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HAPPENINGS[Happenings] Jamie Walton (President of The Wayne Foundation, a NPO advocating for victims of sex trafficking), has contacted Nintendo and made them aware of Alison Rapps comments. Seems like there will be consequences! (archive.is)

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[–]ChuggoBuggo 135ポイント136ポイント  (56子コメント)

Well, I'm not a fan of "call out culture" or whatever this is, but it's not surprising when it comes back to bite people in the ass. This is the SJW game, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened before with this bullshit "pedo apology" thing being all the rage with the extreme left.

[–]y_nnis 24ポイント25ポイント  (14子コメント)

I have mixed feelings about this too. If there is one thing I hate to the very core is what Alison Rapps has been trying to paint nice; I just realized I can't even type the word ffs... but then again, "calling out" is such a SJW tactic that I am really divided.

[–]BlackBison 35ポイント36ポイント  (11子コメント)

Usually, when SJWs do "call outs", it's either based on falsehoods/half-truths ("Brad Wardell was sued by an employee" magically becomes "Brad Wardell is a rapist!") or on stuff that has no bearing on anyone's life ("Scientist wears shirt with half-naked women on it!").

This concerns her advocation of certain types of child porn, which does severe harm to children, as well as the fact that Nintendo she does PR for Nintendo, who are known for protecting their family friendly image as hard as Disney does.

Not to mention that Rapp has been doing a shitty job as a PR agent, clogging up her Twitter making unfounded accusations of gamers as "white supremacists", bragging about her support of some child porn, and being a massive twat.

I'm not pushing for her to get fired, but she's already done a good enough job getting herself on the way to a pink-slip, so I'm not going to cry tears if Nintendo tells her to pack up her shit and leave.

[–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

This concerns her advocation of

I read part of her ridiculous article.

It sums up as- the western world shouldn't tell Japan how to write/enforce its laws, and with a point many in GG will agree with- that Y media doesn't always have Y effect on the real world.

Y can be anything from 'violent vidya' to 'sexism'.

Her argument ends with the contention that the porn itself is not the cause of society's issues with kids.

She should be allowed to have/debate this opinion we don't like without being fired from her job- just as Brandon Eich was fired for having views that the SJW crowd did not like.

[–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read her thesis and came away with an entirely different point. Read page 42. She directly encourages the very real sexualization of children, because it's 'tradition'.

https://issuu.com/honorsreview/docs/volumeiv/33

I'm all for letting her have this opinion, and I'm all for loli (and such, where no actual children are being harmed) being legal. But...no. She has a very real and very fucked up opinion.

[–]laughsatsjws 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

When you do PR on behalf of a company - you always represent that brand to some extent.

Nobody in their right mind, as a professional, should be arguing pro-pedophilia talking points while working at a children's company. Let alone publicly.

It doesn't really matter how morally objectionable her views may or may not be - it's that they're inherently unprofessional. (One of our biggest gripes about "professional" SJWs, if we're honest, right?) If she loses her job it should be due to this lack of professionalism, not because she holds views one way or another.

[–]AnomalousOutlier 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

So, we should be calling out her lack of professionalism; so that she is fired?

You see that the distinction is meaningless?

[–]SodlidDesu 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Every single soldier in the US Army is a spokesperson for the US Army, since the headline will not read "Drunk crashes car" it will read "Intoxicated Soldier crashes car"

Therefore, Anything that a Soldier does negatively reflects on the US Army.

This is her literally using an account she whereupon she labels herself as a Nintendo employee. This isn't the "I love dank memes and shitposting" twitter account.

She's effectively advocating pedophilia with Nintendo's brand.

And as they've said, They're not trying to take anything away just hold those shitlords responsible for their vile comments.

[–]AnomalousOutlier 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I am all for accountability, but this isn't that. She has not advocated paedophilia, she has drawn a distinction between copying a file and raping a child. She then went on to point out that there is no correlation between draconian, knee jerk laws and low rates of sexual child abuse.

I don't necessarily agree with her position, but there are people in this thread equating (poorly defined) digital images with rape and abuse.

What has happened is that someone has blown a dog whistle, there were some shitty click-bait articles by a tabloid rag, there has been a moral panic and now there are people in this sub calling for a person to lose their job because she is a jerk and an AGGro.

So, it is only cool when we do it? Fuck that. I will not doxx. I will not dogpile and I will not call for someone to lose their job for holding a contravertial opinion. I am pretty fucking disappointed for KiA swallowing this horseshit.

[–]SodlidDesu [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No but what do you think Breitbart's article will be?

"NoA PR Specialist advocates Paedophilia"

Then of course the usual suspects will come out with "GG does X!"

I'm not saying she should be fired for this. I'm not saying she should lose her job. I am saying that this reflects poorly on her company and she probably will. Maybe my wording wasn't the clearest but that's the parallel I was trying to draw.

I'm totally against calls to emotion but on sensitive subjects she should at least distance herself from her place of employment. Is there a "The views I hold are my own and not representative of Nintendo's beliefs" before her statements that I missed?

[–]AnomalousOutlier [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I agree on all counts. She is dumb and has a high profile. Several muck-rakers have a vested interest in seeing this issue trending in social media, so they can sell more shitty clicks. Even better, they would love to see GG get involved and sell popcorn as we tear each other apart with this Divide and Conquer bullshit.

The golden rule of GG remains: Don't touch the poo. This definitely qualifies.

[–]zer1223 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She should be allowed to have/debate this opinion we don't like without being fired from her job

Yeah? Let nintendo and the fucking Wayne foundation hash it out. Go tell it to them and see if they care. We have no power here, and I personally, don't give two shits one way or another what happens to her. She has it coming due to the sum total of her behavior even if this one PARTICULAR instance might be a grey area to you.

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      [–]MagosBiologis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There is a sligggght difference between calling out someone for doing something un-PC like opposing feminism or shitposting memes on Twitter, and calling out someone for encouraging illegal behaviour.

      [–]lordthat100188 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Fuck it man. I dont care anymore. If they are going to continue to destroy peoples lives by 'calling out' and deciding they know whats best, then fuck 'em. Let them eat their just desserts. I dont need to be bigger than them. I dont need to hold myself to the standard of protecting their jobs for protecting those who would rape children. Fuck it. No more.

      [–]SodlidDesu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's like that one racist said on that MTV video. "Freedom of speech doesn't free you from consequences for your actions."

      [–]douchecanoe42069 7ポイント8ポイント  (36子コメント)

      Yeah, I don't think she should lose her job. By all means, call her out, but don't get her fired.

      [–]ColePram 122ポイント123ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I think she should lose her job. Not for her opinions on paedophilia, but because she's rude to and mocks Nintendo's consumers.

      She's shit at her job and makes Nintendo look bad to their consumers because of it, therefore she should find another one.

      [–]RPN68 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think she should lose her job.

      Anyone not smart enough to understand their own role vis-a-vis their employer, indeed deserves to lose their job. If you work for a Christian Book Store, you wouldn't be tweeting pro-luciferian arguments clearly identifiable with your employer, now would you? Especially not with a shit-eating, irrefutable smugness.

      She could have stopped this all simply be engaging her common sense. Now, she will have learned a hard lesson. One most of us learned our first few weeks into our first real job.

      [–]douchecanoe42069 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well of course, if she is doing that, than she should be canned.

      [–]King-Achelexus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Let's get real, you're you're a PR person, commenting stuff that makes you seem in favor of child porn is really damn stupid.

      I'm not saying I agree with firing someone for views that have nothing to do with their work, but Nintendo is essentially a very family-friendly and child-friendly company, I'd be awfully surprised if they didn't want to fire her.

      [–]Leoofmoon 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think she should lose her job because it details her being around kids a lot

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        [–]ARealLibertarian 36ポイント37ポイント  (26子コメント)

        By all means, call her out, but don't get her fired.

        Her job involves working with kids.

        That's going to cause issues.

        [–]Inuma 13ポイント14ポイント  (14子コメント)

        ... Child Interviewer?

        So working with the public automatically makes her liable to be a pedo?

        Call me skeptical, but that really seems to be a way to inflame the situation instead of resolving it in an objective manner...

        [–]ARealLibertarian 32ポイント33ポイント  (13子コメント)

        I don't get what your point is, so I'm just going to explain my point.

        1. She has argued that child porn possession should be legal on a serious & long-term basis.

        2. Part of her job involves working with kids.

        3. She works for a company that is Disney-tier committed to their image as "kid-friendly".

        That's going to result in her being fired.

        [–]AboveTail 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Yeah. You can tell that she's all in favor of media that's "friendly" to kids. She's a fucking sicko.

        That said, I still feel conflicted about someone getting fired over opinions that they hold, no matter how objectionable. I'm kind of a fundamentalist in that way.

        [–]ARealLibertarian 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

        That said, I still feel conflicted about someone getting fired over opinions that they hold, no matter how objectionable.

        She's PR, her job is being the face of the company. She blew it rather spectacularly.

        And it's not like it's GamerGate leading the charge, the president of the Wayne Foundation has made it very clear she's not part of GamerGate.

        [–]BlackBison 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Not that's its stopping SJWs from lumping her in with us anyway. I've gone through her twitter feed concerning this, and a lot of SJWs are carrying Rapp's water on this, calling this "made up" (despite the numerous screenshots from her Twitter showing otherwise) or accusing Walton of being fooled by GG or colluding with GG (because she's an idiot who isn't going to check her sources before accusing someone of pedo-enabling /s). Some are even going FullDanOlsen and pushing the fake narrative that 8chan is a CP site. (Funny how they claim that they've reported it to the FBI several times, yet the FBI never shut it down....maybe because there is no CP there?)

        I swear, there could live video of Rapp making child porn, and these SJ zealots would accuse GG of exploiting children because they reported her to the FBI.

        [–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Some are even going FullDanOlsen and pushing the fake narrative that 8chan is a CP site. (Funny how they claim that they've reported it to the FBI several times, yet the FBI never shut it down....maybe because there is no CP there?)

        There's a lot less child porn on 8chan then there is on 4chan (I remember people saying it was shocking how quickly fullchan removed it compared to halfchan), or especially Twitter (I recall people saying they reported child porn on Twitter and it was still there months later).

        [–]lordthat100188 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thats cause 4chan mods are slower at right click saving image, what with holding all those hot pockets and tendies.

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          [–]douchecanoe42069 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

          i did not know this. that changes a lot.

          [–]ARealLibertarian 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's not the only part of her job, but working in PR/product marketing is going to involve contact with fans & when the company has spent decades marketing themselves as family-friendly those fans are going to include a lot of children.

          And something like this will get her fired no matter what.

          [–]ibidemic 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

          How so? She makes a case for a stupid thing in an academic paper no one has read. Nobody would even know about it except for shit journalism and social media outrage culture - both things we should all oppose. The walk from that to "threat to children" is utter bullshit.

          [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          yeah, it hits me as really sjwish.

          this is the same thing THEY do when WE say something they don't like.

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              [–]YurilicaPurple, White, and Green 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

              She's a PR person, working for a company that bases a lot of its business on products for children and young adults.

              Not firing her would be insane.

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                  [–]shillingintensify 176ポイント177ポイント  (18子コメント)

                  I wonder how many national headlines rapp would take if she was pro-gg.

                  We're already called paedophiles by retards who trust that psychopath dan olson.

                  Edit: Hi SRS, olson is a troll who used blurred SFW pics of kids pretending it was child porn to trick your kind for personal gain. EDIT2: OH IT GETS BETTER https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3lonkh/an_emerging_pattern_rapists_rapeapologists/

                  /u/HannahBaal Zero? Last I checked the media doesn't even need people with questionable views to cry about gamergate constantly http://gamepolitics.com/2015/09/11/anatomy-of-a-hoax/ Troll hoaxes fuel that more than enough.

                  Reminder that there is in fact a paedophile involved with gamergate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPKOSvo3AJM

                  [–]Limon_LimeMod now, I guess. Gosh... | 37k + 48k GET Knight Commander[M] 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Congrats! Your post has been linked to by SRS.

                  [–]weltallic 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Reminder that there is in fact a paedophile involved

                  They insist GG has only found one.

                  I posted a reply. One word. THREE. (my first SRS comment!)

                  YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM SRS. [Post removed.]

                  See? GG can only name one! Where are these "pedos", GG? Why so silent? Go one! name more than one! LOL YOU CAN'T.

                  [–]oVentus 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  $10 says she gets outed, and claims to be an advocate of GG to try and bring us down with her.

                  [–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Even AGG is not that psychotic. They know that if they come out in favor of GG, they will lose all (gaming) media support. They'll smear GG when it doesn't cost them anything, but a Kamikaze attack?

                  [–]oVentus 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  If they can come out in favor of pedophilia, child pornography, and female genital mutilation and have nothing come of it from the media, then nothing will. These people can advocate rape and murder and people will praise them for being strong and opinionated, because they're already in the good graces of the media and people know they will be branded as racists and misogynists if they speak out against it.

                  [–]thipp 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  You really underestimate how much the media hates us, then.

                  Pedophilia, rape, literal genocide, none of those even compare to being pro-GG.

                  [–]Bagnol 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Well of course - you Goobers may give Tumblerinas a hard time but you're all literally Hitler-Kin.

                  [–]Edmund_Black 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I'll see that and bet Treehouse gets all this swept under the rug as horsemint

                  [–]wintermute71 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Treehouse gets all this swept under the rug as horsemint

                  If Walton is now involved, it's difficult to see how that would work.

                  [–]Edmund_Black 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  As if this would be the first non-profit we've been accused of weaponizing

                  [–]Neo_Techni 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  No way. Her ego is too high to ever do that. And antigamergate's "groups are responsible for the acts of every member" only applies to us and no other group on the planet. So, they're in the clear using their standard double-standards

                  Why would she even have to? They still keep Sarah Butts around

                  [–]Lightning_Shade 78ポイント79ポイント  (30子コメント)

                  So I've been thinking about this...

                  1) If this were some unrelated opinion of hers that someone dug up and wanted to fire her on that basis, I'd definitely say no.

                  2) However, she actually posted this on the same account she uses for work. The fact that Pterodactyl Princess or whatever is also her work account is a detail that initially eluded me because I didn't check thoroughly.

                  3) She's not a regular employee, but a PR rep. She kinda represents her company, or, at least, is supposed to.

                  4) Therefore, her behavior, described in 2), is extremely unprofessional. That's not how you PR.

                  [–]overbose 57ポイント58ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Wait, her personal Twitter account is also her work Twitter account?

                  That...kind of changes things for me, a little. I was pissed because I didn't want anyone's personal views, no matter how vile, to affect their work life as long as the two were kept separate. But you're saying she uses her personal Twitter account as a professional one as well, for the company? That changes everything,

                  It's also absolutely idiotic. Why would anyone do this.

                  [–]Gloomkinn 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Wait, her personal Twitter account is also her work Twitter account?

                  Yep, and she even uses Randi's blockbot on her work account where she lists herself as a Nintendo employee.

                  [–]wintermute71 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  She doxxed herself, ironically.

                  [–]ARealLibertarian 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Wait, her personal Twitter account is also her work Twitter account?

                  Oh no, it's just her personal Twitter account that she also uses for her work. So her defending child porn on it is completely OK!

                  Now you might think that "her personal Twitter account is also her work Twitter account" & "her personal Twitter account that she also uses for her work" are the same, but that's like claiming that "person of color" & "colored person" are the same!

                  [–]sodiummuffin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  No, I don't think she has any "work twitter account". It's just her personal account.

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                    [–]call_it_pointless 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I believe she even linked to her essay on her linkedin. That makes it very hard to claim someone stalked her to find this information or something

                    [–]WouldYouBanAGayGuyMaybe 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    And this is why good Teacher Prep programs will tell incoming students to dig a hole and ditch their social media accounts into that hole. They can cause more harm than good. Especially when you have your own students and their parents trying to friend or follow your accounts. Heck I've even heard from some teachers that if they go out to drink, they'll leave town if they live in the town they teach in.

                    Really, this is something a lot of colleges, and heck even middle and high schools, should cover. Never mix your work with your personal.

                    [–]BlackBison 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I know a few people that work as school teachers and college professors, and they make a separate Twitter accounts and Facebook pages that they post "family friendly" stuff. All the more "adult" stuff gets posted onto other the accounts that they don't use their real name or face pics.

                    There are a lot of overbearing parents that shit bricks over the fact that a teacher went out for drinks on their night off, as well as snoopy students that are fishing for dirt to blackmail their professor for better grades.

                    [–]kaltigur 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    "don't shit where you eat", as they say

                    [–]nogodafterall 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    This is wrong. Work should not be political. What you describe is a life without separation of politics, work, and living. It shouldn't matter what beliefs you have, as long as you can do the job. If she wasn't a PR rep, I would be totally against firing her, but she has eliminated her ability to do her job correctly by making herself a target in such a way.

                    [–]WouldYouBanAGayGuyMaybe 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    life without separation of politics, work, and living.

                    Not really sure how what I describe fits the "without separation" part. Let me better explain. If you must have a social media account for work, then keep your personal business off of it. That account represents the company and you, work you that is. If you want an account for your own personal use, go for it. If you're concerned about your private account being used against you (cause let's face it, there's just nasty people out there), then go anon or make sure to use as many of the private settings as you can but realize that someone may still see your posts in a friends timeline.

                    I do agree with you that private accounts shouldn't be used against people's employment, but the reality is, some companies do use them against employees and potential employees.

                    I come at this with insight from teachers and their experiences. Heck if you read through the replies to me, someone else mentions that there are snoopy parents that would try to use something posted on a private account against a teacher or even students looking for blackmail. As I even said I've had teachers tell me that they'll leave town if they want to go to a bar/pub because parents might try to get them fired over that (something not necessarily on social media). If I recall a regional news story correctly a teacher was discovered to be gay from his social media account and he had to leave the district to find work elsewhere. This was within the last 10 years.

                    What the solution is? I really can't say other than keep work and personal separated.

                    [–]nogodafterall 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Publicly stigmatize people who do in micro life what SJWs do on the macro scale. We used to call it telling people to mind their own fucking business.

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                      [–]crystalflash 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      This is the result of social media becoming so integrated with our everyday lives, and it'll will most likely be the very thing that eventually kills it off. Nobody is fond of it, The same thing can happen to any one at any time, and people are starting to feel that social media is basically one big Miranda Warning, where anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion. When any politically and ideologically motivated group of radicals, or hell just a random person, can use your social media to ruin your career, is it any wonder why people are starting to abandon it?

                      [–]ManyATrueFan 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      What makes it a 'work twitter' account?

                      [–]crystalflash 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That's my sentiment. If I worked PR for a company, or otherwise acted as a representative of the company I work for. The first thing I'd do is scrub my social media clean, act in a professional manner at all times, and avoid politics at all fucking costs unless I was specifically instructed to. I use about 2-3 different pseudonyms online for a reason, and I'm sure most everyone here has taken measures to ensure that the username/pseudonym they post under isn't linked to their professional life. A very openly opinionated and politically active PR representative causes nothing but nightmares for a company, They end up alienating a sect of their consumers, or they attract the attention of special-interest groups who get salty about what this person says. Rapps has managed to do both as a PR rep for NoA, and if they don't end up firing or demoting her, I'd be absolutely shocked, especially considering it's a notable anti-pedophilia group complaining to a company whose obsessed with their child and family friendly image.

                      I don't agree with being fired for holding certain views, since we all know it could happen to us one day and I consider it one of the biggest negatives of the proliferation of social media, but that is the state in which we live in now, and why I myself has generally abandoned social media. It's just not worth it to maintain what I consider a preacher's podium just to have my words and actions bite me in the ass 5-10 years down the road.

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                        [–]Ban_this_nazi_mods 27ポイント28ポイント  (13子コメント)

                        She has over 73k tweets and hasn't tweeted in 10 hours. Something definitely happened.

                        [–]platinumchalice 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Higher ups probably told her to shut her fucking mouth for a while.

                        [–]TonchMS 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I'm shocked they didn't months ago. This is hardly the first time she's been drawing ire.

                        [–]boredagain_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        This equates to roughly 30 tweets per day since the start of her account in February 2009. Does she even work? That's reason enough to fire her.

                        [–]kvxdev 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        She works PR as her job. That is part of her job. Look at, say, Barbara at RoosterTeeth.

                        [–]finalremix 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        Was she the one in black armor in RvB?

                        (I should watch that again)

                        [–]DarkIntelligence 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        She just tweeted a reply 36 minutes ago as of this post

                        https://twitter.com/alisonrapp/status/704822367864786948

                        [–]ARealLibertarian 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        And of course it's to respond to Izzy "I help cover for Pedoberg" Galvez.

                        [–]deluxejoeSocks are a misogynistic tool of the patriarchy. 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Feels like a bit of a hollow victory. I would rather see her fired because of her poor performance at her job instead of an article she wrote several years ago that isn't even connected to it.

                        [–]AlloyMorph 41ポイント42ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Good. Now ignore the insect on the windscreen and re-focus on the road.

                        On the rain on that road.

                        The Torrential Downpour.

                        [–]kaedanir 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        HIGH ENERGY COMMENT

                        GIVE THIS PERSON A COAT

                        [–]TheThng 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        So I think i am out of the loop. I understand that torrential downpour is spreading the word about treehouse sucking. But why is treehouse a big deal? Do they do a lot of localizations?

                        [–]Celestialknight423 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Apparently they do a lot of localizations for Nintendo of America.

                        [–]Viredae 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        AFAIK they did the localization for both FE:F and Bravely second.

                        Which means I better up my rune reading game if I wanna play them comfortably.

                        [–]sodiummuffin 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Something to keep in mind is that even aside from the principle of the thing and it potentially being blamed on GG in order to derail the concerns about censorship, if Walton is successful at getting her fired the precedent will be horrible. Imagine Nintendo later considering whether to hire a localizer who vocally opposes censorship, the sort who work for companies for XSEED. Or one that's pro-GG. If she gets fired it pretty much ensures nobody with anti-censorship or "problematic" views will ever be hired by Treehouse.

                        [–]Soupburger 54ポイント55ポイント  (77子コメント)

                        Im torn between my great contempt of those who try to get people fired for different opinions and my sense of karmic justice.

                        I end up mostly happy because she defended CP which is the ultimate form of exploitation and the most clear example of how pedophilia can be harmful to children. They go after adult porn stars for contributing to a toxic damaging society but then several notable figures not only defend pedophilia but receive 0 shit for it from their camp.

                        [–]sodiummuffin 62ポイント63ポイント  (67子コメント)

                        she defended CP

                        She argued that the legal system should focus on stopping production and distribution rather than on possession. That is not the same as defending cp in any broad sense.

                        Anyway, it's out of our hands since it's the founder of some anti-sex-trafficking organization pursuing it. Just stay the hell away from it since anti-GG will try to blame it on us and try to use it to derail the concerns about bad localization.

                        [–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 28ポイント29ポイント  (45子コメント)

                        She argued that the legal system should focus on stopping production and distribution rather than on possession. That is not the same as defending cp in any broad sense.

                        The legal system is already focused on stopping production and distribution. The question is: why on earth would you want to make possession of images of children being raped legal? I find that rather horrific. I find it even more horrific that an abused child will know that there are thousands of very sick people pleasuring themselves to the worst experience he had in his life.

                        It might not be a full-throated defense of child pornography, but it is a defense. And I think it's horrible.

                        Just stay the hell away from it since anti-GG will try to blame it on us and try to use it to derail the concerns about bad localization.

                        Let them. "Evil Goobergapers get child pornography supporter fired".

                        [–]sodiummuffin 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        The question is: why on earth would you want to make possession of images of children being raped legal?

                        She never said that, only that the laws concerning possession should be less strict in an unspecified way. The laws as they currently exist involve arresting teenagers for sending pictures of themselves to their boy/girlfriends, so there's room for reasonable loss of strictness there. The essay is vague and poorly written, so she can easily twist it as meaning whatever.

                        [–]ibidemic 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Possession of child pornography was not a crime in Japan until 2014. The paper argued against international pressure on Japan to make it illegal.

                        [–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        The laws as they currently exist involve arresting teenagers for sending pictures of themselves to their boy/girlfriends

                        Preeeeeeetty sure that was not all what she was advocating for.

                        The essay is vague and poorly written, so she can easily twist it as meaning whatever.

                        She's lucky to be such a terrible writer.

                        [–]ColePram 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        Yeah, I agree. I read her paper too and my issue is there is a lot of grey area in there, but she never clarifies.

                        There's a massive difference between real CP and just cartoons or teens sexting each other in my opinion. There have been cases where teens have been arrested and put on sex offenders list for that and I think it's kind of an extreme punishment for their age and something the WANTED to do.

                        But her paper doesn't make that distinction and she at one point on twitter stands up for someone that was arrested for possession of a shit ton of CP because he wasn't the one producing it. It's not as bad as being the one making it IMHO, but it's still unacceptable. Those are real people who didn't have a say and will never be able to get back what someone else took from them and they'll never even be compensated or get closure for it in anyway.

                        Sorry if you're sick, but it's not societies responsibility to keep you safe from looking at real live kids being abused.

                        [–]nogodafterall 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        The question is: why on earth would you want to make possession of images of children being raped legal?

                        Why are you for making objects illegal to possess? One of the fundamentals of freedom is punishing actions that have consequences for real victims, not crimes of conscience or non-violence. Possessing evidence of a crime =/= commission of a crime. I see the logic in what that states.

                        As it is, do you support drugs being illegal to possess, even if you have no intent to use them? Why? Who is being hurt by this possession?

                        We punish objects, not actions, and it's one of the legal guides for moving on to things like punishing people for owning cryptographic technology, because that's what turrists use, and why should you own something like that unless you're a turrist?

                        Just because something is morally reprehensible and downright evil, doesn't mean you lock someone up for it for decades. Being an unrepentant racist is morally reprehensible to me, but I don't advocate for those people being rounded up and processed to jail.

                        And before anyone starts in on "CP HAS NO VALUE OUTSIDE OF BEING WANK MATERIAL FOR MORAL REPROBATES!", I have to say: so what? I didn't know being a moral reprobate was a crime, anymore, after we deposed the church and made pearl clutchers leave town hall. Unless the guy owning the CP is going out and hurting kids, he's just a deplorable human being. And you'd be hard pressed to argue that owning a picture of a kid puts the kid in danger, or causes the child harm if NOBODY EVEN KNOWS, etc. You'd have to essentially ban all images or video of anyone that has ever had something bad happen to them, or that they even consider bad, because the existence of such evidence "hurts" them.

                        Consistency or bust.

                        If you're arguing that owning the image with the intent to sexually enjoy it is a crime or cause for concern... Fine. Pedophilia, or such tendencies are now a national security threat, or something. Fucking start locking up people who show tendencies to enjoy youth or anything. Just fucking arrest them. It doesn't matter if they don't have kids or don't go near school zones. Start with the people who cast children in Hollywood, work your way down to the people that argue things on the Internet. Anybody that so much as looks for more than 3 milliseconds at someone's daughter, BAM. If you don't care about principles, consistency, or basic things like that, then just give your argument as "Locking him up because I just know he's a pedo, and I think that's morally wrong. DEATH PENALTY!"

                        We could use a good old fashioned moral crusade that isn't about feeding the fat poor or about saving a shit-speckled desert lizard.

                        [–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        https://issuu.com/honorsreview/docs/volumeiv/33

                        Page 42, paragraph 2, etc etc. I hope more people actually read it and see what she has literally argued for.

                        [–]nogodafterall 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Aside from some "cultural imperialism" bullshit, it seems to be making the argument from both sides rather well. I have to ere on the liberal side of it: you can't claim that child pornography "makes people commit crimes" any more than you can claim that video games make people commit crimes; and that possession is, in itself, not worthy of prison time. I did like the bit about images on computers being copied == dissemination, according to cops, so that merely seeing CP on a web board is the same as disseminating it, just because your computer made a local copy in cacheing. What a bunch of fucking mouth breathers.

                        For a SJW, she makes fairly compelling arguments on the pro-freedom, less-state side of things.

                        [–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Page 42 is saying that it's okay for Japanese to be pedos because they have a culture of it. That's literally what it's defending.

                        [–]YESmovement 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Possessing evidence of a crime =/= commission of a crime. I see the logic in what that states.

                        So I can knowingly have money that was robbed from a bank, as long as I wasn't directly involved in robbing that bank myself?

                        Possession is illegal to discourage production...ever heard of supply & demand? No demand=no supply.

                        [–]nogodafterall 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The money belongs to the bank. You cannot claim ownership of stolen property. It belongs to the bank. A copied image on a PC is not stolen property. That's a fallacy right there.

                        Making something illegal to discourage production? Not only does that not provide a legal basis for WHY it is illegal...

                        ... when has making something illegal EVER successfully discouraged its acquisition or production?

                        People who abuse children are going to do it anyway, either because they want to or because of money. Unless you paid for the images, you cannot prove demand or support. Only possession. Therefore, you are attempting to rationalize something that doesn't make sense.

                        Criminalizing possession no more discourages demand than criminalizing a blunt discourages buying pot, or criminalizing paying for a blowjob discourages prostitution. You're going after the fucking end user. And both of those cases are violations of rights, too, that do dick and squat.

                        Criminalizing things actually makes it more profitable. The provider ups the price for the same amount of work, because he can justify it due to increased risk.

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                          [–]JymSorgeeJym here, reminding you: Don't touch the poop 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          And "empowering children's sexuality" ie. pedophiles (cause the child 'really wanted it')

                          [–]triggerthedigger 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          since anti-GG will try to blame it on us

                          Why would you change your behavior to satisfy those people when you are well aware that doing so will just make them more abusive?

                          [–]YESmovement 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          She argued that the legal system should focus on stopping production and distribution rather than on possession. That is not the same as defending cp in any broad sense.

                          So people should be allowed to possess stolen goods, as long as they didn't actually steal it themselves?

                          [–]rmcsmd 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          She said criminalizing possession is like criminalizing thought. That's insanity. There are no victims in your mind, whereas a video is a recorded victimization of an actual person. Demand would increase if possession were legal, which would encourage even more production. By her logic, I should be able to commit any crime I damn well please, because it's not illegal to think about doing it.

                          [–]sodiummuffin 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          She said criminalizing possession is like criminalizing thought.

                          No, she didn't. She PARAPHRASED AN OPINION FROM SOMEONE ELSE saying that, without saying that she agreed with it. And then John Kelly cut out the part of the sentence where she said "they argue" and presented it as being her own opinion, and was echoed by The Mirror uncritically.

                          In the future please don't take claims from literal known anti-GG shills/trolls at face value.

                          [–]PhervorTrillups 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think in cases like this, it's best to supply the actual quotes from the essay itself. That way, when folks try to pass off their uninformed opinion as fact, you can have the solid proof backing you up (which hopefully works well enough out of context),

                          One would hope, that this could also lead more people to read the essay themselves.

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                            [–]bihuni 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Oh please, defending a pedo-apologist, you couldn't white-knight any harder if you tried, could you?

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                              [–]JoCoLaRedux 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              I end up mostly happy because she defended CP

                              That's like labelling proponents of drug legalization as "Defending heroin use"

                              [–]ARealLibertarian 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              That's like labelling proponents of drug legalization as "Defending heroin use"

                              And? If someone wants to do heroin I'd much rather them do it with legal (i.e. no criminals involved) and regulated (i.e. much harder to overdose) then buying smack cut with who-knows-what & in unknown potency from some cartel.

                              The vast majority of the bad effects of illegal drugs is from trying Prohibition 2.0.

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                                  [–]KobeerNamtabTHE TRIGGER NAZI 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Pedos and pedo apologists have no business working in anything that has to do with children, period.

                                  [–]Metaler 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I don't give a fuck if this woman defends pedophilia or whatever. She needs to be fired for lack of professionalism and not knowing how to separate her beliefs and her job. People like this need to start from bottom of the ladder. Mommy and daddy ain't gonna help you pay the bills forever, mongoloid dipshit bitch ass motherfucker.

                                  [–]lenisnore 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  I thought the Wayne Foundation funded boys homes? :^)

                                  [–]LordUnderTheMountain 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  I'm not a fan of the direction this is taking. As far as I know she wrote academic pieces on the issue. It runs counter to my instincts and desires to punish anyone for anything they wrote.

                                  [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  it's very sjwish. and I've been here for a long ass time.

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                                    [–]DarkJaimas 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    People, just fucking ignore it.

                                    On one hand, trying to get someone fired for their personal politics is the tactics of the enemy. I get it, that sucks, but this isn't an issue pushed by Gamergate and has almost nothing to do with it. Fact is, Rapp openly defended honest-to-god pedos on her own personal twitter account, and, in all likelihood, will meet the same fate as Geordie Tait before her.

                                    This will get considered a "gamergate action" regardless of what is said or done, but fact is, we long ago divorced ourselves from giving a shit about what these unpleasant shits say about us. They already religiously have called us terrorists, harassers, misogynists, and worse, mostly with no real evidence whatsoever, for over a year now. We were blamed for everything from Brianna Wu's dog to shit SA did (those are actually the same thing now that I mention it, but that's another thread).

                                    This direction wasn't even pushed by anything remotely connected to Gamergate. Just sit back, warm up some popcorn, stop giving a shit what the likes of the Revolters and SA Fags are doing, and focus on getting shit done. What will happen to Rapp will happen to Rapp, regardless of what is said and done.

                                    [–]graspee 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                    The Wayne Foundation?! Holy shit we are living in Batman.

                                    [–]godpiggy 3ポイント4ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                    Co-founded by Kevin Smith I've heard so the name isn't too surprising. The dude fuckin' loves Batman.

                                    [–]graspee 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                    Don't we all? I'm not sure why though: Batman and Iron man are rich guys with toys and I thought most of society was turning against "the 1 percent" these days. You'd think the popular superheroes would be ones with modest origins like say Spider-man.

                                    [–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                    Batman and Iron man are rich guys with toys and I thought most of society was turning against "the 1 percent" these days.

                                    For the same reason a bunch of GamerGate hates trust fund brats but loves Milo and Donald "$4 Billion" Trump is massively more popular then Mitt "$400 Million" Romney.

                                    Batman & Iron Man may be rich children of privilege but they learned humility and dedicated their lives to stopping those who harm others & teaching the weak to be strong.

                                    If Batman was Bankman and he spent his time going around beating up the homeless to make them leave anyplace he wants to mansions on and his arch-enemy was named the Judge and wanted to put Bankman in prison for the corporate crime he committed then no one would like him.

                                    Same as how Milo doesn't act like he's superior to everyone else and you should be honored he's even in the same building as you and how Trump wouldn't make that "47%" remark that sunk Mittens campaign.

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                                        [–]NEWater 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        I'm out of the loop here. What were the comments, exactly?

                                        [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        https://issuu.com/honorsreview/docs/volumeiv/33

                                        Read it for yourself, about 10 pages I think.

                                        [–]godpiggy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        She defended the possession of child pornography is how it seems to be and from what I can tell has implied more relaxed sex laws in regards to children (which sex laws I don't know precisely).

                                        [–]NEWater 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        popcorn intensifies

                                        [–]overbose 19ポイント20ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                        God damn it. I don't know how to feel about this.

                                        She's a bitch and I despise her. I want her reprimanded, then fired, and then to have her name so muddied that she won't be hired by anyone in this industry. She's far from being the most unlikable person on the anti-GG side, but that's just because they broke the scale; on any normal likability scale she would be at the bottom and I can't feel sorry for her no matter what happens to her.

                                        But at the same time it's not as though she's parading around in public slipping pics of nude children to people trying to buy the latest Mario game and telling them, "No, it's fine, if you get arrested for this it's just legal bullshit." She wrote one paper and made a couple of tweets that are ambiguous enough to be taken either way, and neither of these were on official NoA channels. It's off-work shit. I want her gone, but I want her gone because Nintendo sees that IN HER ROLE AT THE COMPANY she's nothing but a liability. I want her gone because they realize she's antagonistic to customers and driving away business. Just having a controversial opinion about a touchy subject while being in public relations for a company doesn't fulfill that criteria. Not for me, anyway.

                                        The most solace I can take from this debacle, I guess, is that it wasn't GG that struck the blow, it was an outside group. If the Wayne Foundation hadn't said anything, this wouldn't have gone anywhere. No one would have paid attention to GG saying this kind of shit. If she gets canned I certainly won't cry, but I won't be cheering, either.

                                        [–]sinnodrak 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        There's something you touched on which is important.

                                        Her paper contained opinions and thoughts, not actions.

                                        Punishing her for her opinion on a matter is mostly dumb. For all I know she could have made the piece to be intentionally inflammatory.

                                        That doesn't mean she doesn't deserve criticism for the piece.

                                        I don't want anyone that's not an elected or public official to get fired for their opinions. Opinions can change, or become more informed. It's a totally separate realm for actions.

                                        All that said, I also wouldn't blame Nintendo for almost any action they take in this scenario. If you publicly associate yourself with your company, and it becomes a PR scandal, then they may be forced to take action. That doesn't mean I like it, but I could sympathize with Nintendo's stance if they feel its necessary to let someone go for something like this.

                                        I prefer the simplest solution which it seems most people under 25 don't have any concept of:

                                        Never associate my professional life with my online persona unless in a strictly controlled and purposeful manner.

                                        [–]fauvhan 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I want her gone, but I want her gone because Nintendo sees that IN HER ROLE AT THE COMPANY she's nothing but a liability. I want her gone because they realize she's antagonistic to customers and driving away business. Just having a controversial opinion about a touchy subject while being in public relations for a company doesn't fulfill that criteria.

                                        I wonder if you remember Josh Olin - the guy who used to be a CM for Turtlerock.

                                        Donald Sterling has the right as an American to be an old bigot in the security of his own home. He's a victim.

                                        Booom, fired, because

                                        "The comments made by our former community manager stand in stark contrast to our values as a game development studio,"

                                        If Turtlerock (and, potentially, Nintendo) said "We fired our employee because he/she has been using an account tied to our brand to discuss volatile topics", my response would most likely be "too bad, but this is somewhat understandable policy". What we got, instead, was a weird statement that, when compared with original tweet, implies that Turtlerock does not value... a right to privacy? That they like sensationalist media? They were pretty much explicitly saying Olin was fired because of his values, not because of his misconduct.

                                        Now, compare his case with Rapp's. Not only is she doing exactly the same in terms of volatile topics, but... seriously? Kid-friendly brand being associated with, of all possible issues, paedophilia disputes? If Turtlerock, a studio that has shit to do with Sterling, privacy laws or NBA, felt Olin's "values" were damaging, then Nintendo should not only fire her but also pay Google to to purge her entire persona from the web and then consider nuking her home just to be sure. Proportionally speaking of course.

                                        Now, if Olin's conduct as CM wasn't bad enough to be called the reason for his firing, then he, simply, shouldn't have been fired. Which means Rapp, proportionally speaking, should not be nuked either. But fired? That's something to consider, based on her vitriolic conduct alone...

                                        [–]Draconicsama 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        The best way to get a kid to stop acting up is to embarrass the hell out of them. The best way to get someone to learn their lesson is to shove their own medicine in their face.

                                        You might not like the tactic, but it works.

                                        [–]Neo_Techni 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        Besides, they claim to be the good guys. If using the "good guys" tactics is evil, when then they were never the good guys to begin with

                                        [–]multiman000 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Same. She may be a giant asshole but unless she had something against her that was more than just a few tweets and something as heavy as what Butts has against them, then I don't see why GG should have been involved. I like that a different group is going after her, one that has more weight than GG, but it still feels off.

                                        [–]gearsofhalogeek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        How exactly is gamergate responsible for HER ACTIONS?

                                        The blame lies with her, and her alone.

                                        SHE IS THE ONE THAT SAID WHAT SHE SAID. On a public forum. Where anyone can see it, not just gamergate- I did'nt report her, I ignored her, and from the article I read, regular people saw it and complained to nintendo. but really, who fucking cares? She is the one that said what she did in a public forum, on her personal account and NINTENDO has every right to fire her.

                                        Nintendo apparently thinks her opinions do not reflect their opinions and terminated her.

                                        MILLENNIALS DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR ALL ACTIONS INCLUDING OPINIONS.

                                        [–]platinumchalice 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        It's called a Godzilla Threshold. We're at the point where we're now considering previously unthinkable tactics in order to defeat our Godzilla. We wont know how far is too far until its done.

                                        [–]godpiggy 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        No. You made me look up 'Godzilla Threshold.'

                                        It's from TV Tropes. What have you done? There goes any prospect of me getting anything done for the next two hours. I hope you're proud of yourself.

                                        [–]platinumchalice 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Better to get it out of the way now. I spent so much time on TV Tropes in high school that I've pretty much read everything there is to read on it. I am immune, and so too shall you be.

                                        [–]godpiggy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        The compulsion is weaker than it used to be. I'm only accomplishing progress in the necessary things today in short bursts before it pulls me back.

                                        [–]Punkster2345 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ykAXB3JFy4

                                        [–]Aurondarklord 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Well when BATMAN gets involved...

                                        [–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 23ポイント24ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                        Let's see if the SJWs will forget their usual "freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences".

                                        We should not go overboard in saying that nothing should lead to someone being fired. I've literally had people tell me that people should not be fired for being bad at their jobs. I know you're coming from a place of decency, but you're taking it too far.

                                        The attacks of Ms. Nosering on the customers of the company ought to be enough to have the company be concerned about potential losses. This is not us picking a fight with her, the way SJWs go out of their way to be offended by everything. This is her picking a fight with us.

                                        [–]CallMeBigPapaya 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                        I've literally had people tell me that people should not be fired for being bad at their jobs.

                                        Don't conflate people being fired for an essay vs being fired for being bad at their jobs.

                                        [–]platinumchalice 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        But she's ALSO bad at her job. She shits on Nintendo consumers all the fucking time.

                                        Do you even know anything about this woman besides what you've read on KiA?

                                        [–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Don't conflate people being fired for an essay vs being fired for being bad at their jobs.

                                        I'm just pointing out that a lot of people in Gamergate take this way, way, way, way too far.

                                        [–]Gkgoten100 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        If someone is actually bad at their job then yes they should be fired or let go, but never for their opinions(I am still hesitant to fully support Rapp being fired solely for her defending pedo shit, on the other hand, I do fully support her being fired for being bad at her job)

                                        [–]CallMeBigPapaya 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        this. I'm not defending against her being fired for the way she's conducted herself on twitter (since she is a PR rep) but this is manipulating Walton and her position as leverage against Rapp. If Nintendo doesn't fire Rapp for being bad at her job, but for some other reason, it doesn't mean that Nintendo is listening to us about localization.

                                        [–]ARealLibertarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        but this is manipulating Walton and her position as leverage against Rapp.

                                        Walton has had experiences with AntiGamer going back over a year.

                                        [–]TheMindUnfetteredGrand Poobah of GamerGate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Personally I think there is a difference between pointing out someone is bad at their job and campaigning for them to be fired. If their employer is aware, but does not fire them, then let it go. They only ones they hurt at that point are themselves.

                                        [–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READY 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I think it's her defending of a real-life pedo that got people's backs up.

                                        [–]djmaca 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        I don't really like this, but oh well.

                                        [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        speak up about it. it's wrong witch hunting people. period.

                                        [–]djmaca 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Because I'm conflicted as well.

                                        On one hand, there's someone who promotes the ideas of lesser ban of porn where kids are being fucked by adults.

                                        On the other hand, getting her kicked just because of her ideas seems to be the same tactics they would use against us, only in this one no one is actually lying about what she said and what she wrote. Yes, the same tactics we call abhorrent and wrong.

                                        Which, may I ask, is the lesser of two evils? Where does justice lie?

                                        [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        imo- we need to stand for freedom of speech, even of people we completely fucking hate.

                                        It applies to Allison Rapp just as much as it did to the kkk'ers from yesterday.

                                        and just as much to Greg Elliot

                                        [–]gearsofhalogeek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Buddy Allison can have freedom of speech, but it comes with consequences. Something millennials don't understand apparently- everything you do has consequences in some way.

                                        Consequences, always. If you are making yourself a public figure and everyone knows you work for a certain company, and your employer doesnt like what you are saying, be prepared to be terminated. Free market, at will and pleasure employment, etc, etc.

                                        Its called common sense in capitalism. TOP KEK.

                                        [–]oldenvye6432 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Let me just make something clear - Standing on principle can be misinterpreted as whiteknighting so I hope you can see the difference...

                                        I'm of the view that people should be held accountable not for what they think but what they do. That being said she is going to be judged good or bad for something she puts out to the public. I don't like her but if she is going to be fired I'd rather have it for something that she's doing.

                                        The academic paper could be interpreted in a number of ways but I got the impression that she was leaning on the side of freedom of expression - Unless it is a straight up CP video (criminal) we could be talking anime, manga, films TV, games - Fictional representations: Not real. This is something we fight for all the time and dare I say compatible with the way folks at GG generally approach expression and art.

                                        When she wrote this she may have been less radical and now she has gone off the deep end but unless she is involved with say fucking up game localisations that are "problematic" due to her ideology then I'm all for letting her go but I haven't seen anything so far that points to her being involved with that -

                                        She may even agree with those decisions as stupid as they are but that only makes her a dick.

                                        Not a capitol offence.

                                        [–]ARealLibertarian 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        Unless it is a straight up CP video (criminal) we could be talking anime, manga, films TV, games - Fictional representations: Not real.

                                        No, real child porn is OK in her book.

                                        [–]kna5041 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I am not an expert on ethics but it doesn't seem right to be the right thing to try and get her fired.

                                        [–]Donk_Quixote 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        Wait, did you just out Jamie Walton as Batman?

                                        [–]CyberDagger 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Wasn't that Wu?

                                        [–]Donk_Quixote 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        She's not the hero SJWs need, she's the one they deserve.

                                        [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        On a dark and stormy night in a dark gotham allyway, Wu was walking with her parents, when SUDDENLY...

                                        They gave her a 200,000 dollar donation and she blew it all on a subpar game, so came the birth of .... BAT WU

                                        DA NA NA NA na na na nA BATWU

                                        [–]BrokenWrd 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                        ITT People arguing that a legitimate victim's advocate is doing wrong by letting a family friendly company know one of their PR agents advocates for Child Porn.

                                        [–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        "Moderate GamerGate" tends to be the most self-righteous, dogmatic, and "with me or against me" section of GamerGate.

                                        Same as how those people crying "We need to be ruthless guys! There are no rules in war" tend to be the most weak-willed, cut-and-run-at-a-moments-notice, cowards there are.

                                        Same as how those people who keep crying "we need muh PR" have the worst grasp of public relations imaginable.

                                        It turns out that there are rules in war, the first of which is "win". And it turns out that all those normies don't give a shit about some weeb game being butchered in localization but do care very much that the PR person talking to their kids at a Nintendo event thinks child porn possession should be legal. And it also turns out that if someone treats everyone who disagrees with them as being lower then insects that alienates everyone who had even minor disagreements.

                                        [–]RPN68 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        We tend to agree quite a bit for two who disagree so often.

                                        I've been saying for ages that the "normies" don't give a flying fuck about 96% of anything that passes here. Even less for ghazi. What they do care about are pedos and risks to children. They care to a point of instinctual irrationality.

                                        You don't have to like the mainstream. But beware mocking them, because if you get their attention, you might have to deal with them. And there are a fuckton more of them than you can ever imagine. ...and once they're engaged, it becomes a war of attrition...

                                        [–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        You don't have to like the mainstream. But beware mocking them, because if you get their attention, you might have to deal with them. And there are a fuckton more of them than you can ever imagine. ...and once they're engaged, it becomes a war of attrition...

                                        What I really hate are the morons who keep trying to "purify" GamerGate so the normies are going to like us while having no fucking clue how average people think or act.

                                        "Fuck the mainstream, I can take them!" is retarded but I can at least respect that said retard knows what effect they're going to have, "We need the mainstream on our side, so cancel that investigation into all those AntiGamer pedos! That will scare away the normies! Normies don't care if someone is molesting children or supporting child porn! Normies care about abstract arguments over ethics in gaming journalism!"

                                        I've been saying it for a long time "Muh PR = Bad PR".

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                                          [–]xenar01 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          I'd rather have everyone in charge of localization at Treehouse to be fired for being shit at localization and removing content, instead of focusing on one fuck because of her stupid opinions, which I honestly couldn't give a shit about right now. This really isn't the first time she has said something retarded, so why try to get her fired now for it?

                                          [–]jlitwinka 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Nintendo of America must be shitting themselves right about now. Having an advocate for Victims of Sex Trafficking call you up like this is a PR persons worst nightmare.

                                          [–]ThisIsWhoWeR 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I don't care at all what happens to this special snowflake, but getting her fired for her insane views is over the line. That's SJW bullshit.

                                          I mean, I'll point and laugh if she loses her job, sure. But this is not the right way to combat insane lefties.

                                          [–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READY 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          How did Walton discover this anyway?

                                          If she hadn't been involved, I doubt anything would've happened. All this talk and it sounds like Nintendo didn't even know a single thing about it.

                                          [–]rockSWx 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          What is she referencing?

                                          [–]SwearWords 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          PR lady for Treehouse (Nintendo's "localizers") advocated for relaxing child porn laws.

                                          [–]samxero76 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I have mixed feelings on this as well. This is what they do. But you can't help but chuckle. However, you just know if Nintendo fires her, she's gonna go the professional victim route. She'll probably make more money. :(

                                          [–]Arreeyem 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          I'm gunna come out and say it. I don't believe she should be fired. She did nothing but express her opinion. I honestly hate when people post "This person defended pedophiles!" stories like we are the morality police. This is not the place for these posts regardless of who said it.

                                          All that being said, she's an absoluted idiot. Expressing an opinion online means your employer WILL see it and if it's a conflict of intrest (which this 100% is), you WILL be fired. If you want to get someone fired because you don't like something they said fine, it's completely within your rights but please stop using this board as a place to gather a witch hunt mob.

                                          [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          yeah, hate her, but this is stupid SJW shit.

                                          [–]Tormunch_Giantlabe 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          Fucking gross. Getting her fired for wrongthink?

                                          We are the SJWs now. Fuck.

                                          [–]SkizzleMcRizzle 7ポイント8ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                          let's make something clear. this isn't call out culture. this is removing someone who is defending a pedophile, from a position that lets her deliver her message to kids.

                                          [–]multiman000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Except context is needed when she was talking about that and we still need more proof that she's actually doing something bad within the games she's worked on. If she doesn't even work on the games but talks to people then it's even less of a thing.

                                          [–]AnomalousOutlier 0ポイント1ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                          No bad tactics, just bad targets? Got it.

                                          [–]SkizzleMcRizzle 3ポイント4ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                          okay. let's put it another way. what if sarah nyberg made a kids cartoon, an entire series no less, and it was hosted by cartoon network and disney. should she stay there, where she can possible warp many childrens brains, or should she be removed and put somewhere more appropriate? like perhaps adult swim.

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                                            [–]Wowimaprat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Everyone is saying "We cannot stoop to there level" or "we have to be bigger" is the reason Gamergate lost steam half way through. Ideologues like Alison are people who weed there way into an industry and break it from the inside, if not influencing members what is racist or what is not then it's by controlling her role to push that. You believe just because she was involved in marketing that she does not have a say in mentally backing up people like her that are part of the localizations game editing team?

                                            You fight on an even playing field, you don't pull punches and further more if they are not willing to show decency in debate against your side, which doesn't authoritate how people should think, then you should not show it back to the opposition which does do that in an incredibly parasitic way. Let Alison serve as the head on a pike, hearing "Internet community goes through with the horrific act to get someone who supports the concept of child porn" isn't bad when it's associated to you and with the Wayne Foundation diving on this extremely early the media can't blanket it up so well.

                                            [–]godpiggy 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            I think something may have already happened, guys.

                                            https://twitter.com/jobsatnintendo/status/704699010670432256?lang=en

                                            [–]sodiummuffin 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Doubtful. They have plenty of various offers.

                                            [–]godpiggy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Now that I look at all of the times of the tweets and stuff... you might be right.

                                            [–]AstojapResident ottering Sealion[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            that certainly looks like it.

                                            [–]Rounder8 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                            I really feel like this has been just a massively hypocritical action on the part of gamergate supporters, and I don't think we'll be able to come back from it.

                                            We can't both support a system of meritocracy and skill over personal beliefs and demand someone be fired for their personal beliefs. That's what the people we disagree with do.

                                            People here did their best to spread this and draw attention to it, and regardless of it being approached now by this third party our hands are dirty. There's no way to justify this that doesn't leave at least a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

                                            I'm really disappointed.

                                            [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            yeah, this is almost exactly what sjws have been trying to do to us for a year.

                                            I don't know how ANYONE could vote up this kind of behavior in good conscience.

                                            [–]sodiummuffin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Who? Every thread I've seen about this has been strongly in opposition. There's a thread on the front page with 1100 upvotes denouncing it. The main people spreading it were not GG supporters but John Kelly and @Christijunior. Both are trolls who obsessively hate GG and participated in the RIP-trolling mocking the GG supporter who committed suicide and trying to get GG to go after her bereaved friends. There's a handful of people being useful idiots, largely because they listen and believed to lies from literal known shills, but at least they're the minority.

                                            Having any number of people buy into it and continually having to correct the same bullshit is frustrating and I understand where you're coming from. But keep in mind the whole thing has been known since the beginning to be an attempt to create drama and provoke reactions like yours, just like it was when the same people unsuccessfully tried to get GG to attack people for mourning Lily Feng's death.

                                            [–]Rounder8 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I've seen people here straight call her a pedophile, shes been blasted on twitter for it, and there are people in this thread posting in support of this.

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                                              [–]CallMeBigPapaya 3ポイント4ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                              Jesus christ. This is going too far. It's fine to ridicule her views but this is so stupid. She hasn't harmed children as far as anyone is aware, so why does she deserve to be fired over it?

                                              Put the effort that you're putting into the pedo stuff and put it into oprainfall.

                                              [–]sodiummuffin 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                              It's the founder of some anti-sex-trafficking non-profit, not a GG supporter. And it was a rabid anti-GG troll/shill (John Kelly) who spread it around in the first place, GG rejected his bullshit so he went to uninvolved people like this.

                                              [–]NastyLittleBugger 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Honestly, I'm not going to be surprised if she gets fired. From what I heard, she's a PR person. Getting a company to be associated with CP is bad business. So pretty much she won't be fired for holding controversial opinions, but because her job and this kind of opinions are a terrible match.

                                              [–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                              Enabling the harm of children is also pretty bad. She literally defended child pornography.

                                              Imagine being raped as a child, and then knowing that there are thousands of very sick people who pleasure themselves to the worst thing that happened to you in your life. That is not cool.

                                              [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              This is very similar to how SJWs justify violence in videogames being too much- I think it's a difficult argument to make while capturing all the nuance you need to make it a good one.

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                                                [–]KungPaoEllenTheFist 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                why does she deserve to be fired over it?

                                                Because she brought down a shitload of bad PR on her employer, who just happens to be one of the most family-friendly companies in the world. Nintendo has every right to protect their reputation by firing anyone who pisses off their customers.

                                                [–]CallMeBigPapaya 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                So I assume you agreed with Mozilla firing Brendan Eich for supporting Prop 8?

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                                                  [–]legayredditmodditors57k ReBrublic GET 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  thank fucking god.

                                                  [–]craschnet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I'm not a fan of the thought police, but if you start publicly advocating for pedophilia you are going to get criticism and ridicule.

                                                  [–]jabberwockxeno 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  People shouldn't be fired for writing academic thesis's on controversial topics, especially where it's irrelevant to their job.

                                                  This is the type of thing we should be fighting against.

                                                  [–]masatoyuki 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I do not know who she is, but her saying that the age of consent in my home country is 13 to use us for pedophilia ideals is really off-putting. Our laws protect children under majority age from adults. I do not think she deserves the working position when making slander like this against the origin country of the company she works for, but it is also wrong to attack someone for speaking their mind unless I am missing something of more importance or harm.

                                                  [–]ARealLibertarian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  but it is also wrong to attack someone for speaking their mind unless I am missing something of more importance or harm.

                                                  She works in PR for Nintendo, Nintendo has spent decades building a reputation as a "family-friendly" company. That means she's going to be fired after Nintendo finds out what she said.

                                                  [–]Lamec97 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Jamie Walton confirmed for shitlord.

                                                  [–]boommicfucker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Well, let them investigate. I sure hope they aren't doing the populist kangaroo court bullshit I expect of SJWs.

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