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[–]RittermeisterFarbenjaeger 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's just . . . bullshit. I don't exactly know what else to say. Victors don't write history; historians do. Historians use sources to write history, and those sources don't disappear when an army is defeated (though countless historians have suffered cirrhosis due to the Confederate and German Armies burning records). If historians were so biased in favor of the victors, we wouldn't have gotten things like the Lost Cause school of Civil War historiography, or the now-discredited German-dominated narrative of the Ostfront.

Your friend is stupid and he should feel bad.

[–]sfurbo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Historians use sources to write history, and those sources don't disappear when an army is defeated

Just to elaborate, there are some examples of the winners writing the history: when the losers had no writing. Then, the sources did disappear with the army. As I understand, this was the case with a lot of the tribes going up against the Roman empire. But it hasn't been relevant for a thousand years.

Of course, it also becomes "history is written by the writers", which is less satisfying.

[–]somenbjornAxis would have won if it wasn't for reality. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Korean war has no winner as such nothing was ever written about that conflict.

Victors write history, thats why all books you find about Vietnam will focus soley on the communist perspective.

See how stupid it gets? No the victors dont write history. Germany comes out of ww2 looking like bad guys because the entire fighting an aggressiv war of expansion based on ideas of racial superiority

[–]yellowcedar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's one of those things that sounds nice and you hear so much that it that it's just sort of accepted as being true.

It's a phrase completely devoid of meaning and is pretty much used by people whose side they feel has been discredited by the popular narrative. It's also a way to discredit the popular narrative without actually saying anything of substance.

I think a much more accurate phrase would be "history tends to focus on the victors".

In no way has history writing precedence ever been included in any surrender terms in any war I've heard of.

[–]Goatf00t [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think that this has been already covered by /r/askhistorians and /r/badhistory. Look at their wikis.