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[–]Kell_of_Stone 428ポイント429ポイント  (71子コメント)

"Triggering" is quickly becoming one of the stupidest things in my mind.

The only people who should ever be "triggered" are ones who have had a serious traumatic event occur in their life related to this. Like, say, a soldier with PTSD or a rape victim. Too often is it used to avoid a discussion that someone gets offended by.

[–]Heartdiseasekills 160ポイント161ポイント  (19子コメント)

It is a sickness in society truthfully. I can't imagine it. How can you grow and learn to deal with the world if you need a "time out" all the time? IMHO anyone who needs "trigger warnings" has already failed at life. I don't see how you could ever be successful with that attitude.

TLDR: Life can be crap. People are crap. They don't give a crap about you or your problems. DEAL WITH IT!

[–]where_is_the_cheese 83ポイント84ポイント  (4子コメント)

Everybody loves being a victim.
Everybody loves putting a name to their disorder/condition/problem.
Everybody loves being offended.
Everybody loves being different.

Why? Because then everything that's wrong in their life isn't their fault. They can always point their finger at someone or something else and say, that's why my life isn't perfect. That's why I'm sad. That's why I'm fat. That's why I have a shitty job. That's why I'm alone.

It's all about absolving oneself of any personal responsibility. We've become a nation of children that can't handle our own failings and flaws so we find external sources to blame everything on.

[–]GoingAllTheJay 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Everybody loves being offended.

I feel like it's less that we love being offended, and more that we created and publicized a get out of jail free card.

Losing an argument? Want the other person to shut up? Things didn't go your way this one time? Just say the other person is being offensive and have all your problems disappear!

Shit, I'm explaining why this is an issue, and it still sounds appealing to me.

[–]thatguy2366 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"well you're just a racist.." Yup, guess that settles it then.

[–]daydaypics 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being what people conceive as "righteously angry" releases happiness brain chemicals.

[–]where_is_the_cheese 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely an easy out of any situation. It's sick.

[–]AbitOffCenter 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

As a rape victim, I think trigger warning tend to be overused for bullshit. But I heavily appreciate them. No one told me shit about The Last House on Left and that fucked me up hard. So trigger warnings can definitely be useful and I don't appreciate hearing I've failed because I find them helpful.

[–]WhyDontJewStay 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

No one is calling out people who can actually be triggered.

We are calling out the people who claim to be triggered when something makes them slightly uncomfortable.

[–]AbitOffCenter 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suppose I misinterpreted the message then, I do agree that people get their feelings hurt a bit too easy over silly things

[–]pipkin227 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

IMHO anyone who needs "trigger warnings" has already failed at life.

I think this is that /u/AbitOffCenter took issue with. It's kinda a shitty generalization to make, when what you're saying is right. Anyone who abuses the term trigger warnings are shitty, not people who actually use and need them.

[–]AbitOffCenter 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is actually, thank you. I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

[–]pipkin227 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. It was Bates Motel for me, and I'm glad you mentioned Last House on the Left- I love J-Law and would've watched that on a horror movie night.

It's so jarring. I think part of the issue is wartime and sexual assault are so prevalent that people don't understand why so many people would need a warning on something.

[–]kingeryck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea once they get out of college, life is gonna be really hard for them.

[–]foolishnesss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can you grow and learn to deal with the world if you need a "time out" all the time?

Because the body betrays us when we are legitimately triggered. You have no real control over the response. When you're triggered your body is sensing danger, and we move into fight-or-flight mode because millions of years of evolution taught us how to respond to predators quickly, not sit around and think about it. Your mind literally bypasses the frontal lobe shit and says "fuck, lets get out of here/ lets fight that thing." Your comment is rather annoying because it's predicated on the idea that triggers are something that can be logically reasoned with in the midst of the triggering moment. If you don't feel safe, then you aren't in the right mindset of "dealing with it." Now there's people that use being triggered and feeling uncomfortable interchangeably, but those two things are very different. Being triggered/PTSD comes with your brain being altered where your hypothalamus, amygdala, and all that great shit have lowered their threshold for what a trigger is, your automonic nervous system is out of whack, and you're in no mind space to "deal with it."

TLDR: You really don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and think shit just magically changes.

[–]pipkin227 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You've obviously not been exposed to someone with bad PTSD.

Yeah there are a ton of people being obnoxious, but you don't fail at life for experiencing a real medical condition.

[–]homeyG75 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's not talking about PTSD victims, he's just talking about normal people without any real mental health issues.

[–]Coolspacelemon -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

> get made fun of on twitter

> have ptsd now

[–]AnimeGeek441 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This.

This is the problem. People self diagnose various mental illnesses, thus devaluing the seriousness of the disease in the eyes of the world. OCD is one thing I've seen been trivialized to death, with people just going "OMG I LIKE THINGS TO BE IN ORDER I HAVE OCD".

[–]homeyG75 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

> funny meme marks

[–]thescott2k 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

There are way too many people who don't understand the difference between a negative experience and trauma.

[–]thatguy2366 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you're trying to be a victim they don't care about distinction.

[–]hockeyrugby 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

or who do not understand that learning to cope with trauma means coming to terms with it so it is nothing more then a negative experience.

[–]holythunderz 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Saying that tells me that likely you've never had any real trauma that left you scarred for life. I also couldn't imagine it before it happened to me. But don't you think that if all it took was "coming to terms with it" everyone would be fine?

It's a lot harder than that for some people, man. It's not something that can be worked through in a week or two. I willingly expose myself to things that "trigger me" so that I can "redesensitize" myself to them, but it's not that easy. I've grown a lot, and things that used to make me a mess now just raise my heart beat a bit, but it's still not a joke for the people who actually do have anxiety disorders.

[–]ceol_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, it's not up to random assholes online to spearhead someone's gradual exposure therapy. It needs to be done with a therapist in a controlled setting.

[–]Suradner 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really. It seems like, even though everyone has times where they "don't feel in control" of their lives, a lot of people consistently underestimate or neglect the importance of autonomy to someone who's had that perception of control absolutely shattered and destroyed.

There's a world of difference between growth that's pursued voluntarily in a safe environment, and "growth" that's unconsensually forced by someone hostile and impatient. It's enough to turn an otherwise helpful treatment into something quite damaging.

[–]hockeyrugby 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes i worked very hard for 7 years to minimize the effects of my trauma. Of course there can be new experiences that set me off in ways that I would have been 7 years ago. When I am ready to face them I can now go into my arsenal of ways to cope and address the new experience. Never easy but all that time and effort has allowed me to try and realize some of my dreams that I would not have been able to do before.

[–]Anjayo 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

The original use of "trigger" or "triggering" was to identify a word, action, etc. that would onset symptoms of a mental disorder. It's not just for PTSD; anxiety, depression, and phobias (yes, they are considered a mental disorder but only if they're severe enough) have triggers which change depending on the person.

[–]Kell_of_Stone 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Which is fully understandable. I'm just pointing out the unfortunate trend away from that original use and more towards the...let's call them the Tumblr crowd, for lack of better word. Again, it obviously doesn't apply to all of them their, but I think when I say that people know what I'm talking about.

[–]Anjayo 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Okay, I was just making sure haha! I actually follow this one blog on Tumblr and shitloads of people ask her to tag things because they're "triggering" (I think one of them was flowers or some shit?) and they only do it so they can call her a "problematic" blogger and yell at her, trying to drop her follower count. A lot of people use the lack of trigger warnings as a reason why a blogger is an asshole; the ones who actually do have triggers are typically courteous when asking because a) they like the person and/or b) are considerate. The hostile ones are almost always just trying to make the person look bad. It's almost like blackmailing.

[–]Kell_of_Stone 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think I've ever heard of it that bad. I don't like the use of the word because it devalues the severity in the eyes of the general populous, but that's an all-new low.

[–]Anjayo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, she got at least three requests a day, but now she's posting less about lifestyle and political-ish stuff and now it's more of a captionless photo blog because of all the trigger harassment that was going on.

[–]Kell_of_Stone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's absolutely ridiculous.

[–]RyGuy_42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to add OCD to this, specifically obsessive/intrusive thoughts. Something that I've had to deal with. Getting an uncomfortable thought stuck in your head can be a horrible experience and there are definitely trigger words that can bring those thoughts to the forefront of your mind. I avoid some conversations/situations simply because they run the risk of some word or action triggering those thoughts. A shitty way to live, but we do what we must to keep sane.

[–]Snake101333 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Whenever I think of vets or people who've had traumatic experiences in their life who can legitimately be trigger by something, I can't help but think the word "triggered" has now been desensitized and I hate it. It's a serious thing no sane person would want

[–]christopia86 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's kind of like how people describe habits and quirks as OCD.

[–]pipkin227 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I think this is right. I had PTSD for two years and still occasionally suffer after certain depictions of things can trigger me. Any graphic assaults on TV or Movies that I don't know are coming can 'trigger' bad anxiety and really ruin my night or day.

But that's part of therapy has to expose myself to things gently. Trigger warnings are good because I can brace myself for whats coming and move forward as necessary.

Banning someone for triggering material is so stupid.

People who are 'triggered' by something that bothers them, but really just a little uncomfortable or angry because of something are really effin obnoxious and ruining it for people like me who would like a trigger warning on graphic rape depictions.

[–]Draffut2012 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's becoming that specifically because SJW's use it in that context all the time. Look at Melody Hensley who claims she has PTSD from twitter. It's disgusting.

[–]Powdershuttle 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

And to think, my generation grew up on Faces of Death and worrying about getting beat up for my shoes. How do these kids cope!!?

[–]BrockVegas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see you there GenX.

Did you know they make adult Underoos?

[–]Snake101333 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I remember seeing a video of a girl who was complaining that everything around her was triggering her. Things like just walking to her car. At first I was thinking to laugh but looking at the symptoms it was clear she had anxiety not PTSD(no brainer huh?).

[–]Kell_of_Stone 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

If she's having severe enough anxiety that simply walking to her car is "triggering", she needs to see a therapist or a doctor, preferably both. Please tell me she did not make that video herself.

[–]Snake101333 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It obvious she needs help and i'm pretty sure she made it herself. The camera was just on her and she kept saying how everything from an everyday task was triggering her

[–]Kell_of_Stone 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I find it difficult to take someone seriously when they video themselves being triggered but make no effort to get the help needed to get past that.

[–]Snake101333 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still trying to get past the logic behind that. "I need help but I don't want to stop being the victim". Of course money could be an issue but they never point it out. If they aren't going to help themselves, why should I?

[–]ceol_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you're talking about the girl I think you are (Boston area, IIRC; she would accuse random men of berating/triggering her intentionally, police helicopters stalking just her, etc.), she had a legitimate psychological issue that manifested itself that way, and she was most likely homeless.

[–]Snake101333 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't seem to find the video but I mean she had a camera, and was inside a quiet room so I don't know if she was homeless. But regardless both the people we described do need professional help. Not as an insult, we're just pointing out the reality. In your cases she has paranoia and in mine it's anxiety

[–]ceol_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that's kind of the thing. We have no idea. We can't diagnose them, because we aren't professionals in a session with them. In your case, a person with PTSD can also have crippling anxiety -- the former being an anxiety disorder, after all.

[–]mcketten 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The other thing about that is "triggering" is not something you are supposed to avoid like the plague, either (at least according to my VA-appointed mental health therapists), but something you are supposed to learn to mitigate.

Beyond that, if you truly do have PTSD from something you quickly learn your own limits and you also don't blame other people for having flashbacks, etc. The only exception to this are the idiots who think it is funny to try to scare a Veteran. Then you deserve the beatdown that is coming.

[–]PokemasterTT[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

How else do you call it? Some things make people uneasy.

[–]Kell_of_Stone 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Being uneasy is different from trauma-induced anxiety.

I would replace "trigger", as it is commonly used, with actually probably exactly what you said. It would be better to say that it makes one uneasy, or that it's an uncomfortable subject.

Rape or race-related violence is uncomfortable for a lot of people to talk about. It is "triggering" for considerably fewer people - that is, people who have actually experience a related traumatic event, the memory of which causes severe anxiety.

[–]invisiblewall 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because of this misuse of "trigger" I've tended to use "activate" instead. Yeah people on tumblr who yell about being triggered don't seem to understand that when a traumatic stress response to something occurs, you're going to be too disarrayed with adrenaline-surged reactivity to post scathing blurbs about social justice.

[–]Kell_of_Stone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. It's a misuse and it desensitizes the general population to the severity of it for people who actual need help, which can be very harmful.

[–]Kell_of_Stone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Edit: Yay for bad internet and double posts. Ignore this.

[–]Be_kind_to_me 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It goes with the teenage girls thinking a mental disability being an accessory and a victim complex. If these people who use the word "triggering" would have real emotional issues, they'd know that flaunting your victimhood only reinforces it.

[–]Scarbane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should show this video to people who use "triggered" and "microaggressions" unironically.

[–]RedFlaim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the first thing that went through my mind. Even since its inception, triggering always sounded stupid.

[–]monkeyKILL40 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really pisses me off actually. People get so butt hurt over the little things and use "triggered" as an excuse to run away from the conversation and hide. They are acting like a goddamned child. Get over it, life isn't fair.

[–]bambooskeleton 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this week on "what happens when you take blogs seriously"

[–]LeannaBard -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well, sometimes I think it's valid. For example, I have some issues (I won't go into specifics because this ain't a throwaway) that I struggle with, and it tends to spiral me into to suicidal thinking. I tend to do okay as long as I avoid the subject like the plague.

But if I start thinking on it and get into a conversation about it, I'm like a recovering alcoholic in a room full of drinks. I just keep inking about it more and more until I feel hopeless and like my life is probably going to end soon.

So I try to keep myself out of situations where that topic will come up. If it's going to come up, it's nice for me to have a trigger warning so I can remove myself from that situation. And honestly, I don't really feel like my wishes and attempt to avoid suicidal thinking is invalid or cowardly. It's just self-preservation.

[–]Kell_of_Stone 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which is fair. That's a legitimate reason to have such a warning. I just find that it is too often used for, let's say...invalid reasons.

[–]Dick_n_a_Box -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But...what about mah fee-fees?

[–]STFUTheFuckUp 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Keep in mind that "triggering" is also something that people throw around to mock others for getting hurt by things that are legitimately hurtful. Yes, there are people claiming that they are "triggered" when they really aren't, but there is also a huge group of voices on reddit who are quick to shout "SJW", "triggered", and the like as soon as someone even makes the slightest case advocating respect and consideration for others.

[–]Kell_of_Stone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is, of course, just as bad. I agree it should not be done, but at the same time I can see where it originates.

Still, neither is a lesser of two evils. Both should stop.

[–]MattAmoroso -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm so triggered right now!

[–]thatguy2366 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quickly, post this to Tumblr!

[–]aronnyc 117ポイント118ポイント  (11子コメント)

I remember calling a suicide hotline once and they hung up on me. I've a feeling they're staffing these crucial positions with people who need more training.

[–]Talbotus 54ポイント55ポイント  (1子コメント)

My sister was a suicide hotline operator. She had borderline personality disorder and she made everyone's issues more about her than them. I feel bad for whom ever she talked to. I don't talk to her ever and I do not wish that upon anyone especially when they are on the edge.

[–]MsArya 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do you know what she said to them?

[–]Whereismycoat 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

At the hotline I worked at,the only times we would hang up would be if the person on the other line started to get aggressive with the counsellor

[–]PokemasterTT[S] 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

People take that job to get money.

[–]bioreactor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's kind of the point of any job, I hate my job but I need money to survive so I keep it

[–]DarkDwarf 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

For some reason, "I've a feeling" sounds incorrect when I say it aloud, despite being seemingly correct.

[–]moeburn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're very often staffed by volunteers.

[–]Captain-Zebra-Tits 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A friend of mine called a suicide hotline and was just told to pray. He's atheist. Even after telling them he doesn't practice any religion they kept trying to push prayer.

If the person who calls is religious, sure use their faith. But if they're not, don't keep trying to push it... That's just ridiculous.

[–]Drakolore 61ポイント62ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey there was an open blog for "men's" stories. Everything submitted was from transmen or only supporting transmen. Asked the blog owner when they were going to have some stories or up lifting posts for any other men.

Get yelled at and Banned for "bullshit concerns"

So so much for help, support, and inclusivity in the world.

[–]bioreactor 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This kind of bullshit can ruin lives honestly

[–]MsArya 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you it wasn't a LGBT site? And I mean, coming in and saying "Enough about transmen, let's talk about cismen!" really doesn't come off weird?

[–]Honk_If_Top_Comment 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Yeah, I have depression issues.

These people with depression bother the fuck out of me"

[–]chasethenoise 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just tell the mods that being banned triggers you.

[–]PokemasterTT[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can't

[–]Levy_Wilson 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your inability to bullshit triggers me.

[–]Bommix 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, that triggers me

[–]paulec252 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Caught in a catch 22 of triggers, the channel just explodes.

[–]whatwhynope 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't you just love SJW safe spaces?

[–]Dick_n_a_Box 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bully proof windows

[–]hostile345 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Troll safe dooooooors!

[–]ElderCunningham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who support me mixed in with more people who support me.

[–]homeyG75 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

safe spaces

God, I hate this phrase now.

[–]wwssd 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Words hurt, Dammit <sobs>

[–]crazyjeffy 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you (or anyone else) need someone to talk to, there's the free, anonymous, 24/7 Crisis Text line. They are staffed 24/7 by volunteers who have to undergo I think 40+ hours of training.

[–]CaptionBot 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bad Luck Brian

  • TALKS ABOUT DEPRESSION ISSUES IN A SUPPORT CHANNEL

  • GETS BANNED FOR TRIGGERING OTHERS

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're not one of them, you're not worth saving.

according to them.

[–]RidingYourEverything 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of my school nurse. She always had the same kids hanging out in her office. In first grade, my teacher told me I looked sick and sent me to the nurse. The nurse sent me back to class, because her office was full of her regulars. After a bit, my teacher told me to go back to the nurse, and I preceded to throw up all over the nurse's office.

[–]AngledLuffa 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

reddit/r/trueoffmychest is pretty good if you need somewhere to unload

[–]PokemasterTT[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am subscribed and has posted there few times.

[–]mynameisspiderman 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope things start to look up for you. Remember that you have to help it by making changes in your attitude and outlook. Things start to get better when you look at them better. Regardless, have a good day. Do something nice for yourself today.

[–]EzHerpes 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey, I'm not OP but thank you for your kind words. I needed to hear this today.

[–]mynameisspiderman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We all need a boost sometimes, and sometimes what we need is a kick in the ass. Forgive yourself, forgive others, try to look at a problem in a different, more positive light.

[–]Getyourpawsoffme 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reddit mods are the worst assholes on earth.

Also, triggering is a fucking joke-word. It has nothing to do with modern psychology. In fact, it is the exact opposite of what is recommended therapy by psychologists.

Immersion therapy is a psychological technique which allows a patient to overcome fears (phobias), but can be used for anxiety, panic, and sexuality disorders. The patient is exposed to the object of their fear in a condition with which they are most comfortable (LIKE, WHEN SAFELY AT HOME BEHIND THEIR COMPUTER).

[–]AlbinoMetroid 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Immersion therapy is good, but only if the patient sees it coming. Trigger warnings are there so the patient can take a moment to prepare and continue forward if they so choose.

[–]smileorwhatever -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you're saying immersion therapy is good for rape victims?

I think triggering is wayyyyy overused, but you sound like a dipshit who just took psych 101 to be honest.

[–]BigJ76 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's Reddit for you

[–]idealreaddit 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Triggering" is the biggest load of PC bullshit

[–]live_wire_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/depression exists. Post there instead.

[–]PokemasterTT[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I post there often.

[–]J4COB12 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/tumblrinaction

[–]teslator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chin up, man. Hope you're better now.

[–]amaduli 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your depression is really killing the vibe, man

[–]Meatsim1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Claiming to be triggered is just a way some people today use to become the center of attention. For some reason fragility is seen as the ideal, whomever can be the most fragile has the most authority in the PC crusade

[–]Brookhuis123 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People take that job to get better when you look at them better.