$%^ no you can't. Step down. I'll hold on to my luggage."

            [–]Yondura 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            In the US, waiters and I would guess drivers can be paid below the federal minimum wage as they are expected to receive tips.

            [–]NuclearSquiddy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The fact is they don't get a proper pay unless you tip because their "base pay" is under minimum as it is.

            Adam explains our broken system here.

            [–]the_xxvii 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Don't get me wrong, if the place I deliver for charged for delivery I would never expect tips, but since we have free delivery I would appreciate a couple bucks for risking my ass driving around a college town full of the worst drivers I've seen (outside of Hawaii). And deer. And idiot college kids riding their bikes at night with no lights. All just to bring you food you were too lazy to leave the house for.

            [–]teddybear01 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Same for me, when i read this i be like "wut the" but then remember redditers are mostly americans and that USA have different system.

            [–]goomyman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            They drive their own car... so even if they get gas money that is nothing compared to car repairs.

            Basically a driver might make 20 an hour during peak time which seems like a lot except when their car breaks down due to the massive amount of miles it can end up being closer to minimum wage again.

            [–]rangemaster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Drivers typically get paid shit, are driving their own cars and using their own gas, and normally don't get reimbursed for mileage.

            The companies won't change, so I tip my driver because I appreciate him bringing food to my lazy ass.

            [–]AgentBawls [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Most delivery drivers in the US make less than minimum wage. The delivery fee doesn't go to them. It's expected that they're tipped.

            [–]TheNaughtyMonkey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Or USA mighty just function way way differently than Denmark in this case.

            Yes.

            [–]Mirrorflute88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            It is different. People who are waiters get paid less than $3 per hour

            [–]Thorolf_Kveldulfsson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I guess don't get pizza delivered then, because that's how it's done

            [–]Creature_73L 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The real assholes here are the owners of that business. How about they actually pay their workers rather them make them beg for tips.

            [–]You_Should_Listen 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Wait, let me get this straight ; no tip and you get blacklisted?

            [–]BarefootBluegrass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            No there was more to it. It was repeated no tipping but they always said something was messed up or whatever. It was always something. So the owners final answer was hey you can come pick it up so we can make sure everything is ok before you walk out the store. I just gave the short version. As the driver, I was just more upset about the tips.

            [–]stoli80pr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's actually 8% of sales. Most restaurants tell people they have to claim 10% because they don't want you going under that number and they don't trust your math skills. To force greater compliance with tip reporting, the IRS decided that restaurants where tipped employees claimed less that 8% of sales would be audited along with their employees.

            [–]DasHeadCrapHGN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            So add it to the fucking cost. I'm not against tipping but it should never be forced at all.

            [–]BitcoinBoo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

            our boss would let them know when they ordered that the drivers live off tips and are taxed 10% of their orders and when you don't tip they have to pay for money they didn't make.

            Freakanomics did a wonderful special on how this is just business owners placing the burden of proper wage payment onto the customer. It does NOTHING but screw over the employee and customer.

            Edit: here it is

            [–]BarefootBluegrass [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            There's two sides to that argument though. Personally, I don't mind tipping. I don't go off a % I go off of the quality of service provided. I don't think it's fair for a waiter/waitress to go above and beyond for a customer and get paid the same amount as the server whose not nearly as professional. By telling the customer that the servers make $15 an hour, this tells,customers they don't need to tip and that wakes the extra service good servers provide gets thrown out the window.

            [–]BitcoinBoo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            I am confident that once you listen to the podcast you will change your mind. For example you dont mention any of the kitchen staff that works many times harder than the servers and makes a FRACTION of their take. They are finding that people with culinary degrees from these fancy institutes are unable to pay their loans with the pay they receive in the kitchen, so funny enough they end up as servers...Go listen.

            [–]BarefootBluegrass [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            I saved it for when I get to a computer. Is it playable from a droid device

            [–]Syzygye [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            Your manager deserves to be buried up to his neck and introduced to a crowd wearing steel toed boots.

            [–]BarefootBluegrass [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            And you should be admitted for psychiatric evaluation. That's a very reasonable response to being asked to tip the man who just delivered food to your doorstep so you didn't have to get up or put on pants.

            [–]hatestheinternet 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            So the boss is an asshole who won't pay a decent wage and bans customers because they won't make up for him being cheap?

            [–]DuckDuckLandMine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Welcome to the United States. It might be silly but it is how thing are done. In theory the food is a lower base price since less money since the employer pays less. I doubt it really works this way but whatever. Pretty much every food waiter/delivery person job works like this.

            [–]RYouNotEntertained 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I get what you're saying, but if the boss was forced to pay what you want him to pay, he'd probably just stop delivering. Then the delivery guy makes zero, or you'd have to pay way more for your pizza.