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Restaurant dress codes: Sexy outfits for female staff may be discriminatory (cbc.ca)

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[–]Whiskeyjack1989Libertarian 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

If a private business has as its business model having attractive servers and waiters, what's the problem? They have every right to run their business how they want. Is it sexism if a strip club only hires the most attractive women?

[–]falseidentity123NDP | Soc-Dem 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

A private business must still adhere to the human rights code, sexism is a violation of said code.

Is it sexism if a strip club only hires the most attractive women?

That may amount to sexism. Its actually an interesting question...I'm going to look into that.

[–]Whiskeyjack1989Libertarian -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Read the Canadian Human Rights Act. There are no provisions for dress codes or attractiveness.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/page-1.html#h-4

For a strip club, they are hiring entertainers or models, thus who they hire is at their discretion.

[–]falseidentity123NDP | Soc-Dem 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Ontario Human Rights Code does in fact address dress codes: http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/iv-human-rights-issues-all-stages-employment/7-pay-benefits-dress-codes-and-other-issues

Since "attractiveness" is not a protected ground, you are probably right about attractiveness based hiring. If I looked into it though it may fall under sexual and gender based discrimination.

[–]Whiskeyjack1989Libertarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, interesting. I wonder how many provinces follow the same standards. Thank you for sharing.

[–]tdcanadaforbes 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

They have every right to run their business how they want.

Which country do you think you live in? Just because you're a libertarian doesn't mean the rest of us have to suffer the same fate.

[–]Whiskeyjack1989Libertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

We live in a Capitalist Country where the private sector is run by the Free Market. If a business decides they want to hire attractive women and enforce a dress code because they think it'll bring in more guests then that is their business. If the waitresses don't want to adhere to that dress code, that's their prerogative. If the patrons don't want to go to a restraunt where the waitresses are sexualized, they can take their business elsewhere. If enough people do, and market research shows that a more conservative dress code brings in more patrons, the business adapts or they fail. This is how the Free Market works.

Now, you may make an argument that the State should have the power to enforce dress code standards at privately owned businesses. And I'd say that's fundamentally wrong, the government should be limited heavily on what it can and cannot enforce. I beleive big government will strip away people's Liberty.

[–]tdcanadaforbes 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Forcing women to dress like skanks while the men wear shirts and ties is discrimination.

I beleive big government will strip away people's Liberty.

Guess what, not everyone believes that absolute liberty is the most important thing we could ask for. This is why we have discrimination laws and a hell of a lot of laws surrounding hiring practices and labour. Just because you think something should be a certain way, doesn't make it so. The worship of absolute free market capitalism is laughable and some people seem to treat it like a bloody religion. You even capitalized "Capitalist Country" and "Free Market."

[–]Whiskeyjack1989Libertarian 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right, and not everyone believes what you beleive. So get over it. See how fun it is to dismiss someone's opinion like that?

Sometimes you people sound like religious fundamentalists. Seriously. Forcing women to dress like skanks? It's a dress code. They don't have to accept the job. Has anyone even asked these women whether they mind or not? Would forcing the men to dress like skanks per the dress code set by a privately run business be acceptable to you? Or is it that we can't have women dressing like skanks that is the problem?

[–]tdcanadaforbes 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right, and not everyone believes what you beleive. So get over it. See how fun it is to dismiss someone's opinion like that?

Except your initial point and the main thing I'm responding to was "They have every right to run their business how they want." which simply isn't true. Then you followed up with a talk about proper noun "Free Market," which was also mostly false. I claimed that a business has laws to follow surrounding hiring practices and discrimination. So you basically just stated your opinion, whereas I'm actually backed up by Canadian Law and precedents set in court. It's why I asked if you knew which country you lived it. You have a right to your opinion, but when you start pretending that's the way our country is run of course I'm going to dismiss you.

Sometimes you people sound like religious fundamentalists. Seriously. Forcing women to dress like skanks? It's a dress code. They don't have to accept the job. Has anyone even asked these women whether they mind or not? Would forcing the men to dress like skanks per the dress code set by a privately run business be acceptable to you? Or is it that we can't have women dressing like skanks that is the problem?

Did you read the article? It answers pretty well every one of your questions.

edit: I had a bunch of typos and my sentences didn't make sense. They still may not, it's late.

[–]Whiskeyjack1989Libertarian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was one case where a woman won 6000 dollars for a bikini dress code. We don't have the details of the case, as they glossed over it. They spoke to two a dozen women it says, in the article, and some of the women's remarks were denied, clarified by the restaurants, or were genuine cases of harassment.

One lawyer said that there may be a case where men and women aren't subjected to similar dress codes; another where the restaurants should be more upfront with their dress codes. I actually agree with this.

Issues female chef's face from blantant sexism in the kitchens, that should've been the headline from this article, as that's a real issue that should be addressed. These women should be treated with as much respect as their male colleagues.

That being said, these are private businesses. And they can set their own dress codes. They obviously do it for a reason, as it says in the article; it's based on customer feedback. It makes money. If you want the government to regulate and enforce government approved dress codes, then fine, make your case.

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