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[–]Decepticle_Ronnie 107ポイント108ポイント  (38子コメント)

Hold on. For one thing, you didn't say why the driver started shouting when you gave the address and you don't explain why the driver and your girlfriend both got out of the car. There's a lot of information missing overall here. Also, why did you go into the driver seat area when the engine was running?

You pushed him. You grabbed his phone off him and threw it away. You told him "I could kill you". To me, it doesn't sound like you're completely innocent at all here.

Edit: So, as the person below me linked the court documents, it gives way more information. He was standing out in the middle of the road to hail the cab, which is stupid. The reason the whole thing started was because the taxi driver didn't want to take them to the location they asked for and this guy refused to get out of the cab.

I suggest everyone read the court documents that were linked. The story given in there makes way more sense and is way more believable. I don't believe for one second that OP isn't guilty and it seems the courts agreed. I'm sorry for this, I really am, but the court documents paint a perfect picture of a gung-ho, drunk American, ex-forces idiot who thinks he is above other people and should get what he wants. Sorry, OP, I think you're guilty based on the court evidence and think your post is full of shit.

[–]dadroidrigues10 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

That does sound weird as to why the driver would start screaming, my guess is he probably didn't want a drunk person in his cab. But it does seem like OP is leaving some stuff out, like why would you want to turn the engine off of a cab in a foreign land? Why didn't he go after his gf immediately who was sick rather instead of putting the engine off.

[–]Decepticle_Ronnie 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, if I left my engine running and saw someone getting into the driver seat, I'd call the cops too. Especially if the guy said he could kill me and took my phone and threw it away.

[–]dadroidrigues10 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think there was a need for him to threaten the guy in the first place, and shouldn't have pushed him either.

[–]Decepticle_Ronnie -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, considering the guy was trying to stop him getting into the driver seat of his car, which still had the engine running. Going in there at all smells fishy to me. Why would you try and turn off the engine. In this situation, I'd be asking what the fuck was going on, why people were shouting and where my girlfriend was going. Switching off the engine wouldn't even enter my head. I think the fact that he's been convicted and the dodgy story here means OP isn't being clear about everything. The cops know something, probably a lot of things, that we don't.

[–]goatsareeverywhere 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's basically on a crusade to smear Singapore everywhere on reddit. You know what's the first thing he did with this account? Make a meme on /r/adviceanimals saying the Singapore law system is corrupt, how the taxi driver was the one who attacked him blah blah blah.

The fact is that he has been convicted by the non-corrupt Singapore law system for "causing hurt and mischief", as the exact words found in his conviction. This thread contains a google docs link to said judgement and all the facts are clearly listed out inside.

[–]littlesushibox 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah why was he trying to turn off the engine? Sounds like he was trying to steal the car to me to be honest.

[–]dadroidrigues10 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

After reading the documents I feel the same, OP seems to be lying and/or manipulating things. Also I feel like you should add the link to the documents post to your comment since its the highest comment on the thread.

[–]NeedToUnsubscribe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, this. Reading his original post and comments it's very much someone who messed shit up, but believes there is not enough evidence for him to face up to what he did. I do believe that he genuinely believes that he did nothing wrong though.

[–]ussingthrowaway[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (23子コメント)

I don't know why he started shouting. My best guess is that he was upset that I stopped his taxi and just hopped in. Singaporean taxi culture is a bit different than other places. Technically this is against the law or company rules, but most drivers won't just take anyone. The procedure is to talk though the window and ask if they'll take you to your destination. I didn't know that at the time. This was literally the first cab I hailed in Singapore.

The other issue was my gf was laying on the ground. I'm sure when he saw her get up he assumed she was drunk and didn't want her throwing up in his car. When she got in though and started speaking, she wasn't slurring and was coherent, so I figured he'd see that and calm down, but he just got angrier.

Again, at the time, I didn't pick up on any of that, he was just an angry taxi uncle yelling in Hokkien or Singlish, and I didn't know why.

My gf got out of the car because the driver go out. I assume she assumed he wasn't coming back, so she took off looking for another ride.

I didn't see the driver. My impression was that he was mentally unsound. (have you seen an angry 40 something hokkien speaker? Lots of gesticulating and shouting) I didn't want to leave a running car running with the doors open in a public place. I was going to turn off the engine, lock the doors, toss the keys on the curb next to the grass.

Yeah, I'll admit, I totally pushed him first, but I did it with no ill will or intent. He put hands on me, and I pushed him away in an instinctive reaction. I'm sure that's what started the whole fight in his mind, but I didn't see it that way. My thought was, "whoa there fella, what do you expect when you grab someone from behind."

I didn't mean it in a menacing way. I wanted him to stop and think about what he was doing, attacking a 6'3" 180lb 29y/o in pretty good shape. "What are you doing?! I could kill you."

[–]Morfolk 26ポイント27ポイント  (14子コメント)

I'm sorry but this doesn't look good for you at all. Even when you describe the events yourself - you seem very guilty.

Here's a quick recap:

  1. You break the rules (and law?) by going to the middle of the road and stopping a taxi. Doesn't matter if that's your first time or not.

  2. The driver understandably gets angry.

  3. Without discussing anything with him you get inside his car like it's your own while your GF looks very drunk/sick.

  4. He gets even angrier (quite justified) and leaves the car to protest.

  5. Your GF leaves the car. You also go outside but return to the driver's seat.

  6. The driver watching you gets fucking mad (I know I would be) since he doesn't know what else you want with his car.

  7. You proceed to "reflexively pushing him next to the taxi". The first attack.

  8. He gets out his phone (probably calling police at this point) and starts following you so you don't run away.

  9. You both grab each other, then you grab his phone and throw it away (what the fuck man?).

  10. He resumes following you and you attack him the second time pushing into the fountain. For his injuries from this he would be later taken by the ambulance.

  11. Police finally come and arrest your drunken ass (for good reasons like assaulting a taxi driver twice, trying to break his phone and doing who knows what to his car).

  12. You post a sob story on reddit still thinking you were wrongfully charged? Come on.

[–]Jombozeus 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy fuck he just sounds like the local school bully who ended up a Navy SEAL and never learned how to be a normal human being. I might be making too many assumptions but just sounds like a dick who thought he was above the law and makes his own rules because he is a SEAL in a completely different country.

[–]Rambles_Off_Topics 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree. OP, you should have just walked away once the taxi cab driver got out. What were you thinking leaning into the driver seat at all? If you did that to my car I would suspect you were trying to steal it. Just a weird set of events - throwing his phone doesn't make you look innocent at all.

[–]Decepticle_Ronnie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not even that, he should have got out of the fucking cab when the driver told him to and said he wasn't taking him anywhere since he was on his way to pick up someone else. OP sat there like a dick and refused to get out. That's how this all started.

[–]Decepticle_Ronnie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should read the court documents that were linked. OP asked the driver to take him somewhere, the driver said no and OP repeated that he take him where he wants to go and the driver says no, his GF got out, but OP refused to move and just sat there. He was a drunk dick from start to finish and it's my strong opinion based on the evidence I read from numerous sources that he's hella guilty.

Also, he didn't grab the drivers phone and throw in onto the grass like he claims, the driver also had a walkie-talkie with him and that's what OP grabbed and threw it into the sea. He admitted this to the police at the time.

[–]Amadeus_IOM -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It does sound a bit like USS screwed up, but you can never exclude the possibility that some easily butthurt Singaporeans rush to defend the reputation of their sterile dictatorship. It's easy to fall foul of the rules in this "fine city" but having said that, I didn't have any trouble getting a cab home after having had a few drinks. But then, if they have this weird taxi rule, which I can't remember (took them at a rank or used uber) then that's just silly. Go to somewhere like Manila instead. Nicer people, everything is cheaper and you can get in and out of a cab wherever you want.

[–]elypter 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

whats so dangerous about a running engine? it burns up fuel, nothing more.

[–]sergio1394 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

"What are you doing? I could kill you"

Yep, won't even break a sweat. You're probably as good at killing as I'm good at playing video games all day.

[–]Rambles_Off_Topics 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said he was a SEAL. He could have probably killed him.

[–]Morfolk 25ポイント26ポイント  (11子コメント)

I start to try to get another cab, but she's still walking away, and I don't see the driver. Go to turn off his engine, but there's no keys in the ignition (2012 Chrysler's have a remote fob).

Were you trying to turn off his engine? Why?

At no time did I attack him.

Erm...

I push him hard to the chest with both hands and he falls into the fountain.

Are you sure you did not attack him?

[–]sergio1394 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

"What are you doing? I could kill you."

[–]Decepticle_Ronnie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fact, the court evidence states that he said "don't follow me or I'll kill you", which I believe way more from a drunk idiot than what he claims in his post.

[–]Willhud98 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP seems like a douche tbh

[–]sprucetrap87 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why did you attempt to turn his engine off? Why did you threaten to kill him? Why did you take his cell phone out of his hands and throw it? It sounds like you are definitely guilty of the mischief charge (throwing his phone), by your own admission.

[–]rockbrain 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

When you were questioned on May 31, you answer to the question "Were you drunk during the whole incident?" was "Yes". In the statement from July 1st, you said "However I was not drunk..." Seems like you're a liar.

[–]ussingthrowaway[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I told the IO that I had been drinking earlier in the night during the first round of questioning.

I went back to my cell.

I was called back in for more questioning. That question was posed to me. I thought saying "no" and backtracking would make me look like a liar.

In Singapore, according to their rules, was I drunk? Absolutely not. But I didn't know their rules at the time, and if I had been in the US, I wouldn't have driven a car (I could have, but I wouldn't have). I had alcohol in my system at the time. Is .07 drunk, or .08 or .2. I didn't know so I said, I was drunk.

When I read the statutes online about what Singapore considers drunk, I clarified.

[–]Crentist_the-Dentist 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How are you on reddit right now?

[–]ussingthrowaway[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm in that Napoleon jail. I get an island to run around on.

[–]MadChirimoya 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel bad for the cab driver. Why did you attack him?

[–]ussingthrowaway[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He attacked me. Not the other way around.

The bullet points under his name are his testimony, not what actually occurred.

[–]ChiefPaprika 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's your biggest fear at this point in the case?

[–]ussingthrowaway[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, it's that the High Court will feel backed into a corner. They must feel the pressure of keeping up the public trust in the judicial system.

I don't think anyone set out to frame me, but at this point, the government is staked in my being guilty, so I don't know what they might do to try to confirm their position.

[–]aatwee 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

What has the State Department or the Embassy advised? How long is your sentence?

[–]ussingthrowaway[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

They were fairly hands off. They provided a list of attorneys (most were corporate attorneys), and offered to help transfer funds if I had any.

I haven't been in direct contact in months. A rep will contact one of my attorneys every so often to get an update, but I get the feeling they definitely don't want to be seen as interfering, which I totally understand. This shouldn't be political.

edit: sentence is 4 weeks and 4 days (4 weeks and SGD800 (or 4 extra days), but I'm not paying a dime for something I didn't do, so they can put me up for another couple of days)

[–]aatwee 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

If the sentence is 32 day and you've been held for 641 days how come you are not free or have left the country because of time served?

[–]OzymandiasKoK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being in the country, apparently more or less free, is different from being in a jail cell.

[–]ussingthrowaway[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

It doesn't count as time served unless I'm in prison. They consider this a lovely holiday in their lovely country.

[–]MapsAreCool -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

You'd rather be stuck in Singapore with your life on hold for an indeterminate amount of time than just go to prison for a month and pay SGD 800? You've burned through way more than that by now for your expenses, I'm sure.

Why?

[–]littlesushibox 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why did you try to turn off the engine/ why were you in the front seat?

[–]SayerApp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whoa. Did you seek any help from the embassy? I'm sorry if that was listed in here, it's a long AMA, but I am wondering: can they do anything to assist in the case?

[–]Rook_Master 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even your account of the events makes you look bad.

You run out into the middle of the street and jump into a random cab with your drunk girlfriend. The driver protests by getting out of the car, and then you enter the front seat and fuck with the ignition, then get out and assault him?

Sounds like you are where you should be. Hopefully in the future you don't take so many liberties with other people's bodies and property.

[–]SayerApp 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Whoa. Did you seek any help from the embassy? I'm sorry if that was listed in here, it's a long AMA, but I am wondering: can they do anything to assist in the case?

[–]ussingthrowaway[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I did, they're a bit hands off, which is understandable. This should be a legal issue, not an international political one.

[–]SayerApp 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

True. I can just imagine it's a frightening experience when you're tied up in a foreign legal system, especially when you have lack of evidence to suggest you committed the crime.

[–]ussingthrowaway[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's hard to prove a negative.

[–]captainfunbags 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The lack of any actual evidence or effort from the police is the most disconcerting thing about this whole ordeal. Sure you reacted and pushed away a guy who randomly started shouting at you in another language and then following you, but I doubt many people would have reacted much different aside from running the fuck away. Hell the guy is a SEAL so we have no idea what he's been through. Why is his reaction to what could easily be perceived as a threat so surprising to people? I mean the other guy touched him first. I will say that telling someone you could kill them (even if you're totally right) never looks very good. Good luck, I hope it works out. Try to remember you're in a place that puts people to death for marijuana so you might be getting off easy here.

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    [–]rockbrain 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He didn't do anything wrong! The cab driver was just asking for some drunk asshole to fuck around with his car, push him into a fountain and throw his fucking phone away.

    [–]rockbrain 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why are you looking for sympathy here? The stuff you posted makes you look guilty as fuck. Also, I'd bet that you're lying about not being drunk.

    Edit: When you were questioned on May 31, you answer to the question "Were you drunk during the whole incident?" was "Yes". In the statement from July 1st, you said "However I was not drunk..." Seems like you're a liar.

    [–]admiral_asswank -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    People downvoting you, but I wouldn't be surprised in anyway whatsoever if you're on the money.

    [–]dadroidrigues10 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Has there been any sort of physical abuse that they put you through or threatened you in any way?

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No threats. One cop during my in processing, while waiting to get fingerprinted the first night, jumped off the ground and put his full weight on my cuffs. Think he was trying to effect a take down, but the little fella only weighted about 90lbs.

    [–]admiral_asswank 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Gee with this understanding, accepting and totally passive attitude of yours in lovely Singapore I can't even fathom why they would keep you detained. ¬_¬

    [–]ehkodiak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If all goes to pot, how will you cope with being found guilty for a crime you didn't commit yet again?

    [–]kweeche 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why are you doing this AMA? Are you not afraid of the court finding out about this and seeing it as being disrespectful (a big deal over there). Also, why the fuck would anyone go to Singapore?

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The trial is over. The High Court is going to decide based on the evidence of the trial. This isn't going to have any bearing on anything.

    I'm just tired of being called a liar, and I spend all day racking my brain trying to prove I'm not, so now I get to do that with a bunch of people on reddit.

    edit: Singapore is not the worst place to live. Everything people say is for the most part true: safe, efficient, cleanish. It's a good hub for the region and if you're in finance or work for a MNC, there are worse places to be. It is literally hell on earth for me though. I hate malls, and like 70% of the country is malls. I hate being inside, and you have to be inside or you'll sweat to death. I love mountains. No mountains. No mega hardwear stores. No surfing. The humidity makes everything rust and mold.

    [–]milrak8 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why did you attack that poor cab driver?

    [–]elypter 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    why didnt you just get out of the country illegaly, like with a fishing boar or a fake passport?

    [–]Hialexander123 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Is it a secret blessing to be trapped there, or do you just want to get the hell out of there as soon as you can?

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I thought it might be for the first few weeks (maybe even months). I was like, "silver lining, more time with my girlfriend." But no, it's the worst thing I've gone through by far, and that includes doing the better part of two hell weeks with a hernia.

    [–]Condoozle 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Better part of two? Did you have to drop out 3-4 days in the first time around and then repeat after the hernia? Best of luck to you man, no matter what the fact of the story is, I hope you get home to the states.

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Made it to Wed, got a med roll for SIPE, pneumo, and hypo.

    Kept the hernia a secret until I graduated.

    [–]F-That 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Can't you use your SEAL training and get out of the place like Jason Borne would do?

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I've made some hand shakes, so no.

    [–]xxpussyslayer98 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You should have saved on your days off while still in service. Then the US can be obliged to invade singapore to free you.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

    The country arrests people for chewing gum...

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can actually chew gum, you just can sell or buy it. Customs even looks the other way if you bring in small quantities for personal use.

    [–]Oniyasha -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No we do not arrest people for chewing gums. You can be fined though.

    [–]pedroelgato -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe visitors should observe local laws

    [–]RazorDildo 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Have you ever seen Brokedown Palace?

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Thailand drug movie right? I haven't but I think I've heard of it.

    [–]RazorDildo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yep, that's the one. With Claire Danes and Kate Beckinsale

    [–]chilltrek97 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is this an isolated unfortunate incident or is this normal for Singapore? By this I mean, are there any other similar cases where locals go crazy on foreigners and the local authorities choose to side with the locals when there is no evidence?

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's hard to find good evidence. I know of the one case I linked where that definitely seems to have been the case.

    This shouldn't be a big surprise, look at the U.S. and how minorities are treated by the judicial system.

    I'm not even entirely sure this is a local/foreigner thing (I suspect that contributes), but it might just be who got to tell their version of events to the cops first. From what I've seen, the system is very much about picking a target and going after it.

    [–]sergio1394 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How many skirmishes have you been in? As in fights, I don't know the proper term.

    How many people have you un-alived? Hope it's okay to ask that.

    How naked were you?

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Since puberty, 3. One I was choke slammed walking home from a wedding party. One was with a platoon mate who was pissed at me (I didn't want the beef to last so I asked him outside, he kicked my ass). One was in college, this dude just kept insulting me to my face over the course of half an hour, so same thing, asked him outside, he started swinging, I choke slammed him. I've literally never swung on someone without gloves on.

    None in war.

    All the way naked.

    [–]Plagueis_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    When will people learn to stop going to these fucked up places? I'll get hate for this, but if you travel to a place like Singapore (Thailand, Iran, Taiwan etc), it's on you for going there to begin with. You can lead a wonderfully happy life without subjecting yourself to these ass backwards places.

    [–]ussingthrowaway[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's not really fair. Try visiting some of those places before you write them off.