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[–]Pan_troglodytes -19ポイント-18ポイント  (51子コメント)

The person who opened the door, knowing there was a cat there, is a prick. Cats can be pests but there's no need for that shit.

[–]ytilartuen_teN 12ポイント13ポイント  (49子コメント)

The person who opened the door, knowing there was a cat there, is a prick. Cats can be pests but there's no need for that shit.

You're an idiot. The guy is free to let out his dogs on his own backyard and the cat can fuck off. It's a cat, it can handle itself, it's faster than dogs so even in case there would be a fight, the cat would get away.

[–]zundish 4ポイント5ポイント  (17子コメント)

Yes, and not only that screw people that just let their damn cats run loose.....any pet actually, but I see a lot more dead cats on the road than dogs. I say the people that own the cats and let them run loose are the bad ones here.

[–]ytilartuen_teN -2ポイント-1ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yes, and not only that screw people that just let their damn cats run loose.....any pet actually

Cats are, by nature, outdoors animals...

I say the people that own the cats and let them run loose are the bad ones here.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Cats should be free to roam their environment, just like other animals can. Yeah, it's sad if they get run over, and in dense areas keeping them indoors might be the better option, but in calm areas, let them outside, that's their comfort zone, that's where they're supposed to be.

Edit: Lol, using alt accounts to spread the same bullshit and downvote me. Classy. Enjoy the ban.

[–]mellifluid -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Housecats are pets. They are not indigenous to any place I know of. If they are not pets, they are pests. If your pet is roaming my property and drowns itself in a pond, or gets killed by a coyote, or even if it gets killed by my dog, it's not my fault. Either it's your fault because it's your pet. Or it doesn't matter because it's a wild pest animal.

[–]SomeEthiopian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one is saying it's your fault, but an outdoor/indoor, rodent killing cat with a job is way happier than a fat indoor cat that sits around all day.

[–]ytilartuen_teN -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Housecats are pets.

Housecats are a subspecies of domesticated cats. Domesticated cats can either be kept as pets, or live in human-populated areas as semi-wild cats.

They are not indigenous to any place I know of.

They are. Cats have a territorial range of up to several kilometers (which they vary over time as well), which includes but is definitely not limited to the house they're kept in. To pretend otherwise is denying nature. If you decide to adopt a pet fox, it doesn't suddenly mean they're solely indoors animals. Same goes for cats even after domestication.

If your pet is roaming my property and drowns itself in a pond, or gets killed by a coyote, or even if it gets killed by my dog, it's not my fault.

Indeed it isn't. Which is completely irrelevant anyway. But let's consider some of your arguments: cats can swim, drowning is unlikely. Coyotes aren't everywhere - let alone outside of the USA, since you know, there are other continents. Dogs don't usually kill cats and even if they try (in which case I'd say you suck at training your dog) they wouldn't easily succeed because cats are much faster and have vertical advantages.

Either it's your fault because it's your pet.

Or not because animals make mistakes independent of their owner - the owner didn't command the cat to drown itself, for example.

Or it doesn't matter because it's a wild pest animal.

Didn't you just say cats are not indigenous to any place you know of? Yet here you call them wild animals, making them - per definition - have a habitat.

Cats are not pest animals. Did you skip biology class?

[–]eldritch77 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

... you don't get it, they can still live someplace and have a habitat there WHILE not being indigenous, that's what an invasive species is.

[–]ytilartuen_teN [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You mean like humans?

Edit:

No, humans are the dominant species and as such the whole planet is our natural habitat.

Hahahahaha, this is gold.

[–]eldritch77 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, humans are the dominant species and as such the whole planet is our natural habitat.

[–]zundish [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Letting a cat loose is not a good thing. It is irresponsible. As I said, it's irresponsible for anyone to just let their frickin' animals out to run loose unless they are well-trained to stay INSIDE the boundaries of their yard. If you think otherwise, sorry, but you're dead wrong.

[–]ytilartuen_teN [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Letting a cat loose is not a good thing. It is irresponsible.

Exactly the opposite is true: It's the responsible thing to do. Cats natural habitat extends way beyond the walls of your house. Any responsible pet owner would account for the nature of the pet to give it maximum comfort and well being.

As I said, it's irresponsible

As you said, and you're wrong.

unless they are well-trained to stay INSIDE the boundaries of their yard.

Look at you. You really have no clue about pets do you? Can you cite me any laws that state you can't let your cat roam? I mean, I assume you live in the USA, but hell, any law of any country would do.

If you think otherwise, sorry, but you're dead wrong.

I literally study this shit. Ethology, bitch. I could very easily get several professors of my University to cite. But to be frank, I doubt you are willing to learn anything about this topic.

[–]unusedwings [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well then it isn't my problem if that cat roaming in MY yard gets killed by my dog. It shouldn't be there, regardless. There is no reason for a dumb cat to be roaming the neighborhood.

[–]eldritch77 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Exactly the opposite is true: It's the responsible thing to do. Cats natural habitat extends way beyond the walls of your house. Any responsible pet owner would account for the nature of the pet to give it maximum comfort and well being.

Then a responsible cat owner would not own one unless he can provide a big enough outdoor area to it that belongs to him

[–]ytilartuen_teN [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Then a responsible cat owner would not own one unless he can provide a big enough outdoor area to it that belongs to him

Nope. Cats roam wherever they want to roam, and there is zero obligation - both morally AND legally - to own all the area.

Try harder. Try other alt accounts as well, that'll get the admins to like you.

[–]eldritch77 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't use alt accounts.

Cats roam wherever they want to roam, and there is zero obligation - both morally AND legally - to own all the area.

Legally, no? Morally, yes. If you don't own and control the land, then you shouldn't be surprised if your cat gets killed if it wanders into the yard of someone else.

[–]ytilartuen_teN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't use alt accounts.

A one day old account spamming the same bullshit rhetoric as the other account, even in the same language style.

It's like you're not even trying.

[–]zundish [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're a waste of time. Go away.

[–]ytilartuen_teN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you're not up for it, why don't you leave instead?

[–]eldritch77 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cats are, by nature, outdoors animals...

Yes, so maybe you shouldn't own one unless you have a big enough outdoor space for it.

[–]hermeslyre -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's faster than dogs so even in case there would be a fight, the cat would get away

Not always.

[–]Pan_troglodytes -4ポイント-3ポイント  (29子コメント)

Typical reddit virgin reply. Love it.

The cat was in the middle of the yard, they let two dogs out knowing this. The cat made it by the skin of its teeth. Do you think it would be OK if the dog had got the cat and torn it to bits?

I'm no cat lover. In fact, I have dogs myself. But I wouldn't want them to rip a cat to shreds...because I'm sane.

[–]SomeEthiopian 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't understand the food chain!

Typical reddit virgin reply. Love it.

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I don't understand the food chain!

Who doesn't understand the food chain? Are you able to comfortably read? Do you need me to explain what I was saying in a simpler way for you?

Typical reddit virgin reply. Love it.

Typical reddit virgin reply. Love it.

[–]SomeEthiopian [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

stop digging buddy

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

stop digging buddy

I'm not digging, 'buddy'. I'm defending my point (which is right).

Instead of doing your damndest to post witty replies which are totally without substance, why not make a fucking point?

[–]SomeEthiopian [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

why not make a fucking point?

dogs eat cats, cat in wrong neighborhood, cat get fucked

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's much better! Well done.

dogs eat cat

Not often, especially not well-fed, suburban dogs.

They do kill them though, yeah.

at in wrong neighbourhood, cat get fucked

The point I was making is that if you can avoid the unnecessary suffering of an animal, you should. Getting pissed off that a cat's on your property's all well and good, but if you think it's just to see the animal torn limb from limb then you've got problems.

Squirt the fuckers with a hose. Light some fire-crackers. Let off an air-horn. Whatever. But ripping them apart? Yeah, that's both unnecessary and troubling.

[–]SomeEthiopian [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Or ya know, use those two things you bought that are dedicated unwanted intruder chasers. Also, that cat was 100% fine the whole time. Cats have no problem outrunning dogs, this one was hardly trotting and still out ran a full speed lab. Additionally, if your cat comes in my yard, and my dogs kill it, luckily that stupid cat that thinks it's ok to jump fences doesn't get to pass on his genes. Hooray for natural selection!

[–]flomoag 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Dogs chase cats. That's the way of life. How often do you hear of cats being torn to shreds by dogs? No more often than any other dog fights or pet fights or whatever. The assumption that dogs will literally rip to shreds anything they catch is what is actually insane.

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Dogs chase cats. That's the way of life.

I know. You might want to have a word with /u/ytilartuen_teN though, because they think it's only coyotes that attack moggies.

How often do you hear of cats being torn to shreds by dogs?

Dunno really. The thing is, it happens though, doesn't it?

No more often than any other dog fights or pet fights or whatever.

I wouldn't like to say without any statistics to hand and worthwhile data isn't going to be easy to come by because cats are roamers who tend to run away and hide to die.

Your shout that it happens as often as a dog fight seems about right though, if I had to choose.

The assumption that dogs will literally rip to shreds anything they catch is what is actually insane.

It is and it isn't.

I've spent my life around dogs and it pays to respect each and every one of them and assume the worst, even if they're good animals. Just like a gun should always be treated like it's loaded.

[–]ytilartuen_teN [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

because they think it's only coyotes that attack moggies.

I said coyotes are the natural predators. I did not say - which was also evident from the rest of the comment - that it's the only species.

You're an idiot.

Also, chasing =! viciously attacking and ripping a cat to shreds.

It's very clear that you have no clue what you're talking about, let alone have any credentials in even a slightly related field.

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I said coyotes are the natural predators.

And it didn't occur to you that domestic dogs wouldn't fall under the heading of "natural"? No?

You're an idiot.

Poor wickle /u/ytilartuen_teN. Have you had your nap? Is that why you're being badly behaved?

Also, chasing =! viciously attacking and ripping a cat to shreds.

Who said it did?

It's very clear that you have no clue what you're talking abou

Pardon? Why is that clear? Because I don't buy your psychic 'I'm always right' shtick?

The points I've raised are valid, mate. You won't even admit that dogs chase and often kill cats, for fucks sake! Ha!

let alone have any credentials in even a slightly related field.

Ah! I love this one. What are my credentials? Do tell!

[–]ytilartuen_teN 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Typical reddit virgin reply. Love it.

Ah, thanks for preparing me for your comment.

The cat was in the middle of the yard

Oh no

they let two dogs out knowing this.

Oh no

The cat made it by the skin of its teeth.

Oh no

Do you think it would be OK if the dog had got the cat and torn it to bits?

Oh n-

The dog wouldn't have got the cat and torn it to bits. Seems like you don't understand shit about cats and dogs.

I'm no cat lover.

Irrelevant.

In fact, I have dogs myself.

Irrelevant.

But I wouldn't want them to rip a cat to shreds...because I'm sane.

Well luckily, I wouldn't want that either. Unless you were insinuating that I would?

I don't even know what that fallacy is called but it's a fallacy alright.

Anything else?

[–]Pan_troglodytes -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ah, thanks for preparing me for your comment.

"I know you are, but what am I!?" Point proved.

Oh no x3

How productive. Thanks for your unsolicited reply full of utter nonsense.

The dog wouldn't have got the cat and torn it to bits.

Oh, I see! You're psychic! You should've said.

Seems like you don't understand shit about cats and dogs.

No, mate. It seems that you don't understand at all. Dogs chase cats. Dogs kill cats. It's nature.

This might help.

Irrelevant (1)

No, it's totally relevant. Someone who themselves is a cat fancier might feel swayed to post in defence of the animals even if they're in the wrong.

Irrelevant. (2)

Again, no. It's totally relevant, unlike your wannabe psychic, all-knowing shtick. I've had dogs all my life. I have dogs now. I know them. I also wouldn't see them rip up a cat or any other animal if I could help it.

Well luckily, I wouldn't want that either.

The three "Oh no" shitcomments you added certainly appear to suggest otherwise.

Unless you were insinuating that I would?

Given your tone and attitude, possibly yes.

I don't even know what that fallacy is called but it's a fallacy alright.

There's no fault with my reasoning though. Your comments have demonstrated disdain for the safety of the cat, therefore it's logical for me to assume that you'd be content to see it injured.

Anything else?

You muddle through this lot first. If you do well I might give you some more...but no promises, okay? Daddy's busy today.

[–]flomoag [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I just want to point out that your "let me google that for you" link doesn't do as much for your argument as you thought. The links that come from googling that basically say that dogs instinct is to chase cats, not kill them. I know for a fact that my dog (and most people's dogs, for that matter) would just want to chase/play with the cat. Or squirrel. Or raccoon, skunk, deer, etc. So yes - if the owner's intent was to rip the cat limb from limb - his actions are probably not justified. However, more than likely, he just wanted to let his dogs chase a cat. Which is normal, and okay.

Also, you're giving just as much snark as you're getting.

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I just want to point out that your "let me google that for you" link doesn't do as much for your argument as you thought.

Dogs chase and sometimes kill cats. It's a fact, right? It's not just me who thinks that. The LMGTFY link was more a sarcastic reply.

The links that come from googling that basically say that dogs instinct is to chase cats, not kill them.

Yeah! It's a well known fact, isn't it? Except /u/ytilartuen_teN refused to acknowledge it, so I felt the need to demonstrate the point.

I know for a fact that my dog (and most people's dogs, for that matter) would just want to chase/play with the cat

With all due respect, you know nothing of the sort. You think it wouldn't. You don't know. No one ever knows 100%.

My eldest dog will lay down with cats, mooch around with them, ignore them for the most part, but he chased one up a tree on one occasion and was bearing his teeth at it because it hissed and scratched him across the end of his nose when he sniffed it.

To say "most people" is a massive over-reach too. What about people with dogs known for their high prey-drive? What about unneutered males who are more territorial? Females who have just had a litter? There are so many variables.

So yes - if the owner's intent was to rip the cat limb from limb - his actions are probably not justified.

As I said, treat all dogs with respect. Assume the worst. They're animals.

The only point I was trying to make was that letting the dogs out to harass and possibly even hurt the cat was a dick move.

However, more than likely, he just wanted to let his dogs chase a cat. Which is normal, and okay.

I don't agree there. I don't think it's okay.

Also, you're giving just as much snark as you're getting.

I get what I give.

[–]flomoag [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So I don't think we'll agree on most things. And that's okay. No disrespect at all.

I do have one question, however, regarding your point about assuming the worst in dogs. Just because people murder other people, should we treat everyone as a murderer? If so, we shouldn't leave our homes. We shouldn't marry, or have children, because the risk of something bad happening, albeit very small, is present.

I know it's a bit of a dramatic example, but the root of the point is this: if you always live by what could happen rather than what should happen, you'll spend your life living in fear.

[–]ytilartuen_teN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah! It's a well known fact, isn't it? Except /u/ytilartuen_teN refused to acknowledge it, so I felt the need to demonstrate the point.

Mind stop bothering me?

Also, you didn't prove shit. I refuse to acknowledge your statements because they're false.

Man you're a piece of work.

[–]ytilartuen_teN 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Dogs chase cats. Dogs kill cats. It's nature.

This might help.

Natural predators of the domesticated/house cat are coyotes. Dogs only in rare circumstances.

You can cherry pick articles, so can I.

Daddy's busy today.

Hahaha. You're not even above 20 yet.

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Natural predators of the domesticated/house cat are coyotes. Dogs only in rare circumstances.

Oh, I see. I'll have to get my field glasses out and see if I can spot some coyotes over here then. That's quite worrying.

You can cherry pick articles, so can I.

Haha! How did I cherry pick articles?! I posted a LMGTFY link! You chose the links to click on, sweetheart!

Hahaha. You're not even above 20 yet.

If only that were true. I'd give my eye teeth to be in my teens again.

[–]ytilartuen_teN [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Haha! How did I cherry pick articles?! I posted a LMGTFY link! You chose the links to click on, sweetheart!

I didn't click any of your lmgtfy shit links. I bet I can find plenty of articles 'proving' bush did 911 if I use the right search terms.

A lmgtfy link doesn't prove shit, dumb fuck.

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't click any of your lmgtfy shit links

My links? How so?

I bet I can find plenty of articles 'proving' bush did 911 if I use the right search terms.

Dunno. You saw my search terms though. They were quite plain and unbiased.

A lmgtfy link doesn't prove shit, dumb fuck.

Aw, dumb fuck? Sorry I've got under your skin, mate. It's just that, well, if you post a message to a complete stranger which begins with "You're an idiot" you've got to expect a little bit back. Especially when your original message is predicated on nowt more than opinion.

The LMGTFY proved a simple point, whether you like it or not. You've posted nothing though. Not even something from a questionable source!

[–]mellifluid 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do you think it would be OK if the dog had got the cat and torn it to bits?

Yes. That is how nature works.

The cat's owner should have kept it on their own property.

Owning a cat doesn't give you the right to use other people's property as a shit pile.

[–]Pan_troglodytes -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes. That is how nature works.

That is indeed how nature works, I'm not debating that. What I'm saying is that if you can do something to prevent the needless suffering and destruction of an animal, you should.

The cat's owner should have kept it on their own property.

Maybe so. Cats roam. It happens. It doesn't mean the animal should be torn up. It means the cat's owner should be getting a paper bag full of cat shit through their letterbox.

Owning a cat doesn't give you the right to use other people's property as a shit pile.

If you want to see your dog rip a cat to shreds because it's dropped a couple of turds on your lawn then you might want to seek out psychiatric help.

[–]Tutus-1 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

What if the cat is preying on the wild songbirds that nest on my property (as happens to millions of native songbirds across the world due to the abundance of 'roaming' cats)? I'd far rather lose one unnecessary pet cat than the indigenous birds that are struggling to survive in suburban areas.

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What if the cat is preying on the wild songbirds that nest on my property (as happens to millions of native songbirds across the world due to the abundance of 'roaming' cats)?

They do, the little fuckers. I hate it. We have them on our property going after squirrels, birds...you name it. I still wouldn't see them ripped up by my dogs.

I'll often go and make a big show of opening my back door, with lots of banging or clicking. The cats are usually smart enough to know that my dogs are coming out and they scarper.

I'd far rather lose one unnecessary pet cat than the indigenous birds that are struggling to survive in suburban areas.

In theory I agree 100%. I'm sick of the destruction they mete out and I'm sick of people tolerating it because they're fluffy and cute. I still wouldn't see one ripped apart by dogs though. I'm anti fox-hunting, badger baiting etc. for the same reason. It's inhumane.

[–]Tutus-1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We disagree slightly here, badger baiting is a cruel, unnecessary 'sport' that is illegal for good reason and even lower on the ladder than dog fighting. Fox hunting is one of the faster, most discriminate and efficient ways of controlling fox population. I don't equate them at all in terms of cruelty.

[–]Pan_troglodytes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We disagree slightly here

We do seem to, yeah. You're entitled to your opinion, but I strongly believe fox hunting to be an exceedingly cruel and ineffective way of controlling fox populations. It causes unnecessary suffering and belongs in the annals of history, along with bull baiting and other cruel pseudo-sports.

The real issue (to me, at least) is that seeking to have an animal ripped apart by dogs is a cruel and despicable thing when there are quicker and more efficient ways of both ridding your property of pests and controlling pests.

Edit - This is an interesting article which shares some solid information RE the effectiveness of fox hunting, if you're interested.

[–]ytilartuen_teN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Owning a cat doesn't give you the right to use other people's property as a shit pile.

No, but there are no laws against animals doing that.

Are you gonna report to the police when a bird shits on your head?

You're just a pathetic hater.