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shenanigansenOwl Turd が 11時間前 投稿
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[–]elfa82[M] [スコア非表示] 6時間前 stickied comment (40子コメント)
Hi kids. It's time we had a talk. I'd like to remind everyone about the sidebar /r/comics/about/sidebar, in particular this part:
We get it, you're upset that people like things you don't. Feel free to downvote and move on. This sub is for sharing comics in a fun environment. Please take advice from one of my childhood heroes
[–]Shillin_for_Shekels 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 5時間前 (10子コメント)
The first comment you removed was about the number of comments and upvotes this post has. Nothing to do with the quality of funny here. Is that against the rules too?
[–]elfa82 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5時間前 (9子コメント)
Yes cause they were complaining that OP is manipulating votes
[–]keltric 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
This sub always has wonky upvote/comment ratios, probably because so many people just view the images through a reader without bothering with the comment section. /r/askreddit has the opposite trend. It just happens.
[–]Shillin_for_Shekels -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Yeah I'm not denying that. It makes sense. Just saying I don't think all the removed comments were justified, but hey, I'm no mod. Just a shill.
[+]Athen88 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Wait wait.. People give a flying shit about upvote and comment ratios? I come here to see great comments not debate this bullspit. I can't even.
[–]phatwithaphd 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 4時間前 (3子コメント)
Where do the rules address questioning whether or not vote manipulation is occurring? You removed a post that did not mention the quality of the content, but rather express confusion as to how this user's posts skyrocket so quickly.
What are your thoughts on the accusation that this user's comments have some symptoms of vote manipulation?
Edited a typo.
[–]elfa82 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 4時間前 (2子コメント)
It's whining that they don't find it funny so it therefore must be vote manipulation
there is none. some days his posts don't do well, other days they do.
[–]cnot30 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
All of his posts have done extremely well since at least a year.
[–]phatwithaphd 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Regarding point 1, there was no reference to it being unfunny in a comment you removed that I read. I know that some others expressed that they were confused as to how unfunny content was upvoted, but at least one was just questioning how quickly and with how few comments this comic rises.
[–]Shillin_for_Shekels 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
They didn't accuse OP of vote manipulation, but stated there was an odd upvote to comment ratio. I believe the term was "smells fishy," though there was no accusation.
[–]Managore -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
"I've heard people say that /u/shillin_for_shekels steals money from orphans. Why has /u/shillin_for_shekels remained silent on this matter?"
You can make an accusation without explicitly accusing someone of something.
[–]Ifriendzonecats 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Can we attack artists other than the creator or talk about the unfunniness of other posts?
[–]cnot30 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 6時間前 (13子コメント)
If someone found this unfunny, what's wrong with them stating that?
[–]detecting_nuttiness 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 2時間前* (3子コメント)
Seriously. If a comic is not funny, it's way more constructive to leave a comment explaining so rather than to "downvote and move on." Hell, that's even contrary to reddiquite policy.
Please don't ... Downvote an otherwise acceptable post because you don't personally like it.
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Source
I'm not supporting purely negative comments, but I seriously think constructive criticism is a valuable part of any creative community.
Edit: formatting
[–]Shillin_for_Shekels 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
You'd think a mod of 100+ subs like /u/elfa82 would know the site rules
[–]seventyeightmm 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
They know the rules, but they have an agenda. Mods are essentially children on power trips.
[–]tocilog 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 19分前 (0子コメント)
But then leaving a comment that just says "I don't think this is funny" means nothing. It's not constructive, it's not even a critic. All it's saying is that the commenter didn't like the comic. It's a pointless statement that might as well just be a downvote and move on. I think that's the type of comment that's being targeted by that rule.
Then there's the comments like "I don't like his humor" or "I don't like his art". Is that constructive? What do you want to happen, the artist to completely change who he/she is to cater to you? Stop posting their work here so you don't have to see their work? Stop making comics, you know, the thing they love to do ('cause really, I doubt any one chooses this career path for the money or the fame)?
[–]VeganBigMac 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 6時間前 (4子コメント)
Because criticism is eeeeevil \s
[–]chenobble -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
'criticism'
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https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/49nxsh/the_truest_measure_of_success/d0tngpy
[–]cnot30 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
That was pointless.
[–]elfa82 -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
And now you've just answered your question
[–]cnot30 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Not really.
[–]beericane 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
So basically "don't comment".
If people aren't allowed to share their thoughts about the content being posted, what is the point? To circle jerk and gold star everyone for effort?
I don't think this artist is funny. In fact, I don't think their content even has a point most of the time. I love the art style though. But I'm not allowed to constructively criticise the humor? That's nonsense. Why but just turn off the comments entirely if we can't comment on the content unless it's too circle jerk only the positive?
[–]segfaultxr7 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
Exactly!! This guy's allowed to post his work here (with constant and shameless self-promotion), but nobody's allowed to make any critical comments about it? WTF? If there were personal attacks involved, that would be totally different.
I agree, I think it's better to disable comments altogether than have this idiotic "everybody wins a trophy" policy.
[–]JohnCthulhuNHOJ Comics 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
This guy's allowed to post his work here (with constant and shameless self-promotion)
Is this referring to the artist leaving a comment in which they post links to their site & social media presence? If so, tons of others do this (including me).
Nothing wrong with it at all.
[–]segfaultxr7 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Thanks for the clarification, I hadn't seen it in other threads myself (in this sub or anywhere else for that matter) so I didn't know it was common/accepted practice.
That said, I still think the combination of using this as a platform to promote their content while also not allowing anyone else to make any critical comments is messed up.
[–]Managore -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 58分前 (0子コメント)
The way you've phrased this makes it seem like the artist is the one stopping people from criticizing their work.
[–]FusRoBlah -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Why care enough to criticize?
[–]kratomized 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
So criticism is not allowed, we can only circlejerk and pat ourselves on the back about how good it is, even if we don't like it?
[–]Savipalooza 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
We get it. You're upset that people dislike things you don't. See how bad your argument is?
[–]seventyeightmm 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 57分前 (1子コメント)
Don't complain about the unfunniness of a post or attack artists posting their content
When you construe every bit of criticism as an attack, you've effectively stifled dissent and made the sub into an incestuous hugbox. That leads to even more criticism since you've created a monoculture that can't see outside of its own little bubble.
It shouldn't be surprising that Owl Turd gets so much hate. His posts get rocketed to the top of /r/all in a matter of hours with very, VERY little engagement in the thread. That's usually a tip that the poster is manipulating votes similarly to how Unidan played his game. The fact that he whores out his patreon and whatnot just adds fuel to the fire.
In addition to that, his comics are not funny. They're not supposed to be funny, at least in the general sense, since they're Internet-culture inside jokes (aka memes). Whatever, that's fine, but to think that it doesn't deserve criticism is the real joke here.
[–]Thetravelingboy -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
But how will people know what to like unless I tell them?
[–]Garbo86 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Classic reddit. A bastion of free speech when it comes to bros whining about how people don't pay them enough attention, but a rigorously moderated space when it comes to people calling out the bros for their whining. This is the internal contradiction that makes reddit what it is. And then you hide behind the mantle of 'fun', as if dealing with someone like you ever could be. Maybe try out a little self-education before inflicting yourself on other people.
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