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What's a Wehraboo?

For the sub's purposes a Wehraboo is defined as someone with an exaggerated or sanitized view of Nazi Germany's accomplishments or conduct before and during WW2. This could be:

An overly generous take on Nazi Germany's military, such as "10 Shermans to 1 Panther," "astonishing Nazi scientists advanced human civilization by a century," vaguely homoerotic obsession with dashing German soldiers in their Hugo Boss™ uniforms, and downplaying of major faults with the German military's tactics, strategy, and technology or offering excuses for its failures ("if only Hitler listened to his generals").

Whitewashing or downplaying the crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Wehrmacht and SS in the field, as well as tu quoque arguments to establish false moral equivalency between allied war crimes and the holocaust ("Babi Yar was bad, but the allies bombed Dresden, so everyone's guilty!")

Exaggerating the accomplishments of the Nazis and Hitler as government administrators, i.e. Hitler miraculously fixed the economy, the Nazis discouraged smoking, the Nazis believed in animal rights, Nazis eliminated crime, etc.

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"Holy shit, that sub is hilarious. All the self-righteousness and hatred of SRS, but focused on an even more obscure and less real thing to bitch about."

"That sub is fucking disgusting. They are mocking the deaths of innocent Germans."

"Jesus, so acknowledging that Nazi Germany had some advanced technology and was a super power now qualifies for that sub? It's a known fact that a lot of German technology was far superior than the rest of the world"

"Humanization of combatants? Brace yourself for /r/ShitWehraboosSay you evil nazi!"

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I have a confession to make. (self.ShitWehraboosSay)

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I actually like the Tiger I.

I think it was an effective weapon for a little while when it was introduced.

I like the way it looks, and I always have.

I've got a good bit of respect for this tank due to when it was first introduced. It had thickish frontal armor, a damned good gun, and was probably legitimately scary to go up against in an early Sherman or T-34 before being upgunned.

But keep in mind, this is all for it's time. By the end of the war it was terribly outdated and armored warfare evolved past it's shortcomings and it was really let down. But I still think it was better than the P.O.S. Panther or Tiger II, which is kinda like saying 'Oh goodie, I've got herpes, the best of the sexually transmitted diseases.' Don't get me wrong, it was still very unreliable and a terrible idea to produce for a country that had it's back against the wall and was running pretty low on resources, so I'm not a full Wehraboo on the matter, but I think sometimes we hit it a bit too hard judging it against late-war tanks, when it's an older design from 1942 that didn't have the advantage of adaptability that those tanks did. This doesn't really help it's case for the whole war, just from 1942 to about 1944 when the Easy 8s and '34-85s came to counter it reliably (The baseline 75 M4 and 76 '34 could still hurt it from the sides and rear pretty easily, so it wasn't really invincible to them either, just tough to crack from the front.)

I can also see where some of the stories of a Tiger holding up a group of Shermans might come from, as a Tiger in a favorable situation and environment without suffering any mechanical problems could be a force to be reckoned with. But then we've got situations like in Italy where a Sherman ambushed a group of Tigers from behind and blew 'em to hell, so I take every one of these 'kill counts' with a grain of salt.

It's kinda like the M3 Lee (In North Africa, not when Russia got them a little too late.) - great for the time, terrible for the rest of the war. But again, THIS DOES NOT MAKE IT A GOOD TANK, NOR AM I SAYING IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ONE. Especially against it's domestic competition. Yeesh. At least in the modern day we can keep one of these things actually running, unlike some other German tanks...

So I guess I'm about 1/100th Wehraboo when it comes to the Tiger. I am ashamed and I am sorry. I will pray to saint Patton every night before bedtime to overcome this crisis of faith.

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