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[–]gliph 48ポイント49ポイント  (3子コメント)

It is 100% a rape sub. Manipulating women into having sex without a condom is a kind of rape. Taking the transaction of prostitution and then leveraging your power and being emotionally abusive so that the women genuinely cry and experience trauma from sex is rape.

I'm not against prostitution and I'm not against kink but this sub is not about either. It's about promotion of sexual abuse.

[–]JoshStevenMiller -18ポイント-17ポイント  (2子コメント)

That sub is disgusting, but I don't agree that manipulation to have sex without a condom is rape. Rape is too serious an offense to dilute the word by including actions that are definitely harmful and socially unacceptable but not explicitly rape, which is sex without consent. Statutory rape is rape because we've decided minors can't give consent. Saying that a man who convinces a woman to have sex without a condom is rape removes a woman's ability to give consent in any capacity, because how could anyone ever be sure a woman was actually consenting to sex and not just being tricked into it by some artful man? Again, though, I agree that sub is a travesty.

Edit: After that cavalcade of downvotes, I'm going to dig the hole further and explain what I mean.

Look, if you're an adult of sound mind and you make a decision, even if that decision is bad for you, you still made that decision. The hallmark of a rape is that it never allows the decision - there's no consent.

If a guy initially doesn't want to have sex with a girl, but she tells him that she's so incredible in bed that she convinces him to try it, only to find out she's average in bed, is that rape? No - a choice was made. To call it rape would diminish what survivors of actual rape have experienced. Fraud, maybe, but not rape.

I think the fundamental difference here is that in a sub about socialism, many of you make the condescending assumption that people cannot be responsible for their actions. To some extent, I agree - it's obvious that society or their poverty or terrible parents didn't give some people a chance.

However, I don't think we can absolve the individually totally, even when they act against their own self interest. Adult people of sound minds must be responsible for their decisions. If a guy convinces a woman to have sex without a condom, that is not rape, by definition because she's made the choice and consented to that arrangement.

I think the counter argument will probably be "in this case, a prostitute might feel such a pressure to gain a wage that she effectively has to say yes, and therefore isn't really consenting." This is an argument to legalize and tax this industry, but doesn't necessarily remove consent. That example is invented. Real people would having different degrees of ability to amend their situations.

[–]onetruejp 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is the supposed dilution of a word worse than the action the word describes? Your argument is basically "purple is bad, but saying lavender is purple is worse because lavender won't break into your house and beat you up."