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This production value is unacceptable.Complaint (self.DotA2)

The Oracle predicts the Major VictoryMaltMix が 投稿

Perfect World, seriously, we're having streams die randomly, even the casters in game just completely disappear, the camera frozen at one spot, the mics on the commentators cutting out, the volume on the stream being ridiculously low...

This is supposed to be the Major, one of the big four tournaments of the year, it may not be TI, but god dammit I expect decent production value.

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[–]Pimpmuckl 765ポイント766ポイント  (102子コメント)

I can't wrap my head around why KeyTV is producing this event. They struggled with Nanyang a lot and so far the only production team that could really show that they can run a Dota event in the region is the Mineski Event Team who salvaged Major Allstars in a wonderful fashion.

The current level of production (read only studio stuff, group stage) isn't rocket science. Kpoptosis and Icelement are both there who could easily run a 2man show which provides the same value as the current one but for reasons unknown to me the same issues still persist. Hell, our shitty captains draft had a better production and that was all solo.

While a lot of people understand that issues can arise, sadly the other esports just look a lot more professional compared to Dota. We have a $3000000 tournament and can't even get basic things right. The whole scene looks like we're amateurs.

The RUHUB guys do it right. Have a dedicated production team of around 3-5 people who they bring in for every event. Those guys know each other, know the tech they need and just bring everything to the event. That's exactly how it should be done when the main language is not english.

I would love if we could do a joint venture between studios of some sorts to do the same. Any production without audience could easily be done this way. It wouldn't take a big budget and it would be very failproof. Have the "big" production team handle the live portion and we're good.

It's ridiculously frustrating watching this event. We all should talk about the crazy games MVP Phoenix delivered and how Centaur and Warlock are picked currently and instead we talk about this shit. Dota deserves a good production, the players deserve it so that we can talk about their plays and the Major deserves it because it's a god damn $3m tournament.

edit: To clarify: The production knows about issues. Kpop is there and forwarded a ton of complains from other people and me. Still, today again they use the same god awful Instant Replay layout. I just don't understand it.

[–]ldDOTA 96ポイント97ポイント  (3子コメント)

For sake of accuracy, it was actually Major Allstars where Mineski Event Team came in and helped solve issues at the venue. KeyTV handled Nanyang entirely by themselves.

[–]rigg3d 126ポイント127ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hey Pimp, your captains draft tournament wasn't shitty! I really enjoyed it. I hope to see more tournaments from moonduck in the future.

[–]gt2slurp 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

I still haven't finished watching it but i want to go through all the games. It is really enjoyable.

[–]Denko-- 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

That tourney was the most pleasant to watch I've seen so far. It was more or less well timed and they even muted ping sounds so I could watch without feeling like a naughty jungle LC who just fed damage 1v5.

[–]Wortch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree! It was the most fun I've had watching a DOTA tournament in a while.

It was a nice break from the meta-spam. I'm looking forward to the next Captain's Draft already.

[–]KrisDayanti 34ポイント35ポイント  (15子コメント)

Mineski Event Team is the only realiable production in the Asia region so far, hopefully the team can produce top notch production during ESL Manila.

[–]nakee03 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

inb4 macho man contest

[–]xboct fangay (4) lifegramathy 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Replace allstar game with macho man contest pls, highest ratings of event

[–]OSfrog NotLikeThis OSfrogbonjoesantos 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

inb4 it returns

[–]Best Worst Doto Fighting~~Siantlark 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

OGN and SpoTV also ran their tournaments pretty well, but they're not in Dota anymore.

[–]Snarfledarf 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really really hope the BW studios know how to set up an event.

[–]doctorbhb 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

And the Manila Major too. :)

[–]ChibiPatrick 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

Personally I think we should forgo instant replays entirely leave it for post game analysis not for disrupting the flow in the middle of the game IMO

[–]mintypylon 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think they're ok but used WAY too much. They're not needed for every single teamfight, maybe a large one where there's like 3 left alive and as they limp back to base we get a quick recap in case we missed anything (which is possible if it was a large quick n dirty fight) but the way they do it after every single one is rather silly.

[–]ChibiPatrick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea or like exceptional team play not just a triple kill or like a good spell steal.

[–]Pimpmuckl 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

When using it for CD3/CanadaCup it had to be all of the following:

  • Real big play, not just a 5man wipe with 30k goldlead
  • Nothing going on at all currently
  • No possibility of anything happening for 20ish secs
  • Never more than 20s

That makes the replay quick, precise and enjoyable. The layout is bad in my opinion with the tilting, but that's maybe preference.

[–]dotapack 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was thinking about other sports and the value instant replay provides the fans but dota moves way too fast for this kind of thing. There aren't perpetual breaks such as football has where it is convenient to show a slow motion replay.

My favorite way to watch the games is in the Dota 2 client on one monitor from the perspective of the midlaner I'm cheering for (my role) and put the twitch stream on my other screen. When you do this the instant replays are actually really nice but I could see how frustrating it must be for everyone else. Dota is wayyy to fast for that shenanigans. This isn't the first time we've brought this up on Reddit either, Volvo knows we hate it.

[–]Sotanath 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

better to save replays for pauses or situations where almost everyone is dead

[–]iFiraz 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Admin asking players to pause. The best one.

[–]DeliciousKiwi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even though Captain's Draft 3.0 was silly by design, the production value was actually really solid. Its made me a lot more judgmental on tournaments like this major if 1 guy from a remote location can put on such a good show.

[–]Charmed, I'm sure!KippyPowers 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love Captain's Draft. Great, organized tournament. Does DC/Moonduck have any other tournaments in the works? I would love more tournaments from the guys.

[–]FulEvacuationOfBowel 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

My guess is that their more experienced production guys are on the Chinese stream production. What we need to remember is that the Chinese do not work on multi-stream production that often. If we were to put the English production crew in charge of multiple streams and throw in some language barriers, they would run into some hiccups too.

Valve could definitely fly in a dedicated production team for every Valve-sponsored event and provide more consistency across events, but is that their aim though?

Valve is taking a rather hands-off approach with regards to the production of the Majors. To have the same people work on the production repeatedly means a few things,

  1. There would be little growth in the production scene of the respective regions.
  2. The dedicated production team then becomes indispensable. This discourages competition.

Sure, some of the Chinese production members might not be as proficient as some of the most dedicated production crews we have in the the Western scene, but if they are what the the particular region can currently offer, having them replaced would not help raise the production proficiency of the region in the long term. We need to remember that one of the points of the Majors is to build up and grow the regional e-sports scene, to raise them to the level where they can handle work on their own.

Instead of setting up a dedicated production team, Valve should try to consolidate production know-how and set equipment standards that could be shared amongst the various production teams, much like how they tried to standardise the equipment (monitors) of the players.

All in all, while the production of the Shanghai Major is not perfect, it is still acceptable. Everybody has to start somewhere, and it would only get better in the future.

[–]monkwren 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you want to build a grow a production team, you have them start working with smaller tournaments. When they prove their proficiency in that area, then they get brought up to bigger tournaments. In the meantime, you have the "big" production team run all of the big tournaments (while they slowly burn out from being overworked). If someone hasn't proven that they can handle production on the scale of a Major, then they shouldn't be in charge of production of a major.

[–]friendliest_giant 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't sell yourself short. The captains draft was fun and had great production value. Eve the inbetweens where you see everyone sitting around with their shoes off, that was fun and made the casting very pleasant. Maybe not as 'professional' as some of the productions aim to be but it was incredibly fun and helped people enjoy the games even with the minor waits and such.

Only problem I had with the captains draft was the lack of gold stars.

[–]fuckoffvalve 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

us Russians know our shit

Feel bad for anyone that can't speak the language. startv is an excellent organization.

[–]GET OFF MY LAWN!Tehmaxx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What exactly is preventing the joint venture of something like GD/joindota/BTS all creating a quality English viewer experience? Is it specificaly KeyTv that wont allow it?

[–]socrates111 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

the CD tourney was produced SOOOO MUCH BETTER than this 3 million dollar shit show.

[–]Vaeltis 3ポイント4ポイント  (31子コメント)

Should try to see if Valve can fly you and others out there ASAP to get this stuff fixed, because this is ridiculous.

[–]Pimpmuckl 62ポイント63ポイント  (30子コメント)

Too late now. What I did for CD3 is only okay for that small scale of a tournament (and let's be real my production also wasn't great, but I overestimated myself a ton so we didn't got someone to do ded. observing) but not for a major, not to mention that I would need 2-3 days to come over and setup, by then it's too late.

We need a proper team which has experience running dota and/or a proper team which has experience running productions and have someone to advise them (read kpop) and direct for dota specific things. Dota deserves a good production, this major deserves a good production.

[–]BURNING THE EMPERORbvanplays 3ポイント4ポイント  (16子コメント)

Hey do you (or anyone) know where the Chinese stream is? I wanna see what their main production looks like out of curiosity. That is assuming that there is a "main stream" that is Chinese since it's a Chinese tournament.

[–]Dota2HelpBot 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

The difference in quality between the US stream is jarring, and this is someone watching from US.East where the ping would typically be ass on the chinese stream.

This is very largely Perfect World not caring enough about the English stream and production side. My Chinese is piss-poor so I don't want to watch the Chinese stream but the audio quality is so much better and the stream is much smoother and better managed.

[–]CornflakeJustice 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm a relatively new player (read sub 500 games thought I've played off and on for about 3 years.) While I've generally picked up the compendiums for The International each of those years, and have bought all of the new format "Major" compendiums, this is really the first tournament that I've been actively seeking to watch.

The first set of games played this afternoon are not labeled in any meaningful way on the DotaMajor Twitch VOD page so that's a pain to figure beyond start with the oldest and go, incidentally, the first video is a 12 minute stream of the waiting page. Nevermind that when I tried to watch them in the Dota 2 Client the caster voices weren't being broadcast and there was no way to watch the replay without revealing who won.

When I sat down to watch the matches tonight the DotaMajor stream simply didn't work. I saw the pre-show, I saw the draft, I saw the first few seconds of gameplay and it just died. Then went up and down several times before just dying. Twitch chat was posting links to the DotaMajor2 stream which were being immediately deleted by whatever automod they have in place. I switched over, but that stream was being held together by frozen frames, spit, and a little duct tape.

I love watching Dota played at a professional level. How the hell is Valve allowing such an awful representation of their product go out? This is a terrible introduction to watching live esports.

[–]Dota2HelpBot 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

If this was for today this might be something more on your side or your connection. I have been able to get a stable stream (given steam 1 still has those breaks and both have lower quality).

In terms of the site, yeah. Perfect world really dropped the ball on making an English site to watch VOD's or follow the event. I get that youtube is not that popular in China but they can still arrange SOMEWAY to get the VOD's on that platform the rest of the world uses with even a tiny bit of research.

[–]CornflakeJustice 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would generally agree with you, but I have a top end connection with no issues generally. Every once in a great while if my roommate decides to cast there are issues, but they weren't home tonight and the issues I was experiencing corresponded with chat going bonkers and often involved the wait screen for the event. This was happening even after closing out a couple other tabs with heavy media connections and switching to low quality. I'm 95% sure this was an issue on their end.

I mean, whether youtube is popular or not there's no reason not to post the VOD there with a proper game 1 CDEC vs Team Secret title. Or to at least name the stream on Twitch as such given that the name attached to the VOD is based on what the stream is called. I'm not a professional Twitch caster but I can give my stream a custom name descriptive of the actual content.

[–]TDA101 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

Chinese Nationalism at it's finest. Chinese first, everyone not second.

Valve gave some goodwill by giving China the 2nd Major and we got spat in the face.

[–]Dota2HelpBot 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Essentially this. I expected the Chinese stream will obviously have some more bells and whistles given it is their home turf so it is much easier to get more talent, local interviews, the bigger live analyst table.

But this is a whole other level of just doing their own thing and leaving everyone else to fend for themselves. If they were at least more clear about this from the start I am more than certain some ENG studio would be more than willing to step in and handle the ENG portion.

[–]TDA101 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That would mean paying people who arn't Chinese.

Theres probably more respect for the Russian. Gotta hate on them Americans! (I'm actually AUS but I feel the pain)

[–]No seriously try itOgreMidGuy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

sounds like the consensus is Fuck the chinese organizers. They shat in everyone's cereal.

[–]BURNING THE EMPERORbvanplays 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, does anyone know how the Chinese production compares for their foreign (our local) tournaments?

The game delay stuff is obviously bullshit, but at least everyone has to deal with it. It's expected for the main production to be several levels above the rest given cultural/language issues.

But I want to know if this is the issues to be expected if focus is divided, let's say, 60% main stream, 20% English, 20% Russian. Is this is what happens?

[–]pyroxyze 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here you go

[–]shackled.Altitude2594 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe douyu tv

[–]Best Worst Doto Fighting~~Siantlark 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of the Chinese tournaments are on Huomao officially actually.

[–]4squarecubed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://major.huomaotv.cn/

[–]lyaf_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eventually they pick their shit together for the main event. Main stream has been down for 35 minutes, is now back up but it's a fucking slideshow. This is literally unacceptable, it's a fucking shitshow.

[–]つ ◕_◕ ༽つ SECRET TAKE MY ENERGY つ ◕_◕ ༽つInsomniaklol 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not really new the production value of most dota tournaments are pretty bad compared to other esports titles. Even TIs have lower production value than most other CS:GO / LoL events.

I still watch all dota tournaments, but i'm pretty sure somebody who see a Major with this kind of production for 2 days won't come back to watch dota for a while. That's why dota viewers are not growing on Twitch.

Valve really need to step up on this.

edit :words.

[–]VesperJDR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your production was perfect m8. KappaPride

[–]socrates111 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey Pimp, can you help remotely? Like seriously. Start a gofundme or something (with a max limit) and ppl will pay you to work remotely on the production.

[–]Pimpmuckl 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I gave kpop a bucket list of like 30 things from yesterdays broadcast which he relayed to KeyTV. I can't do more. The production crew is chinese and according to people at the venue there is no way they would let kpop/rob run the whole thing in the first place.

It's a shame. I would have loved to come over and help, but it seems like that's not possible.

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    [–]eericson000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah I love the TTours, outside of the game, its like hey James has stop talking already, can't you tell the talking is from someone else.

    [–]THIS MONKEY FLAIR IS SHITrDotA2_MODS_ARE_SJWs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If we had you there alone doing all the button pushing rather than Pajkatts girlfriend then it would be fine.

    [–]MumrikDK 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'd say captains draft 3 had the same sea of minor technical issues, but not really any of the larger ones. It's my impression that Valve wanted the Majors to feel premium.

    [–]Pimpmuckl 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yea I had two issues with the audio interface suddenly not working when waking the pc from hibernate and then the mics having the wrong config because I've never used the sennheisers.

    The thing is however that I do production in my free time next to university and never had my hands on any production more expensive than a couple thousand dollars. The guys running a major are professionals. Or should be. And that's just unacceptable.

    [–]kaptainkeel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    While a lot of people understand that issues can arise, sadly the other esports just look a lot more professional compared to Dota.

    Even a single test of the gaming systems would find 99% of the issues. Rehearsal. Not 2, just 1. Play a single game on each of the PCs that will be used to show they work.

    Use the same people every time. Even if it is 10 people, that is $20,000 total for a $3 million tournament - that is nothing. If you have to use locals, hire a LARGE professional company. It does not seem like they hired any type of professional company.

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      [–]Victory for the nerfed Legion!InZehInterfector 256ポイント257ポイント  (27子コメント)

      Perfect World. As fucking expected. Never trust them to do anything fucking right.

      [–]The Oracle predicts the Major VictoryMaltMix[S] 128ポイント129ポイント  (16子コメント)

      How does Trump expect China to pay for a wall on the Mexican border if they can't even keep up decent internet service? Keepo

      [–]Trump 2016 #MAGAxaxaxaxa4u 43ポイント44ポイント  (4子コメント)

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      HIGHLY VENOMOUS

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      HIGH ENERGY

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      BUILD THE WALL

      [–](~˘▾˘)~ in EE-Sama w33 trust ~(˘▾˘~)fractalsonfire 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

      /r/the_donald is leaking

      [–]RR4YNN 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

      GUAC BOWL MERCHANT

      [–]Trump 2016 #MAGAxaxaxaxa4u 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

      MAGA

      [–]beeaxemurderer 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

      JEB BUSH IS A WASTE

      [–]Muntberg 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I say this every night. Every day. Every afternoon. And it's so true.

      [–]RR4YNN 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      WELL I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN

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        [–]Alliance welcome home.CheddahGief 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Fucking dank.

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          [–]shrek_rooney 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

          There was this fucking moron in the Vlat thread the other day convinced they'd learn from dac against all constant evidence and accusing him of stirring up drama. Fuck this shit.

          [–]#supportdanger_robot 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Tobis mic is making my ears bleed and its turned all the way down.

          [–]Detonation 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

          And Synderen you can't hear for shit during team fights because a) game volume is loud and b) his mic is incredibly low.

          [–]Muntberg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Oh God everyone should know Tobi needs a limiter.

          [–]FulEvacuationOfBowel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          DAC was produced by MarsTV, not KeyTV.

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            [–]silversamm 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

            ...How has this lasted for more than 1 minute? What the fuck.

            [–]Kimbap7thly 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Yeah, these delays are so long with so much downtime.

            [–]kotlSpirit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I missed a whole match because of this.

            [–]http://www.twitch.tv/mautdota2mautdota2 51ポイント52ポイント  (8子コメント)

            I really wanted to hear Cap and Blitz call that last fight. I'll rewatch in game tho so. Also end of that game was sick thank God for RUHub too.

            [–]Cathallex 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

            In Soviet Russia... Stream work flawlessly Putin accept no failure!!

            [–]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198039475565/MrTheodore 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

            stream no work? then you work in gulag.

            [–]Blurr11 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

            The Russians always have solid working production , not always flashy but I rarely see them have major issues at international events. I don't understand why the english team can't get their shit together.

            [–]A tree killed you . . . A tree!ManWithHangover 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Because English is the primary stream, so they contractually have to use whatever shitty production the "organisers" have set up (At least this was the case for Nanyang, which was the last episode of shitshow like this).

            The Russians are allowed to bring in their own crew, and they do it all themselves properly.

            [–]monkwren 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ^ This. As pimpmuckl pointed out above, the Russians have the same 3-5 productions guys that work literally every event, so they have everything down pat. The English streams constantly have to switch production teams to whoever the TO wants them to use. Personally, I'm kind of to the point where I think English casters should boycott the next Major if they don't get to bring in their own production team.

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              [–]lyaf_ 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

              twitch.tv/DotaMajor has been down for 25 minutes so far..

              productionvalue

              [–]TMAmbrose 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              An absolute classic. Honestly this shit happened at TI5 (though i think it was ddosing there or something). I wasn't playing dota during the frankfurt major, but i know there has typically been issues at these premeir tournaments.

              [–]justMate 44ポイント45ポイント  (33子コメント)

              I'm a European watching GoP debate, best soap opera I have seen in years and the stream doesn't randomly crash.

              [–]The Oracle predicts the Major VictoryMaltMix[S] 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

              It's less of a soap opera and more of a "reality" TV show along the lines of "Real Housewives" or "Jersey Shore".

              [–]K9b1ack 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

              At least it's streaming.

              [–]justMate 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

              If Trump brags about building better wall than the Great wall of China then he would be surely able to produce a better major 4Head

              [–]A_Mouse_In_Da_House 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Ti3. Been done. Ti5. Still being done. NA best majors confirmed.

              [–]akaskar 8ポイント9ポイント  (25子コメント)

              I'm from Asia, also watching and reading all the GoP stuff for fun

              [–]RR4YNN 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Truly the politics of spectacle.

              [–]Aggie11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I wish I was watching that from the outside. It is a fun soap opera.

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                [–]I'd like to be a treeProtosega 116ポイント117ポイント  (7子コメント)

                Perfect world?

                More like 3rd world.

                [–]Avastyescumbags 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

                That's an insult to 3rd world countries

                [–]there's nothing to see herevenitto 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                wow cutting deep

                [–]mcccxx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I prefer Perfect Garbage

                [–]xxCurryMuncherx 100ポイント101ポイント  (15子コメント)

                Trump will make bring back the Majors back to America.

                He will make majors great again

                [–]gunano_001 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                It's 2016 and the panel is using pen and paper to draw some tables.

                Since dota is a dead game in china I would expect that the production value would continue decreasing and next major in shanghai will be held in a cave, the analysis would be drawn on the wall using bloods.

                [–]Ord0c 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                I wonder why they call themselves Perfect World. It seems they achieve quite the opposite?

                [–]Ban_this_nazi_mods 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                it's meant to be ironic, you know, hipster shit.

                [–]The Oracle predicts the Major VictoryMaltMix[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Because they're deluded, like the Chinese government. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they were RUN by the Chinese government.

                [–]BangdatAnkle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                coz wht they do is just fucking perfect.

                [–]Dank Rift Risingtemka1337 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I knew it was gonna be shit when they announced that the monitors would be 60 hz.

                [–]Freakofnaytur 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Same people that ran Nanyang... looks like they didn't learn.

                [–]bad_scott 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                No English audio in game, twitch seems to be fine. All other languages seem to be fine

                [–]I'm a fucking faggotIAMBollock 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                There has been far too many fuckups from this tournament and there's still time for plenty more. If it carries on like this we will look back on this tournament as a complete fuckup. It's embarrassing to the Dota community and events like these undo good work by other events.

                [–]howtopleaseme 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I don't understand how the volume is still so low. That isn't even a real problem, you just have to change the settings.

                [–]Dandelian 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Hope we just skip china in favor of russia next time. Atrocious...

                [–]aelawler7x7x7 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                If the next major is hosted in mainland China by Perfect World or some other mediocre Chinese variant it is going to be terrible. Hong Kong + ESL or South Korea + who cares is far better than this shit show.

                [–]Apollonoir 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I said this about china and people told me it would be fine! :) cant wait for the PHILLIPINES MAJOR! surely they will put on a GREAT EVENT. NO PROBLEMS HAPPEN IN SEA.

                [–]Vaeltis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Hopefully the Mineski Team will be producing the Manila event.

                [–]Knobull 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Dota looks like a joke with this sort of production.

                [–]_fmm 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                it may not be TI, but god dammit I expect decent production value.

                The only difference between TI and any of the other three majors on the circuit is the prize money and the prestige.

                The quality of the tournaments from production to the participating teams should be exactly the same.

                Valve needs more control over how their partners run these events.

                [–]d2isdotanotdiablo 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Well, that's my last compendium /winter pass or overall shit I buy for Dota.

                We are basically paying our money to cyborgmatt and perfect world, I feel pretty scammed.

                I feel like The Wire could do a whole new season about Dota mafia and why Valve keeps giving tournaments to utterly shit orgs

                [–]brandonnajera44 50ポイント51ポイント  (27子コメント)

                We will have to suffer this tournament because its too late to change it but yeah. They even made the players pause the game yesterday so they can fix something. It's flippen ridiculous. VALVE PLEASE CUT TIES WITH SHIT COMPANIES. It makes DOTA look shitty. At least Riot got the e-sports broadcasting thing down.

                [–]The_Keg 124ポイント125ポイント  (4子コメント)

                VALVE PLEASE CUT TIES WITH SHIT COMPANIES

                How to detect a redditor with real world business experience. We need to petition Valve to hire this guy ASAP. Just cut ties with perfect world, this man has it figured out holy shit.

                [–]frostivusiscancelled 21ポイント22ポイント  (8子コメント)

                It's one thing to expect Valve to exert some sort of pressure or hire different people to assist in LAN production, but they can't cut ties with Perfect World. They depend enormously on the Chinese scene for the future of the game, and tournament production aside, they need Perfect World to keep what they've already built.

                [–]TDA101 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Ah, yes let's give the Chinese Companies to fuck us over with our money over and over because we have to.

                Nice way to do business.

                [–]brandonnajera44 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                If Valve is going to say there are going to be tournaments we have to be able to see them. Perfect World got the exclusive Chinese rights, or w/e, awhile ago. Maybe it's time for Valve to find another partner. Especially if their partners can't run a tournament. The Smash community runs bigger/better tourneys and they are practically ran completely by their community.

                [–]OutlawJoseyWales 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Maybe it's time for Valve to find another partner.

                yeah because in the capitalist paradise that is China, that's definitely possible :^)

                [–]Better_MixMaster 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                There aren't other partners. China is dominated by a few mega corps. Perfect world is known for being terrible, but they never need to improve because they own most of the scene in China.

                [–]randomkidlol 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Thats because smash players give a shit. PW evidently does not.

                [–]monkwren 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Smash scene is significantly smaller than Dota2, so they can get away with using a smaller provider. Dota2 is huge, and that means using a huge provider... and that means limited options. Perfect World might be shit, but it might also be the best option available to Valve.

                [–]Darkseer89 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yup. I believe it was in one of the Secret games. An admin came out and said to pause because of technical reasons LMAO. Misery: "Why?"

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                  [–]Through purity of will I must remain myselfPurityOfWill 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Introduced a friend I invited to Dota to the proscene today. Needless to say he left after one and a half games of sub-par production and audio/camera fails.

                  Now I feel like a dick, thanks Volvo.

                  [–]diapersarefullofshit 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Maybe he just does not like hanging out with you for longer then 1 hour?:)

                  [–]EternaLEnVy fanshitKuro013 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  ouch...

                  [–]Dirty Viper Spammerkazelashira 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  And it's still down..

                  [–]Emerald_boy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I'm going to bed, this stream(well now its down) its a joke. I won't buy any compendium/BattlePass/Something to support anything made by PerfectWorld, they just never learn.

                  [–]Flat is Justice.lawlianne 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  PERFECTLY UNACCEPTABLE.

                  [–]ArteezyILLEGAL 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Better professionals, less profit. Just Perfect World things

                  [–]Blown B[A]CKTravisGurley 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The audio quality of the second stream is so Poor. It sounds like they're in a Skype call with poor connection. Anyone listening would have no idea that tobi and synd are sitting feet away from each other

                  [–]SwedishSpaceman 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  At least I can hear Blitz and Cap on the youtube stream. Sound is aweful, but at least better then the twitch main stream as of now.

                  But if Valve reads a single thread on reddit this year, lets hope its this one, cause this is complete shit.

                  [–]icefr4ud 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  whats the youtube strim link?

                  also it worked ingame perfectly fine.

                  also i think its being broadcast on steam as well, and on dota2.com as well

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                    [–]imacutie3point14 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I still don't understand why they'd rather put in so much money into the prize pool than a quality broadcast.

                    [–]Yesshua 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Well that does bring up an interesting question. Valve decided not to centrally control Dota 2 eSports and that meant that every studio/tournament had to figure out their own production setup. So Dota 2 had more and more varied eSport content than League of Legends, but lower average quality.

                    Now that Valve is running a system with multiple majors they mandate, should they assume more production responsibility? If yes, what do they need to be doing and how much time would it take for them to set up that infrastructure? If Valve sees this major and decides that they need to take a more active role, how long would it take for that to manifest?

                    [–]shabbydude 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    All the delays have to be helping EG's chances of winning. Arteezy is the reigning champion of Queue Simulator.

                    [–]HahehuhohihyhL0rdMathias 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I've given up watching this major because of all the delays. I'm not going to sit around waiting for hours for a game to start and then have a random break between games during a set.

                    [–]Poppis86 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    And now they fired James?

                    https://twitter.com/follow2GD

                    [–]Maxxhat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Fuck you PW for your shitty fucking delay. Fuck you

                    [–]Mitchuation 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Sound guy needs a new career. I have the stream volume maxed out and it's barely a whisper. Wtf

                    [–]BURNING THE EMPERORbvanplays 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Does anyone know where the Chinese stream is? I'm curious to see if the "main stream" has better consistency or production.

                    [–]lessy2020 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    the Chinese commentators seems to work fine tho

                    [–]AvernusAsph0tic 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    every other streams work and start on time except for the english stream -.-

                    [–]83632974 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Second English streams works ok. Schedule wise, except the 30 min pause because of bug. And the sound issues. And the stream issues.

                    [–]brackstone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I thought this was because I was on my Roku box. Can't believe that's how the stream was actually handled.

                    [–]Stats and Behind-The-ScenesCorruptDropbear 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZbGSXeWWE

                    [–]NoobFromEU 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This was to be expected from a company that needs to compensate their quality of service by a name like Perfect World.

                    [–]iPadfellonmyface 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    How are we possibly 6 hours and 30 mins past the start time and only at the first minute of the second set of matches of the day.

                    [–]SteveYellzz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    MinskMajor

                    [–]icex4 never goes wrong.slyvana15 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Valve desperately needs to intervene to avoid such disasters from happening continuously in this Major. All the delays and technical issues just makes this look unprofessional AS HELL. I doubt the players are having a good time as well with the pauses and lack of admin help at times.

                    Plus, the host was just fired from the panel. What kind of impression are they creating? This has all been negative for Dota 2 - such incompetency should not and cannot be allowed especially at one of the most premier tournaments.

                    As players of and part of the community of Dota 2, we all need to voice out our concerns and protest against such things from happening.

                    [–]www.twitch.tv/StealthHazrdstealthhazrd 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Have we EVER had a tournament that didn't have some bad production? It happened at the other majors and at TI also.

                    [–]The Oracle predicts the Major VictoryMaltMix[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    That doesn't excuse it. If eSports is going to be taken seriously, then this shit is unacceptable.

                    [–]www.twitch.tv/StealthHazrdstealthhazrd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Who said anything about excusing? I know it sucks, but these threads pop up every time a tournament starts, but I have yet to see anyone follow up after the tournament is over. If you want to rant fine, but it's a little late to be upset now. I doubt there's much they can do to fix anything now. Instead we should be focusing on the next event and trying to prevent more bad production but unless there's pitchforks and immidate satisfaction it ain't gonna happen here.

                    [–]Wortch 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    There's all this talk about working to have E-sports be taken more seriously, and the production quality of this tournament does the exact opposite.

                    On top of that, there's no word from Valve on any of this. No explanation, no apology, no assurance that they're working to improve or fix the issues for the remainder of the tournament.

                    If this were a movie ticket, or a ticket to a show, sports game, or any other major entertainment service, there would at the very least be an apology or statement of concern.

                    Really disappointing.

                    [–]darthalucard 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    A screenshot from the YouTube stream before it went down.

                    WTF is happening?

                    [–]OG BEST TEAM EVERjstq 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This is restreamer's failure. Looks like standard livestreamer lag. Have nothing to do with main stream.

                    [–]jumalauta tuntuu hyvältä olla neste fanihomotenhotuisku 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    video encoding/decoding

                    [–]SpaNkinGG 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    PLEASE NO MORE MAJORS OUTSTIDE OF EU/NA

                    THIS IS UNBEARABLE

                    [–]generalecchi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That's for doing the major in China and not somewhere else

                    [–]thebighead 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Completely missed the end of the Fnatic/Vici game cuz of it, logged into client to see what I missed and all of a sudden Fnatic was raxing. Pissed I missed the end of a great game.

                    [–]Caop1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    If it is expected to have a bad connection at least get a backupplan. Maybe a backup studio from america just to stream in a situation like this.

                    Show us some videos on loop, some guys from Valve, anything, even just an animated waiting loop and some music. Just don't keep the stream offline for upwards to an hour now without any official notice!?

                    [–]_sensei 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Perfect World? Fair World.

                    [–]WetDonkey6969 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    They need to call up Spooky to help run the stream

                    [–]All glory to the HypnoToad!HypnoToad112 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Perfect World name is quite ironic.

                    [–]Buff my ult CD plzinskipjester 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    P R O D U C T I O N V A L U E

                    [–]DoMeASolid-4Lan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Hey, i cannot watch the games from twitch. D:

                    [–]OG BEST TEAM EVERjstq 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I have ingame music at 17% and voice volume at 100... Music still much louder than casters

                    [–]eericson000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Indeed, say if you compare to the last Majors, Frankfurt, its quite obvious which Major had the more experience people running a tournament. Definitely want a more consistent quality for the Majors, I know its China, but don't have a production quality that is worse than a local lan.

                    It's how ridiculous how 5 mins ago the sound would be ok, and suddenly one of the people on the discussion panel mic just takes a dump. This seems to happen pretty often, where they just dick around the volume. Not to mention how we got the chipmunks stream at the start today.

                    [–]Hamster zombies!Hamsterkommissar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I expect some production valve too, value!

                    [–]is blackriziger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'm really not picky. If they could fix one simple thing, just fix the volume. I don't get how everytime the "scene" switches the volumes are all messed up.

                    One minute the casters are too soft, the next minute one of them is incredibly loud. Switch back to the panel and everyone is way too low and then suddenly 2GD and Swindle are incredibly loud whereas you can barely hear anyone else.

                    Surely something as simple as volume is not rocket science?!

                    [–]In and Out of Meta.Quelandoris 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Honestly this is a complete and utter joke. For shame, Perfect World, a company your size should be able to handle this easily. For shame, KeyTV, for accepting a contract you obviously werent cut out for. For shame Valve, for trusting these knuckleheads with no prior proof of competence.

                    [–]lawlxor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    In DotA TV the casters sound like they are underwater. The audio quality is awful even when they aren't cutting out.

                    [–]TMAmbrose 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    An absolute classic

                    [–]This flair = rare pepe, so fuck it I'm keeping itgoodwarrior12345 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    They for some reason don't have a compressor set up(the thing that evens out the audio so it always is on about the same level and sounds way louder and better), so the casters are often times completely inaudible, so I had to turn up my extremely loud Krakens from 20 to like 60. Wtf is this shit. The russian stream is always way better and I usually end up watching it instead. Crazy

                    [–]Knobull 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Third series of the second day, and DotaTV is still fucked. It's fucking horrible, and there will be no new Dota fans with this sort of production.

                    [–]olerris 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Hiw can sound be broken for players? Lol

                    [–]gwcory 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Hows the production in chinese stream? Also wondering how chinese streams were like at english events or even if they were invited. Not trying to make excuses just curious.

                    [–]bismaky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    mineski production? hmmm.... might be good... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bnUoMCjN4Y

                    [–]OkamiKnuX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Don't even try watching it in-game. It's even worse.
                    It says you have good ping (under 100) and no packet loss, but it runs like a power-point slideshow.
                    What a fucking joke.

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