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[–]MidwestDrummer 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey guys, this is nothing to get your panties in a twist over.

[–]kotojo 19ポイント20ポイント  (26子コメント)

I am in some development slack channels that have a bot set to subtlety remind you not to use guys or girls, or any variation on that. I thought it was kinda odd at first, because I never thought I was bothering anyone. Guys is mostly used as a gender neutral term around here, but to many of the female developers they felt segregated by the language used to address everyone.

I asked a couple of other girls I knew in person about it and they said that they would never bring it up actively because they don't want to bother someone, but that they would prefer gender neutral language.

Plus all I had to do was change one word I used on a day to day basis, which in no way effected my life, and made some other people feel more comfortable.

[–]MisterMescudi 6ポイント7ポイント  (23子コメント)

How do you casually address more than one person? The only thing I can think of is the southern equivalent of "you guys": y'all.

[–]upspeak 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

There's not one alternative that feels right to me for all the places you might use 'guys', but one of these will probably do the trick:

  • everybody
  • everyone
  • people
  • team
  • folks
  • gang
  • (nothing at all)

[–]HuskerDave 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hello congress of my peers!

[–]phroug2 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]upspeak -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha! Yeah, that's one place it doesn't feel right to me. It feels better as an alternative to 'guys' in phrases like:

"Get the guys from accounting down here."

"Get everyone from accounting down here."

[–]socializm_forda_ppl 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've noticed a lot of people in academia switch to 'you all' not as slick as y'all, but I get why people don't want to use y'all

[–]kotojo 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

Y'all works. Also "Everyone", "People", "Gang", "Team", "Friends", "Folks" are things I use depending upon the situation. Also one thing for me was just omitting the use of it.

"Get the guys from UX on the phone" vs "Get UX on the phone."

[–]MisterMescudi -5ポイント-4ポイント  (9子コメント)

People, gang, team, friends, and folks makes you sound like a geek. I wouldn't use that around people that I wasn't absolutely comfortable with.

"Everyone" isn't bad, but it's still weird to me. The real question is why are you changing your verbiage to please somebody?

[–]kotojo 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

At least in the development community we are already mostly white males, and if we can make one change to how we interact to make an entire sex more comfortable in our community I have no issue with it. I like programming and the more open we can make our community the happier I am.

[–]flibbidygibbit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get the feeling that HP's base in the Bay Area was only part of the digital revolution. NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Austin, Los Angeles, etc. easily had the talent needed to build up something like the Silicon Valley.

The missing piece was the open-mindedness of the people who were living in the SFBA in the 1970s.

[–]upspeak 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

The real question is why are you changing your verbiage to please somebody?

On the flip side:

"The real question is why aren't you changing your verbiage to avoid excluding someone?"

'Guys' sounds right to me, but if it makes some people feel less welcome, I'd rather use another word.

[–]MisterMescudi -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think it's right to change JUST to please someone else. Instead, I choose not to be around people who are offended by me using the phrase "you guys".

Edit: To clarify, I believe there are some words (e.g. "retarded", "faggot") that should not be said. However, we have to draw the line somewhere and admit that this PC trend has gone far enough.

[–]Smutteringplib 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

And I choose not to be around people who are offended by signs at a college, they're just such special snowflakes.

[–]Lord_Galahad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Instead, I choose not to be around people who are offended by me using the phrase "you guys".

You don't always get to choose who you work with.

[–]Lord_Galahad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The real question is why are you changing your verbiage to please somebody?

If you can EASILY make a change that is pretty minor but will make someone else more comfortable, why wouldn't you want to?

[–]Lord_Galahad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"everyone"

"folks" (maybe that's too old-sounding though)

[–]Lord_Galahad 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus all I had to do was change one word I used on a day to day basis, which in no way effected my life, and made some other people feel more comfortable.

This is the answer. It's not a huge deal to them, but it's a very easy way that you can make them feel more comfortable, which is bound to have benefits for you (if you're looking at it from a purely selfish perspective) in the workplace.

[–]Lord_Galahad 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

Can political correctness go too far? Of course it can...anything can be taken to an extreme that makes it a negative.

Having said that, this sign isn't that. This sign shows an aspect of political correctness that is simply being good to one another. If someone prefers not to be referred to in a certain manner, don't refer to them that way. Some females won't mind being called "guys" when they're in a group, but some will. Be cognizant of those who are bothered by it and, perhaps, consider your choice of words when you're referring to a group that contains folks who you're not familiar with, to avoid unintentionally putting them off.

It has nothing to do with "special snowflakes" or any other such bullshit. It has to do with treating people the way you'd like to be treated yourself. Have consideration.

[–]itsyourgrandma 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pc principal is that you

[–]Ilikebigmacs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If someone gets offended at that, chances are I wouldn't want to talk to them anyway.

[–]r_u_dinkleberg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congratulations. I don't think I've ever seen a post in /r/lincoln exceed 100 comments.

You officially win the "Stainless Steel Shit Stirrer" award. You done stirred the shit pot real good. Jimmies rustled everywhere.

[–]akaRoger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ITT: The ridiculous shit-show that is the hard left vs the hard right. Be warned, nothing of great intelligence lies within.

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    [–]Andyk123 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'll take "Really Stupid Analogies That Don't Work" for $100, Alex

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      [–]FondabaruCBR4_6RSAWD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lol I've seen these around campus too but this one is especially bullshit.

      [–]Smutteringplib 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hey girl, you're being pretty sensitive about this. Do you wanna talk about it?

      [–]XA36 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      This person would lose their overly sensitive minds if they knew Spanish always defaulted to the masculine. Is speaking Spanish sexist?

      [–]upspeak 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You might be interested to know that there are movements afoot to make Romance languages less gender-specific.

      Here's one example, from France:

      French feminists demonstrated in Paris calling on authorities to change French grammar. They say grammar rules convey sexist ideologies and should be reformed.

      Here's another example, in Spanish.

      Romance languages don't have grammatically gender-neutral nouns, so there's a lot more work for them to do if they want to erase grammatical gender in their languages. Luckily for English speakers, our nouns are mostly gender-neutral already.

      In the context of this thread, there are lots of ways to replace 'guys' already present in everyday English, if we want to. Your call.

      [–]HuskerDave -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

      And here I was thinking Nebraska was immune to Tumblr.

      [–]XA36 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Not often I'm ashamed of my own state, but here I sit watching people argue that saying "Hey guys!" is hate speech...

      [–]Lord_Galahad 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Where did anyone suggest it was hate speech?

      Jesus, get the chip off of YOUR shoulder...maybe it will help you to look around and see the world for what it is instead of what you've made it up to be.

      [–]XA36 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Obviously disagreeing with you makes me delusional. Do you feel the need to reply to every one of my comments?

      [–]Lord_Galahad 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Obviously disagreeing with you makes me delusional.

      You're the one creating context that isn't there.

      [–]XA36 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You're the one creating context that isn't there.

      You mean like implying someone saying "Good morning guys!" as they walk in the office is perpetuating sexism?

      [–]Lord_Galahad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No, because that's not what you said. You made the claim that someone was saying it was hate speech, a far different thing.

      [–]thechickenfucker -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      For fucks sake. Ok here is what everyone needs to do. Guys lop off your dangly bits and gals putty up your front hole and we'll all be good.

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        [–]upspeak 1ポイント2ポイント  (48子コメント)

        That's hilarious, but you forgot the '/s'.

        Edit: /u/jak80, you accuse people of being 'pussies', then delete your comment when someone calls you on your bs. I thought there was a chance you'd delete your comment, so I made a screen cap. Here you go:

        http://imgur.com/D8G3hL6

        [–]shellwe 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Good on you for capturing it, that should totally be a thing.

        [–]upspeak 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

        It's not something I'd normally do, but it just felt so hypocritical that I had to call it out. I probably should have just ignored it though, and let /u/jak80 move on to a different thread.

        [–]shellwe 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Nope, I like it.

        [–]Cainnech 0ポイント1ポイント  (40子コメント)

        Dude's one of those "all lives matter" racists. Figures.

        [–]jak80 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I meant to post this here, not reply to a message.

        cool story bro. thank you.

        I thought I would take the opportunity to fade into the shadows as this is not my kind of party. But, you are proving a point. Kudos.

        Black lives matter. Feminism is a valuable viewpoint. Mike Brown was murdered! We all must be sensitive to be inclusive to everyone even at the expense of the privileged white males! I should take my micro-agressions elsewhere, or else I will upset the hive mind.

        'Pussies' was meant in the spirit of the overall conversation, in the sense that we have taken such a step in 'political correctness' that we are arguing to not use the generic term 'guys' because it is a deliberate slight to women. I am sorry if you missed the nuance and the term 'pussies' resonated with you. I guess that it was a deliberate trigger. My bad. You are a powerful social justice warrior, and I should know better than to comment where you can call me out. /S

        [–]upspeak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Stand by what you say or take it back, but don't slink away. That's my point.