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[–]IIFooFighterII -4ポイント-3ポイント  (58子コメント)

I feel Bernies political and economic views are far mor similar to National-Socialism than Trumps. Edit: Hitler stole from the ethnic minorities and supported German interests. Bernie plans on stealing from business and supporting working peoples intrests. Both are taxation (theft) through violent force backed by "American" nationalism. Never said they were the same, just similar. I still hold views that all government is inherently evil. Calling it "democratic" doesnt make it any better. The government's boots crack down on us all in different ways and all major candidates will keep the status quo. I support less government and deffinatly no major candidate.

[–]my_name_is_worse 68ポイント69ポイント  (12子コメント)

If you believe "National Socialist" has anything to do with "Socialist", then you have no idea what you're talking about.

[–]KID_LIFE_CRISIS 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nazis were socialist in the same way that cat food is made out of cats

[–]Buzzed_Aldrin 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

As a guy who doesn't follow Nazi-ism too closely, can you explain the differences to me? [Serious]

(Genocide parts aside, of course.)

Edit: Anybody? Looks like /u/my_name_is_worse can only explain with a downvote...

Didn't Germany nationalize a bunch of industries "for the good of (some of) the German people"? Isn't that one of the major ideas behind socialism?

[–]my_name_is_worse [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Erm I didn't downvote you. I don't have time to explain it right now, but I would suggest wikipedia.

[–]Buzzed_Aldrin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Was just coincidental timing, then.

So no explanation?

Directly from Wikipedia:

"The National Socialist Program, adopted in 1920, called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalization of some industries."

That last part sounds a lot like socialism to me. How can you say National Socialism has nothing in common in with socialism?

[–]rmwe [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Go to wikipedia, read about Fascism, and then read about Socialism. It is the most efficient way for you to get the differences explained.

[–]Buzzed_Aldrin [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Don't you think I already did that? The nationalization of business is the root of my confusion.

I don't think one can truthfully say that National Socialism and regular socialism have nothing in common...

[–]rmwe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You must have simply skimmed the articles:

Generally speaking, Nazi theorists and politicians blamed Germany’s previous economic failures on political causes like the influence of Marxism on the workforce, the sinister and exploitative machinations of what they called international Jewry, and the vindictiveness of the western political leaders ‘war reparation’ demands.

In 1930, Hitler said: "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."[198] In 1942, Hitler privately said: "I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative".[199]

Nazi economic policy revolved completely around making sure racially pure people had good jobs or land, the ability to make war, and making sure private enterprise was in the hands of Germans. There were many racially targeted social programs, and much seizure of internationally owned and jewish owned enterprise. This is so different than any kind of democratic socialism that its hard to even know where to start.

[–]Buzzed_Aldrin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I feel dirty, as if I'm defending Nazi-ism here, but:

hard to even know where to start.

Why not start at the root definition of socialism?

"A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

To this end a socialist country will nationalize businesses - replacing private ownership with public ownership. That's exactly what German National Socialists did in the 1930s.

I get it that Marxists and Nazis weren't exactly good friends, but that root idea of community owned and regulated industry is certainly present in both philosophies.

That alone, I believe, is enough to prevent one from saying that National Socialism and regular socialism have nothing in common.

[–]dracht [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you say that with such confidence and condescension, people will assume it's true. In reality though, as the name implies, national socialism is indeed a form of socialism - one infused with nationalist ideas.

[–]Danyboii [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Here is a very good read on why they were socialist.

https://www.mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

[–]mwjk13 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

mises, lmao

[–]rammingparu2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Please read the source instead of laughing it off because you are afraid of being proven wrong lol

[–]rustyshacklefordrsw 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are very mistaken about the views of the nazi party if that is the case.

[–]faghater4life 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Chapter 2 of Mein Kampf is literally devoted to destroying Jewish Social democrats. But don't believe the memes. There is no call for genocide in Mein Kampf.

National Socialism is the opposite of Democratic Socialism. Socialism in DemSoc comes from Marxism. Socialism in NatSoc comes from Prussian Socialism, which is more or less nationalism.

[–]marin1111 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

well the soviet system was international socialism - it was genocide at a much bigger scale and everybody was welcomed ... it doesn't matter what words you put in front of it or after ... Socialism means gov regulates everything, and it grows until it collapses ... Marx was a fan genocide, he wanted the slavs, brits and basques exterminated ... he though Poland should be wiped from history, there's no example in history of an all powerful gov not falling apart or not following a regime change ...

[–]dmintz 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

explain??

[–]sam__izdat 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

can't – just learned the full name of the nazi party yesterday and thinks he's being really clever by calling germany's anti-socialist reactionary movement "socialist"

[–]whoisroymillerblwing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why even ask? lol

What kind of reasonable answer could you expect from such a thought?

[–]desous 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

You're absolutely wrong, then. What even moderately true similarities could you draw between the two? Hitler was not at all a socialist, that was just the name of his party; the demagoguery and nationalistic sentiment of Trump and Hitler are eerily similar.

[–]bloodraven42 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah seriously. Political opinions of either candidate aside, Hitler fucking hated socialists and communists. Almost more than he hated Jewish people.

Fascism is a hyper-nationalistic far right movement too, so even further away from Sanders, unless having a close political ideology to Hitler literally just means your political opinions share one word.

[–]midgetman433 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What even moderately true similarities could you draw between the two?

fuccbois think just b/c the word socialist is in the classification, clearly they must be left wing socialists, by that logic north korea and every other "people's democratic republics" should be democracies.

[–]CommaHoarder [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

  1. We demand the union of all Germans in a great germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples. Neither

  2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the peace treaties of versailles and st. germain shall be abrogated. Neither

  3. De demand land and territory for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population. Neither

  4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no jew can be a countryman. Trump-ish

  5. Those who are not citizens must live in germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens. Trump-ish

  6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the state shall belong only to citizens..." Trump

  7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possiblity of living decently and earning a livelihood. if it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens must be expelled from the Reich. Sanders - finishes with Trump

  8. "Any futher immigration of nongermans must be prevented..." Trump as fuck

  9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties. neither

  10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all. SJWs

  11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished. Bernie-ish

  12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. Sander-ish

  13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts. Sanders-ish

  14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries. Sanders-ish

  15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions. Not sure the individual stances of each

  16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class..." both

  17. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. don't know

  18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare, eg traitors, usurers PROFITEERS, etc. Bernie and his 1%ers

  19. Roman law be replaced with German law. neither

  20. State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system (to allow all capable German's to obtain higher education). Bernie as Fuck

  21. The state has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, etc. Both, more towards Bernie

  22. Abolish regular army, create national folk army. neither

  23. Demand there be legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies. Extremists on both sides / SJWs

  24. Freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend. Both, with trump stating Islam does endanger its existence.

In conclusion, No Trump is not hitler. No bernie is not hilter...but Those are some similarities between all three.

[–]trulyniceguy -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

And this is your completely unbiased opinion?

[–]snorting_dandelions [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Please go read the actual definitions of socialism and national-socialism.

[–]desous [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nope, I'm not at all unbiased. No one really is, but anyone who thinks Hitler was a socialist is a fucking idiot.

[–]alanwashere2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah. That anti-war Jew totally reminds me of Hitler.

[–]whydidilookthatup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In other news, bears shit in the woods.

[–]Petorie -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because you're an idiot :)

[–]xereeto [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If you think National Socialism has anything at all to do with actual socialism... oh wow. The Nazis were about as far right as you could get. Hitler hated socialists.

[–]stinkadickbig [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, the Nazis weren't very right-wing at all. Totalitarian, sure, but that does not equal right. See: Any Communist country.