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Red Pill TheoryNazis are Followers (self.TheRedPill)

Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe が 投稿

Introduction

The Red Pill is based on the idea that you develop a strong Frame which then becomes a platform to execute skilled Game.

There is no following in Red Pill.

Body

Let's go back in time to 100 years ago...

In 1918 the Communists came to power in Russia.

In 1919 the Nazi party came into existence in Germany.

At the time there were still many Monarchies in existence so the modern world hadn't really emerged yet and these were the new concepts at the time.

The unifying characteristic of Communism and Fascism (Nazi) is that the model for the citizen is to be a follower.

The Blue Pill is our present day emotional indoctrination process which through all the current technologies (tv, news, movies, internet, schools, etc) attempts to achieve the same goal which is to create a now global citizen who is a follower.

A follower is a beta... a slave.

When a young man comes here to the Red Pill after having first realized that the Blue Pill is a fraud and a mythology his first inclination is anger. We accept this as the "Anger Phase".

There is danger in this moment.

At this critical point of awakening when the anger is highest the still mostly beta mind is vulnerable to the Scapegoat Mechanism.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/girard/

Here it's possible to block the path of self improvement through the Red Pill and redirect the energy of all that anger toward a third object.

What does this do?

Well, it halts the Red Pill enlightenment process because the beta in the Anger Phase gets his emotions directed away from the real issue which is that the error was being a follower in the first place.

Conclusion

Following is central to all suppressed consciousness ideologies.

Red Pill makes a blanket statement that we do not follow.

This even applies to the Men's Rights Movements.

 

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[–]throwawayyourliberty 67ポイント68ポイント  (18子コメント)

It is like a clickbait. Not only communism and fascism is structured by many followers and few leaders. You can state that every group and every ideology is filled with followers and only few leaders. Why? Because it is human nature. We have to structure groups to establish stability and functionality. Also in TRP are followers (readers and contributors) and leaders (mods and Gaylubeoil).

I do support though your warning of the scapegoat mechanism. Especially here, people tend to blame women too much and therefore focusing all their energy externally. I do think people are where they belong in their progress. Most people just need time and learn to progress out of the anger and scapegoat zone.

[–]BurritoHunter 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

I believe the point is that TRP should teach men how to become leaders in their own right, not followers.

[–]TheSupr3m3Justic3 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

TRP shouldn't do anything of the sort. The tools are here for any man to use, how he uses the tools are of his own doing. Free will mixed with knowledge for you to make your own path.

[–]Red_SoloCup 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

By making the conscious decision to use the tools however you want, you become a leader. Whether or not people follow you is dependent on how you use the tools.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was my point.

 

[–]Doctor_OfReddit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So that they follow your directions? Genius...

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do support though your warning of the scapegoat mechanism.

If only this were the thrust of the post, or the connection made clear, or the advice made relevant, or the facts truthful and honest.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

The Feminists do the same thing blaming "toxic masculinity".

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

Therefore what? Are feminists fascism also?

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

The topic is "followers".

SJW's, Feminists, Nazis, Communists, they are all in one way or another emotionally manipulated to think as they do so that the end product is a "follower".

My point was that Red Pill really (on the deeper level) is about increasing your consciousness. Frame gives the solid ego boundry that rejects bad ideas. Game gives you the power to get what you want and not feel need based on another persons will.

So yeah... all followers are slave minded.

Monty Python: Life of Brian (followers) - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym-k5viJ7tA

Monty Python - Life of Brian - You're all different - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVygqjyS4CA

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

SJW's, Feminists, Nazis, Communists, they are all in one way or another emotionally manipulated to think as they do so that the end product is a "follower".

Being that "follower" mentality is human nature and can be found in literally any group you could name, what makes the comparison between these particular groups meaningful?

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

We use the word "beta" all the time and it means "follower".

An "orbiter" is a guy that follows a girl around and acts like he's in orbit of her.

It's like something very, very obvious isn't clicking for you.

Red Pill basically makes you the "mover and shaker", the leader, and women then follow your lead.

You might be overthinking this... following is slave behavior.

It's very simple.

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

following is slave behavior

To some extent I agree with this.

We use the word "beta" all the time and it means "follower".

But that isn't really a complete picture of the word. Beta is a reference to sexual strategy based on provisioning, appealing to the less desirable half of womens' sexual strategy. You're hijacking TRP terms on behalf of your political ideology.

You're also ignoring all questions which go towards the substance of your argument. I'll bring up three:

"SJW's, Feminists, Nazis, Communists, they are all in one way or another emotionally manipulated to think as they do so that the end product is a "follower"..." Being that "follower" mentality is human nature and can be found in literally any group you could name, what makes the comparison between these particular groups meaningful?

"A civilization is measured by the average enlightenment of it's citizens..." In what context is a civilization measured in this way? Who measures it that way? Anthropologically speaking, that is not what defines or qualifies civilization.

"Each year, each day, each hour things get darker... less enlightened... on average." ...and this process has been noticeably in effect for at least one hundred years." What criteria are you using to determine that people are getting less enlightened on average over the last 100 years? By literally every possible means of measuring this question, your statement is the opposite of true. Are you just an old man shaking his fist at the world because "it's going to shit?"

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

DarkEnlightenment.

There is an entire body of work devoted to the topic.

It's a reddit sub... I haven't been there for months though.

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right but this is TRP, not dark enlightenment. I don't care about them, and you shouldn't expect people to be fluent in a different subreddit to make sense of what you're trying to say.

I'm going to repeat to you this question once more just so that it's clear to the readers of this sub just how hard you're trying to ignore it:

you:

SJW's, Feminists, Nazis, Communists, they are all in one way or another emotionally manipulated to think as they do so that the end product is a "follower"..."

me:

Being that "follower" mentality is human nature and can be found in literally any group you could name, what makes the comparison between these particular groups meaningful?

I don't care that you got stickied because your political leanings jive with that of the mods. Any person who hides from basic clarifying questions about their point of view induces the suspicion in others that he is either lying or doesn't understand what he's talking about.

And I say this as someone who was 100% receptive, willing, and even eager to consider your point of view until the above suspicion crept into my mind as well as a result of your refusal (or inability) to answer basic clarifying questions.

[–]Endorsed ContributorModified_Hackware 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is quite the neat example given the topic.

[–]TheThingsIThink 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They daily show hit Trump on aggressive masculinity, like it was a bad thing. Being aggressive is one of the defining components of masculinity. Women want to be aggressively taken, game animals need to be aggressively taken, opportunity needs to be aggressively taken.

[–]DeltaRecon2552 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Anyone who uses TRP correctly is a leader though. Because the RP is nothing more than a tool set. It's not a cult or a groupthink. It's merely a toolset to become whatever you want to be. It's a toolset of truths to make you you're own leader.

At least that's my $0.02. I think of GLO and the contributors as Masters of a trade. And the rest of us are apprentices learning and growing. Being a humble apprentice until mastery is easily the most alpha task in life. It requires so much of you.

[–]AnotherMansOpinion 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Was there a point to this rambling other than to use the word 'nazi' as clickbait?

[–]licklicklickmyballz 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

This post isn't very well thought through. As /u/down_with_whomever pointed out, this can be appropriated for any ideology.

This sounds more like a statement against communism, fascism and the current western political structure, which is fair enough.

Humans are a social animal and everyone is a follower to some degree. The gears of civilization simply would not turn if this were not the case and your assertion that being a follower is beta and makes you a slave is ludicrous.

The red pill makes no blanket statements and is simply a metaphor for the truth.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

The gears of civilization simply would not turn if this were not the case and your assertion that being a follower is beta and makes you a slave is ludicrous.

A civilization is measured by the average enlightenment of it's citizens.

Children begin life as followers... all children imitate as their default.

So the cycle of life is always refreshing the pool with lower consciousness as the older wiser ones die out.

The Blue Pill suppresses consciousness through it's emotional indoctrination so it's effect is a global average reduction in enlightenment.

We can say:

"Each year, each day, each hour things get darker... less enlightened... on average."

...and this process has been noticeably in effect for at least one hundred years.

"Peak Enlightenment" occured at the beginning of "The Enlightenment" and one can argue that it was during "The Enlightenment" itself that the redirection began.

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

A civilization is measured by the average enlightenment of it's citizens.

In what context is a civilization measured in this way? Who measures it that way? Anthropologically speaking, that is not what defines or qualifies civilization. The actual definition is much closer to specialization of labor than by "average enlightenment" which is something that I gaurantee you could never give a meaningful definition for if pressed. It's also central to your line of thinking and you never explained what you think it means.

"Peak Enlightenment" occured at the beginning of "The Enlightenment" and one can argue that it was during "The Enlightenment" itself that the redirection began.

You're blatantly making shit up about history and connecting dots willy nilly. Everything you are saying begs more questions than it answers. What do you think "peak enlightenment" means, and why would you put it at the beginning of "the enlightenment"? What do you think the beginning of the enlightenment means, since different countries in Early Modern Europe experienced this process in different ways? And why do you think that a society consisting of primarily illiterate peasants living in an era of absolute monarchy were somehow the peak of human social development?

And this statement...

"Each year, each day, each hour things get darker... less enlightened... on average." ...and this process has been noticeably in effect for at least one hundred years.

What criteria are you using to determine that people are getting less enlightened on average over the last 100 years? By literally every possible means of measuring this question, your statement is the opposite of true. Are you just an old man shaking his fist at the world because "it's going to shit?" Because that appears to be the extent of your reasoning. It's more than clear that you're coming to conclusions based on some personal ideology that you have, and that's fine. We can share our ideological positions but we ought to be held to honesty in doing so.

I have to reiterate that we at TRP should not have to resort to distorting facts to make our case. We shouldn't pretend we understand history when we don't and in doing so unintentionally lie about what history means, we shouldn't misuse facts to draw conclusions that don't actually lead from those facts. It benefits none of us to allow our conversation to become intellectually dishonest. There are plenty of outlets on the internet where politically charged, factually devoid ranting is the norm. This ought not become one of them.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I forget that others have never read DarkEnlightenment.

You would find hundreds of pages there.

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, we have to read hundreds of pages on another subreddit to make sense of what you're trying to say?

You're not able to articulate your own point of view on your own?

[–]licklicklickmyballz 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is what I mean, you are making a statement about the current order of things. Your original post does not adequately explain what your point is and you need to go back to the drawing board to figure out what it is you are trying to say.

Directing people to another subreddit is not good enough and this post being propped up by the mods is insulting to the community.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Again... video... video... video... and let's get the baseline established.

No sense wasting time with preliminaries.

 

[–]Losendos100 28ポイント29ポイント  (21子コメント)

I enjoyed thinking about your post. But I mostly disagree.

Being a subscriber to any specific ideology doesn't make you a 'Beta or Blue Pill' on it's own, but rather the content of the ideology you follow makes you a Beta/BP.

To say that (for example) the Nazi-National Socialist movement is 'Blue Pill' is demonstrably untrue. Yes, they were totalitarian and demanded that it's citizens subscribed to bizzare concepts involving pagan blood-myths and racial purity, but their social policy was one of the most Red Pill ever conceived. A fiscally conservative, quazi-laissez-faire capitalist market with limited socialism, and open encouragement of business and trade. Socially they were against ideals that they saw eroded the foundation of civilization (Homosexuality, mass immigration, fundamentalist religion etc...). They even openly sponsored the "Kinder, Kutcher, Kirche" (Child, Kitchen, Church) ideology for the role of women in society, as they recognised that basically they're the only thing that most women are useful for, unlike in our current society where we have effectively created a rod for our own back by letting the fairer sex into the work force.

It's just that in this age the global paradigm is shifting to a more leftist, anti-masculine one, so it seems to people like you and me that to be a follower of a set doctrine means that you are a beta, because the most NOTICABLE and widespread doctrine we constantly have shoved down our throats is the feminist cock of omniscience. So in essence there's a conformation bias in todays world. REAL and PRACTICAL ideologies still exist, it's just that you never hear them because the media is so obsessed with black-lives-matter and anti-rape protests.

There is nothing wrong with being a 'follower'. It's just what you follow that matters.

[–]Momo_dollar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being a subscriber to any specific ideology doesn't make you a 'Beta or Blue Pill' on it's own, but rather the content of the ideology you follow makes you a Beta/BP.

Actually I think its more about the rational / thinking of the individual and less about the ideology. One ideology can be interpreted or understood a million different ways depending on how the follower hears about it and their own experience. The weak follow or do out of a sense of compulsion, the strong follow or do out of genuine conviction.

[–]BurritoHunter 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're missing the point. You can gain knowledge from an ideology or a specific leader, without completely subscribing to their views.

A man should heed the council of other wise men, but the goal should always be to surpass those who have taught you, and add on to their lessons.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with learning new things and then deciding if those new ideas have value and then choosing to use them.

Following is more closely linked to emotional indoctrination where your emotions get addicted to something that is actually bad for you because you never took a close look at it objectively.

"Great artists steal."

 

[–]nice_guy_bot_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

OP, instead of calling your post dumb, I'll ask you a couple of questions to flesh out your theory about political systems and their followers. Are Chinese people followers or alphas? What about Likudnik Israelis. What people that live in multiculti-feminsist liberal democracies - like Canada, America, much of Western Europe and support their governments actions. What about Russians that support Putin? What about Trump supporters?

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

Political correctness limits your free speech.

Nazis had to follow the rules or be killed.

During Stalin's time many were killed just for the hint of resistance.

Those are the "obvious" cases.

I'm not saying you can't choose sides on things... this is necessary to do everything... but it's one thing to make choices and another to feel your following is an obligation or based on a threat.

Trump is not a follower which is why he gets in trouble.

 

[–]licklicklickmyballz 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

So are you saying being a follower based on your own vocation is beta or that following under threat is beta, or both?

Keeping your views to yourself in the workplace so you don't lose your job. Does this make you a beta follower?

[–]csehszlovakze 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

both imho

you need to disguise yourself in the blue pill world to survive (law 38)

[–]Endorsed Contributoradam-l 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

During Stalin's time many were killed just for the hint of resistance.

Note that this includes all of the Bolsheviks that spearheaded the Russian Revolution. In this regard, Stalinist "communism" was actually a counter-revolution against bolshevik communism.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

True.

Stalin was a complex psychopath with less ideological motives than the Bolsheviks.

Stalin was more like Saddam Hussein... a psychopath... but non-ideological.

 

[–]European_Resistance 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

You need to brush up on history. Most Germans where avid national socialist by the late 30's and adored Hitler. They weren't coerced by fear like Russians by Stalin.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's like saying:

"Most Americans are Blue Pill."

...while it's a true statement it says nothing of the cause of it.

In order to get people to the fully brainwashed Blue Pill condition there is a process of emotional indoctrination that is rooted in the fact people imitate each other by default.

It is because of imitation that the "herd" is guided to the slaughterhouse.

Another thought...

In Red Pill we talk about Killing the Beta and let's think of what that means. The beta enters as the guy who imitates others and absorbs his Blue Pill programming without any Frame or filter. We basically tell him to delete his programming... we ask him to "Kill the Beta" and think for himself.

I guess the questions become:

"Are beta's guilty because they follow (imitate) the Blue Pill?"

"Can we blame the sheep headed to the slaughter?"

"Do we blame the beta's for their lack of enlightenment?"

...it seems to me that the role of enlightenment is not valued and so as long as that is the case the criminal emotional indoctrinations continue to occur that suppress consciousness and create these scenarios.

The Red Pill is enlightenment... it's waking up.

Imagine a world where they taught people to be enlightened rather than "dumbed down".

 

[–]BrokenPangea 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I actually agree with you. The total realization of the red pill would mean that we are all striving to become leaders.

I like Trump because he acts/lives like I want to. But if I ever got the chance to knock him off his pedestal and take his place? I'd do it in a second. I have no allegiances.

I see the Red Pill as basically an information exchange. We're not here to help each other per se, its just that by sharing information we all have a better shot at edging out those who are not privy to said information.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But if I ever got the chance to knock him off his pedestal and take his place? I'd do it in a second.

And if you could be the greater Alpha then why not?

Notice how a dozen other guys didn't measure up to Trump.

It's unlikely you or I would be able to Game at his level.

 

[–]BurritoHunter 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Following becomes dangerous once a movement decides to idolize and deify their leader by disregarding all fact, allowing themselves to get caught up in a swirl of charisma and emotion. A man can support a political figure without being a follower.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Humans tend to deify everything. The church never disappeared, it just morphed into consumerism.

[–]Alanranks7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think what he is saying or maybe that I am interpreting, you should not go overboard and let a political, cultural, ideology define you, let it be an aspect of you.

[–]Kaiser_Willy 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

There weren't a lot of monarchies in Europe after WW1

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

True, but the "modern world" really didn't sink in until after WWII when the brainwashing had become perfected.

Before the Great Depression the brainwashing was very limited and most Americans were not interested in globalism and were nationalist.

Pearl Harbor (like 911) pushed people to follow the globalist thinking because of fear.

Globalists have two main tools... debt and war.

"The rich get richer... and more global."

 

[–]Kaiser_Willy 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't understand what you are talking about when you say brainwashing.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Back in the 1920's there was no television, no internet, no smartphones and many people living on a farm didn't even have phone service.

All information about the world (how it was perceived) was absorbed in church on sundays after a long week working the farm.

The closest thing to emotional indoctrination was newspapers.

In the modern era the newspaper has almost disappeared and I know I stopped getting one at least a decade ago if not two decades by now.

So if you were a globalist with a Blue Pill agenda to disrupt a culture back then it was very difficult to spread those ideas around.

Communication was slower and cultures were more stable because of it.

Today the globalists will simply decide that transsexuals are cool and do a quick media blitz and in no time everyone is worshipping a dude who wants to be a chick.

The Blue Pill using modern technology makes reprograming beta followers very easy and inexpensive.

That's another thing...

The costs came down. The global elites can reprogram people these days for pennies while in the past it was expensive.

But the flip side is the Red Pill represents the enlightenment where we understand the "rich man's tricks" and are not so easily fooled. We erode the Blue Pill effectiveness.

DEFINITION OF A RED PILL MAN

"The man who no one can make into a fool."

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The closest thing to emotional indoctrination was newspapers.

and books, and radio, and education in schools, and regulating what people were allowed to speak publicly, and secret police disappearing people who said things that singled them out...

You're acting like indoctrination was something that Twitter and Facebook invented and pretending like the most intense and complete forms of indoctrination long predates any modern technology.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm 55 years old... Twitter didn't exist for me as a kid...

 

[–]aa223 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Technically the Red Pill is an ideology and it is an ideology I gladly follow. Here is the thing no matter what you do in life you will be following something. However, as men we need to take charge in whatever we are in. Whether it is ourselves, jobs, or relationships we need to take charge and not follow.

We follow the literature of others and advice of people more experienced than us so we can be the new generation of leaders. We shouldn't be blind to one thing but saying we do not follow when really that is the thing we are doing is semi-contradictory.

I do follow your message of not being blind to just one person or ideology. We need to know multiple perspectives before deciding what path we ultimately want to follow. I think we should just keep an open mind and filter out any ideas that may hinder our growth.

[–]PragmaticRedTruth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not an ideology. It's a praxeology.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Technically the Red Pill is an ideology and it is an ideology I gladly follow.

It's possible you have a shallow understanding then.

How can a person who masters Game be a follower of an ideology?

Game means you invent thoughts in others that are to your benefit.

Game means you lead women through the dance of life.

An ideology is something given to you by others.

The Red Pill is supposed to inspire your unique Game... to assist in your creative mastery over things.

If the Blue Pill wasn't winning so much (essentially erasing consciousness globally) then the Red Pill wouldn't exist.

 

[–]aa223 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can a person who masters Game be a follower of an ideology?

The person learned game from someone. But if you mean in a political context well we all believe in some ideology.

Game means you invent thoughts in others that are to your benefit.

Game means you lead women through the dance of life.

This is the ideology of PUAs. Using game to eventually get the appropriate result. I am not shunning game by any means just saying that these are beliefs held by you.

An ideology is something given to you by others.

Exactly. It isn't like everyone was born with all of these ideas and decided that they would say this or that. Ideas just like the Red Pill or since it is an ideology was given to us by the community who have more experience than we do and used tried and true methods to make what is the Red Pill.

The Red Pill is supposed to inspire your unique Game... to assist in your creative mastery over things.

The Red Pill is supposed to lift the veil and give you the idea that life isn't all sunshine and rainbows. It is there to break you and then rebuild you. It is a toolbox but it also has certain beliefs such as the belief that women prefer to be submissive or women would gladly share a person in the top 10%. Once again, I'm not saying any of it is wrong since I too subscribe to those beliefs.

If the Blue Pill wasn't winning so much (essentially erasing consciousness globally) then the Red Pill wouldn't exist.

Newton's third law: for every reaction there is an opposite and equal one. If the Blue Pill wasn't there then so wouldn't the Red Pill. Since it is there then the Red Pill would have existed in one form or another. After all, an ideology isn't without its opposite which is what the Red Pill and Blue Pill are. They are opposite ideologies that people follow.

So saying that "There is no following in the Red Pill" does a disservice deluding us from thinking it is an ideology, and it does a disservice to all the people who had to go to hell and back to bring us the info and essentially make the foundation which is the Red Pill which we follow today. So there is following in the Red Pill and we follow in order to become better future leaders and overall become better men.

[–]greatslyfer 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

TIL that agreeing with others and having discussions about a topic means you're beta... wtf man

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a difference between give and take and being a follower.

The slave follows orders blindly... it's what the beta does.

Watch what happens when a girl orders a beta orbiter around... he just obeys.

 

[–]Momo_dollar 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Following the narrative that you are fed by the media, politicians, and history as written by the victor is the ultimate sign of being a follower. Especially when you don't even have to try very hard to notice the discrepancies between the narrative and the reality.

"The truth is so obvious it takes a very good education not to know it"

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The truth is so obvious it takes a very good education not to know it"

You get it.

What happens is history gets taught first emotionally then they pick and choose the facts to match the overall indoctrination.

If you go back and gather a wider set of data points using your own research you avoid the emotional traps being set for you and become able to gather a more real perspective.

Now it's always possible that the original sources are flawed... so that's yet another layer to worry about.

 

[–]Zealous_One 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Dont try to mix our broscience with history, we just lose credibility. Without the mods helping hand post would be deep down under where it belongs.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was trying to free the Red Pill from any association with Neo-Nazi groups.

Just a few days ago I had a full bore self proclaimed Nazi sending me dozens of private emails hoping to convert me to having a Neo-Nazi viewpoint.

These people do exist and it's important for Red Pill readers to not just understand that we don't agree with them, but more importantly why we disagree.

The Red Pill is at root an exercise in raising consciousness and developing your full potential as a masculine polarity man.

These "movements" only create beta followers.

We don't need a movement... we need self improvement.

 

[–]Zealous_One -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hard denying we are not only makes it seem more we are, or that TRP has some sympathy for them. They came, they went, some small similarities exist, they're all dead now and we aint trying to bring them back. End of story, libtards can tryhard all they want. You could also focus on Nazis blaming Jews for everything, finding a scapegoat, while TRP states individual is responsible for pretty much all that happens to him.

[–]Icaria25 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When did TRP started to care about appearance.. it's supposedly unapologetic.

And if you find that someone in your life is causing you troubles, you cut him. And if "you" are a state, the logic doesn't change. I ain't gonna talk about nazis but, Hitler did first try to just evacuate jews. Shit storm ensued, drastic decisions were made to face the problem.

That said i'm pretty sure he was an elite psy-op but that doesn't change the fact his decisions early on were mostly legit based on german situation. Later he revealed himself for what he was.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 30ポイント31ポイント  (42子コメント)

I love all of your posts but you need to find a way to sugar coat them in bro language before shoving them up Red Pill ass. Otherwise the downvote party is going to continue.

[–]RedSugarPill 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think /u/NeoreactionSafe gives a shit about downvotes. I sure as fuck don't.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

The more upvoted your post the more people read it which is the whole point.

[–]TheThingsIThink -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

the whole point.

IM and NRS put out weighty stuff and bro speak will not help people digest it if they are not ready to digest it. The language gives it credibility. Its like picking between Longfellow's Divine Comedy translation and reading one where they modernize the verbiage and put Clinton in the second circle with the rest of the lustful. It shows as a shitty copy.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've got 10k plus upvotes... at this point only the truth matters.

In fact that's been true most of the way.

 

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (20子コメント)

Otherwise the downvote party is going to continue.

Good thing TRP isn't a democracy. I've stickied this now, so it's going to be at the top whether closet fascists want it there or not.

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 46ポイント47ポイント  (12子コメント)

There are reasons to downvote this post beyond being a "closet fascist."

I didn't downvote it. But I'm tired of people making TRP claims about history using a one dimensional caricature of history which only barely resembles reality, and even then because they are taken out of the context of what those things actually meant historically. I don't find it useful nor insightful, especially the things which people here say about communism and fascism. Most of the time, they are talking out their ass and don't understand either.

It became trendy for a lot of people on here to talk about Fascism like it was the original TRP. Like Nazi germany was cool and manly. I've seen it again and again and I'm sure you have too. Now this post is talking about fascism as the original beta/follower? Goodness gracious, fascism is everything these days isn't it?

And in this particular post, some kind of allusion is hinted at but never actually stated. Communism and fascism = being a follower (as were a major part of religions and political ideologies for the masses which ever existed but let's pretend for a moment we don't know that)... and blue pill consumerist conditioning = being a follower also. Therefore what? What is the purpose of this half assed comparison to fascism and communism... to suggest that they both scapegoat? But the act of scapegoating is neither unique to fascists/communists nor beta consumerists in the anger phase.

Again - there are a lot of reasons not to upvote this than being a closet fascist. Indeed the whole point of the post, as summarized in the end, is that we at TRP don't follow. Well, I don't follow the constant godwin's-law-ification of everything.

Most people here understand very little about about 1915-1945 history in Europe outside of the pop culture stereotypes of this era, and references to this period bring up in peoples' minds their pop culture Hollywood stereotype understanding of what this era means. To say "nazis are followers" could easily be substituted for nearly "[anything else] are followers" and it would have been almost equally true, without the click-baity shock value that the word Nazi brings. That might be entertaining, sure, but I don't come to TRP to be entertained.

Edit: I want to add that I think NeoreactionSafe is a great writer and most of the time I really enjoy reading what he has to contribute. I'm not suggesting he doesn't understand TRP or is a poor writer. My issue is with what I see as false historical analogies. I also think that if this post were written by a new user instead of a mod with name-recognition that it would be scoffed at and dismissed as incomplete or unclear.

[–]1thiasus 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

Most people here understand very little about about 1915-1945 history in Europe outside of the pop culture stereotypes of this era

For example, stating that the modern world hadn't emerged by 1918 because there were still 'many' monarchies is retarded: only Italy, Bulgaria and Romania were monarchies in 1918 and now aren't (Spain, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and Sweden still are), and all monarchies at that point were constitutional monarchies with the king or queen as figurehead while the elected government and parliament ruled the country.

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

The fact that nobody else is holding OP to the facts, historically, is really not a good thing. This is TRP. We shouldn't be distorting the truth or lazily using half-truths to make our case.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (6子コメント)

I was saying the Blue Pill emotional indoctrination system was yet to be developed and deployed in the West.

Think of those times in America...

People still lived in small towns and were not yet exposed to Hollywood and the school system was run locally. The access of the people by the Blue Pill was very low.

After WWII and especially with the arrival of tv the Blue Pill brainwashing became something big.

I'm 55 years old. I watched Black and White tv for a decade as a kid !!!

There was no internet.

It was more difficult for globalists to do the brainwashing.

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

You're doing an expert job of avoiding all direct questions that press the facts that you give.

No one is going to argue that blue pill conditioning wasn't such a thing in the old days. This is true, and there is a lot of useful things to learn from it.

It's the extent to which you recruit factual falsehoods and fallacies on your behalf that I am pressing you in this thread. You made historical comparison a central feature of your argument, the post above mine pointed out that you are blatantly wrong in the nature of how you described history, then you react as though your historical comparison had nothing to do with your argument.

Being old doesn't make you immune to facts.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm trying to see where you "aren't" seeing.

You've seen this right?

JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

...it's nice to begin with a solid baseline of agreement.

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm trying to see where you "aren't" seeing.

It's not me. There is a reason why your post is at zero. I've made it clear in every single one of my posts what problems I have with your logic and you've done nothing but evade them. Including in this case. How many comments down in this chain are we and you are still pretending that you haven't noticed people calling out your wrong facts about history? How many times have I asked you why you think this relationship between Nazis, Communism, and Feminism are unique when being a follower is a human nature tendency common to every group?

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

So you didn't see the video?

Okay, so that tells me you have no intention to dig deeper and are satisfied you have a valid belief without further thought.

I'm not here to force anything.

If you have a point of view that's different than mine that's fine with me... I don't really care.

"Go your own way"

 

[–]Seducibledotcom 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree, this post is terrible.

[–]MortalSisyphus 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

I understand your intention, but we need to be careful pigeonholing people under a "fascist" label anytime they make arguments people don't understand or agree with.

Honestly, I find it quite ironic NeoreactionSafe wrote this OP. His posts are the most cult-like, dogmatic ideas one can find on TRP, hands-down.

Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[–]FreeRadical5 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

He has some good posts here and there but most of his theories are on really flaky ground. It borders on embarrassing.

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we want to maintain the intellectual integrity of TRP we have to call out bullshit when we see it.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's a pretty old dude, I imagine his experiences are different from the typical young poster. That being said I rarely read any of these theory posts.

[–]foldpak111 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't take no shit off nobody.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Some do well, others not so much.

The title was likely to emotionally arousing. Given all the anti-Trump stuff lately where people call him Hitler it's gotten to the point we can't even face the reality of the tie period.

It's 100 years since those days (1918 - 1919) but it's still not clear in peoples minds that these "follower ideologies" emerged in parallel.

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

The flippant comparisons between Trump and Hitler are idiotic. I've always said so.

Flippant comparisons to Hitler are generally useless and usually made by people who don't understand history.

Yet you yourself are making one of those Godwin's law comparisons to fascism and I've been pressing you this entire thread to justify it. I'm yet to see any meaningful answer.

Which induces such a facepalm since you yourself are calling out the Godwin's law crowd when they're criticizing trump. But when you do it, we're all intended to just intuitively understand why the comparison is justified, yes?

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

You obviously aren't interested in watching the video.

That says you aren't interested... you are telling me how you see things presently.

I'm not interested in your views... you either take an interest in mine or don't.

If the roles were reversed I'd be quickly getting up to speed on whatever I needed to learn.

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is a really dishonest response. This entire thread is full of me asking you to explain what you're talking about, and you largely aren't. That's disinterest? What are you talking about?

Youtube, dark enlightenment, or any other internet source shouldn't have to do your job for you. You wrote this post with something to say.

I'm not interested in your views...

I don't expect that you are. But in this particular thread I'm not espousing any view except for intellectual honesty. Perhaps that's what you meant when you said you aren't interested in my views?

What I'm asking is very legitimate questions about your point of view and you keep pushing that responsibility onto youtube or dark enlightenment or something else to explain what you're trying to say because you aren't willing.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

...if you can at least make the first effort to comprehend by actually watching then we can discuss.

If your view of history lacks depth and insight then we can't discuss because we are too far apart. I can't "go back" once I've improved, so my only option is to bring you along.

Basically when you challenge you must prove equal or better knowledge.

 

[–]2MentORPHEUS 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

So... watch this three and a half hour video and we'll understand and agree; meanwhile you won't bother explaining your position or answering relevant questions?

This ain't my first Conspiracy Theory rodeo, and you're not the first conspiracy merchant I've dealt with who makes extraordinary claims, yet goes to extraordinary measures to avoid probing questions about the underpinnings of his claims. This isn't cool, edgy dark enlightenment, it's a strong surrogate indicator that you're dealing with a nutter.

This is the guy who made post after post about TRUMP in a thread about TRiUMPh the Insult Comic Dog, and when the error was pointed out, kept going on about Trump.

The OP's conclusion aligns with TRP principles, but his supporting evidence is weak, and he has repeatedly ignored and deflected good relevant questions about it throughout the thread. No idea why this is stickied.

ETA: Two questions for you, that should be answerable in a sentence or less. Is reading TRP and learning more about masculinity a form of "following?" Can Alpha Men form a hierarchical group and work together toward greater common interests without all but one considered a "follower?"

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

So... watch this three and a half hour video and we'll understand and agree; meanwhile you won't bother explaining your position or answering relevant questions?

We're at the end of the road here guy.

Either you invest the time to establish a baseline or you don't.

The history that you were taught is as Blue Pill as Feminism.

If you like the implications of the video then we will have much to agree upon and you will see me as a valued asset.

If you hate the video then our basis of reality is too far apart to discuss anything.

Game is a "rich man's trick" and has been since the dawn of time.

 

[–]2MentORPHEUS 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I spent enough time scanning the video to recognize that I've been exposed to much of this material before. It covers a lot of ground, many things I agree with, some things I certainly don't.

You haven't said ANYTHING in this entire thread that I haven't heard before, including the repeated dodgings of direct questions about your position and message.

Our impasse does not hinge upon this video. This post is something of a self-parody at this point. "Nazis are followers. Watch this long video, and either follow me 100% or I'll write you off from here forward."

It reminds me of the "Playing chess with a pigeon" concept. No matter how good of a chess player anyone is, you knock over the pieces, shit on the board, then fly off to strut about your 'victory.'

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I spent enough time scanning the video to recognize that I've been exposed to much of this material before.

Wait a second... really?

In the movie the Nazis are portrayed as an extension of the global elites that backed both sides of the war.

Hitler was simply a "convenient psychopath" in order to battle communism which had gone out of the control of the globalists when Stalin took over.

...youtube permits you having a kind of "Attention Deficit Disorder" and skipping through things by jumping forward.

The video takes three hors because he carefully connects all the dots in such a way that it's pretty much impossible not to see the message.

Maybe this shorter recent Alex Jones video can determine you views:

Did Nancy Believe The Bushes Shot Reagan - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BIXSQbSSV0

...when you understand the "Rich Man's Trick" video then this suddenly fits into place. All the details fit.

It's like the day you realized that Building 7 fell down on it's own on 911. Once you wake up you can't go back.

All three are related.

 

[–]-TempestofChaos- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love reposting that bit of a meme that President Obama's supporters did before that says "Until a President murders 5 million Jews, let's hold off on calling someone Hitler".

Drives 'em insane.

[–]PragmaticRedTruth -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

The reason his posts aren't upvoted heavily is the same reason he needs to explain this. People, even here, don't understand the larger picture and that's because they don't want to bother having to digest it. In all reality, they don't really give a fuck, and that's fine... That is, until they relapse or end up going back to their shit life after 5 months of improving.

They seek something for their life, then, use red pill knowledge as a means to obtain it. I doubt most are here for something like this.

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

People, even here, don't understand the larger picture and that's because they don't want to bother having to digest it.

This is smug, contrarian nonsense akin to the typical Reddit response "ITT other people stupid, me smart". People aren't rejecting this post because it contains hidden wisdom and we are too stupid of sheeple to swallow it (except for you, you saw the truth! right?). People are rejecting it for valid reasons explained elsewhere in this thread.

GLO can get away with jumping on board with it because of the weight of his name recognition and popularity. But that doesn't make him right, nor does it mean you should assume he's right without thinking critically about what he's saying.

Remember that one of the central points of Fight Club was actually to show how easily people can be manipulated by a strong but corrupt leader.

[–]PragmaticRedTruth -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

No. You're making an assumption here that I am stating my intelligence level is higher than others. I have no way of measuring that, nor do I care to.

I am stating that 90% of posts aren't based upon the larger picture like this one is. They are based on how to get a girl and how to get SMV higher; that's what I see and the boards/askTRP are flooded with it for proof.

When a post comes along like this, every college kid or otherwise who wants to improve his game, frame, and SMV overlooks this. Although I think OP could have been a better job drawing comparisons, I got his point and appreciated it for what it was. I think it's down voted because it doesn't have enough substance or enough for others to take from it. For me, I took away or thought about topics related to this, thus it was useful to me.

If it isn't a punchline or a new trick on how to do something better, people don't give a fuck. But, there are many areas of life to study and I can appreciate looking at things from new perspectives sometimes, without taking away anything more than that new perspective.

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

No. You're making an assumption here that I am stating my intelligence level is higher than others.

But you are, by making the assumption that the only reason people are rejecting this post is that they don't understand it. I've explained very clearly elsewhere in this thread why there are legitimate reasons to downvote this post.

I'm not suggesting everything on TRP should be about pussy crushing. Nobody loves big picture theory more than I do. But OP is not able to articulate his views clearly and that is reflected in people's response to it, including mine. To suggest that means that everyone (again, except you) didn't understand it is... not accurate.

Go check any of Illimitable Man's big picture posts. None of them had downvotes below zero, because his big picture has an actual message with a meaningful explanation. The problem isn't that it's big picture.

[–]PragmaticRedTruth -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

But we are not talking about Illimitable Man's posts right now, we are talking about this one. I didn't say that they didn't understand, I said they didn't care.

The unifying characteristic of Communism and Fascism (Nazi) is that the model for the citizen is to be a follower.

Stating here that communism is a method of common ownership where all members work together. The ones who benefit the most in communism isn't so much the people as it is that <1% who decided to make it communist.

The Blue Pill is our present day emotional indoctrination process which through all the current technologies (tv, news, movies, internet, schools, etc) attempts to achieve the same goal which is to create a now global citizen who is a follower.

Just as government and societal change from above had an impact on it's people and their way of life, Hollywood has had an impact on men today. Not only in male/female interaction, but everything we buy and do. Who we are as people.

A follower is a beta... a slave.

Not understanding the simple fact that people can be heavily influenced and exercising self awareness to prevent you from not independently thinking... you become a beta slave. The same pussy who was whipped and made getting clam his number one priority. So much so that he would be willing to change his life around to maintain a mate.

The rest is explanatory and from what I have read from the comments what people appreciated, so I am confused here...

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The unifying characteristic of Communism and Fascism (Nazi) is that the model for the citizen is to be a follower.

This is a very poor premise for an argument being that "follower" tendencies are central to human nature and every single group there is. OP admits that this is a human default himself elsewhere in the sub. I've have pressed him repeatedly , again and again, to explain why he thinks the relationship between these groups is special given that the tendency is not unique to them.

No answer was ever given.

[–]PragmaticRedTruth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you break free due to the Red Pill... that's the point. Whatever the reasoning is for the group, or what the group does, does not matter. It's the fact that they were sucked in... and here, you release yourself from that thinking.

[–]8n0n 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

At risk of being banned from this sub; I'll link this here for those wanting an alternative viewpoint on the hot potato mentioned above.

http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/

You have been lied to all your lives about women and feminism; what else have you been lied to about?

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love connecting the dots:

Did Nancy Believe The Bush's Shot Reagan - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BIXSQbSSV0

JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

 

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

what else have you been lied to about?

Do you want to take a crack at answering your own question? Arguments are much more satisfying to listeners when they are stated rather than implied.

[–]DysfunctionalBrother 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

In order to be a good leader don't you need to be a good follower first of many to be able to learn from them how to be a good leader?

I see the red pill as a Community that helps itself and others by sharing ideas and knowledge, so we are not following or leading here, we are doing both by sharing our perspectives and learning from each others perspectives.

It is not Beta to be a follower. Is it beta to be a student learning from a master? No. If your not thinking for yourself and accept everything the master tells you because he is 'the master' then your a beta. Not thinking for yourself is true mind slavery and is not the same as being a follower.

[–]Paradigmond 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wrote down a quote from The Millionaire Mind:

Getting along today is the foundation for becoming a leader tomorrow.

There's the blue pill path to mediocrity and the red pill path to excellence, but both start with successfully interacting with others and inverting that skill into game.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you figure a way to live without serving a master, any master, then let the rest of us know, will you? For you'd be the first person in the history of the world.

Red Pill makes a blanket statement that we do not follow.

I follow the blood that flows through my veins. Because if I wouldn't, my soul would bleed until it would be all empty.

[–]nia_kills 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is this stickied?

Any theorie with nazis in it by a non-historian is BS. We're talking about 1930 with so much confidence we dont notice the büllkrap that flies out... maybe its a different vision in the US than in Europe i guess

[–]bnine_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's quite interesting to compare communists with nazis from TRP perspective.

While you can find a lot of red pill attitude in nazi ideology and even more RP truths in direct quotes from Hitler on women, there is none RP in communism.

I was born in USSR and thus quite familiar with communism. Generally speaking it is very aligned with modern western world ideology. First generation of feminists were communists for example (like my great-grandmother). And this is exactly why post-soviet countries are less feminist and are resistant to BP socialist brainwashing.

So i wouldn't call nazis 100% blue pill, just for the sake of truth.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Nazis did glorify the masculine so in a bizarre sense (since the Feminists call masculinity "toxic") you could make the stretch to say since the Nazis liked masculinity and Red Pill promotes masculine polarity that they were the same.

But that was one point I was making...

The Nazi glorification was rooted in butch male homosexuality.

It wasn't really coming from a heterosexual foundation.

You look at the early Nazi party and it was filled with every possible pervert from the male homosexuals to the drug addicts (heroin) to the child molesters.

As things went mainstream for the Nazi party they covered up much of what they had to in order to make people go along, but many knew and simply had no desire to resist.

And when you got deep into the war your choice was to obey or get shot. (protesting meant death)

 

[–]bnine_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, Lenin was treated and supposedly died from syphilis which he got guess where from. But nothing in communism has anything to do with perversion.

I don't see a direct connection between political ideology for masses and one's sexuality.

[–]MajorStyles 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Nazis were reacting to the death of 4 million of their countrymen, killed in WW1. A contributing factor to this massacre was the incitement and financial profiteering conducted by the Jewish dominated press.

Seen through this lense, WW2 is an act of retribution rather than a senseless slaughter. It doesn't make the Holocaust right, but it prevides it with an important historical motive that is often ommitted from discussion on the topic.

[–]Battle-Scars 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

The dynamic Neo describes is why I've always had a problem with the 38th law of power.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

38 THINK AS YOU LIKE, BUT BEHAVE LIKE OTHERS

The 48 Laws of Power - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqph3MYA_pA

 

[–]Battle-Scars 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Behave like others"

As it applies to your post, there were many moderate Germans who thought Nazism wasn't such a good idea, but since they were coming out of a severe depression, unemployment, civil unrest, etc. it was probably the best solution in their eyes for the short term so they allowed Hitler's rise to power by "behaving like others". By the time Hitler's plan unfolded it was too late/detrimental to cause a change, I'm sure they were still "thinking as they liked" but following the path of the Party to its ultimate ruin.

Maybe I'm reading law 38 too literally but i will never behave like a SJW, Male Feminist, Male apologist or the like in order to stay under the radar and not be noticed by the Feminazis. I will never give up my integrity or principals and pretend I'm a follower just for the sake of fitting in. I insulate myself and my Tribe as much as possible but if I'm attacked I refuse to roll over just so i can "behave". Fuck that, life is too short.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Often this is situational.

I worked in the dot.coms in San Francisco and was surrounded by every leftoid imaginable but I did my work and made no troubles.

With my last job my boss was "in the closet" at the time he hired me, but obviously he had fallen in love with me (not the first gay guy who did that) and he "came out of the closet" while I worked for him. My response was just continue to do my job up until they didn't need me anymore. I got a great severance package because they feared potential lawsuits if I said anything.

 

[–]Battle-Scars 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm self employed in the Bay Area so I know the types you are speaking of, but I don't play well with others unless it has to do with business. The last Feminist that told me to "check my privilege" got a little education herself and ended up walking away with tears streaming down her cheeks.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's much easier to train followers than it is to train leaders or independent thinkers.

Compare:

  • I have the secrets to a good life and I will teach them to you and all who wish to follow me.

vs.

  • Observe the world and figure things out for yourself. Don't let any theories get in the way of what you see in reality. Don't just blindly follow people. Except blindly follow me on this one issue, but not anything else.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We always follow when we listen... that's normal.

Frame simply means that we have a kind of filter that sets limits to how much Game we let in by other peoples words or actions.

Game is just turning that around and trying to gain influence with your own words or actions.

Beta is when it's all one way... the slave receives orders blindly... he's a follower.

 

[–]Betterthanuatlife 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I never went through an anger phase, I usually remain calm and collected no matter the situation and this has always been the case, most of the time I remain unbothered by things. I guess you could call me a natural born stoic.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't trust people who lack the full emotional spectrum.

Jeffrey Dahmer was like that... there aren't bodies in the refrigerator are there?

 

[–]Betterthanuatlife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who end up killing for no reason usually have a lot of other issues on top of emotional detachment, like neglect or abuse. I grew up in a caring middle class family and I don't feel some weird urge to torment people. Sure I find it difficult to empathize with others but that doesn't mean I'm automatically sadistic.

[–]RamsayRedbeard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What does this have to do with TRP?

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Frame means you have an ego boundry that blocks things like Shit Tests from messing up your emotions.

Game means you know how to influence other people.

The follower is the guy with neither Frame or Game.

Betas become the followers of movements.

Red Pill isn't a thing to follow, but a process of self improvement.

Red Pill is you mastering yourself.

 

[–]RedPillAnarchist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I prefer to use their real name, National Socialists. When the word "Nazi" is used, it's too easy for people to forget that both communism and national socialism are simply forms of socialism. And a socialist society is the ultimate beta society.

[–]interestedplayer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Collectivism is always followership. Don't listen to all the chateau heartiste white supremacists who have gathered Here and down vote you cause you burst their little bubble.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny you mention that.

I stay up on all the major Manosphere sites:

  • Chateau Heartiste

  • Counter Currents

  • Return of Kings

...and others.

Recently I've seen "wars" break out between the factions.

  • Counter Currents attacks The Return of Kings.

  • Return of Kings fires back against all Nazi types. (multiple)

  • Chateau Heartiste has practiced full scale Trump worship. (okay, but over the top)

My "guess" is that the follower model of the Nazi based ideologies desire to catch the betas in the Anger Stage and get them to blame others (Scapegoating) while not really "growing up" into masculine men.

The actual Nazis were children acting as an idealized male that was very different that an authentic masculine male being a man.

So the Spirit of 1919 wishes to be reborn.

The mindset of Fascism never dies because it exists in every boy who transitions to an adult through the Anger Phase.

They know how to "catch" the boy and prevent him from developing their full masculine identity which has Frame and Game.

The Nazi follower has no Frame and no Game.

 

[–]ben0wn4g3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

when i first heard about suicide bombers and the like I pondered how these people came to be that way, and it hit me that maybe if I had grown up in that culture I could of ended up a suicide bomber, and so I decided to think about things I have grown up 'knowing'. I discovered Philosophy and skepticism. Bring everything back to basics and develop your understanding with a foundation you can be sure is true.

[–]Adolf_ghandi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Red Pill makes a blanket statement that we do not follow.

so we are anarchists now? That is the only way i see everyone as leader.

[–]MrIvanL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got this from GLO, but in my own words. This is how I feel.

Let me make something abundantly clear, hypothetically speaking of course. If I were to conjure up the best Gator Juice™ product in the world. And it just so happens that this one particular group of people also enjoy my Gator Juice™ product better than the rest, who am I to tell them not to drink it?

Do you see where I'm going? If you don't like that this particular group of people, as small as they might be in # enjoy my Gator Juice™, then you are more than welcomed to go drink that other joo joo juice that I cannot account for when it comes to it's authenticity and great taste. 😊 Understand? 😂

[–]LegendaryPeace 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fascism? One group of elites at the top.

Communism? One group of elites at the top.

Capitalism? One group of elites at the top.

Every society is a pyramid. -isms are management/farming models that use different types of propaganda. The communist Chinese elite lived in walled palaces and fleeced by the public while droning on about "the great struggle." Mao later became known for sexual excess, especially with young women.

So, I agree with you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think if I had avoided the word "Nazi" and just focused on the "leader --> follower" dynamic it would have been easier.

[–]Choppersaurus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feels like what the church has been doing for millennia, which is cramming ideologies down people's throats to make them slaves and followers.

[–]McLarenX -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, this subreddit sure is going to shit. Who all thinks we need a Renaissance here?

[–]Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This guy's a mod? Shit has really gone downhill here this year.

If there is no following in Redpill, then you should unsubscribe and delete your Reddit accounts.

This dude's a cuck. 0% and worthless info.

[–]troghin2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hope this hits home to those who wants to unite and create an underground revolutionary movement based on TRP.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was part of why I made the post.

There are people who want to bring back 1919 and start those same ideas over again (Nazi) and in their mind the "enemy" is the SJW's, the Jews, and the Feminists.

While we agree with those groups (as far as their often negative influence) are a problem, our answer is self improvement towards masculine polarity. The global elites really pull the strings of all the leftoids anyway. (they are followers)

When we say Kill the Beta we don't mean literal murder... rather that a beta wakes up and realizes the Blue Pill is a myth.

 

[–]Paradigmond -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

My scapegoat has been the lack of guidance I was given as a kid and the horrible programming I developed because of it. So many excuses emanate from this, and the emotional distraction short-circuits any progress by bringing me back into a familiar thought pattern.

[–]insoucianc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then simply recognise the pattern and change it.

[–]BurritoHunter -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If your goal is striving toward perfection, logically you should never follow another, but instead gain insight from their teachings, and seek to improve upon them. Humanity has far to go before we reach any semblance of perfection, following simply perpetuates stagnation of human thought.

No matter how wonderful you think your leader might be, that person will always have flaws. It is your job as a man to realize their flaws, and to take what wisdom they have, while rejecting the ideas which do not serve you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNeoreactionSafe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very well spoken.

Learn from others but develop your own Game.