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If we chucked ethics out the window, what scientific breakthroughs could we expect to see in the next 5-10 years? (self.AskReddit)

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[–]Bagfullofwhales 319ポイント320ポイント  (86子コメント)

Look at how fast science was developing by German scientists when they tossed ethics out

[–]unit71 223ポイント224ポイント  (26子コメント)

Also Unit 731 gave no fucks

[–]A-real-walrus 118ポイント119ポイント  (15子コメント)

Most of our frostbite data comes from them I think

[–]DrZums 39ポイント40ポイント  (10子コメント)

Other way around I think. Germans gave us studies on the cold. From what I understand of it, 731's didn't follow scientific procedures and most of their results are garbage.

[–]bam2_89 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

They were useful enough for the leaders of the unit to trade the results for their lives.

[–]NeutralJuggler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Had to write a 20 page paper on this. Unit 731 gave information on how to properly defrost a body part using warm water and such. But most of their data was rubbish

[–]TrapLifestyle 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The way I've heard it, we traded immunity for scientific data regarding Unit 731. Feel free to correct me if that's kind of bullshit but that how I understand it.

[–]NSA-RAPID-RESPONSE 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pretty sure you're correct.

[–]A-real-walrus 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually, I just looked it up and it was German experiments in Dachau. Japanese did frostbite experiments. My mistake. Im editing my top comment for correctness.

[–]NSA-RAPID-RESPONSE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah. Well then glad you corrected the mistake, and now we both know.

[–]xthorgoldx 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unit 731's data was, in its entirety, useless. Their "methodology" was tuned more towards "How many people did this kill?" instead of "How did it kill them?" unless you count "It was effective because they're filthy Chinese" as valid results.

The Nazi data was also mostly worthless (due to lack of rigor), with the exception of the frostbite/altitude experiments - those were done with the intent of helping German sailors/pilots, so they actually paid attention to experimental procedure.

[–]pingike99 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

hmm mm those were some photos i wish i hadn't seen.

[–]PM_ME_CHEEKY_NANDOS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man. That is some read.

[–]bigboys1 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's Unit 731?

[–]xthorgoldx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Japanese bioweapons/chemical weapons unit from WW2. More so than the Nazis, they committed some of the worst war crimes of the war - injecting POWs/civilians with anthrax and plague, neurotoxic chemicals, and the like, and then doing vivisections on them while still alive and conscious. They carpet bombed many Chinese cities with experimental bombs carrying plague rats and smallpox-infected materials.

[–]ChaIroOtoko 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here, enjoy.

[–]GrubbsTavern 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That band rules

[–]homiesexuals 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lets see what happens when we throw a baby in the air and use it as target practice!

[–]MinatoCauthon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Less than that. You could say they gave sub-zero fucks.

[–]WhereverSheGoes -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

How I'd love to write "I give no fucks" on my next ethics proposal. I'm not even killing innocent humans.

[–]johnnybain 170ポイント171ポイント  (28子コメント)

Humans can achieve man great things as long as you don't give a fuck about a certain people. Need to build a huge pyramid? Just throw human death and suffering at it.

EDIT: it's from a Louis CK bit

[–]Thedeadlypoet 55ポイント56ポイント  (12子コメント)

Actually, the pyramids were built by paid workers who actually had pretty decent conditions.

They were fed and supplied with places to sleep, had accessed to what healthcare/healing was possible, and were in fact treated nicely since it was an honourable job to build the tomb of their pharao.

[–]pedrovic 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

They also had beer! I'd tolerate a pretty shitty job if they gave me beer.

[–]Cult_of_Slaanesh 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd do it for sex, even if I was the one getting fucked. Not much different than my government job anyways. At least I'd be doing something constructive though.

[–]Wh1teCr0w 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvote for grimdank username.

[–]Lying_idiot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget meat! When you are eating veggies all year, beer and meat is worth moving some rock for!

[–]rakust 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

but muh biblical truths

[–]ThatOneGuy8000 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Leave it to the Jews to invent receipts.

Edit: making a joke based on a bible story and newly found evidence gets me down voted? What the hell?

[–]Rokusi 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also, aside from the Bible, there is zero evidence of the Hebrews ever being in Egypt, much less enslaved and then led on the Exodus.

[–]ThatOneGuy8000 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

So then who did they get to build the pyramids?

[–]Rokusi 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Egyptian workers. The government used the public building programs as a sort of welfare system since the land could not be worked while the Nile was flooded. In addition, the Pyramid of Giza is believed to have been made by skilled and salaried workers.

[–]deschutron 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What, like a stimulus package?

[–]Rokusi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, no. More like the New Deal programs, but annual instead of in response to the Great Depression. You're an ancient King with a large section of population who have nothing to do and are probably running low on stored grain and beer, and so are getting rowdy. You also wish to construct great projects to convince people of your majesty and splendor and all that, so that they won't question why you get to be the one in charge. It's a win/win.

[–]mailslot -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aliens brah

[–]JusticeRings 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

Very little death and suffering went into the pyramids. Slavery was for house servants only who mostly prepared food. The workers were the farmers and craftsmen that had no work due to the annual Nile flood.

[–]Ulftar 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

And they were paid

[–]Anrikay 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

AND THEY GOT FREE BEER AND BREAD.

[–]Ulftar 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

actually that may have been the pay

[–]Anrikay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't even mind, my money is going towards beer anyway. At least that skips the middle man!

[–]XProAssasin21X 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but how else are you going to store grain?

[–]ArcanusFluxer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hi CK.

[–]rocketmantan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A good portion of human achievement has been built on slavery.

Shame we threw one of our most productive traditions away...

EDIT: should probably add that this is a joke.

[–]tripbin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gonna get a lot of shit done when we got robot slaves

[–]SuperSp00k 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Need a train track through that mountain? Just throw a bunch of Asians in a cave and blow em up.

[–]Rokusi 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Couldn't you get by just blowing up the cave? Why do you need the Asians in there?

[–]piezeppelin 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let me guess, you're not from the USA?

[–]Rokusi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maryland. Perhaps it's because I'm East Coast that I don't get it since the railroads were out west.

[–]SuperSp00k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The joke is that Asian immigrants were payed very little and worked with dynamite in dangerous conditions to build railroads across America. It's the second part of Louis CK's bit.

[–]PointyBagels 89ポイント90ポイント  (14子コメント)

I hope this is sarcasm, because almost all of the Nazi "experiments" yielded no meaningful data.

[–]HellonStilts 53ポイント54ポイント  (5子コメント)

Seriously, everyone likes to go on a contrarian wank about how the Nazis were good scientists if nothing else, but of all their experiments, the only thing that can be admitted as actual science were their experiments on human endurance, which IIRC has helped in the development of hypothermia treatment. Wow, what wonders they achieved when they threw out ethics.

[–]PointyBagels 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep, unsurprisingly when your "scientists" are more interested in torture than science, you don't learn much.

[–]wilc8650 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh... shit. I've been doing it wrong this whole time...? Better go tell Gary he can go home...

[–]APiousCultist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really entirely down to a lack of ethics. Had more to do with hiring blood thirsty sadistic maniacs instead of legitimate scientists.

[–]Galle_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, in practice, "blood thirsty sadistic maniacs" and "lack of ethics" are often linked.

[–]butitsme1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No ethical quandries here, but they were really good at making rockets.

[–]IngrownPubez 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

I came into this thread knowing this bullshit was coming. /r/ShitWehraboosSay would like this thread.

[–]xahnel 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

How the fuck do you pronounce wehraboo?

[–]BraveDude8_1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wear-ah-boo? Vair-ah-boo?

[–]acwarren492 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's a portmanteau of Wehrmacht and Weaboo, if that helps.

[–]loves-reading 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, there really is a subreddit for everything.

[–]SnakeEater14 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Goddamn do I love that sub.

[–]Tko38 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Day 60, still no data. Maybe I should stab his kidneys again.

[–]lemonbox63 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe injecting bleach into his eyes will help achieve...whatever it is I'm trying to do.

[–]IngrownPubez 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, what did they discover? That freezing people to death makes them dead?

[–]Teblefer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What science? They didn't learn shit from human experiments

[–]originalpoopinbutt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wasn't! Holy fuck, this is such a failure of history education. The German scientists learned almost fucking nothing. Almost every experiment was just sadistic torture that yielded no useful information.

[–]HandsomeModel 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why are so many people on reddit down with Nazis?

[–]lemonbox63 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

'Cool' uniforms, historical revisionism, eugenics, racism.

[–]ThinkThingsThroughOk -5ポイント-4ポイント  (9子コメント)

Those same scientists are the reason we walked on the moon...

Look up/google "Operation Paperclip".

[–]PointyBagels 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not really. Those were rocket scientists, who had nothing to do with the "science" that was more like thinly veiled torture.

[–]ThinkThingsThroughOk -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

So you're saying its impossible for one scientific field to benefit from the advancement of other fields? Yeah okay.

[–]Galle_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm fairly sure that von Braun's rocketry research did not depend on knowing what happens when you connect a man's esophagus directly to his intestines.

[–]ThinkThingsThroughOk -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You have zero proof that the Nazi scientists didn't communicate with each other and show their findings on their results amongst the Nazi community.

[–]Galle_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have perfect proof that Mengele didn't help von Braun in the slightest:

  • Mengele performed sadistic "experiments" on humans.
  • von Braun built rockets.
  • Rockets are not humans.
  • Therefore, Mengele's experiments did not help von Braun.

[–]PointyBagels 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm saying that the glorified torturers had nothing to do with going to the moon. And they didn't advance any fields. They learned a little bit about hypothermia but nothing we couldn't have figured out by other means.

[–]OverkillerSRB 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

They are talking about unethical science practices.

Rocket science and engineering are not one of those.

[–]ThinkThingsThroughOk -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes knowingly making the V2 rockets that would be used on civilians in the UK wasn't unethical at all.

[–]OverkillerSRB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was war, making weapons is not a war crime. What mengele did is a war crime.