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[–]What_R_U_Listening_2 322ポイント323ポイント  (52子コメント)

Black people commit 52% of murders despite being 12% of the population (Sources 1 and 2) thats not to say there isnt systematic racism built in but I dont think white people are getting away with such a huge amount of murder that this statistic doesnt carry weight.

[–]TheDomCook 158ポイント159ポイント  (26子コメント)

Yet you can also throw in values like socio-economic background which might change the perspective too. I can't speak for the USA but in the Netherlands the over representation of Turks in relation to native Dutch in crime statistics is effectively eliminated when correcting for socio- economic background.

Source.

[–]NickRick 60ポイント61ポイント  (20子コメント)

The real issue in the us is socioeconomic in nature that can be masked as a race issue. But the people who are at the top of the economic brackets are the same ones who control the media.

[–]_mindless_sheep 64ポイント65ポイント  (0子コメント)

Certainly socioeconomic issues are a huge deal, but they're frequently bound up with race.

[–]im_not_not_white 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

I mean off the top of my head look at the GI Bill. Successfully helped thousands of Americans to move into the middle class. Black veterans were not allowed to benefit from the bill.

It's both a class and a race issue. But the race issue is very, very real. The origins of poverty of minorities are based in policies that intentionally excluded them.

Edit: this wiki page explains it in fair greater nuance than I care to

[–]witeowl 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn. That's one I didn't realize. Bootstraps indeed.

[–]WhyWouldHeLie 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why weren't black veterans allowed?

[–]Threeedaaawwwg 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to Wikipedia, black veterans couldn't use the gi bill to buy houses, or get a college education. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_and_the_G.I._Bill

[–]absolutedesignz 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is gonna sound ridiculous but you'd be shocked how actively governments fucked black people over simply because they were black.

The over representation of black people in the lower socioeconomic classes was pretty much manufactured.

[–]im_not_not_white 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like mostly because the government just didnt want to grant them mortgages. Check out this wiki article

[–]Azand 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

Surely the two aren't so separate. That a higher percentage of non-whites end up in a lower socio-economic bracket because of race issues.

[–]NickRick 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

or because they started out in a lower socioeconomic bracket it was harder to get to a higher one. regardless of race most people end up in the same socioeconomic bracket as their parents. or are you saying that black people and other "non-white" people are genetically predisposed to be poor?

[–]JohnQAnon -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Asians started where they were. Look at them now

[–]NickRick 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

one of the main reasons Asians are doing well is because from about 1965 on wards there was a large wave of immigration from Asia, mostly on H1, and H1B visas. That lead to a highly skilled and educated group. so they didnt exactly "pull themselves up from their bootstraps". They came in well skilled and stayed there, but to someone who thinks all Asians are the same would assume they worked their way up.

[–]witeowl 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

They also didn't face the ongoing oppression that black people faced with systemically falsified peonage in order to get free labor in times of need, for example. So many people seem to think that the slaves were freed and everyone was on equal footing... No, that's not at all how it happened. And in some ways in some areas it got worse before it got better.

(And no, it didn't magically happen that way for the Japanese or Chinese in America (or even the Irish) either. But those groups did not face the same extended roadblocks that black people faced and in many ways still face.)

[–]rxninja 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't have the litany of resources I used to have, but generally speaking this does pan out. Correcting for SES and demographic factors (age, sex, etc.), race largely goes away as a bias in both crime and the legal response to it (in the United States).

It's worth mentioning that the one area where there is a racial bias is at the arrest level. There's racism in the initial response to crime, which is what starts the funnel into the rest of the justice system.

[–]sientje 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But for people from Marocco or The Antillen it remains disproportional. I know what you said is technically correct, but you are cherry picking data.

[–]simjanes2k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

when correcting for socio- economic background

I think the methodology of this will be called into question basically forever.

[–]MC_Mooch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then why look at it as a race issue and not a socio-economic issue?

[–]somerandomguy02 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/theydidpartofthemath

[–]BassmanBiff 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

You're effectively saying that we shouldn't worry about black people being killed because other black people commit crimes, and you're ignoring things like conviction rates, socioeconomic background, a history of violence used against them, etc.

[–]Syjefroi 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's also suggesting that black people are somehow inherently more violent or prone to murder. Feels sort of phrenological.

[–]k_nasty 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention the fact that, even if I were to commit a violent crime, I do not deserve to be killed by police unless I continue to threaten them or other people.

In far too many cases, those killed by police presented no such threat

[–]willmaster123 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

True but those numbers are typical of any impoverished, oppressed minority around the world.

[–]JNS_KIP -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

oppressed

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    [–]KevlarGorilla 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think the word you're looking for is systemic?

    The laws don't say it, but the people who enforce the laws certainly do have a bias. Perhaps it's justified with the higher crime-per-capita ratio, but statistics show that it way, way over-corrects.

    Check this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rWtDMPaRD8

    [–]Jeanpuetz 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What? You don't know how systemic racism works.