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[–]somenbjornBritainOp's Scheißposter of the Month 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Context seriously needed.

Just looking at stats found at Archive Awareness I need to see the context to understand why he is claiming that. Now data is done differently, I didn't find any single test for the 76mm M1 on the same table as the others. Only found an american document about Yugoslavian M1s and then the Soviet testing for the rest. So M1 might very well be off by several mm. Shots are at 0 degrees and at 1000m.

M1 76mm: APC 109mm penetration, HVAP 178mm. Exit velocity is 792 m/s and 1036m/s respectively.

US 90mm: APC 147mm, HVAP 252mm. Velocity is 854m/s and 1167m/s

85mm D-5/S-53: (T-34-85) (Ammunition type was not specified) 102mm, 800m/s

88mm L56 (Tiger)

103mm, 810m/s

Panther 75mm L70

114mm, 1000m/s

So he isn't refering to penetration power, except the 90mm and the 75mm on the Panther all are practically in the same ballpark.

Or does Zaloga give different penetration stats?

For the Murrican guns For Stalin-Stahl and Kruppstahl

[–]MaxRavenclawIn reality, most tank battles took place at ranges over 2km![S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, what I can tell you is that the 76mm firing APCBC can pen the Tiger I at about the same range an 85mm APBC can, so maybe HE power? The 76mm affirmations could be taken as valid, but it's the 90mm that gets to me. The 90mm was better than the 17 pounder and 88mm KwK 36 in pretty much every way...

[–]Magnavoxx 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, that's like his opinion, man...

Don't know why he's bringing up the 85mm as superior, though. They were pretty much on par with each other when it came to penetration.

My opinion is that there is more to a gun/tank combo than just penetration figures, and I think the T23 turret w/ M1 gun mount is superior to most others. Not that surprising that it was a balanced, thought through option, as they took their sweet time to perfect it.

The Panther's gun mount was especially imbalanced with the excessively long barrel and lack of bustle. It had pneumatic assistance for the elevation and if that broke it became pretty difficult to hand crank (see the French reports), also traverse was impossible on very uneven ground which also points to a very imbalanced turret in the turn axis orientation.

One can also note the lack of post-war designs with the long barrels that the Germans were so fond of. 70 and 71 calibers for the KwK 42 and 43 respectively hasn't been on a tank since that I can think of. Nobody seems to want that, so I don't know what the complaint is, really.

[–]MaxRavenclawIn reality, most tank battles took place at ranges over 2km![S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah... I was kind of taken aback when I read it.

[–]pitaenigma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I recognize some of these weapons!