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[–]over60_stupid_lonerRP S.O.B. 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Short on time but you need to get some clarity about YOUR actions first.

What are you going to do when you get offered a quick BJ? My point is, ARE YOU REALLY FISHING? It takes some serious self awareness to do catch and release, or it will turn into you blow your load and get caught.

Second, your whole idea of INITIATING with the moms is dangerous, for you. If you look good and are available without being over friendly, they will come to you. If they are not touching your arm, shoulder and the small of your back first, then you need to improve your first 2nd and 3rd impression. Yes they call it SMV here, but a thousand years ago, it was what I called presence. It was an attitude, but without having an attitude. No, you don't have to be a Magic Mike, I sure never was, but you have to be noticeable and approachable.

Your comments: tact and skill, don't go straight in, subtle strategic; yep you got it right. Just be careful you are looking to fish, not play house.

Edit: UCad and the rest of the vets here can probably offer you more current and timely help than me. Pay attention.

[–]JDRoedell[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good things to consider for sure. Thanks. Getting offered a quick BJ by any "non-Mrs. Js" would be a good problem to have but isn't my ultimate goal. I would guess if that was happening I will have successfully achieved dread long before the offer. I see your point though.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you really at level 7? Have you tried levels 1-6 first?

If so I like the book "Day Game" but "The Natural" and several other books are fine. They all say basically the same thing. Women are attracted to a man with a plan who brings the good times and who is confident, in shape, and sexy. All of the rest is only learning the art of small talk. Girls learn it by the 4th grade, some guys take...a little longer.

[–]JDRoedell[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will admit that I've been employing steps 1-5 on a slow roll simultaneously. Partly because some things I already had a decent grasp on and partly because, well....I am impatient. So far I don't think it's been too much. I've been at a good level of fitness for about 6 years but started lifting heavier after taking the pill and am seeing good gains. I've read the sidebar. Passing most shit tests and getting better at OI. I have hobbies that are separate from my life at home and am getting out to social events more. I dress well, etc. Can I still improve these things? Of course. And I'm doing that every day.

Again, at this point I'm not looking to plate any of these women. I'm looking to mix it up with them, display some high value and create a little dread. I think soccer games and school events have the "plausible deniability" others talked about. At this point I don't think I am in danger of sinking the ship but will proceed tactfully. I'll check out the books you recommend. Thanks Professor.

[–]theultmatecadUnplugging 7ポイント8ポイント  (23子コメント)

Let's nudge the conversation into a slightly different direction for me to share some thoughts.

Soccer mom dread game is now MILF Game.

It's the same target demographic but the field is expanded to gym, school, church, work etc.

Why Milfs?

Clearly they are past the wall and "taken". Hardly ideal for most men. But OP is clear on his goal and its not to cheat, he wants to up the dread from passive to active and his social circle is soccer clubs.

In my case, despite the bluepill trolls who shout for me to get divorced, I enjoy staying married. I get to live in my house with my kids and don't need to hand over a big check. My wife is sweet and submissive since she realized I don't need her and she had a visual of life as a single mother. Things are smooth in the Cad household.

That said, I'm not afraid to be alone either. My relationships are in my frame or there is no relationship. The end.

So Milfs work for me as single women always will want more then I'm currently want to provide. Same for OP. He smartly picked the right ladies for his dread game.

Incidentally, I use some milfs for dread only and am quite secretive about the ones I am actually fucking. I've used some to dread eachother with greater success then at home.

So OP how do you reel her in for your nefarious, amoral goals?

Number one. BE HAWT. And circulate at games and practices. Be the coach if possible. Make eye contact and socialize with everyone. Even the fatties. Even the beta dads. Everyone.

Number two. It's inevitable that someone worthy will have a question for you soon. " what time is practice Tuesday?" "Where does your daughter go to school?"

This is surely not a fluke and time for you to be charming and talkative and have her put her number in your phone for "logistics, car pools, snack duty etc". It's early and plausible deniability is your friend. This is likely enough dread for you to start. Text and ask for a favor..have her pick up your kid. Generally, it's always good to have women run around for you anyway. It's refreshing to her after all the faggots kissing her ass.

From here, I'd be escalating. But that's up to you.

Here is what you want to see:

35 to 45 with husband ten or so yrs older. Means she married Beta bux and is hungry for drama and tingles

He should be fat or out of shape.

Richer then you (so her branch swing doesn't make sense, you wanna be AF)

She should seem in control. Husband a pussy, a real happy wife,happy life schmuck.

I'll let you study game on your own. Trial and error is best teacher anyway

Oh, and be a cocky ass when your wife freaks that Allison took your kid home and she didn't even know you knew Allison. Just smirk that she asked for your number for a playdate. Hint the playdate wasn't clear if you or the kid but you are open to new experiences

It's imperative you don't apologize for her jealousy. Make her burn in it. It's what she wants anyway

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

You could patent that last line. But...but my wife told me she wants me to be kind and considerate and hates it when I make her jealous.

[–]theultmatecadUnplugging 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Haha, women want a man that other women really want. Let her huff and puff but when she sees that you can pull other ladies and give no fucks about how she feels about it then she knows she has to up her game to keep that nasty man.

My poor wife is back to same weight as she was in her twenties. I emotionally abused her into looking and feeling her best. Everyone always telling her how good she looks now

I'm such an asshole

[–]Kazuke86 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

My poor wife is back to same weight as she was in her twenties. I emotionally abused her into looking and feeling her best. Everyone always telling her how good she looks now

This could be an entire post itself. Gimme the TL;DR on how you did that?

[–]theultmatecadUnplugging 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read my submitted posts?

[–]JDRoedell[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm guessing, but he probably did it by example. My wife stepped up her own workout regimen after mine got better. Recently she also openly expressed jealousy that I lost an inch in my waist size.

[–]theultmatecadUnplugging 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its a combination of the 30 pounds I lost (while lifting), the fact that when pushed hard early on, I told her to pack a bag and enjoy the rest of her life, and the number of women she sees actively interested in me. And a couple friends of hers and mine got divorced and I laughed at how pitiful the womans life would be and how incredible the guys could be if he actually wanted to put some work in.

I also have the wind at my back with very real abundance mentality as my sex life is no longer held hostage by one woman. I don't talk about this but it's baked into my attitude.

[–]over60_stupid_lonerRP S.O.B. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes! That's the field tested and mom approved version for you.

[–]Redneck001MRP-APPROVED 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

This. All day long.

Be the coach (or assistant coach, in my neck of the woods you have to pay your dues to get head coach job). Like cad says, plausible deniability. Just be cool, dominant, in control, and they volunteer numbers. And they will find excuses to contact you.

Where you take it is up to you. But just knowing Susie is plenty of dread enough. Especially if they touch you when they talk with you. You'll know the interested ones.

It becomes amusing.

Even the fatties. Even the beta dads. Everyone.

EVERYONE. Just be cool dad.

Edit: If you coach, you're on stage. Your shit needs to be tight. Be the best dressed coach, be supportive of the kids, don't be overly competitive crazy dad coach. Get to know the refs/umpires. Get to know the other coaches. Definitely know the kids. Nothing worse than coach that doesn't know the kids' names, or who their parents are.

And make sure your COACH shirt fits like a boss.

[–]JDRoedell[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Re: "competitive crazy dad coach"...My daughter's team played this other team a few weeks back. They had 3 coaches who all acted like it was NCAA. Running up and down the court, yelling and micromanaging. They are 5 and 6 year olds. 5 and 6.... I almost took a video because it was so ridiculous.

Coach shirt will be fully complimentary to my physical frame. Thanks for the tips.

[–]MRPguyMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They had 3 coaches who all acted like it was NCAA.

They always run in packs. 2 or more. Makes them feel big and strong.

[–]theultmatecadUnplugging 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Unrelated to sexual strategy this part about being friends with refs and umpires is gold. I taught my son to offer the umpire a cold bottle of water every few innings. "This is for you Mr Umpire"

Also, I despise the coach who forgets the kids are there to have fun. Yea..I like to win but I'm the guy who fistbumps the kids coming off the ice and compliments the kids in front of their parents every chance I get. When I am a spectator, I say nothing but "I enjoyed watching you play"

[–]Redneck001MRP-APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unrelated to sexual strategy

We're misogynists, so every thing is related to sex.

When Ump/Ref greets you pre game with a handshake, calls you by name instead of "Coach," let's you argue (in a respectful/friendly way) calls, etc., the 50 or so people at the game like you. Which doesn't hurt. Plus, Mrs. MILF wants to work the concession stand with you, "because you're a familiar face." Plausible deniability.

[–]theultmatecadUnplugging 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am certainly a misogynist so I see your point. It's also damn true that the milfs will find you. Your RP lens will decipher that covert ioi for what it is.

[–]DanG3 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

In addition to what Cad and Redneck are saying, if your kid is in a group activity, or you are in a team parent leadership position/office, consider hosting a party for the parents at your home. It helps if people feel they should dress up a little. Then, work the AMOG angle like crazy. This has worked like a charm for me. DanG has "the best" Christmas martini parties.

[–]JDRoedell[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'll keep this in mind. Soccer is right around the corner. They usually ask for coach volunteers. I'm going to at least throw my hat in the ring for an asst coach.

[–]Redneck001MRP-APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Assistant" is fine. The assistant coach will often be better with the kids than the head coach, anyway.

[–]Redneck001MRP-APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck yes. I host the annual team pool party. With alcohol for the 'rents.

[–]JDRoedell[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks for the input, Cad. I too think this is where I have the best potential, considering the wife and I don't get out to bars much anymore. However, I will take the advice given also to talk up check-out clerks, Toys R Us moms, etc.

Your description of "what to look for" is kind of fortuitous. There is a mom that I've been getting to know a bit at practices and games. We'll call her Ms. HB7. My wife has also gotten to know Ms. 7 and they seem to hit it off. Ms 7 is just as you described, in-charge, assertive, attractive, good personality and appears to TOTALLY run the show with hubby. Not disrespectful to him but definitely calling the shots. She's the snack coordinator for the team so likes to be in the mix. After one game that I was at without the wife, Ms 7 approached me and said, "you're JDRoedell, K's dad, right?" Introduced herself and we talked a bit. Mr. 7 is also present sometimes but it took me a few games to realize they are actually married. He is extremely quiet, introverted and they almost never interact. Sometimes he sits a few spaces away on the bleachers while his wife talks to other moms. Oh, and dad-bod is rockin. I suppose he could be alpha as fuck and totally own the stoic/quiet game but I doubt it. I chatted him up at a recent game, as well as his wife who was talking to mine most of the time. Nice guy, good sense of humor and all once he opens up but they are one of those couples you look at and think, "really?" My wife zillow-stalks people (always comparing, right). Based on their house, I know they make a lot of money. So it appears to check most of your boxes on what to look for. And she recently FB friended me. Stupid I know, but it isn't necessarily insignificant. So the canvas for socializing with the soccer moms/MILFS is there. I just need to be present, friendly and approachable. For now that's as far as I want, and probably need, to take it.

Basketball season is wrapping up and soccer is around the corner. They usually ask for coach volunteers and I'm going to throw my hat in the ring. I probably can't be primary due to my work schedule on weekdays but will offer my help as much as I can for weekend games. This is good because part of my MAP is to be more social, socially available and involved with my family/kid's lives. Primarily because I want to be involved with my kid's lives as they discover the world and interact with people. It's important to me to do this and for us married guys with kids, it's one of the best ways to lead. if I can create a little dread as an ancillary effect...it's all the better.

/u/over60_stupid_loner, /u/bogeyd6, /u/recovering765 and others, thanks for the input. It's all being considered. Most importantly, I'm not going to go in looking to clumsily initiate things with any of these women for the risk of looking like I'm trying to plate women I'll most certainly be seeing for at least the next 12 years of my life, as recovering765 points out. I think my mindset on this is more along what Cad and /u/Redneck001 have suggested, just by being friendly, social, interesting and yes...a bit forward/flirty at times I hope to engender the attention and maybe some IOIs that are picked up on by Mrs. Jdroedell.

J

[–]theultmatecadUnplugging 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sounds like all you need to do is escalate here

Keep in mind, hitting on women (shop gilrs) does not inspire dread. Girls hitting on you is what does the trick

[–]alphabeta49MRP-APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

hitting on women...does not inspire dread. Girls hitting on you is what does the trick

This x100. You should do a separate post about this. Too many newbs get a few gym gains then go out and pathetically try to hit on women in front of their wives, then complain about how it blew up in their faces.

[–]theultmatecadUnplugging 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ill file that away and see if inspiration strikes

[–]bogeyd6MRP APPROVED IRC MOD 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

Soccer mom venue is a great place to plate milfs. Just flirting with soccer mom's to make wife jealous? Not so much. There is too much at play for someone so new. Plus, when you reject her, now you have to deal with that shit. If you want to plate them, do so all day long. Just know when things go south, these women know who your wife is.

For more casual preselection, social proof, and dread level 8, go more for anonymous places. Take your wife to bars or social events that dont involve friends and family. The best place in the world i have found is toys r us. Many single mom's there looking for beta bucks or alpha fucks. I have had great success in dreading my wife there.

[–]over60_stupid_lonerRP S.O.B. 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

toys r us

Crap, I thought this was my little secret!

[–]bogeyd6MRP APPROVED IRC MOD 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

;) yeah, i stumbled onto it by accident. freaking gold mine there!

[–]fromswittersMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

wait...what?! how so

[–]bogeyd6MRP APPROVED IRC MOD 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Imagine a store, filled with single mom's and unhappy mom's needing more resources to spoil their children.

[–]fromswittersMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess I walk around that place with the wrong lens in my glasses. I see it as a toxic dump of plastic crap. I need to refocus.

[–]MRPguyMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Target, here in my neck of the woods.

[–]Redneck001MRP-APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The local high end grocery store wine aisle is full of chatty women in yoga pants.

[–]il-est-ressuscite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. Whole Foods wine section appears to be the first stop on the Post-Yoga-Express train which then continues on to Nordstroms. That place is like the mothership really.

[–]theultmatecadUnplugging 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I disagree as nothing will make OPs wife's panties wetter then if her friends want to fuck him.

The fact that these women are taken means nothing to a bitch. Bitches ain't loyal and they all know that about eachother.

As for the drama created when OP gets friendly in the social circle?

This is a feature, not a bug

[–]bogeyd6MRP APPROVED IRC MOD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

;)

[–]JDRoedell[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks bogey. We don't get out to bars much these days but one of my MAP goals is to hit some happy hours at the local holes with the wife and some of our other married friends. It's in the plan.

[–]recovering765 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Take the long view. There is a good chance that you will continue to see these parents for the next 10-12 years in various situations. You see them at school, you see them at sports. You will see them at social events, shopping, and more places than you can imagine.

Unless you move this is a long term exposure and not a short term transaction where you play the dread game and then forget about the.

How will that work socially if a woman decides you are a wannabe philanderer even if you aren't?

[–]il-est-ressuscite 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The "snack coordinator?" Powerful chick huh? Sorry I just can't stop laughing. Be sure to let us know about the juice box.

Good luck to ya!

[–]Redneck001MRP-APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The "snack coordinator?" Powerful chick huh?

Damn right, that chick has value. She sets up the schedule for the concession stand. And you want to volunteer to work the concession stand. With the better looking MILFs.

Plus, you interact with all the moms over the course of a night.

[–]JDRoedell[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha! Ya, I guess it comes off like that. It's the little stuff, man.

[–]MgFeSiMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

For clarification, at this juncture, I am not looking to act on anything, just talk, flirt and draw attention from the other moms.

What is the point of your dread game, then? Are you looking to increase your SMV to create dread in her and then hypothetically reap the benefits from your wife, i.e. more sex, passion, etc.? Are you looking to just improve your interpersonal skills with women?

If it is the latter, I would suggest that everywhere you go is your playground. Like many have said here, restaurants, stores, Toy-R-Us. Anywhere you can talk to women is your area to talk and flirt.

If it's the former, sure soccer practice is fine. And so is everywhere else you go. Why focus on the soccer field? I get that its a canned group of moms that you'll have a regular opportunity to flirt with. But like the old dumb outcast kind of said, take care and know your boundaries.

Maybe read John Cheever's short story The Swimmer for some perspective.

[–]JDRoedell[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's mostly the former. I realize it's not the only place to foment dread but it's one of the more active for me right now.

[–]mrpCamper 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

A lot of good advice here so I'll just add that I definitely work this crowd. I coach for my girls and it's a great way to meet people and just practice talking to women. Can you think of a better way to parade around in front of women, have constant material to talk to them about and build confidence? It's great!

[–]JDRoedell[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks. I think it's got good potential. That and it's a good way to be involved with my kids and lead the family.