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    [–]GenericUsername1326 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's exactly what it's for. It's a site where you choose who you want to date based on a picture. People who don't realize that it's only for hookups are definitely going to be in for a let down when that's all they get.

    [–]Adams2ndAccount[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    A lot of people nowadays find dating on Tinder. It's actually quite good for that because it goes off first impressions (like the real world,) and you both have to like each other before you can start talking (unlike a lot of dating sites that can receive unsolicited messages.) I know quite a few people that have met their significant others on Tinder. You just put "no hook-ups" in the bio section and usually the people looking for that find each other...

    [–]ImNotKennethAndrews 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's actually quite good for that because it goes off first impressions

    That's not good at all...

    [–]GenericUsername1326 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's actually quite good for that because it goes off first impressions

    That's the exact opposite of good. That is a shallow connection that will hardly ever lead to a good relationship. Relationships are based on common personalities, interests, and things that go well beyond a first impression.

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      [–]Blythulu 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I agree with this quite a bit, though there are more problems with modern feminism than just that one issue, it is a big one.

      However, I will say that I don't think the people making these sort of jokes want superiority. That is not something I've seen argued for anywhere. They argue for equality, they just do so very, very poorly. They see is as 'evening the playing field'. When you point out it's wrong to be sexist towards men because any sexism bounces back and hurts everyone no matter who you are aiming at, they'll usually respond with a huge list of grievances that they and other women have suffered and how the teasing doesn't amount to the 'same' amount of suffering.

      Keep in mind I'm not defending the people who do this, but phrases like 'fighting for superiority' sound very "#meninist" and that's really not what's happening. They are being assholes, with simplistic arguments and an ignorance that needs to be discussed, but I do not believe their motivations come from a place of elevating women to 'better'. They just have so many flawed understandings that they think this is helping reach an equal state when it doesn't work that way.

      [–]Adams2ndAccount[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Very fair point. It was a feed where women would post screen shots of Tinder messages they got, and I guess by mocking I just meant laughing at the messages. Laughing at them seemed like a way to take the power back, and stimulate dialogue about what made them that way in the first place. It doesn't play out that way in real life though...

      [–]celsiuszero 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Unfortunately I think it's missing the mark. Instead of promoting dialogue about gender issues and what makes men this way and how a woman can be empowered in the dating scene, it has a distinctly anti-man feel to it.

      With all due respect, did you expect anything else? Be honest with yourself.

      [–]GenericUsername1326 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

      She knew that I was a feminist and liked making fun of douche-bag guys, and I'd hoped it would be a place where men and women would both be able to mock and shame the sort of guys they are talking about.

      How on Earth did you think that the twitter wouldn't be anti-man? You went there with the intent to make fun of certain types of guys, not any kinds of girls. The intent of the page was anti-man, you went there to make fun of men, and now somehow you're baffled that it ended up anti-man.

      [–]DesignRed 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Alright, I have a couple questions:

      I'd hoped it would be a place where men and women would both be able to mock and shame the sort of guys they are talking about.

      Do you see the contradiction in what you claim to be the point of this Twitter is and what you're saying it's supposed to do?

      Instead of promoting dialogue about gender issues and what makes men this way and how a woman can be empowered in the dating scene, it has a distinctly anti-man feel to it.

      Why would you think it would be anything other than a anti-male circlejerk? That seems to be the entire point of that groups focus.

      Secondly why would you think mocking and shaming certain types of men would result in:

      More thoughtful dialogue will help men to better empathize with women, but women will also have to better empathize with men and not just vilify them. After all, a man is just someone who was born with a penis. Everything that came after that to make these guys this way is society's fault as a whole.

      Can you give me one example where this hasn't backfired in a splendid fashion? Why would any man care what feminists think about them, when this is the baseline; that they are simply broken and need to be fixed?

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          [–]Joelsef2898 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Men AND women are a part of society. I see too many people talking like the onus is only on men to change their attitudes towards the other gender. I should've clarified that further,

          [–]Blythulu 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Tbh I understand the sentiment, but I think finding a page that is more in line with your views and opinions and directing your friends towards that forum would be a better use of everyone's time than trying to change the positions of a page that already exists to be in line with your own opinions of how it should be run.

          It doesn't seem like that twitter is meant for dialogue like you wish it would be. It is much more about expressing individual experiences and frustrations, with honestly minimal contribution from the twitter page itself (as twitter is earnestly not meant for long discussions in the first place, so the OP only has one-sentence reactions to each image, which you are reading very deeply into) which is totally fair. The only real issue with it is that the title is misleading, and there are plenty of twitters with 'feminist' in the title that don't encourage dialogue.

          Finally, the page has less than 300 followers, so it's not as though there's a huge input from fans at all. I went through recent tweets and responses, and there is little to no fan interaction. So trying to say there are toxic, sexist conversations happening on there is blowing it far out of proportion.

          [–]Adams2ndAccount[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

          The one I'm on about has over 15,000 followers, so I'm not sure what site you were on?

          @feminist_tinder

          [–]draculauras 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          "Feministsontinder" gives no results except for a link to an account with 300 followers. "Feministontinder" has more results. Your title said plural feministS, so that's probably what Blythulu searched.

          [–]Adams2ndAccount[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Fair one, I put the link in the comments. Sorry

          [–]hhhnnnnnggggggg 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That's why I liked /r/menslib and created /r/femslib. I'm tired of the trash talking on both sides and it needs to stop.

          What you pointed out is one reason why, even though I love feminist discussion, don't hang out on tinder/tumblr and avoid the more radical feminist subs.

          [–]JoeCGC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The thing is Tinder is for quick sex and party mates, not about true love and shit.

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            [–]Adams2ndAccount[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Guess I'm on about real opportunity to change the dialogue that divides people along their sex and trying to empathize more with each other...

            [–]iloveyou1234 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Unfortunately I think it's missing the mark. Instead of promoting dialogue about gender issues and what makes men this way and how a woman can be empowered in the dating scene, it has a distinctly anti-man feel to it. The dialogue regularly lumps all men into the category of "men" and talks about them like they are the problem and are all a certain way, (all rapists or all creeps or all just after sex.) It is basically an outlet for anger, which only attracts the trolls, not the males who just want to work with women to understand each others experiences and find solutions. For a woman who is struggling through conflicting feelings about wanting to find a partner, but also feeling angry and disillusioned with the men she's finding, a site like this will probably only make her more angry and disillusioned. It's a vicious cycle.

            this entire paragraph basically describes the entirety of 3rd wave feminism and how it is seen on reddit and beyond. Until we can admit that this is a very real phenomenon instead of brushing it aside, there will be no change.

            [–]b u t t sMit_Iodine -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

            I just read a few days of tweets (they tweet a lot) and didn't notice the generalizing you're speaking of. Do you have some examples? Or is it more of a rare occurrence?

            Also, if you'd like to engage in serious, productive dialogue, you might want to select an account that isn't dedicated to mocking or calling out bad behavior. It's probably difficult to do both at the same time on Twitter.

            [–]Adams2ndAccount[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

            I don't think it's rare. The recent conversation about "nice guys" only buying women drinks in order to lower their inhibitions and have sex with them quickly took a turn to demonizing men, as did the Twitter feed about how many men who call themselves feminists are actually rapists playing an angle. Similarly, all the conversation I've seen about consent is always gendered. I've been following it for a few months so it's hard to say exactly, but this has been an idea in my head for a while.