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Questions about Theosophy and Hatha Yoga (self.hinduism)

Ominous_Numinosity が 投稿

If anyone knows the answer I'll be grateful ,

I met one of the leaders in the Canadian theosophy movement and he started me off suggesting to read Yamas And Niyamas and At the Feet of the Master by Jiddu Krishnamurti

In the past I've had psychosis relating to energy work whereby I was also able to psychically vampirize others ... (hold your animosity) as a University student looked up what this was in the context of yoga and found a great writer named David Gordon White, author of Sinister Yogis . He lays out textual evidence that psychic vampirism performed by yogis is a means of purification. This is a great lecture with him and a podcast . I've since disavowed myself from those who taught me for many reasons I won't get into here.

We spoke a bit him and I (the theosophy guy) about yoga and he told me kundalini energy makes you crazy, and I agree with him on this. However, that doesn't change that currently my root chakra is frequently blown out and I still have sensations since disavowing myself, and frankly I don't know what to do besides do more yoga . But I want to do the right kind of yoga that gives me similar results because I seem to be stuck in the same boat .

My question is, in giving me these books what exactly can I expect from hatha yoga.

and any advice you have . I'm a poor student and don't really want to pay for yoga classes especially any involving exercises. In the history of yoga exercises were not always present. I'm open to suggestions about yoga in Montreal that is feasible for me . The Theosophy guy did mention that there will be no physical exercises so we agree on that.

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[–]SwadhisthanaShaktaa 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

To the other readers of this sub-reddit: This poster shows up every now and then and has some severe issues with people "vampirizing his root chakra energy". I can't find the original post (It's been over a year since they last posted.)

OP: Hatha Yoga is not your enemy. Kundalini Shakti is a gift the Divine Mother. I wish you well, and I hope you get the help you need. At least you are in Canada, where there is some compassion regarding healthcare.

loka samasta sukhino bhavantu

aum shanti shanti shantih...

[–]shannondoahAgnostic 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know. His original alt was u/Starry_numinousness (which he deleted).

/u/Ominous_numinosity loves to see vampirism everywhere.

[–]Ominous_Numinosity[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

“Compare Exod. xxiii. 27: ‘I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come’; also Job ix. 34; xiii. 21 (‘let not his fear terrify me’; ‘let not thy dread make me afraid’). Here we have a terror fraught with an inward shuddering such as not even the most menacing and powerful created thing can instil. It has something spectral in it.” -- Rudolf Otto

theologian. psychic vampirism, or hungry ghosts is maybe a more mainstream religious term

compared hinduism with the old testament and japanese buddhism

[–]shannondoahAgnostic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to you, literally ALL religion is vampirism then?

[–]Ominous_Numinosity[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I posted scholarship about the kind of yoga I am talking about . You really have no right to deny what I am talking about without some knowledge of his work, all you'd have to do is listen to the podcast , consider the title of his book, or watch his lecture, besides reading it. (which I have done front to back)

and I never said people were vampirizing my energy , however I do know that exists .

I'll quote another book, called haunting the buddha by robert decaroli for reference, if you don't believe me

When an unbelieving yaksa heard them he thought to himself: “Seeing that these two Buddhist s´ramanfias are going along engaged in talk of repulsive things their vital force should be snatched away!” Vinaya account of a yaksa overhearing two monks

and i apologize for the typos there are words with squirrely accents - if you google the title author of the book with you'll find the entire book uploaded in PDF which is searchable , Ctrl+F, search "vital force should be snatched away" you'll come across the actual quote , which is the same as above just without the typos

and more scholars,

Jeffrey J Kripal, author of Kali's Child , "The sacred is not the good"

[–]SwadhisthanaShaktaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Namaste:

First off, I am quite familiar with David Gordon White, have read some of his work and listened to some of his lectures.

Secondly, if you are actually interested in discussions of "energy vampirism", go post in /r/occult. I do think it can happen, personally, but I don't think that's really your issue. And heck, if it was, I would encourage you to start vigorously practicing hatha yoga under the instruction of a good teacher so you can learn more about your prana and begin to regrow and heal your life-force.

And lastly, I do hope you find some peace and clarity, and wish you well.

[–]Ominous_Numinosity[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are you denying that vampirism is what his book is partially about? Did you read his book? or are you just blindly listening to his critics and not considering his arguments?

I have every right to post my opinion based on what an academic scholar has written (the same thing I said)

and yes, yoga absolutely has had an enormous influence on the occult, and please remember you are posting on an english forum

[–]BoiledEggsAndTea 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We here have read more than you, surely. And we read more than one book, White's book is very limited in scope and trying to draw the kind of inferences you draw is unjustified.

Also, Kripal is a moron

[–]SwadhisthanaShaktaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, Kripal is a moron

We may not agree on much, but on this, we are unanimous.

[–]SwadhisthanaShaktaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Listen, David Gordon White is a great scholar. But his lecture (and yes, I did listen to it) is about his own original research into a tiny subsect of occult Tantric practices that is far from mainstream.

This is one of the issues with religious Academia - you don't get published for talking about what is commonly known, you have to dig up stuff at the periphery of the tradition.

Your claims about Hatha Yoga and Kundalini are akin to saying that taking Christian communion was obviously some sort of mystical blood ritual set up by the Demiurge because some academic somewhere wrote a book on Gnostic theology. Yes, such an analogy could be made. No, it has almost nothing to do with how the faith tradition is actually practiced in the real world.

And yes, this is an English forum, but I'll quote all the samskriti I want, thank you very much. Mantra's in particular don't translate well.

[–]Ominous_Numinosity[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also have a book recommendation on the cannibalistic nature of the eucharist, Gothic Ireland : Horror And The Irish Anglican Imagination In The Long 18th Century by Jarlath Killeen . I have attended Anglican mass and can confirm that I felt sin eating , and it was cathartic . If done properly , psychic vampirism will shrive your soul

that is the way religion should be .

and yes I challenge people who are sensitive to energy of their bodies to attend an Anglican mass and witness why it is among the great religions of the world , or just anyone really. attend evening song

[–]slick123 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really don't know how your conversation looked like but just saying kundalini energy makes you crazy is wrong. There are certain situation that rising of kundalini could be bad , for example , if you are doing practices and techniques when you and your body are not ready for it. Just practice with patience and strong determination. Hatha yoga is great and it changed me on much levels. Can't offer any book because I study with my teacher at Ashram but I wish you all the best in your journey! Namaste!

[–]piNAka_dhRRitaAdvaita leaning, Conservative(somewhat) 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

https://archive.org/details/yogadaranasutra00patagoog

The Patanjala system, with the commentary of Vyasa.

[–]Ominous_Numinosity[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

thank you, can you share a bit about this book?

[–]piNAka_dhRRitaAdvaita leaning, Conservative(somewhat) 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

http://blavatskyarchives.com/theosophypdfs/tatya_the_yoga_philosophy_of_patanjali.pdf

This one as well. A translation of king Bhoja's commentary on the sutras. These Yoga sutras completely expound the system of Patanjali's Yoga. What I gave you are two commentaries elaborating this Yoga system:

  • Vyasa's
  • Raja(king) Bhoja's.

[–]Ominous_Numinosity[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

thanks but can you tell me a bit about them why they are relevant or would interest me ?

[–]piNAka_dhRRitaAdvaita leaning, Conservative(somewhat) 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

They'd give an idea about what sort of Yoga would be suited for you, that's why!

[–]Ominous_Numinosity[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

ok but you can't give more details at all?

[–]piNAka_dhRRitaAdvaita leaning, Conservative(somewhat) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. These are issues too lengthy and weighty to be summarized in reddit posts. Or long YouTube videos/lectures. Better read the texts I supplied and find out for yourself?

[–]nura2011ocean churner 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

My suggestion:

  1. Make sure your fundamentals are covered. Get medical help, get enough and regular sleep, get some exercise, stay in touch with supporting friends and family, watch your stress levels, etc.

  2. Secondly, Ishvarapranidhana or submission to the Lord is an important part of Yoga and is an especially good idea in times of crisis. I recommend praying to a powerful and loving deity who resonates with you and who will protect you. I highly recommend Krishna - He is the Lord who's famous for smashing demons, but he also makes an effective and loving friend, teacher, and charioteer.

[–]Ominous_Numinosity[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

A mantra is imparted person to person , it has little to do with the words

[–]nura2011ocean churner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You probably have diksha in mind, which is not at all what I meant.

Plenty of Hindus listen to and chant mantras as a way of bhakti (devotion to the Lord) without being "imparted" by anyone. And many powerful mantras have meaning, including the one I linked to. For e.g., "Om Namah Shivaya" is totally different from "Om Namah Shavaya" or "Om Na Shivaya". This is all basic stuff.

But my point is to selflessly surrender to God and ask him for protection. Without His protection and blessings, all this energyworkkundaliniyogamagickmantra path is like masturbating with a sandpaper. There is a small probability that you will achieve the result, but the far more likely outcome is that you'll damage yourself permanently.