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[–]TheCluetrain_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump or Cruz? Rubio-bots faulty debate programming cost him his shot. Trump is a dipshit blowhard while Cruz would be for me more scary because he belongs to some nutty Christian cult and has been brainwashed from birth on his role to bring the Kingdom of God to Earth. Whoever wins, we lose.

[–]potverdorie100% pureblooded Scando-Freisian Kaiser of the High Germans 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

The thing I would like to discuss about these presidential elections is that many people refuse to acknowledge the very real possibility that Trump can win the presidency.

EDIT: This became a longer wall of text than I imagined, oh well

At the beginning of the primaries, when people realised that Trump was polling very well, reddit was very dismissive of his chances to win the Republican primaries. Whenever I pointed out that Trump had boatloads of the kind of charisma that works so well for populist politics, touched on a lot of points that resonate with conversative voters in the US, and was getting more media coverage than any other Republican candidate, I kept getting rationalisations for why he'd never stand a chance: "The early polls don't say anything", "the GOP establishment doesn't like him", "people will end up voting for a moderate anyway", and so on.

Now we're at the point where it is almost certain that Trump will be the Republican candidate, and you see the same kind of sentiment about his chances for the presidency: "He doesn't have the minority vote", "he'll never attract the swing votes", "people will vote for the moderate candidate".

Many people just don't want to realise that populist politicians like Trump can and do in fact win elections. It's happened many times, but for a very comparable and recent example, just look at what happened in Italy with Silvio Berlusconi.. he didn't just win once, he achieved multiple electoral victories! And Trump has similar things going for him as Berlusconi did, the confident charisma, the entertainment value, the ability to be controversial and dismiss it as a joke.

Trump has a growing cult of personality, and his campaign has a fervour to it that I haven't seen from the Hillary Clinton campaign so far. People shouldn't underestimate that this kind of populism with a charismatic figure like him can in fact take a lot of the swing votes. Many people still kind of treat him as a joke, but I think it's come to the point where we have to admit that his chances are becoming quite serious indeed.

[–]SchwertritterYurocuck 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's come to the point where we have to admit that his chances are becoming quite serious indeed.

I... I think he will win. And it's going to be the definitive proof of what America has become (has always been?). We all might have to pay the price.

And if he won't (Cthulu please let it be so), then even the fact that he was seriously considered will be proof enough. Just without the price bit, which is comforting.

[–]MissMesmerist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Republicans are more willing to vote for someone just because they aren't Democrat.

Democrats who want Bernie won't be so willing to vote for Hillary, and vice versa.

That's the problem with Democracy, being principled means you will lose.

[–]UncleSlackyTemporarily Embarrassed Millionaire 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

There are a couple of crumbs of comfort - the fact that the other candidates added together outpoll him (though this would require that all but one of them quits, a classic game theory scenario) and that the GOP machine would be loath to support him - I wouldn't be surprised to see a brokered or otherwise gamed convention where somebody like Kasich emerges as a compromise candidate.

[–]potverdorie100% pureblooded Scando-Freisian Kaiser of the High Germans 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it's a comforting thought that Trump doesn't have an absolute majority within the GOP electorate. But simultaneously I'm quite concerned that Trump's brand of populism could very well thrive in the strictly bipartisan presidential election. And I just really can't see that last scenario happening without incredible backlash from many the party backers, even those who might not otherwise support Trump. It could happen, but it'd have to be a true act of desperation from the GOP establishment.

To be clear, I'm not saying the battle's over yet at all. I think and hope that Hillary stands a very good chance against him. But when I see the discussion on reddit, he's all too easily dismissed, while people don't acknowledge the severity of the situation.

[–]NechaefI hate free speech! 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wouldn't be surprised to see a brokered or otherwise gamed convention where somebody like Kasich emerges as a compromise candidate.

I'm not so sure The GOP wants to take that bet. If Trump would run as an independent the GOP would lose and Clinton would win the presidency.

[–]UncleSlackyTemporarily Embarrassed Millionaire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

That would fit in with one of the various conspiracy theories floating around that Trump is only in it to ensure his friend Hillary wins.

[–]NechaefI hate free speech! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but I wouldn't go that far. Everything we have seen off Trump is a massive ego and I wouldn't put it past him to just moon the GOP and go ahead even without their blessing. Just because he is The Donald.

[–]UncleSlackyTemporarily Embarrassed Millionaire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

[ShitAmericansDo] Hitler-style saluting to Trump.

[–]UncleSlackyTemporarily Embarrassed Millionaire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I created these memes (via frinkiac.com) after watching the classic "Trash of the Titans" episode of the Simpsons and realizing that Homer is essentially Trump here.