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[–]Cunfuse 172ポイント173ポイント  (56子コメント)

It's funny because virtually all modern scholars and historians concur that Jesus was a real human being.

[–]Facehurt 59ポイント60ポイント  (12子コメント)

and a real hero

[–]necropotedmost underground cringe 58ポイント59ポイント  (11子コメント)

a real human bean

[–]Clunse 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

and a real gyro

[–]FlamingWings 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]zero17333 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where's that from?

[–]FlamingWings 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

JoJo's bizarre adventure Part 7: Steel Ball Run.

This is an edit of a panel from the comic. Guy's name is Gyro

[–]zero17333 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks. I was wondering as he looked familiar

[–]MonoKumagawa 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's technically pronounced "gee-ro".

[–]Buttraider404 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Actually a guy at this one Greek place told me it's "ear-oh"

[–]Surhan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is. Worked for a Greek dude and he would make fun of me if I said it wrong.

[–]MonoKumagawa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, cool, I didn't know that, I was making a reference.

[–]Coffeechipmunk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, the gyro snaps in two.

[–]Keeper-of-Balance 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ohai Judas.

Don't touch me, motherfucker.

[–]xXmeme_master_69Xx 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not only that but most also consider him to be a pretty great philosopher since his teachings were all morally good, even if you aren't a Christian.

[–]ComedicPause 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's a shame that so many judgemental nuts turn off so many people to his teachings.

[–]sinsforeal 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You might be a christian atheist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

[–]Carvemynameinstone 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find the "non practicing" term much better. Jews use that to notify that they like the culture but aren't Jewish by religion.

[–]namewithanumber -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah just ignore all the bad stuff and keep the good, jesus made the trains run on time at least lol...(god is dead bitch ...srrry!)

[–]Tetragrade 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

Source?

[–]alkapwnee 26ポイント27ポイント  (14子コメント)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Did Jesus exist?, Bart Ehrman, 2012, Chapter 1

Van Voorst 2000, p. 16

Sykes, Stephen W. (2007). "Paul's understanding of the death of Jesus". Sacrifice and Redemption. Cambridge University Press. pp. 35–36. ISBN 978-0-521-04460-8.

[–]squid_loaf 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

These sources are so well cited I'm getting a warm fuzzy feeling. You da real MVP

[–]TechnocraticTurk 11ポイント12ポイント  (12子コメント)

Straight out of that link:

There is no physical or archaeological evidence for Jesus. All sources are documentary, mainly Christian writings, such as the gospels and the purported letters of the apostles. The authenticity and reliability of these sources has been questioned by many scholars, and few events mentioned in the gospels are universally accepted.

So "virtually all modern scholars and historians" believe Jesus existed because the Jesus people say so?

[–]alkapwnee 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't know what you want me to say. I saw it, too, but they added this clarification with sources for it so I just posted it.

There are a few roman historians I found doing my own digging, who I might add are not christian, I believe, who referenced jesus.

For Instance Tacitus, the roman historian wrote "NERO, made scapegoats--and punished with every refinement the notoriously depraved CHRISTIANS...Their originator, CHRIST, had been executed in Tiberius' reign by the Procurator of Judaea, PONTIUS PILATUS"

-'The Annals of Imperial Rome Book XV, chapter 47 (A.D. 64) [during the Great Fire of Rome]'

[–]TechnocraticTurk 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

There seems to be quite some controversy about that source also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

Whether Jesus existed or not is for me personally irrelevant but considering the importance of his existence for his followers, the shockingly few bits of very controversial historical documentary as the one above really don't warrant this rather snobby attitude that manifests itself in these "LOL DAE FEDORA ATHIESTS, OF COURSE JEBUS IS EXIST"-threads.

Kinda ironic considering that the very same community tries to ignore/undermine/discredit the staggering amounts of scientific evidence in certain fields while themselves strongly believe in something because 3 guys wrote a sentence each.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]alkapwnee 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't really have a dog in this fight either. Although, i see no controversy listed in the article, unless you mean no more manuscripts written exist from that time it was printed, but it even lists the two principal manuscripts off the annals right in the article, anyway.

I had always just assumed it to be true so I did some fact checking for my personal knowledge and found that and posted it. I guess it is true, though, people will believe what they will regardless of side.

[–]TechnocraticTurk 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a few interesting points in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ#Authenticity_and_historical_value

Controversy may be too strong of a word, but there's certainly some interesting counter-arguments further down in that section.

I had always just assumed it to be true

Same here. Well, maybe not in a water-to-wine wizard kind of way but I can believe historical Jesus to be some sort of teaching philosopher, a bit like a middle-eastern Buddha. It's the not satisfyingly enough evidence that bums me out. On the same note, there's even archaeological evidence for Buddha - and he lived like 600 years before Christ.

[–]alkapwnee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, as a real person that is what I had envisioned.

I guess it's not difficult to believe that, at least for me, given the difference in general opinion held by the people around them. Rather, the romans viewing it as little more than a cult to be eradicated and so it seems likely symbols of the church or similarly valuable artifacts relating to origin would be committed to the flames. Whereas sidhartha did not have such harsh penalties, and in fact was "predicted" from his birth by brahmin seers the king had inquired to if any of the tales of his origin as prince are to be believed. Not that futuresight is real, but is an indication that it is likely to be believed by the people of the time who may have believed in its possibility.

[–]XxGhastxX -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't know what you want me to say

Well, citing real evidence would be nice.

[–]alkapwnee -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

you mean, like I did there, and before?

[–]XxGhastxX -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is no physical or archaeological evidence for Jesus

No, you didn't. Documentary evidence is not good enough, I can "document" that donald trump is a space-lizard, doesn't make it true.

[–]alkapwnee 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tacitus, the roman historian wrote "NERO, made scapegoats--and punished with every refinement the notoriously depraved CHRISTIANS...Their originator, CHRIST, had been executed in Tiberius' reign by the Procurator of Judaea, PONTIUS PILATUS"

-'The Annals of Imperial Rome Book XV, chapter 47 (A.D. 64) [during the Great Fire of Rome]'

Are censuses and name recognition 50 years post mortem not enough for proof of existence for a person over two thousand years old?

[–]XxGhastxX 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

See the edit, documentary evidence is not good enough.

[–]XxGhastxX -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no physical or archaeological evidence for Jesus

Or god.

Or invisible pink unicorns.

Or the tooth fairy.

Just because someone wrote it somewhere, doesn't make it true. If I get a piece of paper and write "The king-emperor of Spain is Donald Trump" it doesn't make it true 2,000 years from now.

[–]NefariousJosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No they don't, there's no physical evidence of any sort that he did, and there just isn't any that he didn't either. So he could have.

[–]XxGhastxX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you have any evidence for that?