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[–]troll is back boystrollin4viki 32ポイント33ポイント  (44子コメント)

Thorin said that Poland is a 3rd world country withouth runing water (or something like that). After that he was never seen in our country ever again.

[–]Geofferic -4ポイント-3ポイント  (17子コメント)

This is what he said: http://www.esportsheaven.com/news/64245/thorin-from-unfiltered-to-unemployed

And while it's harsh, it's almost 100% true. Poland is a backwards, racist place with a shit economy that the average Polish person is desperate to escape. That's why Poland's population has continuously dropped for the last 70 years.

That's not an exaggeration, either. That's a fact.

2 million young Polish people immediately left the country when Poland joined the EU, and the exodus has continued since.

So you can say Thorin wasn't nice about Poland, but what he said was a fact.

The virulent racism isn't something from the distant past, either. It's every fucking day. The third most important political "party" in Poland is Kukiz'15, which is so fucking backwards that they want to return to a first past the post system (unbelievable) and most members are also members of National Movement - a literally racist, Fascist political party aligned with Jobbik of all scum.

Poland is not a 3rd world country, because most 3rd world countries aren't as backwards and fucking awful as Poland.

[–]'MON THE SHARKS!DundonianStalin 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

Poland is not a 3rd world country, because most 3rd world countries aren't as backwards and fucking awful as Poland.

You have absolutely no idea what a 3rd world country is or how far Poland is from one.

[–]I_POTATO_PEOPLE 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well the first part of that population drop was genocide. But after that, sure.

[–]FUCK YOUJ MR.LIZARDI_hate_captchas1 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

You have no idea what a 3rd world country is like, and I lived in several.

As far as economic and other social development indicators go, Poland is doing not too bad. Pretty much considered a developed country according to many of the indicators. Poland may be behind some Western European nations, but they're doing ok.

[–]eineajern 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Poland is not a 3rd world country, because most 3rd world countries aren't as backwards and fucking awful as Poland.

I disagree. If you are talking about being backwards and awful, Clearly you haven't spent more time in a 3rd world country.

Why do you think 3rd world countries are in third world after all?

[–]UtterlyRelevant 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Polands economy is barely ''shit''

According to a quick google their GDP is superior to a number of countries in Europe, including that of Norway, and Belgium - which are barely ''Third world''.

This isn't to say your last point is entirely wrong - I know little about the actual political organisation there - at least recently, I could tell you about Poland in the cold war, but that's not really relevant here. I don't know if their dominant parties are occupied by fascists.

That last statement also just demonstrates unbelievable privilege, if you actually think poland is worse than a third world country. .

[–]it's a miraclevirtualghost 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

you have no idea what you're talking about, poland is one of the only countries i'd live in currently in europe. i see a brighter future for poland than for western EU

[–]jret663 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

True or not, but this is too cruel and unacceptable.

[–]Geofferic -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Think about what you are saying.

If it's true, it's not cruel. It's true. Could it have been said nicer?

Possibly, but how do you nicely say that Poland is a country filled with racist that just a few years ago had a riot that destroyed some 40% of the property belonging to the Romani people? How do you nicely say that young Polish people would rather be plumbers in England than go to university in Poland? What's the nice way to say that despite year over year growth in GDP (yay!) Poland is still rocking a 10% unemployment rate that is absolutely under-reported?

There is no way to nicely say these things.

[–]SirJacobTehgamarh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is 10% unemployment rate in poland unde-rreported, or really that relevant when talking whether it's a 3rd world country?

[–]Zankman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's a lie.

[–]zunnyhh 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well, its technically not a 3rd world country, as they are in NATO

" The term Third World arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO, or the Communist Bloc."

[–]commenter_on_reddit 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ah Switzerland, most 3rd world country of them all.

[–]zunnyhh 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You're mixing up 3rd world country and Developing Nations.

[–]commenter_on_reddit 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I dunno, Switzerland looks pretty developed to me.

[–]zunnyhh 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're not getting it. Switzerland is/was considerd a 3rd world nations because it isn't allied with NATO/US, not because of economic status. A poor country is a developing nation, not a 3rd world nation.

Common mistake.

Edit: Its not even a relevant term anymore, as this was somthing that was occuring during the Cold war era.

[–]commenter_on_reddit 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bro, the term "3rd world" has been used outside of academia to refer to a poor nation (also called least developed or global south) for 20+ years. In the context of Chinese politics (relevant since this is a thread for the goddamn SHANGHAI MAJOR DOTA TOURNAMENT) Mao had a 3 world model of the poltical system where he identified 1st world as superpowers (at the time US and USSR), 2nd world as lesser powers, and 3rd world as exploited nations. Get your Western-centric head out your ass, plox.

You want to talk political science and the relevance of that wankery to everyday life? I'm your man. But this is not the place for it. This is /r/dota2 and your pedantry is less relevant and interesting here than a Leafeater guide or a Nerfnow comic.

[–]The long years have been kindBenramin567 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

1st world: Allied with USA

2nd world: Allied with Soviet

3rd world: Allied with none

Sweden is a fucking 3rd world country, how is it an insult?

[–]comfort_eagle 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not sure if you're joking or literally just came here from the past, but that's not what third world country means anymore.

[–]The long years have been kindBenramin567 -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wikipedia article.

[–]OmniscientOctopode 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Over the last few decades since the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, the term Third World has been used interchangeably with the least developed countries, the Global South, and developing countries to describe poorer countries that have struggled to attain steady economic development, a term that often includes "Second World" countries like Laos.

The only people that still use the term "Third World" to refer to countries that didn't choose a side in the Cold War are people who are writing about the Cold War, people who think we're still in the Cold War, and pedants.

[–]The long years have been kindBenramin567 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sooo, what is third world refering to then?

[–]OmniscientOctopode 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's a derogatory term for developing countries. In the context of Thorin, he was saying that Poland is generally a shittier place to live than Western Europe.

[–]The long years have been kindBenramin567 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a shitty use of that term then. A developing country is called a developing country.

[–]OmniscientOctopode 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. No serious academic uses third world to describe developing countries anymore, but it'll probably take a while for the rest of society to catch up.

[–]eineajern -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thorin said that Poland is a 3rd world country withouth runing water (or something like that).

If Poland is a 3rd world country, I wonder what what number my country (Philippines) belongs to.