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[–]Meat-on-the-table 71ポイント72ポイント  (4子コメント)

More BP obfuscation of biological truths. You really think there was single cavemen who went out hunting, came home with the game, then proceeded to go out and find the vegetables and rock the baby to sleep?

Delineated responsibilities exist because they utilise each sex's particular stregths--not because men enjoy oppressing women.

What's of interesting note is that all this involves a widening of the scope of things a man is supposed to do to please his woman. Tell me, when was the last time the media pushed any stupidly-worded agenda that women should start fixing more appliances around the house to please their men?

So, yes, I am going to "share the load", but not the load they think, and not in the way they want.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Delineated responsibilities exist because they utilise each sex's particular stregths--not because men enjoy oppressing women.

Exactly.

Tell me, when was the last time the media pushed any stupidly-worded agenda that women should start fixing more appliances around the house to please their men?

This is a good point. I've seen a few "girl power" ads where the woman was doing traditionally masculine chores, but it was to show that she is as good as any man and not because she was supposed to "share the load".

Next time there is a noise in the house in the middle of the night, she can "share the load" and check out if he actually does has a knife.

[–]Swole_is_life -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

My experience, which of course is only one data point, is that it's ok to do those things if you do them in a manly way. Baby won't sleep? Take your shirt off and let him snuggle in with your manly warmth and talk to him calmly with your deep voice. Making dinner? Grill some meat to a perfect medium or medium/rare.

A woman wants you to be a man and there are still manly ways to do "feminine" things.

[–]Meat-on-the-table 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is nothing wrong with helping out where it makes sense. But this isn't what these people are advocating. They want an extension of what the man should do in their minds, without any reciprocal action on the part of the woman.

It's pure fantasy to assume being a domesticated puppy will get you more sex. Knowing the hamster, she is likely to dismiss his advances under the guise that she feels ill-treated because he only did those things to get sex. You know, the ol' "I want you to do what I want you to do because you want to do it, not because I want you to do it."

This inverts power dynamics because the men who are badgered by this simply don't know how insidious their actions are. I often cook for myself and my LTR, but when I do I always order her around in the kitchen, making her do the chopping and mundane tasks. In that way, the Captain-First Mate dynamic is solidly maintained.

[–]Haakon_Stormbrow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Grrr!!

Knowing the hamster, she is likely to dismiss his advances under the guise that she feels ill-treated because he only did those things to get sex.

That is exactly what i hear... Man i am screwed... err.. not screwed.

[–]tddaygame 49ポイント50ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just do the traditionally masculine chores such as moving furniture, plumbing, wiring, home repairs, appliance installation and maintenance, fixing the car, finances, decision-making, managing contractors, security, mowing the lawn, cleaning the gutters, moving heavy shit around in the garage, and anything else that involves power tools.

And most important "chore" of all: fuck her good.

Also: she'll be a submissive feminine woman only for a dominant masculine man. The more confident, successful and strong man you are the more cute, caring and sexy woman she is. If you want that male-female polarity you have to hold your end of the bargain.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

And most important "chore" of all: fuck her good.

Well-said, and I can't believe I left that out.

[–]HanSolosBoots 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is absolutely a truth some men will need to understand. it's a hard pill to swallow but admitting that you aren't as masculine as you think and improving oneself will definitely get you a more feminine woman that you desire.

[–]seattleron 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Here's the bullshit thing about this theory of unpaid work:

For a lot of these women, they are essentially getting paid. Their husbands make more money than them and pay for shit that they want/need, and the reason they do these "unpaid chores" is because they have the privilege to do so because their husbands can provide for them and they don't need to work as much.

Plus, where's the article for the grass cutting, the oil changes, the handyman work, the stress involved with the 50+ hours a week at work that men do?

Oh, that's right, that unpaid work doesn't count because penis.

[–]nuhu39n 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Husband pay for house for his wife to live in.

Husband pay for food for his wife to eat.

Husband pays for clothes and shoes for his wife to wear.

Husband pay for car for his wife to drive.

Wife irons husband shirts. "OMG UNPAID WORK!!!"

[–]hhamama66 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bill Burr used to say that any job you can do in your pajamas is an easy job.

[–]NameOfAction 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

I thought choreplay was making her clean naked while you order her to do degrading things with a feather duster.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]1PrinceofSpades 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really is amazing how well-written the shit tests in this show were, and how cleanly he deals with them. A woman will tell you to your face she thinks Don Draper is sexy but will almost always fail to tell you why.

[–]sunderfrost 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The pulling the hair. It works every, fucking, time.

[–]1RickJamesBeyach 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

Choreplay is a shit test. Response: "Ok, cool. I can hire a maid and find another woman to suck my dick."

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

There are lots of reasons behind this.

First, if you're doing traditionally female work, your woman is going to perceive you as feminine. That's not sexy. She may appreciate what you're doing for her and feel affection for you, but affection is what she feels for a child, her dog, or her favorite pair of shoes. Affection is not sexual attraction. In many cases, affection is an antagonist to sexual attraction.

Second, in situations where a man is doing the large majority of the traditionally female work, the woman is not usually jumping in and doing 99% the man work. Usually, the woman is being waited on like a princess and doing next to nothing. The only time a woman would allow that to happen would be if she doesn't respect the guy. Because who would allow somebody they respect to do all of the work while they sat on their ass? If a woman doesn't respect you, she doesn't want to fuck you -- the fact that you're doing her share of the work is a symptom, not the root problem.

Third, when a woman isn't doing the traditionally female work, she's being denied an opportunity to be feminine in the relationship. It's almost like you're rejecting her femininity. When she's not contributing her femininity to the relationship, she's not invested in the relationship. Which means she has no skin in the game. What's she lose if she leaves, cheats, or treats you like shit?

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a good summary of the important points.

  1. You'll look feminine doing feminine chores.
  2. She'll lose respect for you because you're not respecting yourself.
  3. She won't feel feminine because she has no chance to serve you lovingly

[–]dongpal 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I work and my gf works, she even has a bit more things to do than me. How should I convince her that she also needs to do 100% of the chore?

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I assume you pay the bills, maintain the finances, keep to a budget, plan your extracurricular activities, plot the direction forward for the two of you, move and fix and build shit, and bring the big-ass D for your girlfriend, right? You should barely have the spare time to cook, clean, and fold laundry. That's why she should be doing it. Because you're already doing your share.

[–]dongpal 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

the flat is really small so there is no manly work left. there is no garden or garage, therefore no " plumbing, wiring, home repairs, appliance installation and maintenance, fixing the car, mowing the lawn, cleaning the gutters, moving heavy shit around in the garage"

[–]hartke20g 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then take the more masculine of what's left. Cook, and cook well; make the meal filling, robust, with nutritional value and not at all dainty. "Meat & potatoes" is the kind of stuff you should cook (and stuff you like). She can be in charge of dessert. And go start seasoning a steak the day before you cook it.

Still need something to do? Finances- own that domain. Get a ledger or make a spreadsheet that you can tally up costs in and use to make a budget- stay away from "just getting an app". You know who relies on apps? Women and lazy men.

Is she cleaning? Lift the couch/table so she can vacuum/sweep under it while you hold it up with the muscles you've grown from lifting weights.

Whatever you do, do it efficiently and with authority. Become proficient at it. Just stay away from the obviously feminine tasks: sewing, laundry, cleaning/dusting,

[–]1moodyprism 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

Even the concept that women do all the domestic work is bullshit. Who fixes the car, cleans the gutters, mows the lawn, paints the bedroom, grouts the tiles, mows the lawn etc

[–]The_Man_on_the_Wall 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

My mother used to get so pissed when I would bring this up. My father did everything around here. Mowed the lawn, opened closed and maintained the pool, remodeled rooms, painted, installed appliances, installed electric, did all landscaping, took out the trash, maintained the property (Fence, deck, shed...powerwash, water seal, you name it) and was the main breadwinner the entire time.

She used to bitch about having to do laundry(a machine does it), Dishes(Was hand washed until me and my brother moved out, then suddenly that built in dishwasher she refused to use was suddenly put into use daily) and general cleaning and cooking. When put into the proper context she would just get mad and shutdown. Not that I cared one bit, I could manage all these trivial tasks for myself. I think I was a better cook than her by age 16 just from watching TV.

[–]wolfraisedbysheep 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

Funny how you move out, live on your own, and realize all those horrible chores your mom toiled away at amounts to like an hour a day tops.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMattyAnon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

realize all those horrible chores your mom toiled away at amounts to like an hour a day tops.

Yeah, less than an hour. It was always sold to me as a full time job too.

Thing is.... in 1940 it WAS a fulltime job. But now men have invented labour saving devices so that women have 8 spare hours a day to get validated on Tinder ... "just for a laugh".

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who fixes the car, cleans the gutters, mows the lawn, paints the bedroom, grouts the tiles, mows the lawn etc

I was surprised when I started listing all the masculine chores - I had to stop because my list was growing out of control. Even I didn't realize how much a man does around the house.

The man is also a security guard on top of all of this. When something goes bump in the night, the man has to go check it out.

[–]SolarPoweredSauna 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

In this case, you HAVE to look at your sources.

Sheryl Sandberg, Bill Gates, and Melinda Gates do not actually have to do any domestic chores. The have more than enough resources to hire housekeepers, butlers, grounds keepers, handymen, drivers, nannies, personal assistants, etc.. Bill Gates is not aerating his own lawn or cleaning his own gutters.

Sandberg and the Gates' choose which domestic chores they wish to do themselves. Then based on their personal experiences with a small subset of what a normal household manages, they extrapolate that men should be doing more.

Bigger picture, Bill and Melinda Gates have touched on a significant problem. Unpaid labor is a burden to women in many parts of the world. The solution to make clean water, electricity, and modern housekeeping technology (indoor plumbing, ranges, ovens, mechanical washing machines, etc.) accessible to more people. If you want to help a woman in Bangladesh do less unpaid labor, bring running water to her house so she doesn't have to haul it and set her up with a refrigerator so she doesn't have to grocery shop every day. That would have a much greater impact then telling her husband to share the load. Besides, her husband is probably Dubai working 18 hours a day.

[–]Scurvemuch 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

I agree with everything you wrote except for the bit on love languages, because of interpretation :

Words of affirmation ---

" thank you for making my favorite meal, I appreciate it" " I love when you put on that outfit"

"You look so sexy with that shaved pussy" :: proceed to give her several orgasms while getting yours::

Acts of service

This is the one that is weaponized most often and poorly understood -

REWARD her good / positive behavior by acts of service such as Reminding her not to forget X. Or maybe fix her a cup of coffee as she is cleaning up the mess you made on her face.

The point is, its about framing your interpretation of the "act". And as people here and even at that silly site say, DO NOT do things you do not want to do, and certainly do not do it out of obligation.

Receiving gifts --- Give her skittles!!!! this one is a no brainer.

Quality time ---

This is your best resource and you should use it wisely. Reward good behavior by giving her attention. It is simple and has a high return on demand, unless you are her girlfriend. Do not be her girlfriend.

Physical touch (including sex) - Hug her tightly and give her comfort after a particularly good sexual performance. Give her the backrub that you know turns her on. Give her the gift of knowing how to fuck well ( there is a recent post on this)

The 5 love languages are not wrong. What is wrong is interpreting them as "this for that".

Also, flip the fucking script... no sex without gifts?? BS - no skittles without sex.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree that all the "love languages" are tools that should be used at appropriate times in a loving relationship. The bullshit part is that someone would have anything other than physical touch as their "primary love language".

Physical touch is so important that babies who are deprived of loving contact end up with lasting physical and mental development problems from which they may never recover. Imagine if a mother said something like, "I love my baby but I don't touch him because his primary love language is words of affirmation."

[–]Scurvemuch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

you are completely correct. I read the 5 love languages book a while ago and I will tell you that the "primary" love language of an adult will change with what that person experiences.

If you get laid without a problem, then " physical touch" is likely not your current love language in the moment. If you do get laid and don't feel appreciated for work you do ( home, outside the home, whatever) maybe you will test out as "words of affirmation"

[–]Swole_is_life 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never thought of it like that but that's a good point. Everyone I've known who doesn't have touch as their primary love language is very obviously a damaged person in some way.

[–]1awalt_cupcake 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

This sounds like the 3/2rd rule for texting. Before you gave her a gift, you've already fucked her AND came on her face.

Sex - 1 pt

Facial - 2 pts from her

THEN she gets the skittles - 1 pt from you

For every 2 good things she does, you reward her once.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMattyAnon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No rewards for sex, and I make this very clear should it ever start to rear it's ugly whoring head:

"Sex is something we both do because we both enjoy it... so tell me again what it is you're putting into this".

Skittles are for stuff over and above sex, when she's actually putting something in.

And yes, I know about the sex vs commitment exchange. I know I'm being unreasonable, and I know she can get a better deal elsewhere (or at least get rewarded for sex). Tough shit: I don't pay, that's my frame and I'm sticking to it, and it's non negotiable. Most girls respect this though and are only too willing to indulge my kinks, specifically because I'm clearly not the kind of guy who has to pay for any of it.

Also... rewards should be random / unpredictable. This is proven to lead to consistently better behaviour than formulaic rewards.

[–]Scurvemuch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

she gets gifts and I get physical touch.

SEE, 5 LANGUAGES ROCK!

[–]Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

As Pook said: A servant you be, a friend she’ll see.

Respect is all, my friends.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pook never fails to impress me with his wisdom.

[–]Scurvemuch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Often the inverse / reverse is true. When a woman is somehow doing things for you , for whatever reason, it puts her in a state to be more open to "show physical love". I do not know why this happens, but I see it often. Likely part of the totem pole of social status.

[–]alvlear 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, let today's women listen to more advice from the one and only special Sheryl Sandberg. This is the SJW General who brought the world Lean In. In this book she literally espouses open, unabashed hypergamy. I paraphrase that she writes: "When you are in your 20s, date the bad boys, the crazy boys. When you approach your 30s, however, it is time to be serious and settle down with someone stable." LMAO. Alpha what? And Beta you know what.

In the same book, she mentions "studies," which show that companies with more women in leadership make more profits. I don't know why anyone needs a study for this when you can simply open up a basic stock tracker and prove otherwise.

As a bonus, the book has this tidbit. When she was pregnant, she had to park far from the entrance. She stormed into Zuckerberg's office literally crying and asking for special parking spots for pregnant women. She got them on the spot. The victim mentality is deep with this one, and she is number 2 at takeitinthefacebook -- a trendsetter in bluepill conditioning.

She seems to have followed her life rulebook to the letter. She rode the CC in DC, then moved to SF and tied down a BB. If you look at pictures of her and BB, you will notice her 1000 cock stare, and his mushy apologizing appearance. SMH.

This woman is a billionaire, and her husband just died of a heart attack. If a billionaire who can afford an army of maids -- and not even mexicans, American maids -- is advocating for choreplay, you can bet BB was lucky to even get some starfish every three months.

All that aside, this woman has unlimited resources and she is grieving her husband. She doesn't have a reliable perspective on how other people should be living, let alone advocate for choreplay. I don't think even the BP world is taking this seriously.

By the way, why is a great man like Bill Gates being dragged into this shit for by a bitch who has created nothing? Making 70 billion, giving 30 billion away, and then making it back to 70 billion isn't enough? He has to scrape the fettuccine into the trash too?

Damn, the decline is nigh!

[–]Roughknot 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was was recently speaking to my friends wife. She wants a pool he said no. She said she'll just go on a sex strike.

But they don't see that as manipulation it's just fair.

In my BP days I was big on the coreplay. Fuck that shit.

A while ago she came home after therapy and said I need need to help more. I said no.

I said everything you do around the house I can do. You can't do everything I do, so you'll keep doing the laundry until you are willing and able to yard work.

Shut her up nicely no issues since.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was was recently speaking to my friends wife. She wants a pool he said no. She said she'll just go on a sex strike.

This is a legitimate reason to bring in the scabs.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

If a woman is willing to barter with sex within the context of a relationship it logically follows that she is willing to forgo sex with you indefinitely until conditions are met.

If she is willing to forgo sex with you indefinitely then she really isn't that attracted and you should focus your energy on other women.

[–]johnchapel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also monumental evidence as a penchant for cheating.

[–]XDforlife 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

there's a study, google it if you'd like, that shows that men who do the majority of the household chores or men that split the household chores with women get less sex than men who do not 'help around the house'

for 2 reasons -

first there is no such thing as equal, even in a relationship. someone is above, someone is below.

second, even if you hypothetically were her equal, we all know she doesn't want to fuck her equal. she wants to fuck someone better.

[–]karpathian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just learn to "appreciate" their work more and they'll enjoy doing it, problem solved. Also when they're sore at the end of the day from it just do things like massage them since it also tends to make them horny as fuck.

[–]alphabeta49 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks for setting the record straight re: 5LL. My wife isn't evil, and she generally has good intentions. She's completely unaware of her dual strategy.

But she used that book like the devil. And I was the sucker that frustratingly fell for it.

Now I've adopted a simpler model:

I add value to her life, and she in turn adds value to mine. If I'm adding value but I don't feel she's adding value in the way I want, I correct her (sometimes overtly with words, but most of the time covertly using dread). If she's adding value but feels that I'm not adding value in the way she wants, she is free to bring it up as well. It works much better because we can't hold specific (read: intentionally narrow) standards ridiculously high over each other's heads. It also encourages personal responsibility. "You aren't getting the love you want? What makes you think you deserve it?"

That book is dangerous.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I add value to her life, and she in turn adds value to mine. If I'm adding value but I don't feel she's adding value in the way I want, I correct her (sometimes overtly with words, but most of the time covertly using dread). If she's adding value but feels that I'm not adding value in the way she wants, she is free to bring it up as well.

This is perfect and makes much more sense than 5LL.

[–]Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Aside: One of my plates is into the 5 Love Languages, etc., so I point out that while her "language" is "Affirmation" - she needs compliments like she needs air - mine is "physical touch", which is why I want to fuck her all the time.

So basically, I weaponized that shit right back at her. She used to try and "shame" me for wanting sex - and really, I get it; she's hot and every guy who has ever talked to her from the time she was 14 has been trying to fuck her - but no I get a free pass b/c "Physical Touch is my 'Love Language' baby..."

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get a free pass b/c "Physical Touch is my 'Love Language' baby..."

Brilliant.

If I ever run into a woman who is into the 5 Love Languages, I'm going to tell her that my primary love languages are giving ass-to-mouth and receiving Omega Speedmasters.

[–]thenarrrowpath 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its all these old school feminists trying to take mid 20th century data and clichés and apply it to 21st century problems.

You have 40% of American households today where the woman is the bread winner. And in the age of advanced technology house work has been dissolved to mere button pushing. Cloths, dishes, vacuuming are all accomplished at the push of a button. Even if our economy was like it was in the 1950s to where one parent could stay at home there would literally not be enough "chores" to keep somebody busy for 8 hours 5 days a week.

[–]seattleron 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

About a decade ago, when me and me friends were still wet behind the ears, I had a married buddy whose wife was a neat freak. Their house always had to be spotless. You use a rag once, it gets washed. Every room was cleaned daily whether it was dirty or not. The wife did it not out of pride for her home, but out of some weird kind of obsessive behavior.

Anyway, my buddy didnt get laid nearly as much as he wanted. Him and his wife constantly had long talks aboyt how she was feeling. During one of these long talks the subject of sex came up. My buddy said he was not happy with the amount of sex he gets, and she said she was not happy with the amount of housework he does. Their solution? They came up with a fucking chores chart on a posterboard that (and I shit you not) rewarded my buddy gold stars for everything he did: swept the stairs? 1 star. Load of laundry? 2 stars. Fixed an applaince? 3 stars. When 10 stars were earned, vaginal sex was rewarded.

Even in my bluest of blue pill days did I think that was the most fucked scenario I'd ever heard of. So essentially, she gets what she wants, and only until then does he get to fornicate with his life partner. I was so embaressed for him that my face had to have been purple when he was telling me this story. And he was HAPPY!

"Ronnie, dude, the star system has worked out so great for us! She gets the cleaning done and I get sex!"

Oh man, one of the best human beings I have or ever will know (and I don't say that lightly, the guy is well off and has given away vehicles, thousands of dollars, etc. to the needy), has to earn a fucking gold star to get sex from his HB4 wife?

And in the end, guess what happens? His wife gets on one of those retarded exercise crazes that women seem to get obsessed with every once in a while (yoga) and starts losing weight. She gets certified to teach Yoga, loses weight and pulls herself up to an HB6. A lawyer in his 50's starts taking the yoga class, flirts with her, they start texting, and she leaves my buddy for this guy.

My buddy was devestated, left with a kid and a fucking posterboard with chores listed on it to stare at.

You don't do the fucking dishes, you build an addition onto the house for your mancave and you slap her on the ass and grab her head and make out with her when you walk into the kitchen all dirty from working on that addition all day.

You do that, and you don't need any fucking gold stars to get a piece of ass.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man, that was a sad story that became even sadder at the end.

Something tells me that the lawyer didn't have to earn gold stars on a posterboard in order to have sex with her.

[–]seattleron 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, that was a sad story that became even sadder at the end.

Something tells me that the lawyer didn't have to earn gold stars on a posterboard in order to have sex with her.

Yeah, it was devestating. I hurt for my brother. He is honestly one of the best people you would ever meet. The new husband takes her on trips all of the time and she is sure to post that shit all over social media. They go to Hawaii like 3x a year, so he probably gets head on command. But being 25 years her senior, an experienced lawyer, and probably alpha, i'm guess he gets his balls licked on command.

Happy ending for my buddy though, he found a real traditinal girl to marry and he seems really happy now. I know he still hurts from the first marriage, because he put every fiber of his being into that marriage and made every BP mistake known to man, but he did it with dignity and class and for the right reasons. Not because he was hoping to appease her, but because he truly loved her.

He's a person whose good reputation will proceed him for life, even if he doesn't understand female psychology.

[–]locke939 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My ex who I broke up with after 9 months. we used to do tons of crazy shenanigans, both helped out with the apartment. After awhile she'd always be tired after work and I'd get her a glass of ice filled with soda etc. Before I knew it she woulndt fall asleep unless she was in my arms and I was snaking my nails lightly over her back in a space invaders fashion. I'd do this for a good 30 minutes straight while just as tired as her, and I'd start falling aslepe and my hands would stop and she'd wake up and get upset "why did you stop?" with an annoyed tone in her voice. Once of the first red flags. 2 or 3 months later we split. Was extremely messy.

[–]thenemaxofredpill 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My LTR tried to get me to do the dishes because she cooked. I just looked at her and laughed. Told her that I just jump right up and turn into a woman real quick....stop paying the bills and do the dishes and laundry. She got the point and laughed. Then she asked me if I wanted a beer.

Damn good to be a man.

[–]rektum_expander 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck do these uber-rich people know about chores? I bet neither of these women have ever cleaned a toilet in their lives! Fuck them. These women don't clean, they don't cook, drive, none of that stuff. It sounds like an old 80"s Eddy Murrfy bit.

[–]sir_Preacher 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

If the man gives in and starts doing her chores, he's in appeasement mode, and she's learned that she can use sex to negotiate herself out of doing any work.

Exactly. One truth most men are unaware of is that you can never satisfy a woman's demands. She will keep shifting the goalpost.

Agreeing to do more of her chores sets a very bad precedent for her to make even more demands, in exchange for sex which she will not deliver.

The more you do her chores, the more she will remind you of what remains undone. And how she will feel sooo sexy and be in the mood if only you complete the last task. But her vagina will get drier with every additional chore and she will keep shifting the goalpost.

When your woman makes a legitimate demand, do it on your own terms. You can never satisfy her demands on her terms. Because, more often than not, she doesn't really understand what she's asking for. Her request is influenced by her emotions at that particular time.

TL;DR - You can never satisfy a woman's demands

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

One truth most men are unaware of is that you can never satisfy a woman's demands. She will keep shifting the goalpost.

This is an important point and worth emphasizing.

As I said before, every shit test is a woman moving her troops into the Rhineland. Fail enough shit tests and you'll have WWII on your hands.

[–]cavtrpr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. One truth most men are unaware of is that you can never satisfy a woman's demands. She will keep shifting the goalpost.

Just like corporate management.

[–]redparadigm 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Excellent post.

Not to remove responsibility from women, but to be honest, most guys in this day and age definitely cant do a lot from your list, like plumbing, fixing cars, wiring, home repairs, finances and etc.

Yes choreplay never works. I know as I tried it in my failed marriage. Yet, at that point of time I didn't peruse or had interest in a lot of your masculine chore list. I'm slowly learning about those things but like most betas in recovery never had a father to teach me those.

Like someone above me said: "If you want that male-female polarity you have to hold your end of the bargain."

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

most guys in this day and age definitely cant do a lot from your list, like plumbing, fixing cars, wiring, home repairs, finances and etc.

We talk about how women are declining in quality in the West but I'm sad to say that, as a whole, men are declining in quality too in the way that you describe. I know that high schools used to teach things like auto shop and wood/metal working (just like they would teach home economics and sewing) but I think these classes are going away if they haven't disappeared already.

[–]redparadigm 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm in my early thirties and never done any plumbing, wiring or know how to fix my car.

I desperately want to learn how to fix cars but no one in my family or social circle knows anything about it.

I'm almost tempted taking community college classes for auto mechanic.

Aby advice for cultivating those skills assuming zero knowledge or Experience?

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aby advice for cultivating those skills assuming zero knowledge or Experience?

Take those CC classes. Community college is the perfect place to learn hands-on skills.

Next time something goes wrong in your home, try to fix it, even if it takes a long time. Get the proper tools to do it. If you have to call someone in to fix it, shadow them and ask them exactly what is wrong and what they are doing to fix it.

If you get new electrical fixtures or appliances, try installing it yourself or at least shadow the guy doing it. Tell him you want to learn.

Buy a book on how to build your own home and read it. Do you know what a DWV is? Anti-siphon valve? Sacrificial anode rod? Cleanout? Heat exchanger? Tyvek? How many amps can your electrical panel handle?

Look at the routine maintenance schedule for your car and try doing the simpler items. Try changing your oil, coolant, spark plugs, air filter, and lights. Top up your brake fluid. Jack up your car and rotate your tires. Locate the fuse box in your car. Clean the acid off your battery and/or replace it. Slowly move up to more complicated items. Get the Chilton manual for your car and look through it.

[–]dongpal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

buy do it yourself books for your car

there are some maintenance things in your car which are simple to fix and you could do yourself, do them

[–]Morlag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of that stuff is really easy. There are YouTube videos about almost everything. Just watch the video, chat with the grumpy old dude at the hardware store, then fix it. It takes forever when you do it the first time, just like everything else. It becomes more natural after a while though, especially as you accumulate the tools to do basic work around the house and car.

[–]hhamama66 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are going away, which is a huge part of why most boys simply aren't interested in going to school anymore. Couple that with the fact that girls are treated as the gold standard and boys are treated like defective girls and you have a recipe for disaster.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMattyAnon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

most guys in this day and age definitely cant do a lot from your list, like plumbing, fixing cars, wiring, home repairs, finances and etc.

Then fucking learn. None of it is hard. Be careful of gas and wiring though :)

[–]Rasalom72 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Plus, this doesn't factor in the fact that most women have much higher standards then men do in regards to what is "required" to do around the house.

She wants to vacuum/ dust every room every day/ week/ whatever? And the guy is fine with doing it when it needs to be done... so she wants you to "help" her doing something that might not need to be done, just to make her feel better about having a "clean" house? FUCK THAT.

My wife tried that shit one me, and I told her I wasn't going to entertain her crazyness. We're not living in filth, and the house doesn't need to be dust free 24/7. If it did... we would be living in a hermetically sealed bubble. I told her if she wants to spend her time cleaning instead of spending time with me, then I would find other things to do. The dust bunnies have never been happier.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Plus, this doesn't factor in the fact that most women have much higher standards then men do in regards to what is "required" to do around the house.

Good point, and this is multiplied by the fact that they want more decorative items and such which requires even more maintenance.

If she want a ruffled bed skirt, she can take care of cleaning the damn thing.

[–]james-watson -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sweet jesus almighty, the decoration hoarding.

Women have no taste. I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way. They think trinkets and useless baubles are "pretty".

Men? Everything in my living space is functional. My decoration is fully functional medieval weaponry on the wall. Meaningful art. Minimal and functional furniture and appliances.

Hers? Fluffy stuffed toys, glass trinkets and baubles out the wazoo, shiny useless shit, etc.

Bless their female souls, they just lack that logical brain.

[–]alpha_n3rd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

eh I'm pretty bad about hoarding "practical" junk that I "might use someday"; not in my living space though

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Men? Everything in my living space is functional. My decoration is fully functional medieval weaponry on the wall. Meaningful art. Minimal and functional furniture and appliances.

"Form follows function" according to the architect Louis Sullivan and his assistant, Frank Lloyd Wright.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is an industry PR jewel from the feminist hive mind. This is no different than growers promoting goji berries or quinoa or kale or chia seeds or any other number of unknown foods into superfoods to increase their value and consumption. Women participating in the beta-male-provider market pay with their pussies for male resources. It is in their interests to influence the exchange rate. If the tide comes in, all boats get to rise so all women catch-on instinctively and chime-in hoping to get more value for their hard-earned pussy-dollar spend.

[–]cavtrpr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chores => to sex. oh man what a sucker bet. The only thing chores will get you is tired. You will end up doing her chores and get blasted for not doing yours because you won't have time to get to them.

[–]SexistFlyingPig 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Manly choreplay is shit like fixing the garage door or replacing shingles or rehanging the front door because the house shifted.

But it's not done in the hopes that you'll get sex. It's done 'cause it needs to get done. The sex also needs to get done. Actually, we should probably take care of the sex now, because I'll be covered in debris later, and it's good to get the blood flowing early.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it's not done in the hopes that you'll get sex. It's done 'cause it needs to get done. The sex also needs to get done. Actually, we should probably take care of the sex now, because you'll be covered in debris later, and it's good to get the blood flowing early.

I like your reasoning here.

Men's chores are not done in the hopes that you'll get sex, but sometimes it happens.

There was one night when my ex heard a noise in the basement and woke me up. Crap, I was having a nice dream. I grabbed the flashlight and groggily went outside, opened the cellar doors, and descended into the darkness. Looked around a bit and discovered it was just a possum so I figured I'd deal with it in the morning. Once I went back into the house, my ex was waiting in the house and shaking. I told her it was just an animal and asked her what was wrong. She said that she was scared to death and the whole situation was like the beginning of a bad horror flick. Once we got back in bed, she immediately jumped my bones.

[–]HanSolosBoots 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I am a believer in the christian faith and I just want to add and maybe clarify about the 5 love language as I believe it is heavily used in christian marriage prep and counseling.

The 5 love languages are to help couples that are lost and feel they do not know how to show love to one another. You not only learn what type of love language makes you feel loved the most, but there's a supplementary follow up of what love languages you're good at GIVING as well.

my wife and i had pretty traditional love languages, i felt loved with words of affirmation and physical touch. i found that i was also good at showing love in those 2 ways. my wife was acts of service and quality time. and i think one of those were one way of her showing love to me.

the main point of this book/test is to better understand how a couple can feel loved for each other and also how they also show love themselves. You can apply traditional roles to these concepts after you figure them out.

i also want to add lastly, that in my marriage prep classes i was very surprised that the two leaders (who were a married couple) also added that women should also graciously satisfy their husbands physical needs because physical, mental, and emotional love are all EQUALLY the same.

That hit home for a lot of the couples because in this day and age with all the modern issues of gender equality, sex seems to be polarized as some kind of end game goal for men and for women sex is something they give up lastly once all these other requirements are filled. its so bullshit, that's not how serious relationships work. but don't worry this young generation will all realize how stupid these issues really are because they will soon learn how it cannot be applied in real life situations.

I just want to say i appreciate the write up, but i wanted to clarify the purposes of the 5 love languages was simply to better understand how your partner feels loved, and also communicate their own ability in how they show love too. the rest is all about service to each other, even meaning that women should satisfy their husbands physical just as well as their husbands satisfying them emotionally (aka by being a traditional man, even though the teacher never flat out said this).

TL;DR: I find personally and anecdotal-ly that the 5 love languages is only a tool to specify to your partner how you show and receive love the best. You can still apply traditional gender roles to it. If your gf/wife is telling you to do feminine chores based on the 5 love languages, your wife is justifying and using this tool as a ruse to get what she wants. This isn't inherently built into the 5 love languages test. It wasn't bullshit for me, it just shows how your efforts can better show how much you love them, that's it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for the clarification. As I said above, the love languages as described are all effective tools to be used at appropriate times in the relationship.

What I think is bullshit is thinking that someone would have anything but physical touch as their primary love language. I'm sure these people exist but they are not normal by any means.

[–]HanSolosBoots 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

yep no such thing as a happy relationship without a great love life as well! i'm glad your write up brought it back to proof that equal chores will not equal happiness. and that we are all genetically built to do different roles better and whats important is the equal amount of effort that's put in!

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

yep no such thing as a happy relationship without a great love life as well!

Exactly. This leads me to an important point: note that all the love languages, besides physical touch, can be done with platonic friends. Only the physical touch part (outside of hugs and slaps on the back) can be done with your woman.

[–]Cloughtower 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree. It's funny when people quote the 73 cents on the dollar statistic and ignore "unpaid work", which is just as valuable but isn't realized in dollars.

Accounting and contracting are actually traditional female roles as well. The wife balances the checkbook and is the one at home dealing with the contractors.

There's also something to be said for doing chores with the wife. Remember that scene in "Catch Me If You Can" when the parents are doing dishes together and laughing and singing and being physical? That guy definitely got laid that night.

That's different from a story I read on Reddit a few weeks ago. A girlfriend slapped her boyfriend on the ass and said "looking sexy" when he was doing the laundry. She said she believes in positive reinforcement. Turns out it was their roommate, not even the boyfriend. She had to overcome her revulsion to do something she perceived as positive reinforcement (sounds like training a dog to me!) to someone who wasn't even her boyfriend! She clearly didn't find the man sexy as she didn't even notice who it was!

[–]aussydog 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

One of the most irritating quotes to enter into the general populace's vernacular is, "Happy wife, happy life." Those men that go through life with this mantra at the forefront of their thinking end up being browbeaten, nagged, and unhappy until such time as they divorce or end up in an early grave.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the most irritating quotes to enter into the general populace's vernacular is, "Happy wife, happy life."

Yeah, that one is up there with "The woman is always right."

If you reverse it to "Happy life, happy wife," it makes much more sense.

[–]1jb_trp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's easy: Imagine a woman you know that you don't want to have sex with. Now, imagine her doing the dishes. Do you want to have sex now?

[–]facetothedawn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can confirm this. I tried "choreplay" and it got me literally nowhere. Share the chores is what I say and occasionally do them together. I think it means more to do it this way - it shows that WE are maintaining OUR house together.

[–]teeay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good post. "Love languages" is utter horseshit.

I love the fact that all these "equitable share of the household labor" meatheads conveniently leave out the massive amount of yard work and home maintenance done by the average home-owning family man.

I do plenty of cooking and cleaning (I like cooking, and it's currently the only way to live in a clean-to-my-standards house), and 99% of the building, carrying, painting, tree-trimming, digging, gardening, vehicle maintenance,... and anything indoors that needs height, strength, or is "yucky".

[–]St_OP_to_u_chin_me 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whoa?! That "Note:"....that's a whore. That's a women giving oral copulation for services rendered. I'd divorce a wife asap if that even so as showed up once in a relationship. That's below beta bucks imho.

[–]1mrust 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rollo has additional articles specifically about Choreplay. One of the lessons I took away is that a woman will get really frustrated if you assign her simple tasks that are important. She does not want the responsibility of doing important stuff even if there is less labour involved. e.g. making a decision, meeting a deadline, filling in and dropping off important documents.

As the man, it's even more important to take responsibility for long-term outlook, organizing and planning. Ask yourself, if she fucks this up, will you lose sleep over it or have to do it yourself? Will it mess with your comfort or jeopardize upcoming plans? Then this is a task you should handle yourself.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMattyAnon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Conditional sex = whoring.

She didn't need housework to have sex with you when you first met her, and she doesn't now.

She's using passive aggression (withholding sex) to get resources (your time and effort). This is prostitution, and you're the beta bucks. Spin it any way you like in your own head, but this is the reality.

Sex should be unconditional. The second there are strings or conditions attached is the same second you start reducing your commitment.

Commitment for no sex leads to no respect.

[–]J2501 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hung out with a stripper the summer after I graduated college. She used to call me on the phone, in a sexy voice, and say, 'I have a special job that only you can handle.'

Upon driving over to her house, she would ask me to move some heavy furniture.

Needless to say, I shook her off pretty quick.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should have asked for payment up front in a currency that only she could provide.

[–]maxrp 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"unpaid work"... its all paid once the divorce-rape settlement comes through.

[–]TheWindyCity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Women doing hours and hours of "unpaid work" may have been relevant in decades past but these days women have near zero domestic skills. In my house not only do I do all the "mans work" but most of the woman's work as well. The 1950s are gone, yet today's feminists want all the respect of being a proper lady minus the responsibility that comes with that title

[–]poochman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about doing laundry (I wash it/she folds it)?

[–]dongpal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im sharing the chore with my gf to about 40/60%. She is working and is busy just like me, so I dont see any reason to tell her she needs to do everything alone when I live here too.

[–]1herewehoagain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If your time is only as valuable as the return on maid duties, you need to reevaluate your life. And if you can't maintain your living space as you use it and instead leave it filthy like a teenager, you're worthless.

[–]cheeky_throwaway101 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is a major problem for me as everything you've said rings true. These are the main reasons (I think) that I lost my masculinity within the household with my last LTR(in her eyes). I am a chef by trade, so I will cook dinner 7 out of 7 nights, I also prepare all my own food because I never trust or like the way someone else cooks for me. So what should I do? Just start letting my women cook for me even though internally I don't really like the food?

[–]johnchapel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know your situation, but cooking isn't feminine anymore. Cooking is badass, and also, its something that you really need to know how to do if you want to be an adult.

Unless you were baking brownies wearing a white apron, im inclined to think that if you did lose your masculinity, it lies somewhere else. Cooking badass food is just that: its badass.

[–]stawek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you cook, she does the dishes

[–]thefulfox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can share some of the load. But it will have to come out of my second head.

[–]ImmortalBlood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mowing the lawn is masculine? Lol.

[–]johnchapel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck is this recent obsession with taking a 2016 solution to a 1950s problem?

I said this in that other sharetheload thread, what work are they even talking about? I cook and I clean because I am an independent adult. It has nothing to do with my gender. What the fuck else are they talking about that I'm not doing? Is it just the assumption that women should actually be doing NO work at all and society should put them on an even higher pedestal that they are on, and deny that theyre on, now?

[–]Fut745 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My personal experience back when I was an idiot is that if you play the good boy that helps her with the chores, you won't play the man that helps her with the sex. Which character you gotta choose if you don't wanna get the "game over, you lose"?

[–]verdantsound 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think this post is misguided. It's not about trade chores for sex. It's about lowering her inhibitions for sex. If she's mentally preoccupied with Oh Shit i have to wash the sink, she's going to wash the sink before doing you. You can expedite this process by washing the sink.

Also, I think this masculine/feminine division of chores is going to be out of date soon. As more women work the same long hours, they won't have time to do all the "female chores." And a redistribution is in order.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If she's mentally preoccupied with Oh Shit i have to wash the sink, she's going to wash the sink before doing you. You can expedite this process by washing the sink.

This is actually the misguided thinking here. If Brad Pitt showed up, would she be worried about whether the sink was clean?

Imagine it is nighttime and your woman is crawling around on the bed in her bra and panties and looking like a Playboy Playmate. Are you thinking about how spongy your brake pedal felt in the morning and how you're probably going to have to bleed the brake lines tomorrow? Is it reasonable to expect her to go out and bleed the brake lines so your inhibitions for sex are lowered?

[–]verdantsound 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is actually the misguided thinking here. If Brad Pitt showed up, would she be worried about whether the sink was clean?

Absolutely. Sure, if he showed up for the first time she might not; but if he was over on the regular of course the novelty wears off a bit. And the same with the other example. Gotta compare apples to apples.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

OP is obviously talking about some sort of mythical creature here.

is an ace mechanic and keeps the Mustang in tip-top running condition, is great with tools and appliance installation,

Sounds like a great idea, does OP know where to find one ? While he is at it find one that cuts the lawn, fixes the roof and all this stuff ?

Heck while we are on this track. When the dog is barking art night and it sounds like someone is breaking into the house. Find one who is good with a gun so I don't have to get my ass out of bed.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a great idea, does OP know where to find one ?

If there were one that looked like Marisa Tomei, that would be even better.

[–]PantsonFire1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do we really need an entire article dedicated to the fact that doing lame ass chores ain't gonna butter up your wife?