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Blacks use racial slurs all the time, but Bundy can't even utter the proper name in a historical comparison!

Dave Chappell, is on TV right now exercising his freedom of speak and making money with explicit racial slurs.

The Kings of Comedy is one of the funniest shows ever, and all four comedians; Steve Harvey, D.L. Hughley, Cedric the Entertainer, and Bernie Mac use the most eplicit of cursing and racial slurs.

Black commentators say racial slurs are more often than not, a term of friendship between blacks especially black atheletes. Yet Cliven Bundy can't even pose a hypothetical historical comparison using the proper name. What is wrong with this picture?

Whats wrong with the picture? They can't address the issue

Bundy has brought up. It's the failure of the 1960s great society programs. They show a very short edited clip of Bundy saying, negro, and referencing picking cotton and slave, then it is uniformly decided, Bundy is a racist. They can't address his point, as it would be in direct conflict to their socialistic agenda to have to discuss the welfare programs of the 1960s and admit the failure that subsidized income has had on poor black families (white as well). What else could they say? Looking at the statistics of unemployment, incarceration rates, abortions, high crime rates, single family households with no Dad for support, no, that would be a very difficult discussion for a statist. Better to paint Bundy as a racist than to actually admit a multi-trillion dollar social experiments failure.

Simply discussing race does make one a racist

any more than discussing the crime rate makes one a criminal.

Bill Cosby has critizied some of the tendencies he sees in African Americans, does that make him a racists?

Typical media

This is typical of the media in U.S.A., always trying to "paint" someone as racist, to polariz the people and get them talking about who's the biggest racist. Trying to find a distraction to the situation in Eastern Ukraine.
In my opinion, he was talking and got to a point where he was "rambling" and looking for something to say. His comments were more of a "truth"...than a "racist statement".
He was talking about how "unhappy" the black culture is in these government "housing" projects...without a cohesive family unit.
The TRUTH is not racist.
The media could be focusing on "how unhappy these Negroes are, sitting on the concrete sidewalk, etc." But NO, they "label" the guy, just like they did with Dr. Paul and his Newsletters more than twenty years ago.
I don't think the media will let this one go, and die out, they will continue to "polarize" people, especially those that support Cliven Bundy...as RACISTS. Way to go MSM.
Hey maybe, NOW you can associate those that own guns as being racists, those 2nd Amendment "nuts" that supported Mr. Bundy may be racists too...Right?

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Should we be talking about this? LOL

If only we all had the common sense of George! :)

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Bundy got sucked in to the 'celebrity' of the moment

and posited a reasonable question.

He did not employ wisdom.

Video of Bundy's comments:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04...

Did you say that outloud?

You did. Rand Paul heard you before he even ran for office.

The next two elections are going to be incredible. The DailyPaul is going to light up like July 4th. I wonder how our movement will have changed. Ive certainly become more moderate. Thats just personally though.

I hope we are allowed to invite our friends. Election time people are going to be looking for answers. I want them to find them here. Like I did. Like we did.

Whack a mole is a crappy game. There has to be a way to raise our membership without making it a burden to Mr. Nystrom.

The DailyPaul has been the steward through so many important moments. Asking a community to filter those they invite is a perfect way to swell our ranks, teach those seeking it and embolden our community to excellence. So goes the DailyPaul, so goes the Liberty Movement. The DailyPaul is the torch in the hands of Lady Liberty.

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It's been a very fluid situation full of deceit

But I clean up my errors....

Hoax Exposed: Cliven Bundy’s Non-racist, Pro-black, Pro-mexican, Anti-government Remarks Vs. NY Times Deceptively Edited Version
http://www.dailypaul.com/317583/hoax-exposed-cliven-bundy-s-...

Unedited Tape of Bundy Emerges, Sheds Light on 'Racist' Remarks
http://www.dailypaul.com/317594/unedited-tape-of-bundy-emerg...

the "celebrity" of the moment

is no excuse for ridiculous pondering on if negroes would be better off picking cotton. Please don't say you wonder the same. I know people who stand for liberty believe the opposite. I really respect you B_T. This cannot be a reasonable question to a reasonable person. I'm glad you do not see it as wisdom.

Everyone is Different, and that is the point of choice. People aren't necessarily destined to repeat failures of their parents. Proof = breakdown of U.S. government slave laws.

Some people are, and that's fine. When my White Dad married my Half white/half Mexican Mom, my Dad's mom didn't like it one bit. But now I can date a Black girl without the stigma of my parents' thoughts because they LIVED through it, especially my Mom.

They both worked for everything they had, no individual could encompass them in a bubble of stereotypes. F*** people who try, and thank God for people who do the opposite.

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I have a black, blood relative, granddaughter

I'm a white Sicilian male.
I'm glad you feel free to date a Black girl.
I don't like many black people because I have had a multitude of experiences with them not living up to their responsibilities.
It's not because their black.
I find they often betray the trust they have been given.
Not because they're black.
Does that make me or Bundy a racist?
Then you're full of s-h-i-t.
My closest friend is a full out, black-as-night, black man. And he's the most faithful, trustworthy friend I've ever had in 62 years.

This ain't about Bundy being a racist.
He was making observations and comparisons about the black culture in his area many years ago.

This is about him wondering if young black men of today had a skill to use for employment they would be more whole than being pulled into the corrections system that is supported by them being jailed.

It's about the government that's making blacks dependent also bringing ethnic cleansing via Planned Parenthood to the black community.

It's about the most simple concept that industry is healthier than idleness. And our government has subsidized idleness and fatherless households.

So don't be putting words or implications in my mouth.

You need to deal with it yourself

You need to face the truth, Bundy is a racist. It has absolutely ZERO to do with what is happening in terms of his cattle. But, he is racist - the ultimate collectivism.

Part of the problem is language. You are arguing that language used by comedians is "racist" and while I'm sure he is using terms that were fine to use when he was young, that is not the issue. It isn't a matter of the terms he used, it was his sentiment and his collective de-humanizing.

I am still supportive of his stance against the BLM. Unfortunately, it is only those of us awake that understand the land-grab scheme and the enrichment of the Reid clan that is the real issue. It is his racism that might bring down the whole thing.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

All this will do

is run off the sheep who were supporting him. Those that understand what this is really about will not waiver. When the #$%$ hits the fan there will be less people running away from the fight at the front line. I would like to know the name of everyone who remains after this diversion. I want them next to me if the fighting starts.

For some reason this

distraction is clouding the real issues - I still don't understand why he would voice such opinions in an interview - keep them to himself - voicing them does nothing especially in today's politically correct charged culture.

drbilyjoe - I agree.

And this: Questions or other comments preceding the quotes were not available, leaving unknown the context of Bundy’s response.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/times-report-bundy-says-slavery-b...

Reminds me of the Duck Dynasty debacle which was also taken out of context and allowed to proceed with the A&E people sitting right there when the nefarious questions were asked. Have watched a few Duck Dynasty shows out of curiosity and Phil is exactly as depicted in that interview - a very early episode even had him using the "V" word while teaching his grandson how crayfish procreate.

Sorry to ramble on, but does anyone else see a pattern of manipulation within the journalistic field?

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I agree

And it is very unfortunate. My heart sank seeing the video last night. I had just convinced my wife (Obama person) that Bundy was doing the right thing and she now gets the Reid money-making scheme, etc... We saw the video on The Daily Show and she pretty much said "Well, that's over".

I still support his fight. The Reid oligarchy in Nevada is the issue, not his personal faults. But, the media has already ingrained the lies:
That he owes $1 Million in taxes
That he broke a law
That he was ranching on federal land

Now...he is just another right-wing racist nutball. Right on cue.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

What sentiment and collective dehumanizing

are you talking about? Specifics?

Jesus....

Read the Bundy quote again. Lumping people together as a group is collectivism "the negros", saying they don't have free will to learn a trade and work is dehumanizing and claiming they are "less human" than people with different skin.

Some of us here are actual Ron Paul people, and we are individualists, not collectivists.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Divide and Conquer

That is a bold claim to make. Do you have first hand evidence to prove your claim? You might need to deal with yourself first. He was very clear in the audio if you had listened. It's a shame that I have to waste my time writing a reply to an ignorant response to a obviously erroneous corporate news article. I agree with his sentiments completely and wish you took the time to research the matter in full before posting.

The cheese stands alone. The proof is in the pudding.

Fine then

Your struggle to understand the concept of equality and liberty is your own.

I was responding to Bundy's own words....on video - that is fist hand evidence you twit.

Perhaps he has changed, no one is born racist. I have no doubt that he will see the error of his thinking.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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The cheese stands alone. The proof is in the pudding.

Context

I'm Jewish, and I make Jewish jokes all the time. I take the whole thing pretty lightheartedly. But if someone tries to tell me something like "Jews were better off in Nazi Germany than on welfare in America" or something asinine like that, obviously I will take offense.

Be Happy

Happiness is an inside job. Become secure with yourself and you won't have to bother yourself with pointless hypothetical arguments. His beef is with the state not people of color or otherwise. Quite the opposite.

The cheese stands alone. The proof is in the pudding.

I can certainly defend his

I can certainly defend his right to use "federal" lands and not endorse him in other contexts.

Why are we tiptoeing around the panda issue? I'm in a kerfuffle.

My name is Chris Kerfufflski and I approve this sandwich.

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What.....

in the hell does racism have to do with these matters of government land grabbing??

James

My Advice To You?

Google the word "context".

The title of this post is quite a generalization.

First mistake.

No, all blacks don't use racial slurs.

What Cliven said was idiotic.

Casually using racial slurs rarely uplifts the spirit, it only tears down and builds up resentment. But we are not criticizing a racial slur but rather a poorly worded statement that implies people might be better off as slaves and happy doing slave work. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In most cases comedians like Dave Chappelle (there are very few comedians like Dave Chappelle btw) use racial slurs to incite social commentary, as satire, and at times to be controversial. There are many ways to talk about race and there is a difference between what is and isn't productive or appropriate. I am never amazed that the PC police and the anything goes crowd have a hard time seeing the difference.

Cliven Bundy is not a comedian, nor was he trying to be.

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Bundy neither said that blacks might be better off

as slaves, nor did he imply it.

Yes he actually does.

After commenting about abortion and prison rates he says these things happen "...because they didn't learn how to pick cotton". The unedited video of the interview is available on youtube. Take a second and watch it :)

Most supporters of this guys statements would like to ignore that introductory statement that happens just before he begins to wonder about what kind of slavery is worse. If you are familiar with basic comprehension you would deduce that by suggesting first that the problems exist because they don't know how to pick cotton, it implies that he answered his own question in the following statement where he wonders what lifestyle would be best.

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I watched the video clip on the Bundy Ranch blog, not

the one in the media. Basic comprehension, eh? Understanding metaphor is part and parcel of basic comprehension. "Picking cotton" means learning how to work. He says they don't have anything to DO like they used to before the War on Poverty started up. Bundy's point was that blacks had trades back in the bad old days, they had something to DO, and their families were more normal instead of all splintered to doll rags like they are today, and they didn't kill off most of their children in the bad old days like they do now in the good old days. Is some ways their culture was better off in the bad old days than it is today. Walter Williams says the same thing. It's no great secret.

There's no need to preach "comprehension" to me. I know what he was saying, and he is right, and I'm not going to pick him apart for how he said it. There is no need for us here to go strutting around all hoity toity and sneery like we are better than Bundy, like we're oh so sophisticated and cool, don't you know, and like the the world had better realize it, and Bundy just stopped the whole world from turning and everything has hereby gone to the dogs forever. Waaaaaaa! Geeze Louise, how about WE concentrate on loving our neighbor as ourselves, and stop trying to rip them to shreds. That sort of behavior makes a person look really bad.

I have to disagree. How does

I have to disagree. How does his statement imply people might be better off as slaves? Huh? Please elaborate.

What he is saying is, slave A (the colonial slave doing slave work) may be a happier soul than slave B (the oppressed slave who has merely been granted an illusion of freedom). And he's not actually advancing this as a solid conclusion...he's simply "a-wondering" about it. Allow me to render down Bundy's thought process for all those who can't get past their own conditioned responses:

Since Slave A represents an atrocious set of conditions (on which we can surely all agree), what the hell does that tell us about slave B if Slave A is happier by comparison?

So his comments were self evident...

I am not arguing whether or not what he meant to say was truthful or not. We all can see what he said and what his clarification was after the fact. It doesn't take away the fact that the comments were idiotic and that is the entire point of all of this. Why even make the distinction.

Does Cliven Bundy realize that more white's utilize the welfare system than black's? Probably not. He didn't even consider that he too is one of these aforementioned welfare queens, speaking about what other people are doing because the grand majority of them are poor, own no property, and live in what amounts to hopeless communities.

Bundy is comparatively wealthy, has an estate and vast property, yet requires from people like me to subsidize his insatiable thirst to keep his American dream alive. Stop worshiping the man and carry the pure message.

What he said was foolish and will likely undo all the good momentum going for this cause. But wait it wasn't foolish because his comments were self evident. If you believe that then you are foolish too. How about this for an experiment. Walk outside right now, play the video being propagated by the media for the first 10 people you meet on the street, and record their reaction! Post the video here in response to my completely out of touch response.

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I am going to correct you.

I am going to correct you. His comments were not idiotic. I will grant his articulation was confusing and his self-censoring skills (i.e. a specific psyops foisted on the masses as a mechanism of control) are virtually non existent. This tells me that there is apparently a generation left not afflicted with the mediated training that has rendered the rest of us into domesticated automatons. In short, his words were not well chosen considering the reactions of the burgeoning Idiocracy conditioned to respond just as the propagandists and psyops masters intend them to respond. Pavlov would be proud.

I am going to correct you again. You are misinformed on the dynamic of taxation. You are not subsidizing Cliven Bundy. Every penny of your income extracted from you at gun-point via government shakedown is either a) funneled back to the banking cartel to service the government's debt, or b) extracted from the system so to temper inflation (think of this as a means of extraction to specifically manage the "slow leak" heist, siphoned deliberately and surely (but not too quickly) so the 99.99% won't be any the wiser nor understand they are also being looted from the back end. Just like steeling candy from a baby.

This isn't about blacks and whites and whose on welfare and whose not. This is about government oppression (which most people simply don't get) and a way to look at this form of oppression relative to a way EVERYBODY gets. Yes, it's offensive to some to get this slap in the face by a very simple old man with an innocent musing that suggests that perhaps we are all slaves, but it is what it is. This isn't brain surgery folks.

And, on your final point: of course the first 10 people will react in the manner you describe. Edward Bernays couldn't script it any better. That is the whole point of the narrative being played in the first place, evoking people to fall for it and setting into motion an unwitting army of masses to begin the puppet master's bidding by disseminating how idiotic this man is. Congratulations for signing onto the program.

Sure, more whites are on welfare than blacks,

because there is a much higher percentage of whites in the country than blacks, but the percentage of blacks on welfare is much higher than the percentage of whites.

Who is worshiping Bundy? The notion is ludicrous. This whole situation is not about him, but federal tyranny. Interesting that very recently a federal judge came down in favor of the Hage ranch, which is a similar situation to Bundy's, giving pause to the idea that Bundy is a deadbeat welfare queen.

Where in the OP....

does it say "all blacks"?

"Blacks" could mean some blacks. And the point is, we tolerate some blacks saying racist things. There is a double standard.

And he didn't say they'd be better off as slaves. He is comparing the slavery of old, with the current slavery of a welfare check.

Of course, all the forces align to support the growth of government and tyranny.

Yeap - It's the double standard that's the problem

and the infringement on free speech!

Most people don't know enough history to know that many different cultures have make valuable contributions to this country including African American, European Americans and Native Americans. Let's acknowledge the contritutions of all and move on.

A libertarian has the right to have an opinion and voice that opinion. They also have the right of association and disassociation as well as the right to have a bias, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.

Bundy doesn't seem racist

But it is not illegal to be racist.

Does that mean if someone doesn't think the same as me he deserves have his property stolen?

Chappell

did a dialog (paraphrasing) that he had gone to Africa for a couple of months. When he came back he told everyone that the black man should get down on his knees, crawl and kiss the feet of the white man for bringing him to America. He was serious.

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

I have seen that.

Serious or not, Chappell is a millionaire. Many blacks aren't so his perspective doesn't relate to a great majority of people (not just blacks). This is why many celebrities appear to be out of touch with the public when they make these kinds of statements.

Inner city youth being harassed by police because they are black for instance might have a completely different opinion about living in Africa and Chappelle knows this. Of course he doesn't have to live in a poverty and crime stricken area to make his "serious" comments.

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Chapelle grew up in DC fyi.

Now he lives on a farm in Ohio.

He's been everywhere else, and he was almost rich.

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I haven't heard that but I wouldn't be surprised.

One reason the Kings of Comedy are so funny, whether they are talking about blacks or whites, is because what they are saying is true.

The PC brainwashing on this topic just proves to the PTB, that with enough money and time, they can gradually make people stop thinking for themselves and accept almost anything.

???

"Blacks use racial slurs all the time." This is straight collectivism, instead of judging humans based on their behavior, you suggest that an entire race should be judged for something without any such evidence. Then you use a false analogy, comparing a comedian using the "N" word to a rancher saying slavery is better than welfare, and that blacks have no character because they don't "pick cotton." I'm sorry but what this guy said is racist, it implies that all the "blacks" are good for is picking cotton and being slaves, they just fuck up with their freedom and mooch on welfare. Never does Bundy mention the racist drug war, the racist police, the racist prison system, the racist death penalty, I could go on. So when you say that all Bundy did was say a word that is "historical" you leave out the fact that he also comes off as a racist because he basically said blacks were better off when they were controlled by whites. If that's the message you want to send go ahead, but I refuse to accept this bullshit argument about black people. It's not true. It's collectivism. It's wrong.

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The cheese stands alone. The proof is in the pudding.

You can actually say whatever you want

Just don't expect everyone to love you like Dave Chapelle if you are using racial terms.

For those of you who haven't heard his ENTIRE speech

Here it is without the editing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI

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Dave Chappelle is back. sweet! oh, and Bernie Mac is dead.

Were you really just pulling black names out of the 'air' right now?

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Nope, they are for real

and frankly I find them a hell of a lot funnier and more entertaining than most white comedians, (with the possible exception of Cobert).

If you like hard down black humor, listen to the Kings of Comedy! Hilarious even when they talk about white people in disparaging ways. Why, because it's usually true.

The Blue Collar guys, patterned themselves after the Kings but they don't have the equal opportunity to reciprocate with black humor, nope, we can't have that sort of freedom of speech!

The blue collar guys were

The blue collar guys were self censoring for profit, not because they couldn't say what they wanted.

You are right, they knew it would hurt

their popularity and money. But listen to the Kings of Comedy and just think how funny it would be if the Blue Collar guys could reciprocate with humor about blacks. I bet it would be hilarious, controversial and wildly popular!

When we get to where we can laugh at our differences, then you know you are not a racist!

+10

When we get to where we can laugh at our differences, then you know you are not a racist!

I don't judge people by their race, but I do see it. I'm not blind.

To try to be "color blind" must give people one hell of a headache.

Poor Mr. Bundy uses language and concepts that were crafted in a bygone era, but he's not a racist.

Just open the box and see

well unfortunately

it wasnt just the word he used, it was the concepts he was talking about. I'm pretty tolerantt of racial talk and i think he crossed the line.

Listen to the Kings of Comedy

these black's (who I think are super performers), went around the country for years making fun of white people.

If they are entitled to their opinion, isn't Bundy entitled to his?

When the libertarians of this country cow down to the thoughtless propoganda of political correctness, you know we are in trouble!

I find it funny of course the

I find it funny of course the race card is thrown at him just as all the momentum was building in support of Clive Bundy. Even if he's a racist it still doesnt change the fact that what the BLM did was outright wrong. He did however screw up in court with the land disputes and grazing rights as Judge Napolitono said. Nobody knows the details yet of how things got to where they are now as of yet. My dad whose a liberal democrat is already freaking out about the comments and thinks that somehow makes him look less credible.

Now if you support Bundy, you

Now if you support Bundy, you are a racist by association. Simple meme to spread, especially because by calling others a racist, you can feel morally superior.

Standard operating proceedure.

Remember when Ron Paul was gaining momentum, the old race card is the stand by go to attack. It will be used against Rand as well.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

When a black or white individual does something wrong, they do wrong as an individual.

When you condem a whole group based on skin color for what a few of them do, it is racist.

Not every black person uses the N word, and not everyone of them is a gangsta rapper. Would you condem all white people as racists and offer up a few idiot skinheads as justification for doing so?

who did he harm or hurt?

He made a broad statement based on his life experience. He wasn't calling anyone specifically out or hating on any person.

As far as the condemning all white people as racists, I think MOST ( uh oh broad statement ) are so scared to be considered racist they go above and beyond showing how non racist they are. It reminds me of the movies when a black guy shows up and for the white guy to fit in he needs to make sure to bring up how he has A black friend LOL.

This world is so PC its just laughable these days. Hell, any so called racists that I have ever met or knew just ran their mouths among other white guys but anytime in public they wouldn't dare. I found it funny/sad all at the same time but they were just words as far as I am concerned.

Are there skinheads who are racist who actually go out and commit hate crimes? Of course but even among a bunch of skinheads most are all talk. How many skinhead or white on black crimes are in the news or happening lately? How many black on white crimes are in the news or happening lately?

I don't care about the GROUP VIEWS of different types of people because once a crime is committed it is a specific persons crime and not an entire group. One thing though is the fact that there are far more young black kids/young adults who commit crimes than young white kids. Is that a racist statement or just stating facts? Could they be shooting and stealing due to their current situation or is it something else? And does the above statement mean that ALL black youth commit crimes? Of course not but the stats are the stats and anytime there IS a white on minority attack/assault it is broadcasted EVERYWHERE.

The only recent boost in showing black on white attacks was during that knockout game media blitz but that sort of stuff happens all the time. As well as minority on minority crimes. The white guys however are known for crazy single shooter attacks, serial killing and bombings but lately with the ptsd and pharma-ttacks being done by other races who knows who will take the lead in those either.

The media uses stuff like this because it WORKS.

If we really want to get into the real slavery and atrocities that have happened in American history why don't we just all leave and give the land back to the indians and anyone who might have come here first.

We totally removed them from the country but allowed them small spots to setup casinos and get free fishing/hunting licenses. No one cares about what happened to them but some old white guy says negro and cotton in the same statement and all hell needs to break loose.

As far as I know he isn't going around committing hate crimes or harming non white people. I am sure he even has brown and black cattle so how racist can he really be (-;

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Excellent tirade my man!

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You've clearly misunderstood.

The controversy isn't that Cliven Bundy said "negro." It's that he said, paraphrasing:

Negros in the city just sit around being unhappy because they never learned how to pick cotton. I sometimes wonder if the negro was happier as a slave (on a farm doing slave labor work for free, under threat of being tortured or hanged dead) because at least they had all their family there, growing their turnips.

Why is this such a

Why is this such a controversial thing to say? Are we such conditioned automatons that we are only capable of reading into any comment exactly what social engineers have programed in us to read? Is there no independent thought left?

I ask all who think this is such a controversial statement: is curiosity a crime? Nowhere in this statement is Cliven Bundy condoning slavery. Nowhere. No matter how hard I try to align my thought process with those hopelessly afflicted with very sophisticated operant conditioning masquerading as political correctness, I can't draw anything offensive out of this statement. Bundy is merely pondering a very simple concept: who is more enslaved in mind and spirit? 19th century blacks under the yolk of colonial slavery, or 21st century blacks under the yolk of tyrannical government? One can come to there own conclusions, but regardless, I think it's a perfectly valid thing to wonder about. And no, it's most certainly not a racist thing to ponder, unless of course one broaches the question with the intelligence of a turnip.

Of course, Cliven Bundy is not all that articulate, nor does he have a knack for oration. He would have surely impressed all the pseudo-intellectuals skewering him as a bitter racist if only would have organized his thoughts more in line with the championed German philosopher, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (who so happened to wonder about the exact same thing, but who instead is celebrated for it and is immortalized by a very famous and lasting quotation on the subject). I dare say Goethe has even answered what Mr. Bundy is a-wondering about. He takes it a step further and actually solves Mr. Bundy's curiosity in the eloquence of thirteen words:

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free...

Well Said!

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I heard him explain today that his central point

was to compare the social policies of the Federal Gov. today with the condition of slavery.

There have been many enslaven people through out history, (including the twelve tribes of Jacob who's name was later changed to Israel). However, at some point, after all of the slave holders, the slaves and those who where neither have passed on, you have to let it go.

People alive today are not responsible for what happen 150 years ago to some people they don't even know.

They also rap

about killing each other.

Proof that racist social engineering works

On several levels. "They"