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[–]Patrik333 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (36子コメント)

Wait has that EU one already been and gone? I don't keep up with the news, I was gonna vote to stay in, sucks if I missed it...

E: Seems like the general advice I'm receiving here is, "If you're not already engaged in politics enough to know exactly what to vote for and why, then just eff off and don't even try to get involved." Fucked if I do, fucked if I don't.

[–]DEADB33FNottinghamshire 29ポイント30ポイント  (31子コメント)

European Parliament elections (you know, the one where UKIP romped to victory due to the apathy of people like yourself who have seemingly never heard of it).

Apologies for the snark, I was just responding in kind :)

[–]Patrik333 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry for double-reply, but, I just looked it up on the BBC site (and a couple others), and it says that the referendum vote is on the 23rd of June? What was the vote this week?

Sorry for my ignorance.

[–]DEADB33FNottinghamshire 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who said there was a vote this week?

[–]jvlomaxLancashire 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

The EU referendum is indeed the 23rd or June. Please write down the date and remember to vote :)

What /u/DEADB33F was referring to was the European Parliament elections which is not an IN/OUT vote. It's a vote on who we choose to represent the UK in the EU parliament

[–]DEADB33FNottinghamshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

...and register to vote if you aren't already on the electoral role.

[–]Patrik333 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alright, 23rd June... I'll try my best to remember!

[–]Patrik333 1ポイント2ポイント  (25子コメント)

Sorry, I don't mean to be snarky - I'm a bit of a loner and a shut-in, and I don't own a TV licence myself, nor read any news sites, so I'm almost 100% isolated from the news.

Really gutted that UKIP won. My dad told me about the referendum last week when I visited my parents, but I'm terrible at remembering important stuff. Not like saying this will make any difference, but I promise it's not apathy, it's ADD.

[–]ThereCanBeOnly_Juan 5ポイント6ポイント  (15子コメント)

Out of curiosity, why are you really gutted that UKIP "won"?

In the nicest possible way (I can't think of a way to write this that doesn't sound rude, sorry), what would you know about whether that is good or bad?

[–]masturbator117 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Electing a party to represent your country's interests in a parliament, that the party's entire political presence is established at not wanting to be a part of, could be a source of disquietude.

Then when the elected party members don't vote in the interests of their country (or even attend committee), they can point fingers at the establishment not working in their countries favor, bolstering their own political profile and their benefactors.

[–]ThereCanBeOnly_Juan 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know. I know why UKIP doing well in the EU elections was a bad thing, I was curious why someone who confessed to knowing next to nothing about politics, news or current affairs was "really gutted" that UKIP won. How would they know what UKIP are, to be able to feel such a way about their "winning"?

[–]masturbator117 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah I see now, very valid point.

[–]LowestKarmaRecord [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They represent the people who voted for them, as they vote against all extension of EU power, just like the SNP promote Scottish autonomy.

[–]Patrik333 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

I guess I don't know much, but I do know that UKIP is conservative, and also my dad mentioned something about it being big for the Tories if they won... I think it has something to do with them being less restricted in the laws they pass?

But yeah, I admit, I should probably do a lot of reading up about it myself instead of just trusting what my dad says.

E: He mentioned something about how if they win to get out of the EU, then Scotland will probably finally win independence, and then England will be on its own, and the Tories will somehow gain an undisputed monopoly on the vote and we'll be as good as in a dictatorship. He sounded pretty depressed about it, but that's definitely one hell of a slippery-slope argument even if we do lose the EU vote.

[–]Khathaar 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

Fucking hell

Read the news, look at manifestos, get your own opinions. Dont take your dad verbatim.

If you are older than like 18 this is depressing

[–]masturbator117 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

This sadly is how the large majority of the population ascertain their information, because the importance of thorough research isn't taught until higher education.

This issue is also exacerbated with the internet, and in particular social media. I do wish it was taught earlier in the education system, it's of such core benefit to self growth in other fields and day to day life too.

Edit: Autocorrect fail.

[–]Patrik333 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, cheers, I got the message.

Don't worry, I have my own autonomous thoughts. I have a functioning, critical mind, but since I don't have a TV licence I have a fairly limited pool of information. I don't always take my dad verbatim, but I realize that having not read other news might've biased me slightly more than I wanted to believe, and I admit that mistake.

I don't remember to read the news just like I struggle with a basic routine every day and yes my life is fucking depressing, thanks very much for reminding me of that.

I would promise (to a bunch of random internet strangers) to try to read the news more, but the vibe I'm getting is that even admitting to being ignorant and wanting to change, isn't good enough unless I have a time machine and can retroactively fix my sinful past.

[–]Khathaar 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Youre on the internet, no tv license is no excuse. Wilful ignorance.

[–]rubygeek [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

From his comment:

I struggle with a basic routine every day and yes my life is fucking depressing, thanks very much for reminding me of that.

Seems like he has other problems to deal with.

[–]Patrik333 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

  • I try asking questions about politics because I'm interested in what's happening

  • It turns out that I've fallen pretty far behind with what's going on in the world because I'm not zealously into politics (and with my disabilities, I struggle to keep up to date with anything - even losing contact with my best friends, or making sure I've drank enough water).

  • People make sweeping judgements about my whole life, basically accusing me of lacking any critical thinking skills just because I'm not 100% up to date and haven't carefully examined every news source for bias.

  • I apologize repeatedly for my ignorance, and say that I'll try and make more of an effort in future.

  • Still not good enough, I'm just being wilfully ignorant.

And then, the punchline:

  • No one in the entire comment thread gives me any practical advice or positive encouragement to help me get into politics, but almost everybody complains about apathy and mindless voters.

Great work.

[–]crazycanine -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a troll and you are being had.

[–]rubygeek [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm terrible at remembering important stuff.

Calendars. Phone alarms.

Just saying.

[–]Patrik333 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I know :( But then I forget to write it into calendars and phone alarms... and I'm pretty awful at ignoring them, too. I'm really trying to improve in that regard, though.

[–]chrisawhitmore 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Given that you clearly aren't engaged at all with the issues, please don't vote.

[–]Patrik333 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Good solution to solving apathy.

Not "If you're interested in the vote, try learning more about it", but just "please don't vote."

[–]chrisawhitmore [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Well, at this point his being totally uninformed to the point of not knowing if the vote had already happened suggests he's made a real effort not to be informed about it. It seems unlikely that he's going to pick up enough to even approach an informed decision in time, so saying don't vote seems like the best option.

[–]Patrik333 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I dunno, I think that the fact that he's even asking questions about the subject demonstrates that he has some basic interest in the matter, plus he seems to be getting pretty frustrated and worked up about how people are actively discouraging him from taking an interest in it.

[–]chrisawhitmore [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well, maybe it'll work as reverse psychology then. I'm happy for you to inform yourself and vote, if that's what you do. (Edit: just realised I started talking about you in the 3rd person to you, and that you went along with it. Sorry.)

[–]Patrik333 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Haha, maybe it will, although I'd much rather people just give me information about it, or tips on how best to keep myself informed without a TV licence, instead of hoping that I'll swear vengeance on the subreddit.

[–]LowestKarmaRecord [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You've shown willfull ignorance. I dont want people like that deciding our future.

[–]the_commissaire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah you missed it, the 'leave' won by a small margin. Most people haven't noticed the repercussions yet.

[–]handmadeby 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can't tell if you're being funny or ignorant...

[–]Patrik333 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ignorant - I heard about the referendum from my dad last week, but I'd forgotten about it completely until I read the above comment.

I read Reddit, but /r/Worldnews and /r/Unitedkingdom are pretty much the only news subreddits I sub to out of tens or even hundreds. I don't have a TV licence, and I never remember to visit the BBC website or any newspaper websites, so unless I happen to see the news when I visit my parents, or I hear a story through a friend/my parents, I'm almost 100% ignorant of all news stories these days.

[–]handmadeby 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Election day is 23rd June. You'll most likely have to register first.

If you look at /r/unitedkingdom even once a week then you probably won't be able to avoid it to be honest :D