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Anti-immigrant 'Soldiers of Odin' expand from Finland to Nordics, Baltics (reuters.com)

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[–]boiler2013 122ポイント123ポイント  (80子コメント)

In other news, the Soldiers of Allah are marching in Norway waiving a Jihadi Al Nusra flag.

http://www.thelocal.no/20160226/soldiers-of-allah-pop-up-in-norway-to-counter-soldiers-of-odin

[–]tripwire7 88ポイント89ポイント  (15子コメント)

"Soldiers of Allah." Yes, this is a fine solution and will in no way drive recruitment for the nationalist vigilantes. /s.

[–]plidzz 23ポイント24ポイント  (14子コメント)

>implying the Muslims don't want a fight with soldiers of Odin

You have a lot to learn about both Odin and Allah.

[–]proctor_of_the_Realm 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

We'd lose as fuck but fuck that, bring it on sand-people. 1 billion against a few million, I like it. See you in Valhalla, if you get there.

[–]ImagineAllTheKarma [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Arab soldiers are notoriously bad at fighting wars

[–]proctor_of_the_Realm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, hel, we might just win then. Sound the Gjallarhorn battle is about to commence.

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      [–]LiberalsWishMeHarm 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Soldiers of Allah...where have I heard that before?

      http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/lee-rigby-trial-soldiers-allah-guilty-woolwich-decapitation-murder-1429626

      [–]w4hammer 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Just for the heads of that's Shahada flag not Al-Nusra flag. It was used years before al-Nusra or even Al-Qaeda existed.

      Just like the phase "Allahu Akbar" Shahada is another example of an islamic phrase that's hijacked by terrorists. Simply despicable and these people are certainly part of the terrorist group.

      [–]LucyLancaster 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

      "Allahu Akbar" just means 'god is the greatest' in Arabic, it wasn't hijacked by Muslim terrorists because they are still Muslims as well.

      I'm actually surprised that the 'Soldiers of Allah' exist, although these type of anti-Native European views are common in Euro-Muslim communities it is still rare to see Muslims being so open in their bigotry.

      [–]MoslemMode 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      rare to see Muslims being so open in their bigotry

      Um is it? My impression is that this is the #1 reason people have issues with them with racism being a very distant second.

      [–]17Hongo 6ポイント7ポイント  (16子コメント)

      Well, maybe the Soldiers of Allah and the Soldiers of Odin can go a few miles south of the middle of nowhere and kick the shit out of each other without bothering the rest of us.

      [–]fr33dom_or_death 5ポイント6ポイント  (16子コメント)

      I for one wish the best of luck to both groups. Just wish they find a secluded place to carry out their mutual genocide so they don't disturb the rest of us.

      [–]redditpropoganda -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

      thelocal.no has been proven to make up stories in the past. It is an anti-migrant propaganda website.

      [–]j8stereo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Please provide evidence for your claims.

      Be aware that the image in the article is from 2012 and has no connection to the 'Soldiers of Allah'.

      [–]viperFoxx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      everyone is doing it .so its all ok .. right?

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        [–]Agent-Red 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Here in Norway there must be a mosque every half mile, I live close to one and the sounds they play from speakers every couple hours is enough to warrant terrorism charges, unfortunately my leaders think otherwise.

        Now all I can do is turn up the volume while I listen to traditional Viking music... I've only had my window put through with a rock once this week, so much for peace and tolerance.

        Fedupnorwegian

        [–]ogirejgpieor 217ポイント218ポイント  (148子コメント)

        the group has triggered fears of a rise in vigilantism.

        For me these guys seemed more like the neighborhood watch than vigilantes. There were a number of rapes, and even killings done by some of the 'refugees' but this group 'Soldiers of Odin' or some other group or individual did not respond as a vigilante. This leads me to believe that they are more about prevention than revenge.

        Every citizen who wants to contribute towards reducing criminality and insecurity should be applauded. - Jan Arild Ellingsen

        Edit: An example of vigilantes and revenge would be riots in Russia after some soccer fan got stabbed. The riots that ensued were the definition of vigilantism. 26 people of non-Slav appearance were killed in the riots.

        [–]maxpowerer 64ポイント65ポイント  (22子コメント)

        People who listen to heavy metal dressed in black terrorizing the public order? Could we say that Scandinavia is ripe with Goths engaging in Vandalism??

        [–]Comradmiral 154ポイント155ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Goths and Vandals trying to stop refugees? I can hear the sound of Romans laughing.

        [–]TrueMrSkeltal 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Tragic and ironic, morbidly funny, etc.

        [–]The_Norse_Gods 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Ah, tragic.

        [–]PureGoldX58 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

        Take a look at Norway in the '90s if you are interested in this idea. It isn't the first time the Metal scene has gone insane in Scandinavia.

        [–]hydrogenous 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

        elaborate?

        [–]ryguyyyyy 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

        There were some churches burned and and a murder or two in the early 90s. Google history of black metal or Burzum, Mayhem, Vargs Vikernes. Should give you a nice run down. There was also a pretty fun documentary a few years back.

        [–]iKnitYogurt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Would that documentary happen to be Until the light takes us?

        But anyway, there was quite some fucked up shit going on back then... I sincerely hope that these Soldier of Odin guys don't manage to drag the metal scene through the mud once again.

        [–]JManRomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Vargs Vikernes

        ah

        [–]Neberkenezzr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        This was the guy with the "sorry for all the mess " album cover right?

        [–]SafetyinNumbness [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        No. You're thinking of Dead, who was well removed from any political nonsense.

        [–]PureGoldX58 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        To add to the other reply, the book Lords of Chaos has a detailed history of a lot of the Black Metal scene in Norway. There were more than a few murders, just not a lot recurved as much press as the more famous ones. The country as a whole was concerned.

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          [–]Ctxmetal95 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Ahhh the good old Norwegian Black Metal Scene. Trve kvlt

          [–]exForeignLegionnaire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Helnorsk Svartmetall!

          [–]val444 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          the days when grass was greener and metal blacker

          [–]tehdevbot 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Blacker than the blackest black, times infinity!

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            [–]mazur49 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Edit: An example of vigilantes and revenge would be riots in Russia after some soccer fan got stabbed. The riots that ensued were the definition of vigilantism. 26 people of non-Slav appearance were killed in the riots.

            Since 2000 there were several prominent cases in Russia where football fans were murdered by migrants.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Egor_Sviridov

            http://en.news-4-u.ru/in-samara-have-arrested-a-suspect-in-the-murder-of-the-fan-spartaka.html

            Some of them resulted in protest actions and riots, but NO one was killed during these protests and riots. Zero. It is also important to note that these protest were mainly aimed against police, not against migrants.

            I may guess from where it comes. At the time there was Guardian article which mentioned that TWO were killed during protest after Sviridov's murder but that was unfounded claim.

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/13/two-dead-football-racist-riot-moscow

            According to official data cited in Wiki 29 were hospitalized after clashes but none of them died.

            So, you are either making very serious mistake or intentionally lying.

            [–]Greysocks1985 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

            The politicians are too afraid of being labeled rascist bigots for properly addressing the negative outcomes of the refugee/ young male muslim problem. Soooo.... people are taking things into there own hands. Unfortunately it's come to this. But. ... what do you expect to happen.

            [–]HellHaven [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Europe is comprised of nation states, meaning that is not necessarily borders that define a country but an ethnic group. I would die and kill to keep Hungary for my people.

            [–]Anandya 27ポイント28ポイント  (26子コメント)

            Yeah but we saw the same from the EDL in the UK who after any terror attacks/bad news to do with Muslims roam around shouting at minorities.

            They aren't making things safe. They are harassing minorities and that's basically anyone not White.

            Best example? EDL in my local town damaged the shops of "Muslims".

            http://www.maadurgawallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/sai-baba-images-free-download-1200x800.jpg

            They had photos of this guy up on their walls. And their store was called Patel's.

            If you cannot differentiate between Hindu and Muslim you have no business keeping the streets safe from Muslims and that's even without going into the idiocy of a barely educated mob running about in the name of law enforcement. No complex problem has EVER been solved by a bunch of uneducated people in a barely trained mob with no oversight.

            [–]LucyLancaster 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The EDL was founded as a counter protest to Muslim groups who were protesting British soldiers.

            [–]Precisely_Inprecise 25ポイント26ポイント  (19子コメント)

            The problem is that we don't have a capable law enforcement force, at least not here in Sweden. They are in need of between 1500 and 2500 additional police officers, according the Police Director (Head of Police Department) Dan Eliasson. Source from public service radio in Swedish.

            The reason is that police officers aren't well paid and have even threatened with strikes should their salaries not increase.

            [–]TorontoIndieFan 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Yeah so lets get random, untrained people to take the place of the police. The only solution to the policing problem is getting more trained police officers, it's not roaming gangs of unnacountable white dudes.

            [–]Precisely_Inprecise 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I never suggested these gangs are a viable solution. However, the lack of police officers is exactly why they exist. I don't think that the police would like them to stick around either, if they were able to do anything about it. Nor would they let these gangs have any reason to "protect our civilian population".

            [–]HangdemHigh 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

            If the police did their job someone else wouldn't be.

            [–]Umbramortis 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

            How long do you think police training takes?

            [–]ItsBitingMe 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            In america? About 5 minutes go fetch them a gun and 30 seconds to point them at a black guy.

            [–]MrCannabeans 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            There is a demonstrated lack in police ability at this time. Instead of doing nothing, they're doing something. Fine by me. If they start acting like dipshits, that's another story.

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              [–]Anandya 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

              But that's not a solution to anything. That's like solving the nursing and doctor crisis in the UK by allowing random quacks to treat patients.

              [–]preptopro 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

              You need significantly less education and training to be a police officer.

              [–]Anandya 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Training takes 2 years for a copper in the UK. It's still giving an untrained person with no grasp of the law a policing role.

              [–]preptopro 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

              What are they supposed to do? The police aren't doing the policing, so they have too. And 2 years of training still doeaent compare to the 8 years of college plus residency it usually takes to become a doctor.

              [–]Anandya 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I know, I am a doctor, I know but it is LIKE that. Cops do a good job and random vigilantes don't do anything similar.

              Mike Ranta who founded it was jailed for a race hate crime. So no. They are just as bad as the EDL. Motivated by racism, targets by racism.

              Let's make it clear. I am more likely to be stopped on the street than a White American. Despite the White American being an immigrant to Europe while I was born here.

              What are they supposed to do? Not spread fear and make the issue worse.

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                [–]ogirejgpieor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                So combatant lunatics?

                [–]eggaz 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Stormcloaks

                [–]apocolyptictodd 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Skyrim is for the nords

                [–]proctor_of_the_Realm 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                No more lizards and pussies.

                [–]ThePeruvianBear 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Ulfric Stormcloak is the true high king of Skyrim. Not some Middle Eastern milk drinker.

                [–]Sandridge 69ポイント70ポイント  (70子コメント)

                I don't support vigilantism but this should be a wake up call to governments everywhere when they decide to accept refugees without a proper screening process. These Sons of Odin may seem to be taking it to extremes but they are probably just loyalists to their nations and are afraid of what can and is happening with some of the refugees.

                [–]morris198 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                this should be a wake up call to governments everywhere

                It won't be. It'll be nothing more than further "proof" to Leftists that the West and its people are "problematic" and "racist." Short-sighted, Kumbaya policies will be increased in order to combat this so-called bigotry, and belligerent religious fundamentalists will run roughshod over liberalism in order to force their regressive ideologies. All while the mewling cultural relativists and race-coddling "progressives" clap wildly for no other reason than the color of these violent, homophobic misogynists' skin.

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                  [–]JazzKatCritic 96ポイント97ポイント  (39子コメント)

                  Leftists: "This is terrible! Awful! PROBLEMATIC!"

                  Every-freaking-one Else :"Yes, and we told you this would happen as a result of your policies. Yet you insisted they be implemented. Now, who do you think is therefore responsible for this?"

                  [–]ZachofFables 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F Kennedy

                  [–]f33dbk 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I theorize that the establishment of such groups is a direct result of national and international politics devolving into a state of left vs. right wing politics. Politicians and voters alike are now so busy labeling each other that they are no longer discussing what would be the best solution, but rather they fight to force upon their own vision of the solution should be.

                  So while we're all calling each other hippies and nazis the source problem still remains unsolved. If we keep up with such politics, the solution will either be to create a paradise without borders and control, or we shut down the borders and make them so tight that it will make North Korea seem like a joke. Meanwhile the problem only grows bigger. Europe isn't getting any less migrants and refugees, and the ones who are already in aren't being dealt with in a proper fashion.

                  Imagine that Europe is a group of people who are stuck in a burning building together. The fire is growing, but instead of trying to put out the fire and get people to safety, they establish two opposing factions and spend their time throwing insults and feces at each other, just so they can discredit and tarnish their opposition. At the current rate, there will be no building left by the time we can declare a winner.

                  If you head over to YouTube and find an important debate for your country from the 70s, and compare this with a more recent debate of equal importance, you will quickly discover what the problem is. We're allowing our politics to devolve into a case of shit throwing, instead of finding a solution to the matters at hand.

                  [–]tripwire7 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  "We need immigration, but not too much immigration" seems to be a rare opinion nowadays.

                  It's like the Gun Control debate here in the US: It's devolved into "pros" and "antis" with no sane people in the middle.

                  [–]sp0ck06 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This is actually a great comparison.

                  [–]exejpgwmv 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  Theses guys are a group of convicted felons and military deserters who are self proclaimed neo nazi white supremacists. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3426685/Nazi-daggers-SS-hats-hangman-s-noose-night-patrol-Soldiers-Odin-neo-Nazi-led-vigilantes-vowing-Europe-s-women-safe-migrant-sex-attacks.html

                  Why are you guys defending them?

                  [–]Happymack 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Because we don't want to be seen as "leftist". /s

                  [–]SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Because apparently the dirty Muslim savages are all rapists or something or another. I don't get it either.

                  [–]MrMond4y 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Let's be real here, nobody should be surprised that /r/worldnews is supporting Nazis. Birds of a feather flock together and all that.

                  [–]ThatLaggyNoob 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Are you saying you're a Nazi supporter...?

                  [–]MrMond4y 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Well, I'm here, aren't I? The facts don't lie.

                  [–]langleyi 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Because they're Americans who haven't got a clue about European society.

                  [–]nathan_256 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Because they're Americans middle schoolers

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                    [–]Kangewalter 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    There are practically no refugees in Estonia. These idiots are just going to end up attacking some foreign exchange student or NATO soldier.

                    [–]Lou500 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Good for them.

                    [–]SkippingMango7 21ポイント22ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    Hooray, neo-nazis, convicted criminals, and a dude who brags about killing Ukrainians when fighting for Russian separatists are keeping me safe. I feel so secure.

                    If these guys seriously had no other motive than patrolling the streets like the night ravens, they would have fucking joined the night ravens.

                    Then again, police are forced to use resources following these clowns around, so at least there's more police in the streets.

                    [–]minibeep 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    well... this is what the leftists wanted :l

                    [–]fr33dom_or_death 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Source?

                    [–]onelameusername 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I remember how back in Soviet Russia authorities were actually organizing citizens to patrol bad neighbourhoods. Seems to be even easier here as folks are already organized, just coordinate and assign an officer to go on patrol with them.

                    [–]Precisely_Inprecise 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That would actually be much better, to be honest. If they really want to do the country a favor by protecting our streets at night, it would be a relief know that they are supervised and monitored by a trained and seasoned police officer that is giving them explicit directions. This is because normal people are not trained in the various ways to handle multiple kinds of criminals in different situations.

                    [–]gogo_goblin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    In the words of Bubsy the Bobcat; "what could possibly go wrong?"

                    [–]Fuppen 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Where do i sign up?

                    [–]wotaning 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    How do I join, anyone know?

                    [–]Landsfaderen -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Contact them via Facebook

                    [–]Khers 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Roaming groups of nationalists. This will not have an happy ending.

                    [–]m3dicated 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The leader of the "Soldiers of Odin" in Estonia, is a migrant himself - he works in Finland. Mostly they seem to be simple misguided racists - they were the first ones to break, and now all the leftists are having a field day and are accusing everyone of racism, anyone who's against the migration waves.

                    One of our "anti-immigration" politicians was giving a speech at the Odin guys gathering and one of the leftists pulled a wire from the speakers, so her speech couldn't be heard. After the right-wing guys forcibly pulled her out from there, she screamed "I HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY OPINION AGAINST THE NAZIS", just moments after she prevented the politician giving her speech.

                    [–]Cosmic_Bard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    WIR SIND DAS VOLK

                    [–]arrythmian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Is anybody really surprised that this is happening?

                    The governments in those countries are allowing in many, many more immigrants of a foreign culture, many of those immigrants actually being hostile to the native culture in many ways, than those countries can reasonably absorb and care for properly.

                    What you have is the clash of two extremely different cultures, and right or wrong, violence is what is going to happen.

                    [–]RLS0812 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I Googled 'Soldiers of Odin' ... acording to other news sites, this group formed after the government failed to respond to raising crime rate ... ""The group gained momentum in 2016 after incidents such as the New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany and several other countries including Finland, the 2016 Sweden asylum center stabbing, and other migrant-related crime incidents""

                    [–]exejpgwmv [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    All that proves is that immigrants commit crimes. Not that there was a huge crime increase caused by immigrants.

                    [–]Shatners_Balls -5ポイント-4ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    I have no problem with citizen on patrol groups, but when the mission statement is to defend people from immigrants, that is a problem.

                    [–]wotaning 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Not when those immigrants are raping young women and the police do nothing to stop it. It's admirable there are young men out there willing to protect the weak.

                    [–]Khers 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Do nothing to stop it? Soldiers of Odin originated in Finland, where in the latest rape scandal all suspects were arrested. But keep to your narrative bro.

                    [–]Skanderbeg1443 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Soldiers of Odin are there to stop further rapes by ungrateful immigrants SCUM

                    [–]Khers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    I'd rather not have self righteous Nazis trying to "protest" my streets. All they will accomplish is making non white people feel less safe.

                    [–]sp0ck06 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Yeah so admirable, a group of convicted felon neo nazis and military deserters takes the law into their own hands. Great, sounds like a really altruistic group of young men to protect young women.

                    [–]Skanderbeg1443 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    They should since the government its betraying their own people

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                        [–]Mensabender -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Oh dear. This will surely help defuse the tension over there.

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