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[–]kuromatsuri 2679ポイント2680ポイント  (669子コメント)

Just mentioning this, most Satanists don't actually believe in Satan.

[–]playerofdayz 555ポイント556ポイント  (68子コメント)

They, instead, believe in themselves.

[–]KeepItRealTV 424ポイント425ポイント  (53子コメント)

It's basically a self help book.

[–]Aspel 395ポイント396ポイント  (48子コメント)

An edgy self-help book.

[–]Teik1066 189ポイント190ポイント  (28子コメント)

What do you think an wannabe edgy teenager in search for help stabilizing his life (but not willing to admit it) needs?

I think this book helped more people than one could think at first glance.

[–]Aspel 142ポイント143ポイント  (21子コメント)

Hah, that's an interesting way of looking at it. I wonder how many edgy little shits dreaming of shooting up the school picked up the Satanic Bible at a Barnes and Noble thinking it'd tell them how to sacrifice cats to Lucifer and then found stability and grounding.

I'm also just thinking of, like, Chicken Soup For The Soul with a black metal cover.

[–]Foxkill2342 48ポイント49ポイント  (12子コメント)

I bought it on Amazon to freak out a Christian roommate.

[–]Aspel 91ポイント92ポイント  (9子コメント)

The whole religion exists to freak out Christians.

[–]Toshiba1point0 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Satanism, the original Pastafarianism

[–]HBlight 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

And also to fuck over Zealous Christians who forget that allowing their monuments in public spaces means Satanists get their monuments too.

"Oh, you are distributing religious books in schools? Well how about some Satanic colouring books! Oh, you don't want that any more? Well, ain't that a thing"

[–]sipofsoma 133ポイント134ポイント  (3子コメント)

And it has the added benefit of pissing off a bunch closed-minded fundamentalists at the same time! Hail Satan!

[–]KeepItRealTV 20ポイント21ポイント  (9子コメント)

I really don't remember anything in the book that's really out there other than the title. Except for when the it jokes about casting spells through orgasms which is probably a joke.

[–]wormspeaker 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey guys! This bloke don't know about orgasm magic. Let's all point and laugh!

[–]Show-Me-Your-Moves 63ポイント64ポイント  (3子コメント)

Believe in me! The me who believes in you!

[–]silverslayer33 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Simon... don't forget. Believe in yourself. Not in the you who believes in me. Not the me who believes in you. Believe in the you that believes in yourself.

[–]Mercarcher 61ポイント62ポイント  (4子コメント)

They are actually more of a civil rights group similar to the Freedom From Religion Foundation. The Satanic Temple uses satanic imagery to force Christians to obey the establishment clause of the constitution by creating satanic equals to christian things.

Example, if a school system is allowing someone to pass out christian literature the satanic temple will pass out satanic literature until the parents get mad and make the school stop them which in turn makes the school stop the christian literature.

Another example was that Oklahoma had the Ten Commandments in a monument on their state legislative grounds, so the Satanic Temple petitioned to erect a satanic statue right next to it until Oklahoma had the Ten Commandments monument removed.

The Satanic Temple is a wonderful organization that promotes nothing but positive things in the world. They are the hero we need.

[–]Artiemes 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like a kinder brand of /r/atheism


LaVey Satanism: basically /r/motivation

[–]Socrates_Burrito 597ポイント598ポイント  (99子コメント)

Ya, when verifying the post, this was a TIL for me

[–]LBowDeepNYerMumsAss 1068ポイント1069ポイント  (83子コメント)

You verify posts?

What the fuck kind of redditor are you?

[–]KingHodorIII 68ポイント69ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's saying he did an ocular assessment of the post, garnered that it was not a security risk and cleared it for submission.

[–]mrsilas13 323ポイント324ポイント  (22子コメント)

The hero we need, but not the one we deserve.

[–]2totwo 44ポイント45ポイント  (20子コメント)

Well we just heard that we all need Satan, so I guess we deserve Jesus. /u/Socrates_Burrito confirmed for Jesus.

[–]mood_indigo 41ポイント42ポイント  (11子コメント)

I always hoped that our Lord and Savior would come in a delicious, burrito form.

[–]ChiefFireTooth 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally. I found out the same while running DNA and background checks on OP and the congressional inquiry investigative committee that I usually assemble before reading Reddit said as much. So yeah, your sentence is true.

[–]Bcadren 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are a lot of schools of Satanism, the most common one literally is taking it to mean "Anti-Christian hypocrisy", but then there are those that actually try to summon demons...and several others. There's one group that believes that we are all already in hell...it's interesting stuff.

[–]Barimen 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

the most common one literally is taking it to mean "Anti-Christian hypocrisy"

AKA LaVeyan Satanism, named after the founder of Church of Satan, Anton Szandor LaVey. Despite the name, there's no religion involved.

then there are those that actually try to summon demons

AKA theistic Satanism.

[–]SatansLittleHelper84 418ポイント419ポイント  (178子コメント)

The seven tenets of Satanism are much more reasonable than anything in the Bible or Quran.  

1 - One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.  

2 - The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.  

3 - One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.  

4 - The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.  

5 - Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.  

6 - People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.  

7 - Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word

[–]ctindel 164ポイント165ポイント  (119子コメント)

What does any of this have to do with satan?

[–]Zetavu 376ポイント377ポイント  (10子コメント)

I think they got confused with satinism, the eternal strive to avoid high gloss finish.

[–]moxbuncher 264ポイント265ポイント  (18子コメント)

Satan (like so many rebellious figures before him, e.g. Prometheus) is used as a symbol by many satanists precisely because he questions blind faith and total authority to the point that hed rather be cast into hell and fight to regain paradise in his own ways than bow down to a god who in spite of his acclaimed omnipotence was still subject to the flaws of Satan's being (his freedom of mind). Ironically this flaw was what caused Satan to rebel in the first place.

Edit: and as pointed out many times here, Satan is just mainly used as a symbol for rebellion against all that blind faith in religion represents: which thus makes for a very humanistic but individualistic way of living.

[–]Choppersaurus 29ポイント30ポイント  (15子コメント)

Whoa, mind blown. I've always been confused by Satanism, just because of it's name and it's association with Western culture's view that it's evil. To me, it's almost similar to Atheism.

[–]pissfizz 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's almost as if the church wants you to fear questioning blind faith and authority.

[–]bpusef 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a pretty bad choice of a name is all. Well, perhaps not a "bad" name per se but definitely one that can be misinterpreted, which perhaps was the point all along.

[–]MrClimatize 209ポイント210ポイント  (58子コメント)

Nothing. Satanists don't actually believe Satan exists, nor do they worship any kind of deity because they believe that each individual is his own personal God. The things satanists believe in and teach are actually pretty sensible. Satan is just an idea that freedom, respect for others, and respect for the self should be the most important parts of a person's life. If only they hadn't used Satan as their symbol, it might be something that many more people could get behind.

[–]HooMu 130ポイント131ポイント  (39子コメント)

The name itself is just bad PR.

[–]Sparrow8907 58ポイント59ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it was actually LeVay making a coy statement that if there's any person the Catholic Church owes the most too, it's Satan. Since it's through the fear of him and eternal damnation that the Church managed to make so much cultural head-way in the conversion of people.

[–]doohicker 106ポイント107ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yeah. WTF.

Leader: "Hey guys I got this really good set of principles to follow. It's better than the bible and all that shit. What can we name it so people can trust and follow?"

Fred: "Satanism."

Leader: "Perfect. Thanks Fred."

[–]Pretzell 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

What can we name it so people can trust and follow?"

Half the point of the religion is to not have blind followers that can be easily manipulated. So calling it satanism furthers that aspect of it

[–]AgtPuntVyf 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really. It's a direct reaction against Christianity. In fact, Satan is far from the worst character in the Bible. He only killed ten people, while God killed several million at least.

[–]moxbuncher 24ポイント25ポイント  (9子コメント)

I think it's clever. It works like a deterrent.

[–]Zykatious 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm, my friend is a Satanist, the whole point is that they want people to actually understand what they're about before jumping in with them. I don't get it, personally, but there you go. They are pretty elitist, tbh.

[–]Mercarcher 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I posted this elsewhere but its a good explination for you too.

They are actually more of a civil rights group similar to the Freedom From Religion Foundation. The Satanic Temple uses satanic imagery to force Christians to obey the establishment clause of the constitution by creating satanic equals to christian things.

Example, if a school system is allowing someone to pass out christian literature the satanic temple will pass out satanic literature until the parents get mad and make the school stop them which in turn makes the school stop the christian literature.

Another example was that Oklahoma had the Ten Commandments in a monument on their state legislative grounds, so the Satanic Temple erected a satanic statue right next to it until Oklahoma had them both removed.

The Satanic Temple is a wonderful organization that promotes nothing but positive things in the world. They are the hero we need.

[–]nettypovel 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

i thought satanists liked satan for giving them the fruit of knowledge in the book of genesis?

[–]nesai11 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

That is part of it. Christians are taught that Satan is evil for giving man the tree of knowledge "so they may know good from evil as God does". He gave us the light of knowledge. Christians are taught to forgo knowledge and that faith and obedience is all that is they need. For this, Satan makes a great mascot for the movement

[–]sigilvii 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all a metaphor. Do you blindly follow or think for yourself?

[–]X-anonymous-X 29ポイント30ポイント  (5子コメント)

A lot of people believe that satan doesn't stand for evil, but instead for free choice. Whereas god is a constricting force to stop people from committing evils, in satanism they are saying that everyone has the right to choose their paths in life. It's an interesting point of view. I like it, but the connotations with "Satan" is too strong for me to convert to their religion haha lol

[–]Takeela_Maquenbyrd 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

How about this? You follow the basic tenants, but don't call yourself a satanist. Then people will just confuse you for an atheist, which as we all know, has no social stigma.

[–]launcher87 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

its like an antithesis to christianity. christianity preaches that people should disregard this life and its materialism and focus on the afterlife whereas satanism preaches that there is no afterlife and people should focus on the material world

[–]unicornthecharles 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't, they just borrow his name and like how he is portayed as a fictional character. Satan's name means "the adversary", and some of the first Satanists basically wanted to be adversary's to the church. It's like atheism, but edgier.
People who worship Satan are distinct. We call them Devil Worshipers, like those horrible kids who sell their soul in lots while playing games like Dungeons and Dragons /s

[–]Choppersaurus 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously? So just be an individual and not bend to the the wills of others? No sacrificial goat?

That's something I can get behind, will have to look that up.

[–]peterjolly 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well guess I'm gonna be a Satanist then.

[–]BoogerBagels 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you're talking about Atheistic Satanism, then yes. if you're talking about Ancient,Pagan,Spiritual,Saturn Worship. then that is a whole new thing. you're speaking of Lavey "Satanism".

[–]NoFunAloud 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which yes we are because that's the symbol in the picture.

[–]Snake101333 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hopefully people understand this. Them seem to think satanists are just a bunch of devil worshipers who drink goat blood while dancing around a pentagram. The satanic bible restricts them from a lot of stuff that many people would say is okay. Also satanism is just the belief of going away from God like Lucifer the fallen angel did. They may have faith but regardless they're trying to distance themselves from God (possible gearing towards another religion). I'm Catholic but I like to be informed before I make a decision

P.S. Please correct me if i'm wrong

[–]NEEDZMOAR_ 46ポイント47ポイント  (131子コメント)

confused

[–]kuromatsuri 228ポイント229ポイント  (39子コメント)

Basically, Satanism is based on the character "Satan", but most Satanists don't actually believe that Satan is real. There are certainly some that do, but most are actually atheists who follow a set of guidelines provided by their Atheistic Satanism.

[–]waiting_for_rain 206ポイント207ポイント  (19子コメント)

I read that as Athletic Satanism and was like "Good on those folks for trying to stay healthy!"

[–]ExtraGuacPlease 55ポイント56ポイント  (13子コメント)

I read it as Aesthetic Satanism and thought the same thing.

[–]DOCTORNOBLE6 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

S A T A N I S A L L I N Y O U R H E A D //// Э С Т Е Т И Ч Е С К А Я ////

[–]jbcgop 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

TIL Santanism is reformed Judaism.

[–]greasywiener 65ポイント66ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's a form of anti-authoritarianism in a way, God representing the ultimate form of authority and blind obedience, while Satan is seen as someone who doesn't follow blindly and questions authority. It's also used to prove a point in some cases, like if there's a blatant Christian display somewhere you can put up something Satanic and everyone gets mad, but it illustrates the point better than being a whiny atheist.

[–]Dead-phoenix 129ポイント130ポイント  (80子コメント)

A lot Satanists are atheists and basically use Satan as a symbolic fuck you to religion. (some are theists). LaVey satanists (the most common one I know of) basically believe that life is here to be enjoyied, as long as you don't hurt others.

[–]kerochan88 57ポイント58ポイント  (29子コメント)

Sounds like a pleasant thing to believe in. I'll bet they'd get more followers of they'd change the name lol.

[–]ABCosmos 78ポイント79ポイント  (8子コメント)

Sounds like a pleasant thing to believe in. I'll bet they'd get more followers of they'd change the name lol.

They are using "Satanism" also to ensure the separation of church and state.. If Christians want a statue in a court house, the Satanists could demand the same. The fact that they are "Satanists" really scares Christians and all of a sudden they agree to no statues.

[–]joavim 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

So it's sort of like what the Flying Spaghetti Monster religion is trying to achieve.

I bet Satan loves pasta.

[–]tumtadiddlydoo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

More or less. A good way of putting it is that Atheistic Satanism is a more serious version of Pastafarianism.

[–]Unmormon2 87ポイント88ポイント  (15子コメント)

They probably prefer to have members who have broken down the traditional dogma enough to not find the name offensive.

[–]hokie_high 18ポイント19ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's one thing to prefer an exclusive group of like minded individuals, another thing entirely to allow the majority of the population to associate you with worshipping the literal embodiment of evil...

[–]Unmormon2 48ポイント49ポイント  (8子コメント)

They probably think anyone who believes there is a literal embodiment of evil is rather foolish.

[–]flee_market 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

This, precisely. It's a built-in shit test for intelligence.

[–]hokie_high 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Be that as it may, the notion that unintelligent people are prone to be religious doesn't always necessarily work the other way around.

[–]Unmormon2 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

But why does it matter? There are over 5000 religions in the world, why should one that is essentially an anti-church need to appeal to as wide an audience as possible?

[–]mechanical_animal 35ポイント36ポイント  (12子コメント)

Anton LaVey's Church of Satan actually incorporated wiccan rituals and beliefs. It wasn't just a live and let live life philosophy.

[–]derkerbal 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The vast majority of Satanists are followers of the philosophies of Anton LaVey. Satanism to them is largely a philosophy and not a theology.

The gist of LaVeyan Satanism is the pursuit of things which serve oneself (read as: enjoy yout life). This is moderated to varying degrees. So if you want to get your fuck on, go right ahead but not at the cost of raping someone. They're the antithesis of puritanism in many respects.

[–]chuckalew 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's basically a troll used by mostly secularists. For example when city halls decree that the manger scene can stay up but all other religions can also put a display, the satanists are always there to drop a trollworthy lucifer display and rock your christian values to the core! Basically the idea being that we shouldn't display any religious symbols on city hall, so if you're going to insist Jesus is there, we're also going to display Jesus's arch enemy there.

[–]ZealousGhost 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh that is kind of like Scientology which doesn't really have anything do to with science.

[–]yagnateja 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Adding to that, most satanists are Atheists who view the word Satan as the one who questions/opposes.

[–]dingus_bringus 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

they're pretty much just kind of buddhists with a name to piss off christians.

[–]SoberInSpace 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pretty sure that a Satanist who actually does believe in Satan is technically speaking just a very weird Christian.

[–]GrimReefer_420 570ポイント571ポイント  (62子コメント)

Hail Ghost

[–]Scarbane 265ポイント266ポイント  (12子コメント)

Papa bless

[–]Paddy32 55ポイント56ポイント  (4子コメント)

He's the shining and the light

without whom I cannot see.

[–]Lillynorth 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

And He Is, Insurrection, he is spite, he's the force that made me beeeee

[–]popolleke 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He iiiis Nostro dis pater, nostr' alma mater. He is.

[–]jpGrind 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reading this made me hear the opening guitar notes. And it gave me goosebumps.

[–]DansSpamJavelin 64ポイント65ポイント  (7子コメント)

Fuck yeah Ghost! I remember being at Download Festival one year and it was absolutely pissing it down with rain so we ran into this half empty tent where they were just about to start. Has to be one of my favourite festival moments, from the second they came out I fucking loved them. So good.

[–]Backstop 44ポイント45ポイント  (8子コメント)

In case anyone is confused here, the bottom image is of Papa Emeritus, the lead-singer character of the Swedish metal band Ghost which recently won a Grammy for their single Cirice and because this is reddit I must mention that Dave Grohl produced (and appeared on) one of their albums, If You Have Ghost, which was a few covers of decidedly non-metal songs.

[–]FAcup 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

I would say they have more of a prog feel about them, albeit on the more metal side.

I should specify I like metal.

[–]VladimirPocket 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

All hail Papa Emeritus III

[–]ClydeGreen 30ポイント31ポイント  (9子コメント)

Going to see them in May! My first concert, Im hyped af

[–]c0rinecan 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I saw Ghost in October and they put on a great show! I'm hyped af for you.

[–]Antones158 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

You will love it my friend. Papa is pretty funny too! All in all though, great band live.

[–]Azmorium 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you have Ghost...

[–]Evansidea 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have everything.

[–]FAcup 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love nothing better than swaying along to this song after a few beers.

[–]bman7653 34ポイント35ポイント  (6子コメント)

They the real prime mover

[–]Spifffyy 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

From the pinnacle to the pit, I say!

[–]7noviz 784ポイント785ポイント  (114子コメント)

Sikhism has a different take: "We are born of woman, we are conceived in the womb of woman, we are engaged and married to woman. We make friendship with woman and the lineage continued because of woman. When one woman dies, we take another one, we are bound with the world through woman. Why should we talk ill of her, who gives birth to kings? The woman is born from woman; there is none without her. Only the One True Lord is without woman" (Guru Nanak, Var Asa, pg. 473)

[–]wiiya 364ポイント365ポイント  (19子コメント)

It's an interesting take, but I'm 80% sure that the rest of this thread will devolve into sikh/sick puns.

[–]UnoriginalUsername17 101ポイント102ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ah, the Tupac verses.

[–]yaharon 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Visions of a Guru was his best album.

[–]kroncw 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

♪, ♫ "I think it's time to kill for our women

Time to heal our women, be real to our women" ♪, ♫

[–]Aspel 41ポイント42ポイント  (17子コメント)

I don't know much about feminism in Sikhism, but that does sound a bit disposable. "When one dies, we take another". Reminds me of Job, where wives and children exist only to reward Job for being scared of an omnipotent powerfaithful to God.

[–]ja734 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

That one passage is a bit odd, but overall sikhism does actually treat women very well overall compared to just about any other religion. Its one of the few religions where women arent prohibited from holding leadership positions.

[–]asylum117 80ポイント81ポイント  (9子コメント)

The guy at the bottom is from a band called Ghost B.C. If anyone interested

[–]BrainOil 71ポイント72ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's just Ghost now. Lawsuit is over, they won. http://loudwire.com/ghost-no-longer-obligated-to-use-b-c-in-name/

Edit: wasn't a lawsuit

[–]duffkiligan 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

Since there have been various bands called Ghost in the past, many fans assumed a lawsuit had taken place, but this is not the case. According to the Nameless Ghoul, the parent company that owns Ghost’s record label, Loma Vista, took the precaution to block a potential lawsuit.

You literally linked an article that says there was no lawsuit.

[–]regimentIV 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was always Ghost. They were called Ghost B.C. only in US America.

[–]Fit_Official 127ポイント128ポイント  (17子コメント)

Totally read this in Papa's voice. He's such an awesome frontman.

He's the shining in the light, without whom I cannot see...

[–]Chasethelogic 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

All the way from the pinnacle....

... to the pit.

[–]blokeski 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

He will wear his independence like a crown.

[–]Crustice_is_Served 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

He couldn't even get a "hail satan" into his Grammy acceptance speech though, pretty disappointed tbh

[–]___NAUSICAA___ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait, Ghost got a Grammy?

[–]Overrwatcher 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

They won best metal song, for Cirice. For obvious reasons, it wasn't shown on the main broadcast.

[–]CarpeDiem807 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah... in my head I kept hearing him we say "we'd like to thank our dark lord and master...Lucifer...without whom none of this would have been possible.... also... thank you to Donald Trump, your nation's next great leader... may the blood of the innocent and chaos rain down for a thousand years under his glorious rule"

[–]servvits_ban_boner 71ポイント72ポイント  (2子コメント)

Everyone needs Ghost. If you have Ghost, you have everything.

[–]potatopat 392ポイント393ポイント  (113子コメント)

This is taken out of context. It's supposed to be more like an ancient decree of child support for rape victims. Because virgins lost most of their appeal as a marriage prospect of they were raped, the law would help to ensure financial stability for the woman and her children by forcing the rapist to marry and provide for her. And according to this bible website that came up on a Google search, there was precedent at the time for the father of the victims to not have the rapist marry he victim if the father thought she would be better provided for otherwise. They still didn't like rape, which is why if you raped a married woman they'd stone your ass dead. Then again the bible is largely an outdated set of stories that have been exaggerated to get the point across so there's that.

http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-could-the-bible-command-a-rape-victim-to-marry-her-rapist/

[–]ElegantBadger 71ポイント72ポイント  (38子コメント)

Makes sense, but wouldn't that be a flawed policy? The girl might be protected in terms of finances that way, but she's living with a violent person if her father marries her off to the rapist. That's a direct threat to her safety.

[–]tirmanadir 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

She didn't have to marry him, but the rapist had to agree to marriage with her.

[–]enigma105 105ポイント106ポイント  (29子コメント)

It's absolutely flawed, but remember that this (the specific law this is referencing) was written 4-5 thousand years ago. Those laws applied to the nation of Israel as it was being formed. I believe they were progressive for the time (though a historian may tell me I'm wrong).

Nowdays, they are viewed as an illustration of depraved humanity. How messed up it was that people need to be told this stuff.

[–]leftboot 61ポイント62ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was progressive and probably one of the few things that could be done. There was no church on the corner that would take her in, no housing for the poor, etc. They were a wandering nation that was in constant battle with neighboring tribes. That's the nature of the time and not necessarily because le god is a dick.

[–]Anggul 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. The laws of Israel were for the times and circumstances they were living in. After the Messianic prophecy was fulfilled and Jews were no longer the chosen people, Jesus made the Mosaic law redundant. The principals behind it are still valid, but the law of love that Jesus stated is all that was needed from that point on.

[–]NosDarkly 127ポイント128ポイント  (15子コメント)

It was actually progressive thought at the time, just like "eye for an eye" suggests not punishing stealing bread with death. But what was progressive then is quite draconian now, which is why modern society should perhaps not be governed by the ramblings of cavemen.

[–]targumures 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was actually progressive thought at the time

Yeah, so was the Quran in many ways. The problem is, these books are taken seriously now.

[–]ZapActions-dower 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Come on, they weren't cavemen. They were shepherds in the desert.

[–]DragonTamerMCT 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yup, not only that, but whatever that quote is from, it's horribly translated.

Basically it's she can marry him if she chooses. As punishment for him, and financial security for her and her child. Basically he'd become their life long butler. More or less.

Sad I had to find this this far down.

[–]Beyonce_Fanatic 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be fair, there is a difference between Satanism and satanic worship

[–]johnknoefler 69ポイント70ポイント  (20子コメント)

Actually, there is no place in KJV bible that condones rape. Let alone a payoff and purchase of the victim. I know the text in question and it's about punishing a rapist. If the girl is betrothed and she screams for help in a village then is guiltless and the rapist will be stoned. If she is not betrothed in marriage then he must pay her dowry and marry her but if she is against the man then she need not live with him but he must support her so long as she is single and he has no marriage rights. So basically, he pays her dowry and treats her as his wife which he must support while she is free to tell him to piss off and just enjoy his support. Usually if a woman was raped she had a hard time finding a husband. No one wanted a woman who was no longer a maiden. Not that it didn't happen, it was just more rare.

However, if the woman is raped outside the village walls there is a presumption of innocence on her part since the violation occurred where no one could hear her cries for help. So the rapist would be stoned if she was betrothed no matter what.

[–]nawariata 26ポイント27ポイント  (14子コメント)

Satanic Rules:

  1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
  2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
  3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
  4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
  5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
  6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
  7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
  8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
  9. Do not harm little children.
  10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
  11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

[–]RudegarWithFunnyHat 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

sounds like you'd generally think twice about ever entering anybodies "lair"

[–]Face_Roll 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

There's a signal? FUCK..I knew I was missing something.

[–]Soviet-Brony 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

For those wondering that's the second lead singer of the band "Ghost". Who recently won a Grammy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_(Swedish_band)

[–]skyburrito 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Eleven Satanic Commandments:

1 Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2 Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3 When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4 If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5 Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6 Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7 Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8 Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9 Do not harm little children.

10 Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11 When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

[–]karatekacartel 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mitt Romney is the archetypal white Anglo Saxon Christian. He doesn't drink. He doesn't smoke. He doesn't do drugs. He's all clean cut and wholesome. But what he does do is destroy people's lives by destroying companies for a profit. There's a lot of money to be made by putting people out of business. You know the part in Goodfellas where the mob takes over the tiki bar/restaurant? They buy huge amounts of liquor and food on credit that they resell out the back door for cash. Then when the credit is cut off due to lack of payments they burn the place down for the insurance money. Romney's company, Bain Capital, does essentially the same thing. But it's legal. Romney doesn't feel bad about it. He's a great guy because he doesn't drink,cuss or smoke and he goes to church every sunday. And this is what I see in Christianity. As long as you look and act classy then you can do whatever evil shit your heart desires.

[–]smccormick92 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Satanic Bible was also written less than 100 years ago.

[–]Vesp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost like one of those books wasn't written thousands of years ago.

[–]ENOaD 55ポイント56ポイント  (54子コメント)

Hail Satan

[–]MyOliveOilIsAVirgin 55ポイント56ポイント  (16子コメント)

Satan doesn't like hail. That's why hell is so hot.

[–]DarkRubberDucky 102ポイント103ポイント  (12子コメント)

According to science, Hell is cooler than Heaven.

[–]yash019 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Blasphemy!! The devil just made up those facts to lure you away from the flat earth, chem trail, anti-vaxxer truth

[–]duckmurderer 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to Dante, Satan is pretty chill.

[–]beepbooppeepoop 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't wait to see this on the front page tomorrow

[–]jetatx 30ポイント31ポイント  (19子コメント)

The Quran does not say that. This generalized statement in the picture is inaccurate and misrepresentation of the actual text.

[–]foggydogg 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

First, the Mosaic Law is hardly about letting a rapist off easy. The consequence for raping a woman engaged to be married was stoning (Deuteronomy 22:25). If the woman was not engaged, the rapist was spared for the sake of the woman’s security. Having lost her virginity, she would have been deemed undesirable for marriage—and in the culture of the day, a woman without a father or husband to provide for her would be subject to a life of abject poverty, destitution, and social ostracism. As such, the rapist was compelled to provide for the rape victim for as long as he lived. Thus, far from barbaric, the law was a cultural means of protection and provision.

Furthermore, there was precedent under the Mosaic Law for the victimized woman not to marry the victimizer if her father determined that she could be provided for in a more suitable manner (Exodus 22:16–17). Thus, the law was not designed to force the rape victim into an unbearable marriage, but to secure her future and that of her children.

Finally, neither then nor now, there is no perfect resolution for a woman who has been violated through the horror of rape. The modern–day solution of aborting a child conceived through rape only compounds the horror. Indeed, if we are completely satisfied by any earthly solution—even the death penalty—our moral sensibilities are seriously skewed. Ultimately, only eternity will make all wrongs right.

(Let the downvotes for offering the reasonable explanation begin).