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[–]nuclearfirecracker 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

When did I say that?

When you said, "So what? It's not like there's some greater moral law we're all obligated to obey." Implying strongly that you think if there were no god breathed "greater moral law" there would be no reason to not be shitty to each other. If you weren't saying that then you agree with me that we don't need a god to have morals.

So what ISIS is doing isn't wrong?

Did you read anything past that one sentence I said stating objective morality isn't a thing? There are other theories of morality other than, "I heard a voice in my head and it was definitely the creator of the universe and he said only kill people when he (or I) say it's okay!", thats suspiciously similar to the ISIS method of deducing "objective" morality. The difference being that they aren't as constrained by modern secular thinking as Western religious groups are when it comes to morality.

Also, pretending I said what ISIS is doing isn't wrong is pretty laughable coming from someone who follows the religion that says that Hitler as a baptized Catholic will be sitting pretty in heaven right now.

That's a pretty scary thought.

You'd be hard pressed to find a secular moral theory that would approve of such wanton destruction as ISIS is committing so don't worry, even though big daddy (isn't he pretty much the same one ISIS claims to get their plays from?) isn't really watching over you and dictating what's right or wrong most of us will manage not to be murderous bastards nonetheless.

[–]MRB2012 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

When you said, "So what? It's not like there's some greater moral law we're all obligated to obey." Implying strongly that you think if there were no god breathed "greater moral law" there would be no reason to not be shitty to each other. If you weren't saying that then you agree with me that we don't need a god to have morals.

It's a very simple question. Is what ISIS does wrong?

Also, pretending I said what ISIS is doing isn't wrong is pretty laughable coming from someone who follows the religion that says that Hitler as a baptized Catholic will be sitting pretty in heaven right now.

What? Catholicism doesn't hold that baptism is a one way ticket out of Hell. Baptism (in the Catholic faith) only gets you out of the sins you were guilty of beforehand. Hitler (under Catholic moral theology) would be incredibly likely to burn in Hell for the tens of millions of murders on his soul.

You don't know anything about Catholicism, do you?

You'd be hard pressed to find a secular moral theory that would approve of such wanton destruction as ISIS is committing

You just said there was no such thing as morality. So what's wrong with what ISIS does?

[–]nuclearfirecracker 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's a very simple question. Is what ISIS does wrong?

Also a question that I already answered, by every moral theory that I think has any value raping and murdering is wrong. The trouble is that ISIS claims to use the same moral theory that you do, God says good it so it's good.

What? Catholicism doesn't hold that baptism is a one way ticket out of Hell.

So long as he believed in Jesus and was really really sorry he's all good, that's Christian morality, do you know anything about Catholicism?

You just said there was no such thing as morality.

Back to school mate, your reading comprehension isn't that great. I didn't even come close to saying that morality doesn't exist, I said there's no such thing as objective morality.

Let me ask you, since you seem to think that morality comes from God and the Islamic State is following the dictates of their religion, how can you say what they are doing is wrong other than to assert that they have the wrong god?

[–]MRB2012 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

So long as he believed in Jesus and was really really sorry he's all good,

There's no evidence Hitler was sorry about anything except "I didn't kill enough Jews."

Back to school mate, your reading comprehension isn't that great. I didn't even come close to saying that morality doesn't exist, I said there's no such thing as objective morality.

So what ISIS is doing isn't wrong? Sicko.

[–]nuclearfirecracker 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

There's no evidence Hitler was sorry about anything except "I didn't kill enough Jews."

Yes but according to your "objective morality" if he was sorry then it's all good. Maybe he was sorry, Christians do tend to get more religious towards the end.

So what ISIS is doing isn't wrong? Sicko.

So this is what it looks like when someone has no argument? Interesting.

[–]MRB2012 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yes but according to your "objective morality" if he was sorry then it's all good.

But he wasn't. He wrote a letter at the end of his life explaining that his only regret was not doing more evil. Then he shot himself, which was probably the one good idea he ever had.

[–]nuclearfirecracker 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Dear Hans, Mein only regret ist not doing more evil. -Adolf

We are talking about moral systems though, whether they guy actually did or did not regret it is irrelevant, the important thing is that by yours he would all good if he did say sorry and so you can't think what he did was truly that wrong. After all the only really bad thing that you can do is to not believe in Jesus or to blaspheme the holy spirit and Hitler was pretty big on God. He never stopped talking about how great God was and how God was on his side and how he was doing Gods work in his letters, speeches and book. He was pretty much on par with your average Republican presidential candidate with how much he mentioned God.

[–]MRB2012 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

We are talking about moral systems though, whether they guy actually did or did not regret it is irrelevant, the important thing is that by yours he would all good if he did say sorry

And meant it. That part's kind of important. And he didn't. The last thing he did was say "I'm sorry I wasn't more of a bastard."

Hitler was pretty big on God.

That proves nothing.

[–]nuclearfirecracker 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Why don't you tell me what you think would have happened to Hitler if he was truly sorry and he said the requisite number of hail Marys? Stop avoiding admitting the fact that your moral system is bankrupt and even the stuff you pretend it considers bad is nothing so long as you say sorry. The only unforgivable thing is to disbelieve in Jesus and blaspheme the Holy Spirit, everything else is irrelevant so long as you say sorry about it.

The fact is that ISIS has the same moral framework that you do so I'm not sure why you keep using them as an example.

[–]MRB2012 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why don't you tell me what you think would have happened to Hitler if he was truly sorry and he said the requisite number of hail Marys? Stop avoiding admitting the fact that your moral system is bankrupt and even the stuff you pretend it considers bad is nothing so long as you say sorry.

Say sorry and mean it.

The fact is that ISIS has the same moral framework that you do

Not really. If they did, would I be condemning what they do?