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Sanders, millennials find connection in democratic socialism. “The biggest reason why millennials are associating themselves with Sanders is because they feel he is the only one that is caring about the millennials’ future” (kentucky.com)

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[–]adle1984 [スコア非表示]  (88子コメント)

Millennials got a taste of socialism during the 2007-2008 financial meltdown: privatized gains, socialized losses. The Bailout taught Millennials then and there that those in the position of absolute wealth and power are above the law and that the government would bail them out with golden parachutes while forcing the bottom 99% to fund their bailout with tax-payer money. So while Wall Street executive got bonuses and raises for wrecking the economy, the common people got lay offs and recently-graduated students started their lives with 5 to 6 figures of student loan debt and no job prospects in what was the worst recession since the Great Depression. Want that entry-level job? Got to have 3-4 years experience. Then Millennials get told, hey no job is beneath you - work at a burger joint (for minimum wage). Except those minimum wage jobs that were supposedly for high school students are worked by those in their 40's and 50's - those who lost their jobs in the meltdown along with their retirement savings. Millennials get told they're lazy, they're entitled, they made the stupid mistake of taking on student loan debt to fund their college education. Well, sorry for wanting what Baby Boomers wanted. Guess they forgot who is funding their Social Security. That's right, us - Millennials.

[–]Rhader [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"We have rugged individualism for the poor & socialism for the rich" - MLKjr.

[–]alexleafs522 [スコア非表示]  (25子コメント)

Very well said. Millenials are not as stupid or naive as people want to believe. We have been watching everything, and a large majority of us do not like what we have seen in the past 15-25 years in this country.

[–]Rhader [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

We have been watching everything, and a large majority of us do not like what we have seen in the past 15-25 years in this country.

The boomers decided unilaterally to invade the middle east in a aggressive show of force which has cost us trillions of dollars, they have brought us within a single generation of catastrophic environmental degradation, they have sustained and fought for a system of capitalism which rewards bad actors and concentrates wealth at the very top while leaving the rest of us to fight over scraps, they have created and maintain a health care system which is so grotesque not a single industrialized country on this planet would trade their systems for ours, they have created a system of education in which only children born into wealth could undertake an education without sustaining decades of burden, they enacted NAFTA and shipped off millions of manufacturing jobs to countries that pay their workers pennies on the dollar without an environmental regulations. Its disgusting how incredibly fucked up the boomer generation has been.

[–]alexleafs522 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Foreword: I do not disagree with you, only with where your anger lies.

I want to stop you right there, because that is an easy attitude to have. It is a stance of anger, and you do not know where to put it. Let me ask you something. What do you remember about the media coverage of the Vietnam war? Quite a lot right? I mean, that picture of the naked child fleeing napalm bombing was pretty well known. Now I want to ask a followup- What do you remember about the gulf war coverage? I know you may not have been alive then, but what was covered during the two year gulf in the war? Let me tell you; almost nothing. Why is that? Because during the 80's the government and large financial interests behind Reagan realized that they could control the flow of information if they bought the media networks.

So then what happens? The boomer generation simply was not in the know. They had no internet documenting or following that war from start to finish. They had a corporate controlled media controlling the entire narrative.

Now, my point? We cannot blame the boomers for this crisis that has developed since the Reagan and Senior Bush era. We must place responsibility where responsibility should lie, which is towards the media. There was, and has been, an ongoing media blackout towards wars following the debacle that was the public's perception of the Vietnam war. They realized that all they had to do was just tweak the flow of information to the majority of citizens. Look at how effective that campaign has been.

We must hold accountable the Media, Government, and Large Financial Interests that have controlled the American narrative for the past 36 years. We must convince the boomers that they have been held prey to the propaganda of the media, and that the information is out there on the internet now for them to look at. They are beginning to come around to this, so we must avoid projecting our hostilities onto them when it should truly lie with those who have lied to the American people for the almost past four decades.

[–]Armored_Fetus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I hadn't thought of this relationship. Interesting.

[–]Bennyandthejetz1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'll openly admit, much of the millennial anger towards baby boomers is misplaced but they need to understand WHY we are angry.

Our whole lives, we millennials have been fed statements such as:

You will vote republican -OR- you will vote democrat. It is what our family has always done & what you will do.

To any free thinking independent mind, this statement is ignorant. No one should vote for a party based solely on past loyalties but ones vote should come from the policies, presentation, character & record of those competing in office.

The boomers had warning. JFK's speech is more relevant today than ever. He warned them this would happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c7eVxure0Y

I am willing to make amends between generations. Boomers, America needs you today more than ever. We need your help. If you don't agree with Bernie's platform, please at least consider it. This isn't about youth getting free things or Americans getting handouts. This is about hope. Something Americans haven't had in a long time. Until we see major political reform & get money out of politics, shake up the establishment things will not improve.

[–]timeslaversurfur [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you mean the media that was banned by the bush admin from photo'n coffins and werent allowed the same access as during the vietnam war? or do you mean the media we shot with a tank, in that hotel so they got the hell out of dodge? or the al jazzera reporters we bombed and later found a memo of blair and bush planning to do just that? Iraq the deadliest war in history for anyone carrying a camera?.. remember daniel pearl? he gave his life to report for us. was one of the earlier beheadings.

pnac and chenney thought we lost the vietnam war because of the media.. and those pictures. They werent culpable(in that case, very much so in the propaganda but even then it was limited to some reporters, mainly noviak and juddith miller).. fuck any reporter would want those kinds of pictures. They were being killed left and right and often by us. and simply we gave them less access.

[–]dragontail [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well said

[–]altforstufficantsay [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Very compassionate reply. Beautifully said. There's no point in blaming entire generations, they became who they became because of circumstances far beyond their control, and knew far less then than what we know and will come to know.

BUT--that does not mean there is not plenty of work to be done to fix where they fucked up.

[–]alexleafs522 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you :)

Compassion will be the weapon that sways others to our side. Let everyone else be toxic and hateful. We will rise above that and help our fellow Americans out of this terrible situation, whether they are ready for it or not. This isn't about sides. This is about the future of our country.

[–]cobaltmetal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

While ill take a sip of some of that reality water you're dishing out i still feel like now Boomers don't wish to go get the info they need in the present to make the right choices or see the whole picture and are just ok with sitting in their ignorant stew.

[–]MJWood [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

None of these things are 'the boomers'. They were done by the 0.1%, the super rich.

[–]calboy2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but.....Steve Jobs!

[–]Trumpington_Post [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Went to the moon, created the internet, presided over the longest peace in Europe and the collapse of the USSR, ......incredible fucked up

Population bubbles, life goes on.

[–]LettersFromTheSky [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I agree and things need to change, we need policies that help people - not coprorations.

[–]alexleafs522 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

More importantly, we need to convince people that the machine of Washington, Media, and Corporate interests have convinced them of working against their own self interests. Truly, we have been living in the era of Post-Reagan propaganda and a large amount of people are starting to figure out that the system has actively been working against their own interests for quite some time.

[–]DJFlabberGhastly [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's infuriatingly obvious to anyone posting attention. I consider myself fairly ignorant, but I bet I pay way more attention that at least 75% of the country. Despite actively trying to stay informed I still feel there's so much I'm missing. So many of these dipshits haven't bothered taking in any information that wasn't spoon-fed to them from their favorite propaganda producers. At least it feels that way at times. I hate feeling like a conspiracy nut when I try to discuss this election with my parents. I'm not crazy, this is modern politics at work. I just wish people would wake up about issues facing this country so they could join the rest of us for discussion at the big kid table.

Yes, this country is better than many. That isn't an excuse for our faults. We have potential to be so much better.

"But that's how it's always been" is a fucking logical fallacy, please slap yourself and try again.

Imagine how badass our founders would've been with a tool like the internet. It's time we kicked it into high gear.

[–]Ecl1pse [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As an Aussie millennial it's been fascinating watching y'all switch on and take part in your democracy. The USA has so much fucking potential it's ridiculous, you guys went to the fucking moon before I was even born, y'all are bigger and better than being world police, it's great see so many people take notice.

[–]altforstufficantsay [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We probably don't agree 100% eye to eye but I'm right with you brother. I don't ask you agree, I ask you pay attention.

[–]havocjewel [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Millenials are not as stupid or naive as people want to believe.

This is what I do not understand about those who ironically belittle Bernie supporters as "college kids that don't know anything about politics or economics" yet the same society agressively pushes college education with the understanding that graduates are better prepared to lead the world. Either college kids are smart enough to become professional leaders or too dumb to engage in important issues. You can't have it both ways.

[–]cobaltmetal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is all about age in the US not about qualifications, just today i got told by a elder gentleman at work how i have youth but no experience to back it up. While he maybe half right i have more resources to access to gain that experience but because im 25 it doesn't matter.

[–]jackcalx [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Millenials are not as stupid or naive as people want to believe.

The stuff I have seen makes me wonder.

[–]alexleafs522 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have seen a lot of stupid and naive older people, middle-aged people, and young people. They come in all shapes and colors, non-specific to any age demographic. I have met people over 50 who believe that Obama is a secret muslim, and that the illuminati is real, etc. etc.

[–]he-said-youd-call [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What have you seen, wizened old one?

[–]jackcalx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reddit.......

[–]alexleafs522 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I worked at a homeless shelter for 2 years up in Flagstaff, Arizona. Believe me, I have seen a lot of crazy. It comes from all walks of life. When I have time tomorrow, I can regale you with some of my stories. I had a man who would take me out to the outside yard to stare at the stars (I worked overnights), he would point the stars out in the shapes of triangles and would proclaim: "Do you see it? Right there. That's the Illuminati."

That was just one of hundreds of people that I met in my time who were... out there.

[–]defiantketchup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hopefully enough of us care to show up to the polls this year to outnumber the boomers.

[–]AnalogAccount [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You also have to factor in that after the fall of the Soviet Union Red Baiting makes no sense at all. To American Millennials socialism hasn't been tainted by 50 years of propaganda and rhetoric.

[–]12nebulafox [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

It'd be nice if other candidates could figure this out.

Tonight marks my conversion to being a full on Sanderista. No matter how much I disagree with him on FP, he's the only one who is looking out for me socioeconomically.

[–]OG-Slacker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What specifically do you disagree with him on in regard to foreign policy?

[–]BigusoBossu [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

You could look out for yourself.

[–]DJ_Velveteen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think that goes without saying for pretty much all of us. The problem is that certain people looking out for themselves have so much more power to actually do so than others that they literally have millions of dollars they could waste after they've already taken care of themselves -- and then many of them just hoard or waste the rest.

[–]SlothBabby [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Personal responsibility is not something Bern victims value, it's always someone else's fault when they fail, and someone else's responsibility to make them succeed.

[–]wtbTruth [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Signed a guy who can't read.

[–]SlothBabby [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"Signed a guy who can't read"? Ironic.

[–]wtbTruth [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're trying really hard on this thread. Just take 2 seconds to google sanders accomplishments since you seem to be convinced he hasn't done shit.

[–]SlothBabby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Renaming post offices is not an accomplishment. But I know you have no real response. "Take 2 seconds to google it" is really your way of saying "Well idk of anything he's actually done but he says the mean banks will pay for my college loans so he's a hero, feel the bern!". Sad. It's gonna be great watching this subreddit melt down when he kneels to kiss Shillary's ring.

[–]FleetwoodZach [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

FP?

[–]BrokenClockwerk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably short for Foreign Policy.

[–]nothing_clever [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I googled "Sanders FP". It turns out there is a company called Florida Pneumatic, and they make sanders. But I think what they meant is foreign policy.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_STASH [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But they shouln't fund all college studies like a liberal art degree because the goverment should invest in an education where people can actualy get a job in so they can help fund others education by paying taxes

[–]Dioskilos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I understand the sentiment. On the other hand I really don't want to live in a country where college is merely a factory to push out wage earners. I also do want to live in a country that values the arts and humanities.

[–]cyberspyder [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Millennials can't remember a time before 9/11, in ten years most won't be able to remember the 2008 recession.

My point is that it's been nothing but shit, so polarization and extremism is the only route left. What happens when an entire generation is being crushed under unfixable debt? Revolution, in one form or another.

It's not limited to Sanders, either. Look at Trump.

[–]Bennyandthejetz1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

THIS. Literally outside of technology almost everything in this country has gotten worse in my lifetime. 9/11 & the 2008 recession feel as if they were yesterday. Things haven't gotten better for the middle class, they have gotten worse.

People are pissed & rightfully so. The government continues to take more out of their pockets as well as their rights. Their protests are ignored & inquiries dismissed. It comes as no surprise then that talk of revolt is the only recourse.

[–]Bennyandthejetz1 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Thank you for putting into words what so many millennials feel every single day.

[–]SlothBabby [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The desire for other people to pay for your free stuff?

[–]Reexa [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Did you read anything he fucking said? WE paid for the businesses that fucked over the economy with their greed. We ask for a LITTLE bit of help in return. Just a little back.

[–]SlothBabby [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You do. The average American lives a life of luxury that trounces 98% of the modern world's. And guess what? It gets even better when you stop punishing businesses for being successful and ACTUALLY INCENTIVIZE THEM to operate here, employ Americans, and keep their money here. Until you selfish Bern victims learn that, there's no hope for you.

[–]Afurtherangle [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Is anybody listening?

[–]alexleafs522 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I am listening. This person speaks for me and many others. If you want to understand our frustration, read the post. Hell, read the tone of the post. We are not angry and naive. We are angered by the history of our youth and growing up as jaded adults observing a political system that continually harangues the needy and poor, and turns around to give bailouts to the wealthy who made more needy and poor. We accept the actions of them, while we denounce the impoverished. That must change. That must change now. Not tomorrow. Tomorrow more will be dead from living in extreme poverty, from drug use, from sitting in a jail cell contemplating suicide, from living on the streets and dying in the cold. I have seen this. I have seen dozens of homeless die in the harsh cold of Flagstaff winters. No, this is an anger that must be used now to galvanize others who feel the same at this defining moment of history. If you do not think people are listening, then, perhaps, you are not listening. I ask you to start listening. That is all I ask of you. It is not a demand. It is my plea to you.

[–]just_your_mother [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I feel like I'm talking to myself.

[–]skevimc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Get your friends to vote.

[–]munster62 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The world has lurched to the right, and with it, erased borders to not only trade, but money. You want to know why things are bad? Because you were sold on cheap goods. Now you have cheap goods without the income to buy them.

All uber right wing economies have a small elite rich class, a small middle class and a vast underclass. This keeps prices in check for the rich while the poor scrape by. The rich no longer are beholden to government because they have shed that yoke with countless trade deals and laws penned by the very corporations they serve.

You blame a large mass of people who didn't have the know how, the wisdom, or the information to change society anymore than a single ant has the ability to direct the colony. Baby boomers like my dad, went to work, paid his bills, obeyed the law, and above all, fought the injustices that stole the good life from ordinary folk.

I will never understand how someone can say, "the baby boomers did this" (as a group) Or the millennials aren't stupid, as a group. Both are a led, amorphous mixture of emotions, and nose led people who are slaves to marketing for every idea that comes along.

But those who are marketing these ideas certainly want the division.

[–]floogley [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They blame baby boomers because of their voting records and their ability to actually show up on election day. Their adherence to propaganda and some misguided belief that the government is always right definitely doesn't endear them to younger generations.

[–]CapnSheff [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks, floogley. I was reading his post and scratching my head over why he was saying that.

[–]MushroomFry [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

Bailout taught Millennials then and there that those in the position of absolute wealth and power are above the law and that the government would bail them out with golden parachutes while forcing the bottom 99% to fund their bailout with tax-payer money.

Fun fact : the bailout has been paid back to the last cent and with interest to the government. So essentially the 99% made a profit off the whole crisis.

[–]floogley [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Except they don't actually receive tax dollars back. It got rerolled into paying down war debts and pther government expenses.

The 99% lost jobs, they lost houses, they went into debt. Many of these people havent fully recovered and for you to say they as a collective profited off of the corporate greed that drove them into recession is remarkably misguided.

[–]GisterMizard [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Money is fungible.

[–]just_your_mother [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nah it was just redoled out to corporations as tax breaks. The 99% didn't see shit. And the richer have only gotten richer.

[–]havocjewel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Gee, I sure can't wait for those "profits" to trickle down to the struggling working class. Any day now.

[–]translunar_injection [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We should have ended up owning the banks. This is exactly how it works in the private sector. When you can't pay your debts, creditors foreclose. When you have no assets of value to pledge, you are not really taking a loan, you are selling equity.

The loans that were given to the banks left taxpayers with all the downside, and none of the upside. So taxpayers got slugged twice: first, in the financial crisis and the recession, which they bore the cost of. Second, in the terms of the bailout.

In both cases, the businessmen got rich and the taxpayers were screwed.

Privatized profits, socialized losses.

[–]alexleafs522 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because your comment is so downvoted in your other iteration of the same assertion, and I so disagree with you on a fundamental level, I will post this again for others to see.

"Nobody forced that 99% to take mortgage on houses they couldnt afford in the first place. A majority of that 99% (i am one of them) made prudent financial decisions, didnt overspend beyond their means and came out unscathed."

I disagree with this in so many ways. Sub-prime mortgages and the splitting of loans into large conglomerate stock-based loans was one of the worst regulatory moves in American politics. Blaming homeowners entirely for a system that was largely the fault of risky financial maneuvers is disingenuous in that it doesn't address those who put those risky financial regulatory practices in place due to the financial interests that pressured them to loosen regulation. This is akin to "poor-blaming", wherin we relinquished welfare in 1996 under Bill Clinton because of "welfare queens" and those who were just feeding off the tit of the government. This idea that we should punish all social program recipients of welfare because of the actions of a few was a terrible way of handling the problem. The idea that homeowners are entirely at fault is ridiculous and it doesn't address the other side of the story:

Lenders.

"Most of the blame should be pointed at the mortgage originators (lenders) for creating these problems. It was the lenders who ultimately lent funds to people with poor credit and a high risk of default."

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/subprime-blame.asp

Don't piss on homeowners alone when lenders of those loans bare a huge responsibility in the fact that they lent out loans to high-risk, poor credit homeowners.

In the world that you describe, it was homeowners alone who took out these loans, and lenders were just unable to prevent them from doing so. It makes no sense. Try getting a loan for a house with terrible credit and being a high risk nowadays. Oh, you can't do that? It's almost like they have regulations in place to prevent such a thing from occurring again.

[–]jackcalx [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

lol. We lost money from the GM bailout.

[–]Qolx [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Sanders supported the automakers' bailout.

[–]ObsidianOverlord [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm guessing it would have been worse if they didn't get the bailout though more jobs lost, etc? I don't think people are particularly angry at the people who approved it just the people who needed it.

But I'm no expert.

[–]Rahbek23 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, and it makes perfect sense. He doesn't have a problem with the bailout itself, because it saves a lot of jobs. He has a huge problem with the need to do the bailout in the first place.

[–]jackcalx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of course he did.

[–]Quexana [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Y'all cool with Gen-X though right? I'd hate to get all angsty up in here.

[–]nathanisfat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Look at all this power, nobody should have it, so let's give the government more of it. They promised it'll be different this time."

Suckers.

[–]jackcalx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

they're entitled

Most gen y is.

Guess they forgot who is funding their Social Security. That's right, us - Millennials.

Because baby boomers aren't paying into it or that gen x right? Gen y isn't the only one paying into SS.

[–]scandalz-n-animalz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Millenials are cum dumpster. Lazy, worthless twats. I'll believe it when I see it. And fuck free college for these pathetic, politically correct cunts.

[–]realreb [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The ones that have nothing but their hand out... that sounds about right.