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I made friends with a Christian. He is really awesome person, expect for that he won't stop trying to convert me to Christianity. (self.Christianity)

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[–]Emergentnon-troll_account 14ポイント15ポイント  (18子コメント)

This sounds like most Christians I have known my whole life though, having grown up in American Evangelicalism. "who in your life can you think of who needs jesus? what will you do this week to help bring jesus in their life?"

[–]Christian (Cross)hpsauceman 2ポイント3ポイント  (17子コメント)

There is this forced kind but also sometimes people genuinely just want you to know God. That's surely a good thing?

[–]Searchinglady_wildcat 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

Not if you are an atheist who thinks it is a lie and delusion.

[–]Christian (Cross)hpsauceman 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

But the intention is innocent enough. Fundamentally nobody can be 100% but that doesn't mean no one can share their honest viewpoint surely?

[–]Searchinglady_wildcat 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

Just because your intent is good doesn't mean your actions are. If you have good intentions but bad actions, you tend to apologize for the bad acts rather than justify

[–]Christian (Cross)hpsauceman 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

But all you really have to rely on are honest intentions?

Imagine you were running and I thought I could see that you were ruining towards a cliff. Imagine I push you over and you are a little bruised... Either I was right, you see that and say 'thanks'; you don't see it and say 'why did you push me?!'; I am mistaken, you ask 'why' but I'm still deluded; or I see I'm mistaken and should say sorry.

If in that moment I am sure that is what's happening then my intentions were honestly good, at the end of the day that's the best you can hope for. The loss of being a little bruised is less than the chance of falling off a cliff. Ultimately the truth is independent of our perception of it (I can't say 100% if there is a cliff there) and each of us just have to do the best with what we can see.

(PS I'm in no way justifying aggressive evangelism, I'm just illustrating a point. All these things should be done with gentleness and respect)

[–]Searchinglady_wildcat 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

The problem is that the person says "there is no cliff" and gets back up and you push them again, and the same thing keeps happening

[–]Christian (Cross)hpsauceman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, I think you should be very respectful. People are ultimately free to choose their own steps.

[–]Assemblies of GodClockSpiral -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Some folks need ta run off of this metaphorical cliff before any real understanding can take place. We cannot be a safety gate fer people, we can only be the medics that help lift and administer healthpacks ta those who want it.

The gospel should not be a forced thing, but an invited thing.

[–]Searchinglady_wildcat 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I thought the cliff in this scenario was hell

[–]Assemblies of GodClockSpiral 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It could just as easily be a corrupt lifestyle, where once a person falls into it, they may not survive the fall, but it is their decision ta make as an individual. If they do survive, they will most likely look up and realize that was a really stupid thing ta do, and look ta get helped out of their predicament, and look back knowingly of the edge of the cliff.

[–]Emergentnon-troll_account 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't find such a distinction meaningful. Most of the time, Christians who are always trying to convert their non-christian friends genuinely want them to know God, because they're genuinely scared of letting them spend all eternity in hell.

[–]Christian (Cross)hpsauceman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess the distinction in my mind is wanting to convert someone to earn brownie points (with God or your Church) or just wanting to introduce someone to God because you love them both (like wanting to introduce two friends you really like)

[–]JakeT-life-is-great [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Would you react the same way with the atheist that every time you meet tries to convince you to chuck religion.? That invites you to atheist events where people try to change your mind? They think they are doing a good thing also.

[–]Christian (Cross)hpsauceman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think either way it massively depends on how they do it, and why I think they're doing that. If they suggested I 'chuck' my religion they probably won't get far but if we had a reasonable conversation about atheism in general then that's a conversation I'd be very willing to have. I'm not sure I'd go somewhere quite like you described but I'd be interested to go to one of the atheist churches that have sprung up here in London.

I don't think this is a christian / atheist thing, more just being a generally reasonable person thing.

[–]TiannaOcelot 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is this forced kind but also sometimes people genuinely just want you to know God. That's surely a good thing?

yes, and they will likely also be the sort to back off if your intentions on the matter are clear. in a context with a person like that, after two to four offerings, I'd probably mention I'm not likely to ever accept that offer or similar, and would prefer to keep our friendship to the established context.

[–]Christian (Cross)hpsauceman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

sure, sounds reasonable