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[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (32子コメント)

My quote is based on advertising and marketing experience.

Your husband is also using logic in relation to his new car. See he's using logic of perception.

He has a certain prestige from owning a vehicle my guess is he's going to go for something branded like a Mercades or a BMW or audi. He thinks that it will give him a certain standing in society. That's a logical thought process. He doesn't concern himself with the details because he has made his mind up using a logical thought process. Thinking of warranties and reliability is actually emotional. Because you're worried about cost / maintenance / reliability.

Also your school choice was based on emotion you worried about the cost fear is an emotion.

[–]GridReXXProfessor Jigglypuff [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

If her school choice is emotion based.... So is his car choice despite your hamstering otherwise.

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

From what I read her main point about school was Cost. Cost = Fear.

The car is logical if you can show how its emotional id love to hear it when all you have about his car choice is

He wants a new car, just to own a new car

Bet if you asked op he would name a luxury brand of vehicle. Because he is thinking logically it can be because that's how he feels toward people with that vehicle so he is projecting his desires onto a vehicle or maybe he is thinking "I want a new car not a used car because then its mine no one else has driven it and its fresh and new and there are no problems no scratches no smells" both are logical thought process.

Is this a emotional or Logical choice?

"Man women love lambos so If I have a lambo women will love me"

Is this emotional or logical?

"Man driving that lambo made my dick hard"

Or lets bring this back to sex.

Which is Logical which is Emotional?

"Well this girl is really attractive she is funny has a great body I wanna be with her"

"Man this girl can fuck like a demon I need her in my life"

[–]shoup88Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So saying "I don't want to start off my career in the hole because I accrued an unnecessary amount of debt" is emotional, not logical?

[–]GridReXXProfessor Jigglypuff [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

They're both thinking rationally and in their own interests.

Though as you did for her, I can easily make a case that his decision was also based on emotions and how others view him. Pride, fear, etc... All emotions.

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yes those are all emotions. But he is thinking about those emotions logically. He isnt feeling those emotions when he is making that decision he would be thinking of the possible emotions from his decision.

Again a logical thought process.

[–]GridReXXProfessor Jigglypuff [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

How is her thought process not logical?

As he purchases the car this man is no doubt feeling many things about how he hopes ppl perceive him.

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But his feelings are already made after a decision they are a byproduct.

Im going to bold and {} it up

One was close to home (Comfort, Logically distance from home is not a concern; that is emotional), much cheaper {Logical and emotional}, smaller {emotional}, and less prestigious {emotional and logical}. The other was significantly more expensive {emotional and logical}, but a bigger {emotional}, better-known school{emotional}. I felt kind of bad when I thought about going to the smaller school {already struggling with emotions}, I wanted to go somewhere more exciting {more emotions}. But I knew that the cost difference was significant {Fear of debt emotional and logical}, and that for my degree it didn't really matter which of these schools I went to {Logical}. I chose to go to the smaller school, even though that didn't feel as good to me{Struggling with emotions}, it wasn't worth an extra $20k a year to go to the more prestigious school {Fear based on logic surrounded by emotion}

[–]spots0123[S] [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

Also your school choice was based on emotion you worried about the cost fear is an emotion.

I would disagree, in your opinion, how would you logically choose between two schools? I think that if my boyfriend had chosen the cheaper college, you'd be saying he did make a logical choice.

He has a certain prestige from owning a vehicle

You're right, and he really likes how that makes him feel. I really don't think it's a logical thought process, it's not like it actually makes him a higher class, especially with all his debt.

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

I would look at the individual teachers in my program.

I would stalk their network connections on LinkedIn, to see who I can utilize as a networking tool.

I would speak to graduates from both schools.

See he likes the idea of how it will make him feel. Remember he won't get that emotion until he owns the car so he is basing it on logic. He is thinking of a perceived emotional benefit (people will think I'm x because I drive y and that will make me feel z) but since that emotion is tied to ownership his decision is based on logic.

Also his perception will make him feel high class. He thinks he'll feel like he's elite because he drives a (insert overpriced pretentious vehicle here) Because he perceives people who drive those vehicles to have status.

[–]spots0123[S] [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

I think you're lying if cost would absolutely not be a logical factor to you. I did look at the professors, and they were similar, both had very good programs and the exact same clinical rotation sites.

See he likes the idea of how it will make him feel. Remember he won't get that emotion until he owns the car so he is basing it on logic.

Well, I can't argue with that. Be honest with me, if a woman wanted to buy an expensive luxury because of how it made her feel, would you consider that a logical decision as well?

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Did you kow women buy cars based on how many cup holders there are in the car? (youll notice vehicles marketed toward women have a lot of cup holders) Or how far off the ground the vehicle is? Those are all emotional things. (Perceived safety and comfort) [yes we in advertising study such stupid shit] (you should see how indepth a demographic profile into a consumer goes)

A lot of the time our decision process is done subconciously as well.

It depends on the emotional reasoning of the women.

Cost to me isn't much of a factor that's emotional not logical. I'm afraid of debt but my education is more important and fear of debt is less important then making a sound decision that will give me the best opportunity of success. (Not saying you didn't btw)

See I look beyond professors as well I want to kow who has better connections in the real world so I can piggy back of them.

Logic and emotion are on a fine line. And the marketing / advertising industry does extensive study to find how to best sell you shit.

From my experience women fall toward emotion and have a much lower threshold to having emotions brought out in them. While men teeter to logic and have a higher threshold for emotional content but if you instill a emotion in a male it is usually very intense. (Most noticeable in anger)

[–]shoup88Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying, you think going into debt over the specific brand of a vehicle is the logical choice? And that cup holders are emotional? What is the emotion behind cup holders?

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Cup holders = comfort / safety.

Stems from the safety you feel while being fed by your mother as a child.

Watch this to see how subtle our brains pick up on things we don't even notice.

https://youtu.be/ZyQjr1YL0zg

[–]shoup88Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

It's an interesting video but doesn't say anything about emotional response to advertising or gender response. It says anyone is susceptible to subliminal images.

Why can't cup holders (or general comfort) be considered a rational need? What makes perceived brand status logical and comfort emotional? I drive my car to work every day. I don't care about brand or speed, but I do care about creature comforts like temperature or the radio or cup holders.

To me, choosing to be comfortable is logical.

[–]GridReXXProfessor Jigglypuff [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wow. He is basically calling what he personally cares about and how he attains it "logical," and calling what you personally care about and how you attain it illogical.

This is the very definition of solipsism.

It's amazing watching him debate this.

[–]shoup88Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Vehicle advertising seems like a terrible example for him to have made, considering that so many vehicle commercials are directed at men and focus on the idea of driving that car, instead of the actual specs and benefits.

I think he recently took a course on advertising and hasn't quite grasped all of the concepts. He's also operating with a different definition of logic than everyone else.

But yeah, this essentially reads as when men make choices, they are logical, when women make choices, they are emotional. The actual choices themselves don't matter.

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The video is just to showcase how our brains can pick up even the most subtle cues.

It's the same with why a women would want a bigger car like a truck or suv or van because they will feel safer even if crash test data showcases smaller vehicles being safer.

To them the higher off the ground the safer they feel.

Advertising doesn't care what you think you want. Because honestly you don't know why you want what you want.

We also do a lot of studies and focus groups to figure out shit like this. Yes they did a study with identical cars and the only difference was cup holders and guess which one was more receptive with female's.

Advertising actually goes very deep into human psychology.

[–]shoup88Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree with you that a lot of research goes into advertising and it has a heavy affect on the consumer.

I'll admit, I am stuck on the cup holders. When the women picked the car with more cup holders, why was it assumed to be an emotional choice? If cup holders = comfort, why is comfort an emotional factor and not logical?

[–]sleeping_willow_Blue Pill Woman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I also don't get why cup holders is an emotional decision. It seems practical to me. She is thinking, "what feature will affect my day to day life the most?".

[–]Shaenon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Comfort and safety are rational things to be concerned about. The perceived status of an expensive car is very much emotional and irrational.

[–]spots0123[S] [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

It's interesting that cup holders are even a factor when comparing cars. Do you agree that advertisers appeal to men's emotions as well? For example, take this commercial. I don't work in advertising, but this commercial honestly seems aimed at men, and it's definitely trying to appeal to their emotions. Wouldn't a man who bought a car from Chrysler after watching this commercial be making an emotional decision?

We might just have to agree to disagree really, but thanks for responding.

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

All advertisers will try and appeal to someone's emotions. when you can make someone feel something you're more likely to sell a product.

But in the case of this vehicle it is using logic (listen carefully to the words they use)

The ad is utilizing a logical fallacy.

[–]spots0123[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

You really think this ad is using logic? I don't think they make a single logical point, it's all trying to appeal to a man's pride. "The hottest fires forge the hardest steal?" Do you really think so? And people "Don't know what we're capable of?" You know nothing about the actual car from this commercial.

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Logic isn't just about facts and figures.

Would you say that this statement isn't logical?

"The hottest fire forges the hardest steel"

[–]shoup88Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How does that statement relate to the car? Is it implying that the car is made of the hardest steel?

[–]spots0123[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well okay, but does Detroit actually have the hottest fires? I think that line is a metaphor for the difficulties Detroit has had (especially at the time that commercial aired). I doubt that the city's problems actually helped them create better luxury cars. I think if a man bought a car based on this "logic" then he would be pretty foolish. This commercial is trying to instill a sense of pride in the city, the use of "us" and "we", the tone used to describe other cities, the dramatic music, all of this is trying to appeal to emotion.

A man isn't going to watch this commercial and think "Oh, hottest fires=hardest steel= best car." He's going to watch it and think, "Yeah, DETROIT. Auto City!" And possibly want to support "his city" especially over foreign luxury cars (the "Imported from Detroit" slogan).

[–]Shaenon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Logic isn't just about facts and figures.

Yes it is.

[–]fruitenvracPurple Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is amazing. And not in a good way. You actually...you actually believe all this, don't you?

[–]MorphineOralSolution10mg/5ml [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Oh come on, brand worship is not logical. The quality of the product is the logical focus, not the name attached to it. A Toyota Prius does the same thing as a Mercedes, it's just as comfortable to ride in, they hardly ever break down, and they're cheaper to buy, run, and service. A logical person would buy the Toyota and not give a shit about feeling cool for driving a status symbol.

[–]Apexk9 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That would be a rational conclusion but you can still make a choice of a status car in a logical fashion.

I personally think its stupid but I'm also the dude who has a Hellcat but my reasoning was rational.

"I think people who drive x are y therefore I want to buy X so that people will think I'm y. Then I'll feel Z every-time I drive"

That is not a rational thought process but still a logical one that leads to a perceived benefit