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Proposal: Ban ravencrowed for defending a homophobe/misogynist douchebag and continiously concern trolling (self.metanarchism)

nomorefreezepeach が 投稿

https://www.reddit.com/r/metanarchism/comments/483k7b/transparency_banned_uancommie/d0hw6su

You should make a proposal if you think someone should be banned. I have a question. Is the argument (and I'm not saying I agree or disagree) that economic issues are of primary importance, banned on this sub? Cause no matter what you think, arguments and debates like that should not be blanket banned. What if someone came into a thread about class issues and said that sexism is the most important thing and should come before class, would they be banned as well?

He's defending a piece of shit who went into the women's thread to tell women that feminism isn't important, and some hateful bullshit about gender identity.

Even goes to drama to complain:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/4833vt/ranarchism_gets_salty_over_bros_infiltrating/d0ha5a6

Has everyone had enough of this concern troll yet, or is it just me?

/r/ravencrowed

Using a throwaway so him and his bros don't make me their next target.

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[–]Rad_q-a-v_Just Rhizoming 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose. I have negative love for ravencrowed but them disagreeing with my ban isn't grounds for a ban in itself.

[–]ravencrowed 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Saying someone who has bad opinions shouldn't be banned isn't the same as defending those opinions.

metanarchism is intended as a place to comment on the subreddit and the actions of the moderators. if you disagree with me, then you're welcome to comment too. Making a ban proprosal because you disagree with my opinions on the subreddit is weak.

[–]nomorefreezepeach[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Saying someone who has bad opinions shouldn't be banned isn't the same as defending those opinions.

Yes it is. Don't go defending a bigot and then tell me he has some kind of right to his bigotry in our space you POS.

metanarchism is intended as a place to comment on the subreddit and the actions of the moderators.

Hence this thread. The moderators should have banned you months ago, so I'm asking what the hold up is?

Making a ban proprosal because you disagree with my opinions on the subreddit is weak.

I'm making a ban proposal because after months of edging closer and closer to the line, you finally crossed it and showed that you shouldn't be welcome here any longer.

[–]lokkenmor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The moderators should have banned you months ago

So what this line tells me that you're actually acting on a vendetta that you've been holding onto for a protracted period of time, rather than acting on what was said specifically at the time you're bringing up.

Does that about sum this up?

[–]sync0patebig kahuna 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose. Saying someone shouldn't be banned isn't necessarily a support of their arguments. This is just trying to get rid of people you disagree with.

[–]rebelsdarklaughter 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oppose

[–]Hannibal_Lecturer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Oppose

Counter-proposal disallow ban proposals from throwaways as long as the same persisted troll is around. I mean check the wording and the tendency to make up bullshit and tell me you haven't seen that crap in similar proposals from throwaways before.

Using a throwaway so him and his bros don't make me their next target.

[–]analogueb [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

nah, throwaways have legitimate uses. People here in general are good at judging what has merit or not.

[–]SpaceHeeder [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oppose.

[–]RednBlackSalamander [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oppose. This is stupid and petty and exactly what I'd expect from someone named "nomorefreezepeach."

[–]APartOfSomething [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Naw

[–]limitexperience 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oppose

Ancommie is def a manarchist and I think they deserve to be banned, but I don't think /u/ravencrowed is being really unreasonable by bringing this up (though I disagree pretty hard with them).

Class war anarchists are a huge part of the tradition, I personally think class war is garbage analysis and strategy. This user went over the line when they were making fun of the "third" gender and that sorta thing. Their comment about economics trumping other struggles is shitty as fuck, but it's also typical class war anarchist garbage, so they are a manarchist but I don't think they should be banned for just making that argument, and I don't think Rad banned them for that specifically anyways.

[–]nomorefreezepeach[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Rad banned ancommie for homophobia. Saying a homophobe shouldn't be banned is the same as defending a homophobe imo.

[–]sync0patebig kahuna 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

No it's not.

[–]nomorefreezepeach[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're fighting to allow homophobia/misogyny in our space, you're supporting homophobia/misogyny. How can you not see that?

Ugh. I'm not even going to argue with one of you freeze peach bros today, it's like treading water uphill.

[–]sync0patebig kahuna 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Allowing the person to stay isn't the same as tolerating their homophobia or misogyny. There are other options - removing their comments, caling them out, giving them a warning, giving them a temp ban, etc.

None of it means that you support their opinions, and it's got nothing to do with free speech.

[–]FuckYeahKropotkin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

your opinion is shit tbh

[–]_Dances_With_Trolls_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

that is fucking terrible analysis

[–]Prince_Kropotkin -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

How about no more fucking throwaway trolls trying to get everyone banned.

Your argument is that "Someone who defends someone else's right to free speech must necessarily agree with the speech being made" which is pants-on-head foolish.

Using a throwaway so him and his bros don't make me their next target.

What is with the FEAR OF BROS TAKING OVER here? There's no evidence for it whatsoever.

[–]SpaceHeeder [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think the consensus the last two times this was brought up was that it can be important to let people make proposals anonymously but that they shouldn't be able to vote.

[–]BMRGould [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Alt accounts =/= trolls. Make a proposal if you want to get rid of alts making ban proposals though.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

OP talks like a troll and acts like a troll, I think they're a troll.