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[–]Roku2021But what about the profit? 100ポイント101ポイント  (10子コメント)

58% believe that other races are genetically superior.

Literally the dictionary definition of racism.

[–]allhaillordreddit 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

"It's just race realism" /s

[–]xveganrox 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not just racism, it's a special kind of racism. If I had to rank which racism was the worst kind of racism it would be on the top of the list, just because of how blatantly dishonest it is compared to other kinds of racism. The "genetically superior" (pseudo)scientific racism is based on ridiculous disproved nonsense from the early 20th century.

[–]theDashRendarIronic Stalin is displeased by the lack of tanks 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ranking racism

So what're the best kinds of racism then?

[–]xveganrox 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Anti-racism! :p

[–]AshkuuRow Row Fight the Power! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, anti-racism is code for anti-white racism according to these fascists, so I guess that really is the best kind of racism. ^w^

[–]xveganrox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fictional kind? Yep, sounds right to me :P

[–]fuckinganything 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can I ask you something, do you think it's technically possible that some human races are superior at certain things compared to other human races? Is it not at least possible that this could happen?

The darker your skin the better you can deal with the sun without sun lotion. This is purely genetics. Does it make me racist to think that this fact is true?

Is it racist to have a preference to the characteristics of a certain race? If so then I am racist. But I know I'm not a bad person. I really don't know what to make of people like you's.

[–]Roku2021But what about the profit? 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am going to assume this is a genuine question and you aren't trying to push stormfront "race realism" bullshit.

The darker your skin the better you can deal with the sun without sun lotion. This is purely genetics. Does it make me racist to think that this fact is true?

Like most things in nature you don't get to have it all. In this scenario it is true that darker skin has a better time in sunlight, but it has a drawback of drawing in less vitamin D for example. This also doesn't mean they will never get skin cancer as a result of too much sun exposure. Everyone is at risk of skin cancer from too much sunlight. No, it doesn't make you a racist to recognize this. What makes someone a racist is drawing the conclusion that race a or b is superior.

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/statistics/race.htm

Yes, white people are more likely to get cancer by a few people per 100,000. That doesn't mean that white skin is inferior or superior. It doesn't mean that dark skin is inferior nor superior because it draws in less vitamin D.

Is it racist to have a preference to the characteristics of a certain race? If so then I am racist. But I know I'm not a bad person.

What characteristics are you specifically talking about?

[–]EarlHammond 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I heard only white people think that way.

[–]Lancer506Fuck Your Profits 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

XD hahaha

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 59ポイント60ポイント  (34子コメント)

What can we do to fight against the ridiculously scary and disgusting rise in fascism, not just on reddit, but globally? With Trump being basically Mussolini Round 2, Denmark falling under fascist reign against refugees, USA police turning more and more violent, fascism rising in popularity... We really need to start working. Actively.

[–]BecomingTeslaCDAP Member 27ポイント28ポイント  (13子コメント)

We can get out, and fight against the disgusting rise of fascism. Start organizing, right now. Find any socialist organization near your community and join, or form one in your community yourself.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm already in antifa and revleft groups, but they're so small. We can't do any large operations, and the Nordic Resistance Movement (Nazis) here are getting stronger all the time.

[–]BecomingTeslaCDAP Member 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Stay strong comrade, solidarity always. Find ways to close the physical/geographical gaps between you as best as you can.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you, comrade! This is truly a time for left unity, solidarity and co-operation. We should probably move away from reading theory (which is of course important - but in the background) to activism, agitation and education.

I should look into forming my own revleft movement, since the Leftist League (demsocs, 8% of voters) here are parliamentary and very pacifist and passive, and the communist party is also extremely off base with what needs to be done. How would one go about doing this, though?

[–]BecomingTeslaCDAP Member 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there is anyone near you right now who is a comrade, organize with them. Start reaching out to your community - start speaking out. Form it one member at a time, and take small, measurable and concrete steps to continue growing and move forward. Link up with anyone organizations in your proximity that stand in legitimate solidarity in the struggle.

[–]TheOlMoSocialist Youth 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

are you talking about nordfront in scandinavia? if so, what organisations are you a part of?

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Won't talk about anything in detail here, sorry.

[–]SheepwithShovels 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

We can stop alienating real working class people with our jargon and critiques of the things they like so much. I can't say much about other westerners but the average American worker happens to like the nuclear family, the concept of nation, and Christianity so they probably aren't going to be very receptive to claims that their faith is being used to control/pacify them or that their nation is a useless social construct they shouldn't care about. Middle class liberals might be receptive to that. Your average worker will not be. Not referring to everyone who disagrees with us as reactionary gulag material would also help.

[–]AshkuuRow Row Fight the Power! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I feel like we have the same problem as the Right with using language to obscure instead of convey information.

Seriously, mass line dat shit!

[–]SmienNorwegian Socialist Party 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Use our voice, we are smarter and know better then them. Their statements quickly falls apart if confronted, they heavily relie on spam

[–]heateanappleGeorge Orwell 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but that only goes so far; take the Woody Allen route!

[–]ZioFascist -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop provoking normal people and maybe they won't go full fash.

[–]bigblindmaxLibertarian Socialist -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Indeed.

I know a lot of people here frown on it, but our numbers dictate that broad-left action against fascists is probably the way to go. Personally, I've been trying to meet up and organize with angry liberals and progressives in my area to come up with some kind of contingency if things go bad. It's still in its infancy though.

One officer in our local NAACP is teaching women and minorities how to shoot. That could be a worthwhile endeavor.

[–]Happzboz 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

"One officer in our local NAACP is teaching women and minorities how to shoot. That could be a worthwhile endeavor." Sounds like a call to attack people you do not agree with, i could be wrong but it does sound like you are going on the offensive here.

[–]bigblindmaxLibertarian Socialist 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Helping people learn how to protect themselves isn't "going on the offensive", it's sensible. We have (often racist) bikers roll through multiple times a year and the KKK has a presence in the county.

I don't see where you're getting this "attack people you don't agree with" bullshit from, concern troll.

[–]fcltta -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm assuming you're American here (since you seem to love guns so much), but I feel I must point out the obvious fact that if we're talking about minorities using guns, that's that largest cause of minorities getting shot. Gun violence is not the solution to any wealth of societal problems relating to discrimination. It just compounds the problems.

[–]bigblindmaxLibertarian Socialist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh please, they aren't giving gangbangers shooting lessons. Also, fuck off with your bullshit assumptions about our minority communities.

[–]Circra 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Jesus fucking Christ the comments there are depressing. So much hatred for others. How do you actually get through a day feeling like that?

[–]Subclavian 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

They sleep soundly because they are so exhausted at the end of the day.

[–]Dageln 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I know, it is horrible. Not only that, but the fact those comments were supported by others. Surely that sub isn't a good representation of European demographics and thought?

[–]Benus_F 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

At least from my part of the UK, r/european's beliefs are only shared by 2, maybe 3 people i know.

[–]tigernmasDaonlaṫas, Saoirse is Ceartais 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In Ireland the leader of the party r/European supports got less votes than the Communist Party who are a tiny little joke of a party who entered the election late with next to no media exposure compared to the far right party running in a bye election recently and causing a ruckus when they started Pegida Ireland.

I know one guy who has similar beliefs to r/European and they were politicised by gamergate and go about pointing at books on logic saying "more people should read this". He also got a little offended when I laughed at the idea that youtube videos were a good source to base your opinions on.

[–]Circra 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As Benus_F pointed out, it's a small, but vocal minority. I've come across a few - had a manager years back who didn't eat Polo's because they were "Jew food".

[–]darwin42 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

27.5% fascist. 100% paranoid.

[–]AdamantiumEagleMarxism-Leninism-Maoism 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

27.5% are openly nazis, 100% are nazis.

[–]PoblachtObrither/CWI | Socialist Party Ireland | AAA-PBP 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not Nazi, but #1 with Nazis.

[–]SwedishCavalierRoyalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be a Nazi, one must be a National Socialist.

To be a National Socialist, one must follow and believe in National Socialism.

Surely this isn't hard to understand.

[–]Happzboz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Many people there are not Nazis. But yes way to stereotype.

[–]SwedishCavalierRoyalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm well aware of this fact.

[–]creeperintruderSocialist-Feminist 30ポイント31ポイント  (28子コメント)

In other news, the sky is blue, grass is green, and capitalism is horrible.

The only surprising thing about this survey is that communists and socialists actually exist in r/European.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (17子コメント)

I mean, sure, it's not surprising, but it's fucking horrible. And this is such a concrete sign that fascism is rising in popularity.

They're not real comrades, they're broscialists more likely.

[–]creeperintruderSocialist-Feminist 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The rise of the far-right in recent years is certainly unsettling. I suppose the only thing we can do is fight back; counter-protest, spread our ideas, educate people. It's going to be difficult.

Yeah, you're probably right, most of them are probably brocialists and nazbols.

[–]Happzboz 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Oh, the not a true scotsman fallacy.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's not a fallacy. Socialism is an ideology based on hundreds of years of theory, and all of it contradicts with people who are against social justice movements.

[–]Happzboz 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

I was talking about the "They're not real comrades, they're broscialists more likely.", so i responded to the wrong person sorry. To get to my point to the person i intended to write (sorry btw), You can't just claim, someone is not a "real comrade" but broscialist, just because they have taken part in that survey and browse that subreddit.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yes, I can. If a person goes to /r/European, and associates themselves with the sub, they're absolutely not my comrades for associating themselves with racists, fascists, nazis, rapists and wife-beating dipshits that go there.

[–]Happzboz 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Maybe there are real socialists over on /r/european. But why would there be rapists and wife beaters over on /r/european, never seen or heard anyone who says he is, or seen threads related to those things beeing put into a good light, rather the opposite is happening. And afaik Nazis are very anti-rapists, at least in my country many nazis want the death penalty for rapists and pedophiles, regardless of race that is in case you were going to mention that. So i would not be sure if these people would get along so good. Back to my original point, i dont think there are any rapists and wife beaters who are openly stating that over on /r/european.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

/r/European members are often RedPill members too. RedPill is littered with wife beaters and rapists. Therefore, there are lots of members of /r/European who are rapists and wifebeaters.

Fascism has been linked to hypermasculinity ideologically since Mussolini, and one part of hypermasculinity is the subjugation and ownership of women by men. People who view that they own people or are above them are violent to them, so fascists are more prone to be violent against women. They only want death sentences for rapists if the rapist is a POC.

[–]Happzboz 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

"They only want death sentences for rapists if the rapist is a POC." Not true. As i said, in my country, I do not know their agenda in other countries.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ah, yeah. Explains why fascists have been shown many times to be much more commonly rapists and violent criminals than people in other ideologies. Stop protecting fascists.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just read a bit of your history. /r/sjwhate? Are you serious? Fuck off, piece of shit.

[–]fcltta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They could just be lurking masochists. Sometimes I look at TRP when I want to soak in a warm bath of rage.

[–]SwedishCavalierRoyalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What is a "broscialist"?

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a term used for selfish fuckboy right-libertarians who think that socialism sounds cool, and anti-social-justice types. Usually if a "socialist" is anti-feminist, anti-BLM, or any other type of anti-SJ stuff, they're called broscialists. Mostly because 99/100, these types of people are also dudebros. And because you can't be opposed to any type of class trying to get to an equal playing field as the others, as a socialist.

[–]OscarGrey 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

I talked to some /r/European "socialist" posters on /r/Russia. They're just USSR nostalgists. According to them only Stalinism, Maoism, and Titoism are real socialism, everything else is anarchism. They also think that feminism, LGBT rights etc. have no place in socialism.

[–]ComradeFrunzeCajun Communist 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm surprised they'd even think about liking Mao or Tito if they like Stalin. Mao and Tito hated Stalin.

[–]OscarGrey 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

The guy I talked to said "maybe Titoism". His logic was that if a socialist doesn't believe in a vanguard party with a strongman leading it, they're actually anarchist.

[–]Subclavian 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

-_- So basically they just agree with beating people over the head.

[–]OscarGrey 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. This is the most common approach towards socialism/communism in the former Soviet Union. Which is why blind support towards Communist parties in Russia and Ukraine on /r/socialism is misguided. Typical "communist" in the former Soviet Union is sexist, homophobic, potentially racist, and just longs for the glory days of USSR. It's not surprising since many anarchist and Trotskyist works were banned in USSR till the perestroika.

[–]existentialrobotAnarchist Communist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd take it as a compliment, personally.

[–]AshkuuRow Row Fight the Power! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

r/ShitTankiesSay

[–]Dennis-MooreMake it So-cialism, number one 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mao hated Stalin

You sure about that lmao

[–]solistusPsychoanalytic Marxism 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

They also think that feminism, LGBT rights etc. have no place in socialism.

Kind of strange, given that the Soviet Union was one of the most progressive nations on theses issues for most of its existence.

[–]AshkuuRow Row Fight the Power! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they just have a uniform and strongman fetish.

[–]CrumblyButterMuffinsRichard D. Wolff 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Transgender bisexual/queer pyrofox otherkin that sometimes identifies as a trigender unicorn and is attracted to dragons

Because they couldn't reddit just a little harder than they already were. Nope, they needed to add some transphobia on top of their white supremacy and xenophobia. This site needs to burn the fuck down.

[–]AshkuuRow Row Fight the Power! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously, as a furry I've encountered otherkin and most of them just see it as a spirit animal thing. And a lot of them are queer/trans/nonbinary.

Also, one of the otherkin I know is a staunch socialist and IRA supporter, so there's that.

[–]rebelcanuckPermanent Revolutionary ☭ 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't try very hard to hide it.

[–]Kralte 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

People like to call themselves fascists, national-socialists, anti-communists and a vast array of other 'labels' without fully or even partially understanding what each of those terms means.

Most of the 'right wingers' I know are simply racists in need of an identity or people who 'hate communism because it allows the lazy to leech from the hardworking'.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't know about that, very very few people identify as Fascist without at least knowing its basic tenents. We have to start taking these people VERY seriously, because they are a serious threat to the entire world and our future.

[–]Kralte -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know, I find such fear-mongering on terms with the Red Scare, ask any right winger and he will love to tell you how oppressed he feels and how the government is 'putting him down' etc.

Also I see people use fasicst all the time if they dislike the negative connotations of calling themselves nazis. Such people have existed for a long time in Europe and will continue to exist, but developing society finds less and less room for their kind.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's definitely rising popularity for real actual fascists around the world, not just Donald Trump, but for example in Poland, Germany, Finland, Denmark, and Sweden there are actual fascist parties/movements that are absolutely on the rise in regards with respect and amount of people in them. For example, the leader of SVL, the Finnish Defence League, a nazi movement that's tried to kill some leftist leaders here (as in they've been charged with it), has been invited on a yearly talk show, with him representing an argument against refugees and immigration. They've given him a fucking platform to gain respect, which he inevitably will.

So yes, they are absolutely a fucking threat to our security, this isn't Red Scare type fearmongering, this is understanding the challenge we face.

PS: The talk show is hosted by YLE, a publically funded government-owned tv channel.

[–]Wandering_who 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

(1) idk about Finland but doesn't Denmark have a strong left party that is actually left and not neo-liberal light? The Red-Green alliance??

(2) Have you tried to engage the rank and file of the Fascists? I mean these people are frustrated due to austerity so why not go ahead and engage with left ideas?

[–]De_FactoSyndicalist 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Considering how many are still university students, they likely just haven't actually put in the time and effort to understand what the labels mean. They are Wehraboos.

[–]ThePotatoez 11ポイント12ポイント  (15子コメント)

Fucking Christ mates. I didn't know that sub was so damn right leaning, what got me were the hijab and mosque comments, fucking hell those where the worst. I understand why someone might not be all for undocumented immigration for all, but, ban fucking veils? Authoritarian bastards. Edit: The genetically superior part? Fucking racist authoritarian bastards.

[–]Lolita_HumbertLibertarian Socialism[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

For me the most disturbing one was that 60% think that white people are genetically superior.

[–]fcltta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought it was pretty striking that the sub was over 90% male. I know Reddit skews like 60-40 male, and yeah, I'm sure rampant misogyny has a lot to do with that, but it's not like there's a shortage of conservative women oozing internalized misogyny out their pores. Where do those women congregate, I wonder. Facebook? Pinterest? It's interesting that it's so gender-segregated.

[–]_delirium 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'm not surprised, since that's basically the whole point of that subreddit. It was created as an "ethnically conscious" alternative to /r/europe, which was the more mainstream European subreddit, and used to have fairly aggressive moderators deleting openly racist posts. Although /r/europe has now moved heavily to the right over the past year or two, mainly due to the shitshow over refugees.

[–]ThePotatoez 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

What do you think is the consensus of r/socialism on the fuckfest the migrant crisis is at the moment?

[–]tryintoimproveme 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fuck borders, solidarity with refugees! That's the only real socialist stance.

[–]Happzboz 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That is not really correct.

[–]fcltta 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Elaborate?

[–]tryintoimproveme 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's over simplified for sure, but how is it incorrect? Perhaps some socialists would argue against immigration... but in the end socialists are against borders and for solidarity with all opressed people. Which refugees are surely part of.

[–]Wandering_who -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well the posts definitely support refugees. Imo, there shouldn't have been a Global War on Terror and Neo-liberalism. However, since both happened, along with regime change.... a refugee crisis was created. I hope the countries that are in a position to help (Israel, Lebanon, Turkey, European countries and Gulf countries) should help. Unfortunately, alteast in Europe it seems people don't like poor dark skinned people who speak a funny language!!

PS: Refugees won't hurt your economy.... they'll help!

[–]Wandering_who 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't criticize the Gulf states because they are extremely authoritarian and critizing Israel for having inhumane policy is a joke!

[–]Happzboz -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Like they said the turkish migrant workers would help germany in the 60s and 70s, but they dont integrate assimilate or help our economy. You are so against the establishment, supposedly, but yet you believe the newspapers when they say, that the refugees will help our economy.

[–]Wandering_who 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You are so against the establishment, supposedly, but yet you believe the newspapers when they say, that the refugees will help our economy.

Your reasoning is ridiculous. The fact that I'm anti-establishment doesn't mean that newspapers are lying about everything!! Population growth, among other things, increases demand for goods and services which in turn causes growth...

[–]Wandering_who 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

but they dont integrate assimilate or help our economy.

Seriously? Didn't know that Germany was an economic basket-case. Not to mention you don't seem to realize that a large part of the blame for the lack of harmonious relationship actually falls on the dominant German ethnic group....

[–]Happzboz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

We've seen otherwise in our history (of germany). Take the turkish and arab immigrants for example.

[–]Wandering_who 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You haven't exactly made a point here....Turks and Arabs are just like any other ethnic group. There are people who do good and people who've shitty things, you know just like Germans. (In fact....if I were to stereotype, I could easily make a case that Germans are perhaps one of the most evil,hateful, warlike ethnic groups around)....

[–]seagramsextradrygin 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've been away from Reddit for a while, is this a subreddit specifically welcoming for nationalist Europeans? Because looking through the comments and the other results of the survey, it would be terrifying if this is just the crowd that naturally showed up to a generic continental subreddit..

[–]YourNitmarLibertarian Marxist 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it's a place where nationalist Europeans can hate on other people for being slightly different.

[–]Face_sitting_fanatic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

When they say European, they aren't referring to whether or not they were born there.

It's code for white.

[–]Subclavian 1ポイント2ポイント  (18子コメント)

They like Poland the most? Ew, Poles would hate their way of thinking.

[–]PoblachtObrither/CWI | Socialist Party Ireland | AAA-PBP 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Poland is quite heavily associated with Neo-Nazism.

[–]tupendousFarm Implements 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

isn't pro-communism 'banned' there as well?

[–]SheepwithShovels 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are reaching record level of irony.

[–]Subclavian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The people don't tend to agree with them. They remember Nazism quite well.

[–]ArcanessLong live Rojava! 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

As a Pole, not really. We have the most conservative government in Europe. It sucks.

[–]Subclavian 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Conservative doesn't mean facist however. I'm aware of how right they are on the spectrum but they aren't unreasonable even if I disagree with the direction taken. I feel like there's growing resentment of the government, at least from what I see. I might be lacking a lot of context.

[–]ArcanessLong live Rojava! 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well, because we're already so right wing, it's not much of a stretch to full fascism. I imagine they like Poland so much because they see the most potential for legitimate fascistization in it.

[–]Subclavian 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think the memory of past fascism runs to deep for it, at least that's my hope. Any move towards fascism would hopefully be met with backlash once they remember what happened in the last war and how it happened slowly.

That's happening in the US now, a lot of people are starting to see similarities between Trump and Hitler and while I have seen quite a few people advocate opening internment camps again, there's fierce backlash from most. It is my hope that compassion and logic will prevail for both nations.

[–]RampageZGamingthe kurds will win 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the memory of past fascism runs to deep for it, at least that's my hope. Any move towards fascism would hopefully be met with backlash once they remember what happened in the last war and how it happened slowly.

Sadly I've seen a lot of eastern european fascists say things along the lines of "That was German fascism. [X country] fascism is probably what we need right now."

[–]Subclavian 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jeez, are they common?

[–]RampageZGamingthe kurds will win 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not entirely sure because I don't live in Eastern Europe, however they're fairly common on the internet.

[–]SheepwithShovels 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

More right wing than Hungary?

[–]ArcanessLong live Rojava! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know too much about Hungary's political situation. Are you from there? Is it bad?

[–]SheepwithShovels 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I am not from there but /r/European acts like they are the saviors of western civilization for building a wall along their southern border. They have a powerful radical right wing party called Jobbik, which is the 3rd largest in the country, and the party currently in power, Fidesz, is very right wing as well. I would say their situation is bad but upon reevaluation, maybe not as bad as Poland's.

[–]THEFreger[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't belarus worse?

[–]Tappedout0324 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn what is going on with your country

[–]SheepwithShovels 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why would the 2nd (arguably 1st) most right wing country in Europe hate their way of thinking?

[–]Subclavian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because conservatism doesn't mean facist. Poland is largely trying to work out homophobia and racism out of their culture.

[–]RedEagle12 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I like how Sweden is the most disliked country but apparently also has the most attractive citizens.

[–]c0mbobreakerAll Power to the Soviets 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Taking a wild stab here: They dislike the welfare system, but believe that blonde, blue eyed (white) scandinavians are the superior race and therefore are the most attractive.

[–]SheepwithShovels 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

They dislike the welfare system

It's not the welfare system they dislike. It's Sweden's policies regarding immigration and their (stereotyped?) aggressively progressive culture.

but believe that blonde, blue eyed (white) scandinavians are the superior race and therefore are the most attractive.

I think that for many of them, it is the reverse.

[–]Sergeant_StaticSocialist 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, that's terrifying as fuck.

On a side note, is there a significant difference between National Socialism and Fascism? Or is the difference in name only?

[–]krutopatkin 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

National Socialism is an (anti-semitic and racist) variant of fascism.

[–]StillemereEveryone Forgets About Engels 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

And also an extremely misleading name. It should be called racial fascism or something.

[–]tupendousFarm Implements 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

extremely misleading name

that's the point.

[–]matgopack 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh god I read that as 27.5% of Europeans identified as that... Almost choked on my drink.

It's still a terrible statistic, but at least not as bad as that

[–]cornchevI am a bolshevik, and proud of it. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

that survey surprised me exactly 0 times

[–]reyengine 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh kids your so full of shit ... can you please ban me

[–]MeshlethNewton 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not surprised.

[–]GetToldDemocratic Socialism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For a second there I thought this was a thread to support them, I was a bit scared.

[–]psychothumbs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huh, less than I expected.

[–]KatamariguyAmerican fighting for a country he doesn't believe in 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I initially read the title as "of Europeans." Thank goodness I was mistaken.

[–]THEFreger[🍰] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is there a european sub, for those of us who aren't nuts?

[–]Wombattery 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/europe . Although that is moving to the right too.

[–]Wandering_who -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha ha. Create one. Call it Sane Europe!