(cache) RefreshRetryがLinux 4.5-rc7 releasedについて記入したコメント

[–]Gatorpatch 57ポイント58ポイント59ポイント 4時間前 (23子コメント)

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Because I spent 2 years experiencing the horrendous instability of the modern Linux desktop. I had forgotten what it was like to not be scared of restarting my machine. Turns out running apt-get update and upgrade can easily destabilize your computer no matter the distro you are running. Turns out also that it's near impossible to get very recent versions of software (software is consistently months to years out of date) and trying to manually install can easily destabilize your system. Turns out unrolling software using your package manager after the last install fucked up your system doesn't always work, so you are stuck booting into console. Turns out when using Linux you have to look at system/kernel logs...a lot. When using Windows you never even learn that logs exist.

Linux is something special, for very special people. I'm warning people that it's not for everyone. I'm warning noobs that have experienced instability that it will NOT get better, if you have non-granny-style requirements of your os or software you will fuck things up even if you spent months full time first learning linux. You WILL fuck your system over and over and over again no matter how tiny your needs deviate from the absolute default software installbase, because the Linux distro world is fragile as shit.

Don't lose 2 years of your life with Linux, just don't.

Edit: I will add that I had to consistently rely on another computer so that I could fix my main one. I suffered horrible health problems when these problems increased my already high daily stress levels by a considerable amount. Stress can truly restructure your brain, it can give you tingling to extremities, heat and cold feelings all over your body as if you are touching an oven, feeling of pressure on fingertips, body parts falling asleep randomly. Stress is the best mimicker of other diseases, do you want to experience the symptoms of horrible diseases? No. So I'm telling people stop with the ideological bullshit and spend your money on Windows. This isn't worth it. Maybe later the world will figure out a replacement for Linux, but there's nothing on the horizon for now.

[–]beersykins 66ポイント67ポイント68ポイント 4時間前 (5子コメント)

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[–]haagch [スコア非表示] 52分前 (0子コメント)

Go into your stupid linux system's logs and see the errors everyone is ignoring.

So what am I supposed to see? Other than stuff like

ACPI Error: Field [TMPB] at 294912 exceeds Buffer [ROM1] size 262144 (bits) (20160108/dsopcode-236)
ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\_SB.PCI0.GFX0.ATRM] (Node ffff88080e8caa50), AE_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT (20160108/psparse-542)

or

ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000428-0x000000000000042F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000400-0x000000000000047F (\PMIO) (20160108/utaddress-255)
ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000540-0x000000000000054F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x0000000000000563 (\GPIO) (20160108/utaddress-255)
ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000540-0x000000000000054F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000055F (\_SB.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP.GPIO) (20160108/utaddress-255)
ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000530-0x000000000000053F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x0000000000000563 (\GPIO) (20160108/utaddress-255)
ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000530-0x000000000000053F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000055F (\_SB.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP.GPIO) (20160108/utaddress-255)
ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000052F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x0000000000000563 (\GPIO) (20160108/utaddress-255)
ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000052F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000055F (\_SB.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP.GPIO) (20160108/utaddress-255)
ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x000000000000F040-0x000000000000F05F conflicts with OpRegion 0x000000000000F040-0x000000000000F04F (\_SB.PCI0.SBUS.SMBI) (20160108/utaddress-255)
ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver

which tells me that most likely my hardware is super crappy and the linux developers are doing some real magic there to still make everything work without the proprietary knowledge how to work around these problems that are only available in the closed source windows drivers.

[–]lordkitsuna 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)

My grandmother hardly knows left from right on the computer. I moved her to Antergos 2 years ago. She has had 0 problems since i took her off windows. I myself have been using arch for 4 years, install worked out of the box on my hardware . Again 0 issues. I shutdown each night i am never afraid to restart. Installed windows to play a game and right out the starting gate was having issues with missing drivers and crashing related to the drivers despite being directly from the manufacturer. Eventually got it working and stable bit i had to work towards that. From my perspective Linux is the significantly more stable OS. You talk about logs and errors . Have you ever taken a look at the Windows Event Viewer? A constant stream of errors and warnings even on a clean install. please take your trolling elsewhere.

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Maybe you should get those diseases checked out by a professional. Have you tried updating software on Windows? No? Why not? Because you have no idea how. Nobody updates software on Windows. If you ask someone, what's the worst thing about Windows, they say Windows update! But that doesn't even update the non OS software! Which you literally have to go out to the Internet to find every individual piece of software, download, run the installer, and often times reboot before installing anything else. For every fucking piece of software. Shit. I run Arch Linux. Know what I have to do? Click a button. That button updates all of my software, OS files, and even upgrades me to the latest version of the OS. I update daily with no problems. The update takes roughly 10 seconds, and almost never requires a reboot. Sure it takes know how to setup. But, once it is setup, it's nearly invincible and future proof. Not to mention it has the most comprehensive documentation you will ever see. Have you tried troubleshooting problems on Windows? I do. I work with Windows everyday, as an IT professional. Know what happens when windows breaks? Reimage. It's faster than sitting on the phone with Microsoft support for 4 God damn hours after googleing the error message only to discover that it means "undefined error" or some shit.

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[–]throwaway00x00x00 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前* (1子コメント)

I suffer from panic and anxiety because microsoft does not understand the first thing about working a technical job. The environment that I am subjected to is very noisy. They expect me to study unknown components in order to fix reported problems, but they are not ready to provide sane working environment. Their policies do not take into account mental exhaustion suffered while working. This is a company which has systematically boiled me like a frog. I am in a position where I cannot continue working for this company, and my health does not allow me to even appear for an interview.I am close to quitting the company. I hate its business policies, I hate that this company has acted in an ignorant way. I had a nervous breakdown a few years ago, because of the stress. My colleague has visited psychiatrist because of stress and anger over our job. I agree with all your assessments about stress and its dangers, but you'd be lying if you think that microsoft is a sane place, at least as an employee, to be in.

Edit0: If you do like ms products, then understand that ms loves its products more than anything - they are unable to hear any criticism of their products. Even if their own product was the cause of a problem, they cannot hear internal criticisms of the product.

The people I work with are ignorant about the outside world and that state is actually taken as the mark of loyalty towards the company. Working in this place is suffocating for someone who thinks every product in the world has both good and bad, but ms and you insist only on looking at the worst in everything non-ms.

The company assumes that anyone, who joins them with knowledge of Linux or other ms-competitor technologies, has joined because the employee hates non-ms technologies. You can see the sparkle of arrogance and joy in their eyes when they come to know that you have joined ms coming from Linux background.

In my case, my previous employer had employed me as a Linux developer, then thrust me into the job of supporting windows. At that time, I had no idea of the internal environment of ms. I continued to work on ms technologies, finding my way into the company and experiencing the shock of my life, which has now degenerated into mental health problems.

This company does not acknowledge the value of studying. It nevertheless uses your skills to its advantage, but on putting forward complaints about their policies they asked me to leave ("take 3 months leave, prepare and study and apply to Google" was the answer I had received).

I have a burning passion for contributing to Linux ecosystem, but as long as I am with ms, I refrain from contributing anything. I am planning to leave my current job and work from home fixing bugs in Linux kernel, hoping that after enough bug fixes, an employer can consider me for a full or part time employment so that I can stop burning my savings.

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[–]TheArtificialAmateur 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 4時間前 (19子コメント)

Linux is a large codebase that was never designed.

lol what? Linus didnt just throw shit together hoping something would stick.

It just became from endless additions.

Its just amendments which is great because it adds new content to the core of the OS instead of new icons and fonts like other OSes do.

It's terrible and no one understands it.

Its not terrible from a general perspective as developing something similar would take more than 10 billion US dollars. Also lots of people understand it, not sure how many people understand Windows since its closed source though.

the only reason it is popular is because it is free for companies

Actually most companies get RHEL for their servers due to the support and most companies use Windows for their employee computers. Linux is just really good at being a server.

Linux is still catastrophically failing on the desktop sector despite it being free, open source is a cool concept, and people have long hated Microsoft.

Its growing, but its hard to expand and compete against a company that has had +90% of market share for over 20 years.

"Do one thing and do it well" is a ridiculous concept

What? Why? I dont even see how this is relevant or makes sense, but would you build something well and have it work for a life time or do a shite job and have to fix it every so often?

sometimes software creators not being responsible for the distribution or at least the submission of software is a horrible idea

Is a circular pattern, more software = more users, which in turn equals more software.

the sharing of libraries on a global namespace is a horrible idea.

Why? coreutils needs to run on all users, would you rather have it copied individually to each user taking up space?

If you just want to spew shit from your mouth at least have it be sensible or funny.

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Also lots of people understand it

Read this:

In an interview with German newspaper Zeit Online, Linus Torvalds recently stated that Linux has become "too complex" and he was concerned that developers would not be able to find their way through the software anymore. He complained that even subsystems have become very complex and he told the publication that he is "afraid of the day" when there will be an error that "cannot be evaluated anymore."[12] Andrew Morton, one of Linux kernel lead developers, explains that many bugs identified in Linux are never fixed:[13] Q: Is it your opinion that the quality of the kernel is in decline? Most developers seem to be pretty sanguine about the overall quality problem. Assuming there's a difference of opinion here, where do you think it comes from? How can we resolve it? A: I used to think [code quality] was in decline, and I think that I might think that it still is. I see so many regressions which we never fix.

Theo de Raadt, founder of OpenBSD, compares OpenBSD development process to Linux: "Linux has never been about quality. There are so many parts of the system that are just these cheap little hacks, and it happens to run.” As for Linus Torvalds, who created Linux and oversees development, De Raadt says, “I don’t know what [Linus] focus is at all anymore, but it isn’t quality.”[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux

Compare that to what I quoted about Solaris.

I am of the opinion that Linux is only being worked on with bits and pieces of addition and removal without a proper overall design plan and committment to follow it. Therefore linux is bound to always stay on the course it set itself on a long time ago. A local maxima, if you will. This is actually very hard to avoid with open source software however I believe we are pretty close to a breakthrough in programming languages (no, not Rust, D, functional programming languages, or any of that) which will infuse a little bit of artificial intelligence and advanced visualization and analysis to make things a little bit easier going forward.

[+]RefreshRetry スコアが基準値未満のコメント-20ポイント-19ポイント-18ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)

lol what? Linus didnt just throw shit together hoping something would stick.

Do you think I'm a fucking moron with nothing behind what I'm saying? I'm not a fucking moron, genius, I've even written myself a kernel.

So, instead of responding to your endless nonsense let me just show you how dumb/wrong you are on your first response:

A linux 'hacker' reviews the solaris scheduler: http://ck-hack.blogspot.bg/2010/10/other-schedulers-illumos.html

""...The summary of my impression was that I was... surprised. Now I don't claim to be any kind of expert on code per-se. I most certainly have ideas, but I just hack together my ideas however I can dream up that they work, and I have basically zero traditional teaching, so you should really take whatever I say about someone else's code with a grain of salt. Well, anyway, the [Solaris] code, as I saw it, was neat. Real neat. Extremely neat. In fact, I found it painful to read after a while. It was so neatly laid out that I found myself admiring it. It seems to have been built like an aircraft. It has everything that opens and shuts, has code for just about everything I've ever seen considered on a scheduler, and it's all neatly laid out in clean code and even comments. It also appears to have been coded with an awful lot of effort to ensure it's robust and measurable, with checking and tracing elements at every corner. I started to feel a little embarrassed by what we have as our own kernel. The more I looked at the code, the more it felt like it pretty much did everything the Linux kernel has been trying to do for ages. Not only that, but it's built like an aircraft, whereas ours looks like a garage job with duct tape by comparison."

Go home TheArtificialAmateur, go home.

Let's repeat that, shall we:

The more I looked at the code, the more it felt like it pretty much did everything the Linux kernel has been trying to do for ages. Not only that, but it's built like an aircraft, whereas ours looks like a garage job with duct tape by comparison."

[–]whaevr 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)

[–]TheArtificialAmateur 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)

Do you think I'm a fucking moron with nothing behind what I'm saying?

Yes, or really misinformed.

I'm not a fucking moron, genius, I've even written myself a kernel.

Wow, congrats sure you have. /r/iamverysmart

So, instead of responding to your endless nonsense

That equals to "I dont know how to respond to all your oppositions"

""...The summary of my impression was that I was... surprised. Now I don't claim to be any kind of expert on code per-se. I most certainly have ideas, but I just hack together my ideas however I can dream up that they work, and I have basically zero traditional teaching, so you should really take whatever I say about someone else's code with a grain of salt. Well, anyway, the [Solaris] code, as I saw it, was neat. Real neat. Extremely neat. In fact, I found it painful to read after a while. It was so neatly laid out that I found myself admiring it. It seems to have been built like an aircraft. It has everything that opens and shuts, has code for just about everything I've ever seen considered on a scheduler, and it's all neatly laid out in clean code and even comments. It also appears to have been coded with an awful lot of effort to ensure it's robust and measurable, with checking and tracing elements at every corner. I started to feel a little embarrassed by what we have as our own kernel. The more I looked at the code, the more it felt like it pretty much did everything the Linux kernel has been trying to do for ages. Not only that, but it's built like an aircraft, whereas ours looks like a garage job with duct tape by comparison."

Thats not even relevant, he was just complimenting the Solaris code.

This is a joke right? This where you laugh for pretending to be autistic without realizing that pretending and actually being autistic is the same for anyone reading your lunatic rantings?

[–]TheFeshy 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)

. I most certainly have ideas, but I just hack together my ideas however I can dream up that they work, and I have basically zero traditional teaching, so you should really take whatever I say about someone else's code with a grain of salt.

Repeated twice:

The more I looked at the code, the more it felt like it pretty much did everything the Linux kernel has been trying to do for ages. Not only that, but it's built like an aircraft, whereas ours looks like a garage job with duct tape by comparison."

I think you forgot the salt. And also perhaps had too much caffeine.

Of course, you could also add salt because he's comparing it to BFS, which is an optional scheduler you have to intentionally compile in to try out, and maybe some more salt because just maybe having a more formal background and a dedicated team results in more "neat" code to read.

But if somehow you've forgotten to bring enough salt for all that, you only have to read down to the very next paragraph:

Now this would be a great time to take my comments out of context without reading on. The problem is that here was a scheduler that did exactly what I hate about what the Linux kernel scheduler is becoming. It's a monstrosity of epic proportions, and as far as an aircraft goes, it's like taking an Airbus A380 on a short joyride if you're running it on a desktop. It looks like a good, nay, great design for a massive airliner. By looking at it alone, I haven't got the foggiest what it might run like on a desktop. [...]So what do I think of it now? It looks like an excellent design for a completely different purpose.

What a scathing condemnation of the whole FOSS that is right there. /s

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[–]haagch [スコア非表示] 31分前 (0子コメント)

I have basically zero traditional teaching, so you should really take whatever I say about someone else's code with a grain of salt

The thing is: There are global companies like Intel, Samsung, nvidia, Google, etc. working on the linux kernel and many heavily rely on the linux kernel. If the scheduler was such a problem, they would have already rewritten it and would use a better one by default. E.g. on Android, literally billions of customers would be affected by it, yet android apparently only uses a slightly tweaked version of CFS instead of its own scheduler.. It's much more likely that the scheduler is the way it is because there's a reason for it - that it performs well for the workloads people use it for and over the years it has gone through through a lot of improvements that these companies can't beat with their own home-grown schedulers - or they would do it already.

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Its growing

Actually, now it's shrinking.

Why? coreutils needs to run on all users, would you rather have it copied individually to each user taking up space?

What I'm saying here is linux software is overly reliant on generic non-static libraries. When software relies on "general-library-name.lib" and its searched for in the general lib dirs then it becomes very hard to have another piece of software that requires a different version of that library. Now you have to go edit the fucking executable of all things to force the loader to load another version, which you've stolen from some random package somewhere, trying to hack together a software because it won't play nice with another one. Compare this to the Window's methods where software just doesn't interact so much with other software and things just work.

On Linux, distributions can't even support Python 3 without a significant hassle and planning.

[–]TheArtificialAmateur 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)

Actually, now it's shrinking.

This graph says otherwise

What I'm saying here is linux software is overly reliant on generic non-static libraries. When software relies on "general-library-name.lib" and its searched for in the general lib dirs then it becomes very hard to have another piece of software that requires a different version of that library. Now you have to go edit the fucking executable of all things to force the loader to load another version, which you've stolen from some random package somewhere, trying to hack together a software because it won't play nice with another one.

The package maintainers have it set and I've never had a problem.

Compare this to the Window's methods where software just doesn't interact so much with other software and things just work.

Yeah and then you have a downloaded copy of Direct X for every single game or program that requires it.

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The package maintainers have it set and I've never had a problem.

See, this is the problem. So you're a granny. You've never REQUIRED a newer version of a piece of software or a piece of software that does not exist in the main repository and adding another repository brings up conflicts which the package manager "solves" by fucking up your system.

I am not going to wait a few months to a few years for package managers (edit: maintainers) to plan an upgrade for the whole system so nothing conflicts.

Yeah and then you have a downloaded copy of Direct X for every single game or program that requires it.

No, I click on the 'no' or 'cancel' button because I already have DirectX. As should you.

With regards to your linux graph that is actually an awesome source, so alright I'm wrong in the general sense. The gamers however seem to be switching over to Windows, or something: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3040719/linux/linux-usage-on-steam-continues-to-fall.html

Less than 1% are Linux users now, down from 2% max.

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[–]TheArtificialAmateur 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)

See, this is the problem. So you're a granny. You've never REQUIRED a newer version of a piece of software or a piece of software that does not exist in the main repository

If you want your unstable new release so quickly get the testing repo then in a bleeding-edge rolling release distro.

adding another repository brings up conflicts which the package manager "solves" by fucking up your system.

Never heard of a system being fucked up just because you added a new repo, its probably because you are using untested and unstable releases.

No, I click on the 'no' or 'cancel' button because I already have DirectX. As should you.

Nah, don't use Windows. However I do know that Windows does have static and shared libraries like OSX and Linux, and I don't know how exactly Windows handles them, but I can only presume that each exe looks for them and if it doesn't exist it will install it like Linux does.

Every time you respond to less of my inquires, I think we're getting somewhere.

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[–]haagch [スコア非表示] 43分前 (0子コメント)

When software relies on "general-library-name.lib" and its searched for in the general lib dirs then it becomes very hard to have another piece of software that requires a different version of that library.

-Wl,-rpath /wherever/you/like

Now you have to go edit the fucking executable of all things to force the loader to load another version

Or make a trivial start script that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH. The steam runtime does it too with ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/run.sh

which you've stolen from some random package somewhere

You should rather report a bug to your package maintainer.

Compare this to the Window's methods where software just doesn't interact so much with other software and things just work.

The equivalent would be to compile -Wl,-rpath . and drop the libraries in the same directory as the binary. It's trivially possible, but people usually don't do it, because it SUCKS.

On Linux, distributions can't even support Python 3 without a significant hassle and planning.

Supporting python 3 is trivial.

Getting people to write #!/usr/bin/env python2 at the top of their python scripts - THAT is the hard part.

[–]bit- 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)

You are so wrong on many levels that it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about. Lets hope reddit will install some clue into you. Lets address points one by one.

Linux is a large codebase that was never designed. It just became from endless additions.

No software as large as Linux kernel is designed as a whole from ground up. Actually kernel itself is pretty small. Rest of it is endless sea of drivers (additions as you call them).

It's terrible and no one understands it.

Noone understands software as big as kernel. Noone understands FreeBSD kernel as a whole. Noone understands windows kernel as a whole. And that is completely irrelevant because people specialize nowdays. And quality of kernel is superior to anything else we have available.

It isn't a good OS, the only reason it is popular is because it is free for companies, they get access to source code, and it is cheaper for them to hire people to maintain the mess rather than purchase alternatives.

"Linux" is not even an "OS", it is just a kernel. And it is popular because it is rock-solid and free. It is hard to compete with such selling point.

Linux is still catastrophically failing on the desktop sector despite it being free, open source is a cool concept, and people have long hated Microsoft.

The average person does not give a two shits about what Microsoft is or does. There are several reasons why it is not catching on on the desktop. Primary reason is noncompetitive behavior from Microsoft itself. I has monopoly on the desktop and it does anything (legal or not) to keep it that way. We all heard of microsoft and OEM deals and such. Then we also have chicken and egg problem - games. Noone wants to use linux because most of games do not run on linux. Noone wants to develop for linux because there arent enough of market share available.

It'd be good when some of these Unix-lunatics as I call them got their head unstuck from their arse and realized that sometimes "Do one thing and do it well" is a ridiculous concept

It at times is. Linux kernel does not follow this philosophy as it is monolithic kernel - it does it all. Recently we have seen lots of hate for systemd which is another complex layer that does not follow this philosophy, however it improves usage of GNU/Linux tremendously. However its great concept for utility tools.

sometimes an unstable ABI is a horrible idea

Linux kernel never breaks userspace so i suppose you refer to what distributions do. However calling it "unstable ABI" is wrong. I think you mean GNU/Linux desktop fragmentation and cross-distro incompatibility. Problem stems from the package managers. Since they are so cool we can easily share libraries between software. And doing that is way simpler and cheaper. However since each distro does it's own thing they often base around different versions of certain libs. Therefore software built on distro A will fail on distro B because of those library version incompatibilities. Mind you ABI stability is worry of library developers, not kernel or distribution vendors. Windows does not have this problem because we simply assume windows has no libraries to offer to us. So we build all dependencies and bundle them with application. Guess what - same thing works on linux just fine. The only nuisance is fact that applications built with glibc are not backwards-compatible (if i get the term right). You cant build application with latest glibc and have it work on older glibc. Worse yet it does not provide means to target older ABI. But there are workarounds so we can live with this (however it really should be solved).

sometimes software creators not being responsible for the distribution or at least the submission of software is a horrible idea, and sometimes the sharing of libraries on a global namespace is a horrible idea.

It depends. You are right and wrong at the same time here. For some software it makes sense to be on distribution repositories where. Be it core components of distribution or software whose security is very important. However we indeed lack of good and easy way for software vendors to deploy software on all linux distributions at once. Currently it is painful. But its pain of developer, not user. I also loathe software binaries/libs being dumped into single directory. There was good reason for this however i am not sure today it is justified. But hey - it works and it is least of or problems in GNU/Linux.

But until then, Linux will continue failing.

It is flourishing. Even gaming is starting to get off the ground. And it seems to continue doing so. With continued development of systemd/wayland/amdgpu/steam for linux future looks bright for linux. Very bright.

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Linux is still catastrophically failing on the desktop sector despite it being free, open source is a cool concept, and people have long hated Microsoft.

That is because the effective cost of a Windows license is severely diluted (volume licensing, OEM pre-install) or simply nonexistent (pirated). Linux in a desktop form arrived too late on the scene to become so widespread on desktop (for instance Debian 1.0 was released in 1996, 1 year after Windows 95 was already providing a consumable desktop OS), plus Microsoft made sure that cost was never a differential factor by using every business tactic to gather hardware partners on their side and allowing pirated copies.

From there on, it became the monopoly that still persists today. Curiously, the same thing is happening with Microsoft's futile attempts at mobile, constant reboots and reinventing of the platform with 0 success against a fragmented and malware ridden piece of garbage called Android, which only in the last couple of years started to become tolerable. Just like only after Windows 7, after almost 20 years, Windows started to become tolerable. But the matter of fact is that Android arrived first at everyone's pockets and from there it's just a numbers game - more developers, more OEMs, more apps, more users, more share. Microsoft arrived too late at the scene by resting at the shadow of their own desktop monopoly.

So yeah, Microsoft is also failing miserably by now and as you can see, it hardly has to do with technical quality, as you try to make it seem by implying that no one wants Linux even while being free of cost.

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