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[–]jphert12friedmanite 257ポイント258ポイント  (27子コメント)

feelthejohnson

[–]Amida0616 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

Big Johnson goverment.

Economic liberty in the front, Personal Freedom in the rear.

[–]halr9000 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should produce campaign ads for a living.

[–]rspeedprobably grumbling about LINOs 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh wow… back when dank memes only existed as t-shirts.

[–]halr9000 32ポイント33ポイント  (8子コメント)

Hmm, not so sure about this slogan. Let's keep brainstorming, yeah? :)

[–]RandyxMarsh 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

ridethejohnson ?

[–]Shanesanbig gov't may be worse than big buisiness, but we have both 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

allAboardTheJohnson

[–]f00f_nyc 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about something about reduced government? Something like, "There's so much of government, let's throw most of it out! Johnson 2016."

That's probably too wordy for a slogan, though, and it needs to be a little punchier. Oh, I got it: "Johnson: Just the tip!" How would you feel about that?

[–]GEAUXUL 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

hahahaha, I just burst out laughing in a quiet waiting room. Thanks asshole.

[–]pickaxe121ancap 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

Petersen2k16

[–]ThinkFirstThenSpeak 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

He rejects the NAP. No thanks.

[–]Nepata 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

So does Paul. Realistically, a candidate who supports the NAP will never win. But a Libertarian is almost always better than the alternative. I do agree that Johnson is the best Libertarian running now.

[–]liquidserpent 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry, what's NAP?

[–]pickaxe121ancap 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Non aggression principle. It's a fundamental part of libertarianism, because it denies the initiation of force against another party.

[–]halr9000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worth googling! The non aggression principle makes you think hard about the "means to an end" with regards to state actions.

[–]-Shank- 109ポイント110ポイント  (16子コメント)

Not that surprising, his polling numbers at the caucuses were only going to go down. Easily the best GOP candidate, I have very little interest in any of the others.

[–]jdepps113 15ポイント16ポイント  (11子コメント)

He placed 5th in Iowa, New Hampshire is only a week away. Might have been worth it to see what happens there. If he got 4th or better, he'd have been making traction--and I think it's entirely possible.

[–]forlackofabetterword 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

I know he'll be around next election, which I'm happy about, so I'm guessing he was happy with his Iowa finish and wanted to stop before he went full O'Malley or something

[–]TheBeardedMarxist 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

You must be high.

[–]jdepps113 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not saying likely, but possible. Polling is less accurate than it's ever been, and NH is the "Live Free or Die" state where the Free State Project means there is a significant chunk of libertarian-minded people who probably were Rand's ground game and might have been doing a better job than we know.

It was worth waiting 6 days to see.

[–]jmdollConstitutionalist 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah and New Jersey is the Garden State. Nicknames don't mean much

[–]Taylor1391 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People in the "Live Free or Die" state were none too happy about his "personhood" bill in his home state. Rand needs to learn this is what happens when you pander to the lowest common denominator. Hopefully he'll learn and do better next election.

[–]gloworm22 355ポイント356ポイント  (56子コメント)

Can I just say ... this is a good thing.

He was not getting much traction this election and he is facing a serious challenge in his Senate race. We NEED him in the Senate, where he is one of the few voices that stand up for principles of limited government, constitutional authority, and privacy.

[–]xMEDICx 37ポイント38ポイント  (37子コメント)

What's going on with his senate race? He's not in trouble, is he?

[–]gloworm22 88ポイント89ポイント  (34子コメント)

It is a reliably red state, but he is fighting a popular mayor with deep pockets to self-finance his race, so nothing is assured. Better to have him start focusing on this contest than distracted for the next few months.

[–]mracidglee 51ポイント52ポイント  (3子コメント)

Probably his dad advised him to play the long game.

[–]ghostofpennwast 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

I am gay and not that I encourage homophobia, but the mayor of louisville is gay and it is a statewide race .

It is likely the state is too red/conservative for a gay to be elected which is net good for Rand even if he isn't playing dogwhistle politics.

There are plenty of self funded quixiotic campaigns .

[–]The_Dok 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not Louisville, it's Lexington. And I'm not too worried. I work in politics in Kentucky, and it has been turning ASTOUNDINGLY red. Mitch McConnell, who the state just can't stand, won in a landslide.

[–]eletherosGun toting social, sexual, and political deviant 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Democrats will not allow a Democrat to run only self-financed in Senate races 2016.

They only have to win 5 seats away from Republicans, they are going to put every dollar into doing so.

[–]krysatheo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah he kind of is, should be ok now that he can focus on it though.

[–]walterwhite413 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

He could start campaigning in October and still win easily. They haven't elected a democrat to the senate in 24 years, and Rand's only opponent is gay. I don't see how Rand couldn't win

[–]LibertyTerpfriedmanite 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bull. Ron Paul created a movement simply by being on television in the debates dozens of times. We need libertarian leaders being heard by millions of people. I wish he would have stayed in just one more week so he could be in the Feb 6th debate. Or would he not make the cut? In that case I have no argument with dropping out.

Edit: Paul is currently tied for 7th in the national polls, but only 0.6% behind Christie. If another poll came out by February 6th he had maybe a 25% chance of jumping into 6th place and making the debate.

[–]tsacian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The "challenge" in his Senate race is not at all serious.

[–]FSBlueApocalypselibertarian party 99ポイント100ポイント  (40子コメント)

Guess I'm replacing my Rand yard signs with Gary Johnson signs when I get home from work

[–]8_Bit_Armada 99ポイント100ポイント  (37子コメント)

Bernie supporters, on the other hand were able to replace their signs with Hillary signs during the day for some reason.

[–]XDingoX83Do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kek

[–]OnNom 26ポイント27ポイント  (33子コメント)

Bernie and Hillary were 0.3% apart from eachother in Iowa. Bernie keeps his near-tie number of delegates.

[–]Addestratore 19ポイント20ポイント  (30子コメント)

Yea, but there has been many instances of voter fraud recorded tipping things in Hillary's favor. How many of them were not recorded?

[–]qp0nnaturalist 64ポイント65ポイント  (27子コメント)

Didn't democrats use to tell us there was no such thing as voter fraud?

[–]mntgoat 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Personally I think there is probably voter fraud but not from illegal immigrants like the Republicans in Kansas seem to think. I mean what illegal immigrant on their right mind is going to expose themselves like that, most of them try to stay out of trouble as much as possible so they won't get deported.

[–]BronzedWarGod 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

This made me chuckle.

Hillary is like the 2016 version of a female Nixon, in many ways.

[–]fakenate28 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did Nixon commit vote fraud when he ran against Kennedy or Humphrey or McGivern?

[–]jdepps113 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Other way around, actually. There was fraud on the Kennedy side in 1960 which is possibly why he squeaked out a victory.

People talk shit about Nixon being paranoid...it didn't come from nowhere.

[–]Mister_Alucard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There isn't. This was election fraud, different thing.

[–]Addestratore 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't exist when it is used against Republicans. This time it was against a socialist/Democrat so it happened.

[–]price1869govt is the opiate of the masses 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice! Feel the bern.

[–]thebigstrongman2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thankfully I already have a don't tread on me sticker to cover my rand sticker on my car

[–]Esthynvote for locke 199ポイント200ポイント  (37子コメント)

Damn. The GOP lost a good candidate.

[–]IBlazeMyOwnPath 238ポイント239ポイント  (36子コメント)

*Their best

[–]pickelsurprise 147ポイント148ポイント  (12子コメント)

* The only one not advocating more war or theocracy.

He was the only one in the entire party I would have voted for. I don't think I can bring myself to vote for any of the others. Third party it is...

[–]jdepps113 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

He was the only one in either major party that I would have voted for.

BUT even though he's definitely no libertarian, I might consider voting Bloomberg if he runs as an independent. Not as an ideal candidate or anything close to it, but he's better than Trump, Cruz, Bernie, or Hillary...lesser evil and all that.

If Johnson would have legitimate shot at winning, I'd clearly vote for him. I'm just looking at the potential for damage-mitigation mode. Vote in the centrist who at least isn't crazy, over the theocrats, corrupt-o-crats, socialist knucklehead, or the xenophobic whackjob.

[–]huntwhales 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't vote to try to sway an election. You never will. Even if the vote came down to 1 vote, a recount would be held and the number changed. Eventually judges would decide which count will stick. Strategic voting is pointless. Vote for who you feel good voting for. I'd feel good voting for Gary Johnson. I have no delusions of changing the election outcome, neither should you.

[–]jdepps113 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Any one of us won't change it. But if we all think like you, that does make a difference.

[–]pumpyourstillskin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bloomberg?? He's the face of Nanny State politicians

  • Supports the war on drugs
  • One of the top anti-gun figures in the country
  • Supports higher minimums on mandatory sentences
  • Supports a DNA and fingerprint database of every American
  • Banned 16 ounce sodas
  • Banned trans fats
  • Banned smoking cigarettes practically everywhere, and imposed enormous sin taxes
  • Supports the PATRIOT Act
  • Gave enormous property tax breaks to banks, and proudly did so

[–]Torchiestminarchist 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bloomberg?! He represents the worst of the nanny state.

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    [–]sketchy_at_best 23ポイント24ポイント  (15子コメント)

    I think Rubio could win a general election potentially. I don't like Rubio, but I think he is viable.

    EDIT: Since the guy above me deleted his comment, the gist of it was that Rand was the only viable candidate.

    [–]kaydaryl 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Rubio and Paul are the only candidates my Bernie-loving friends are afraid of.

    [–]Johknee5 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Why would they be afraid of Rubio or Paul? Neither of them are close to were Bernie is? Besides, Paul (wont suggest Rubio) is as close to Bernie's viewpoints as any one else on that stage. I'd think they would be accepting of Paul.

    [–]XanthosDeia 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The most important part of Bernie's platform to most of his supporters (his economic ideas) are directly at odds with Rand Paul's and most libertarians' views.

    However, what's most important to many (not necessarily most) Paul supporters or other libertarians are civil libertarian and non-interventionist ideas, which Bernie Sanders largely shares.

    Hence why I'll actually be caucusing for Sanders. There's no chance his economic package passes a hostile Congress, but he can actually do things regarding the NSA and foreign policy. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson in the general election though, since a vote for R or D wouldn't make a difference in the state I'm in anyway.

    [–]LarryO_907 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think im with you, I only supported Rand but without him there the only other HONEST candidate is Bernie. even though it goes against all of my financial beliefs about how to run this country. Id rather see an honest man take that office than any of the fucking snakes running...on both sides...

    [–]IlllllIIlllIIllIIIII 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    MRW the "viable" candidate gets 1% amongst his own party. Guess words don't mean anything anymore. Spoon response summation.

    [–]Rowlf_the_Dog 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How is Rand Paul more viable than the other republican candidates?
    In the head to head polls he doesn't preform well at all.

    [–]ElranzerMinarchy, not Theocracy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    * Their only good

    [–]Bronc27 109ポイント110ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Voting Gary Johnson it is

    [–]evidicalibertarian party 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

    That's been my plan all along.

    [–]Beane666 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Same here, but now I have no decent choice for the primaries.

    [–]spasm01 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I mean plenty of us knew we'd be likely voting Gary in the presidential election, but I know I really wanted to be able to pull dat lever for Rand at least in the primary

    [–]kuphinit 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Crazy how fast things change in 24 hours in the Political landscape.

    [–]Shmoop12 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah, he was a front runner yesterday.

    [–]kuphinit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know you're being facetious. But I was mostly referencing the post that was posted here yesterday saying his campaign was moving full speed ahead.

    [–]TCall126 45ポイント46ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Going libertarian party now. Austin Petersen or Gary Johnson for me

    [–]majorpaynei86 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Peterson is a douchenozzle

    [–]steves850 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Peterson is a douchenozzle

    As someone who isn't as aware of Peterson, why do you say this?

    [–]yunk3r 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Im not sure what it is about him but he just doesnt seen like a good guy. He also did a live stream at a Bernie rally and he didn't do a good job debating them.

    [–]FormerlyFlintloxHoppean 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'd say he's better than Gary "bomb kony" Johnson.

    [–]jmdollConstitutionalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And Johnson was a big death penalty guy back in his NM days

    [–]DeadPrez1 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I don't understand though. He seemed so sure of himself that he would continue. Damn. I wish he stayed in so I could at least watch him in the debates.

    [–]spencer4991Classical Liberal(ish) 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It could be any number of things. It could be an anti-Trump move, maybe he was out of money, or he just saw the writing on the wall (as unfortunate as it is).

    [–]DeadPrez1 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I've been reading that it may be due to a tight Senate race back in his hometown.

    [–]spencer4991Classical Liberal(ish) 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's a possibility too. I'd hate to lose his voice in the Senate because he was to stubborn to drop out of the primary.

    [–]libbylibertarianBig Johnson 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

    FFS I wonder if this has anything to do with challenge to his Senate seat...why not at least wait for NH? Fuck it, Gary or bust!

    [–]nanowerx 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Yeah, fully expected him to see how NH went. Isn't their one more debate for NH too?

    [–]libbylibertarianBig Johnson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yep....very odd.....will be interested to hear the actual reasoning.

    [–]The_Dok 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think the debate in NH was thinking of cutting him, anyway

    [–]GUNS_AND_MUSCLESMake America Great Again 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Rand Paul is much more dynamic as a senator than he would be in the oval office. He will continue to fight the good fight, I'm sure.

    [–]DarkChance11 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All we have is Gary Johnson now

    [–]qp0nnaturalist 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Was voting for Gary anyways after the primaries. We really need to be diligent about saying no to both parties.

    [–]shiftyeyedgoatlibertarian party 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

    As someone who voted for Johnson in 2012, I have fully stood behind Rand thus far; I supported him and his fundamental ideology -- if not some of the quirkier social ideas.

    Rejecting a party itself is futile until the fait accompli of the voting system is fixed. The best praxis one can truly hope to accomplish is supporting a candidate in a major party who can hope to change the major party towards his ideology.

    The problem is that there are just too few libertarians in the face of authoritarians in today's society; we are simply a tiny minority of ideologues fighting against tyranny, when most others don't care.

    [–]LibertyTerpfriedmanite 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So how do you get the two parties to destroy the two party system?

    I think it would take a celebrity or once in a generation type of 3rd party candidate to win the Presidency and maybe 10% of the seats in Congress. Then they agree to ally with whichever party will change the voting system to ranked voting, putting that party in charge of Congress.

    [–]shiftyeyedgoatlibertarian party 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Switching from first past post to proportional voting, for one; the system is inherently rigged to support the two major parties in power using a combination of legal tricks, voting momentum, social opinion and futilism to drive performance of establishment candidates.

    [–]XDingoX83Do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Can I draw a giant penis on my ballot?

    [–]FivebyFive 106ポイント107ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I think that counts as a vote for Trump unfortunately.

    [–]thick1988autarchist 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Could also count for Hillary.

    [–]pickelsurprise 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Unless it's Bill's penis.

    [–]DingleberryPancakes 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Its a vote for Monica then?

    [–]drayb3[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just reported by CNN a few minutes ago.

    [–]HellhoundsOnMyTrail#FeeltheJohnson2016 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It makes sense, really.

    I listen to NPR and they have rarely, if ever, mentioned his name. Even claiming yesterday that all the former Ron Paul supporters went to Ted Cruz (I lol'd)

    I hope he runs again and takes some more pages out of how his father was able to get such passionate support. I have some hope that we can get a good candidate to the mainstage. Just won't be this time around.

    [–]Nepata 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All of the former Ron Paul supporters DID go to Cruz. Almost all of the districts in Iowa that Ron Paul won in 2012 voted for Cruz on Monday. The libertarians who voted for Ron Paul either supported Rand, or a Libertarian candidate. The Republicans who voted for Ron Paul went to Cruz.

    [–]chrisp1992Left Wing Libertarian 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Was listening to On Point yesterday on NPR, and they even mentioned Jeb, who did much worse than Rand, but they didn't mention Rand at all. So frustrating.

    [–]helly1223I"M NOT A LABEL, IM A FREE MAN 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

    This is very disheartening, I honestly thought he had a shot.

    [–]aakksshhaayy 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Had a shot? Oh come on. 2012 Ron Paul was more likely

    [–]realcoolguy9022 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Ron Paul had something amazing going. It's too bad his vision wasn't well enough conveyed to the populace. Although it'll also likely be the last usage of blimps during a campaign.

    [–]Wolfs_Claw 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Although it'll also likely be the last usage of blimps during a campaign.

    Don't give Jeb's consultants any ideas - they've still got eight digits of super PAC funds to burn.

    [–]jdmercredi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    too bad his vision wasn't well enough conveyed to the populace

    His son could have fixed that with some eye surgery.

    [–]toowm 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I think this was very shortsighted. Not that he would win the primary, but he would have done better in New Hampshire than the polling, just like in Iowa. I expected 4th and maybe even 3rd. Better to drop out after an upswing with a decent NH showing.

    [–]Rickster885 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Could've gone the other way too. He beat out Bush, Kasich, and Christie in Iowa, but all 3 are putting a lot of effort into NH. It's probably going to be their last stand before they pull out and endorse Rubio.

    [–]BronzedWarGod 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

    TL;DR: How is Rand's message not viable? I'll vote for the LP again unless my vote against Hillary or Bernie is needed.

    Here's what I want to understand. Why is Bernie's message so viable in this political climate, but Rand's is not? (and I suppose I know the answer and it frustrates me)

    I have a friend who I was giving Rand quotes to, under the guise of being Bernie quotes. He ate them all up... and then I gave him the big reveal... and it was all about how Bernie is going to help people. Is the role of government perceived by so many millenials and younger folks to be that of "provide comfort?" Is that the fundamental difference? "Protect us from force and fraud" has been tossed aside. Positive rights are all the rage. The GOP at large really is only less progressive (who in the GOP wants to abolish minimum wage? who wants to really create a free market for health related services? who in the GOP really wants to promote individual liberties (e.g. kill the TSA or NSA)? who wants to keep local money local rather than sending it to washington to be laundered and shrunk before returning it?).

    oh well. my state is RED. If the GOP candidate has more than a 5 point lead in the polls, which is almost certain, then I'll again pull the lever for the LP (ad I did starting with Andre Marrou in 1992). If the highly improbable happens and the Dems have a 5 point lead, then I will do the same. It's that middle 10% where I'd have to vote for the GOP to defeat either Sanders or Hillary that i'm concerned with.

    [–]KnifehandHolsters 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

    We are coming out of a recession in which a lot of busyjobs were lost and not replaced. Younger people are also coming out of college with tens of thousands in student loans and many can't seem to find employment in those busyjobs in offices anymore and end up unemployed or underemployed. Enter politician making promises to do away with or alter significantly things that are drags on your life...namely paying for college. Talk of fair and equal and human right this and that. It's a cult of empowering personality. The issue is what appeals to them now, in the current financial situation, may not appeal to them a few years from now. When they get a better job and all these freebies have to be paid for and, say, they aren't netting all that much more despite an increase in gross salary. See the gripes about ACA and the increases in premiums/reductions in benefits to cover the cost of an influx of subsidized users. We are all "someone else" to someone else. When "someone else" or the "wealthy" or "those with more" are tapped to pay, sometimes the line in the sand falls further down than one thinks and suddenly you're that someone else.

    The best but hardest thing to do right now is bring levity and logic to the claims he is making. There doesn't seem to be any plan, just an idea bomb thrown out on the campaign trail that has blown up into a groundswell of support. But, nothing is free so who exactly will pay? How many are in this defined group? What is the total cost? What other things may be impacted by it that might cause some problems as unintended consequence?

    [–]BronzedWarGod 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's not just the "cult of empowering personality." It is also the idea that comfort is the goal. That "the government is supposed to provide comfort."

    [–]KnifehandHolsters 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    These are my thoughts based on my own observations: This steps into the cultural shift aspect of a part of this generation. Hover parents that planned their every move and shielded from consequence. Where everyone wins to protect feelings and puts merely showing up at the same level as success. Parents more friends than authority figures. Parents that, instead of guiding their kids into the world, are totally ok with keeping them under wing well into adulthood. They've been raised comfortably which is why when they finally do complete college with some random degree and a pile of debt, adulthood slaps them in the face. Bernie is just selling the comfort of their childhood as it relates to the adult world they weren't necessarily prepared for adequately. Same reason colleges are bending to social pressures on stuff that was brushed off as ignorance a decade ago, trampling free speech in the process. They're having to provide that parental comfort to their customers.

    [–]ailurus1 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Just heard it on the radio, only link I can find is here. Doesn't seem to be any official announcement yet though.

    [–]drayb3[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Looks like he'll be speaking soon.

    [–]Nepata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He did post a thank you video on twitter. It didn't actually say he was dropping out, but it was heavily implied.

    [–]Anal_Vacuum 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Damn. I'm independent but Rand was by far my favourite Republican candidate. He was the only one who actually talked with sense.

    [–]ntb213Bernie Sanders 2016 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    While I obviously don't agree with everything he believes, you all have lost a voice of reason in the GOP primaries. Its really unfortunate more right-wingers don't recognize his ideas. I looked up to Ron Paul while in high school and by extension, I supported Rand for a while. Hopefully Gary Johnson can sway people to move away from the extreme right. Best of luck to you all!

    [–]youraveragebassistVote Gary Johnson 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Jeb's ass better drop then too

    [–]Nepata 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Oh he will soon enough. It doesn't make any sense to continue with such low numbers, but I imagine he will wait till after New Hampshire.

    [–]NJ_Yankees_FanDon't blame me, I voted for Kodos 29ポイント30ポイント  (74子コメント)

    Try again in 2020 after Bernie Sanders wrecks the economy further. Maybe then the voters will be willing to try freedom.

    [–]CitizenCain 26ポイント27ポイント  (9子コメント)

    "In eight years, after [president] wrecks the economy further. Maybe then the voters will be willing to try freedom."

    Uhuh. I heard that 8 years ago. And 16 years ago. And 24 years ago. And 28 years ago. And ...

    [–]HarryWaters 72ポイント73ポイント  (49子コメント)

    No, the solution will be more government.

    The voters have no interest in freedom. The majority of people want free stuff, bullying, and they don't care about the cost. Someone else will always pay it.

    [–]habba_dasha 16ポイント17ポイント  (24子コメント)

    How do we change this? It's so sad that over two-hundred years ago many people lost their lives in the name of creating a free state and now it is all being washed away.

    [–]fieryseraph 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "I regret that I am now to die in the belief, that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776, to acquire self- government and happiness to their country, is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be, that I live not to weep over it. If they would but dispassionately weigh the blessings they will throw away... they would pause before they would perpetrate this act of suicide on themselves, and of treason against the hopes of the world."

    -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Holmes (22 April 1820), on the issue of the Missouri Compromise

    [–]Disgruntor[score hidden] 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

    You say it worked 200 years ago? Hmmm...

    [–]TwoChainsDjango 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It only worked briefly, and now here we are. Violent revolutions don't work.

    [–]habba_dasha 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    What do you mean?

    [–]Disgruntor[score hidden] 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

    How do we change this?

    I wonder...

    over two-hundred years ago many people lost their lives in the name of creating a free state

    ... it might just be crazy enough...

    [–]habba_dasha 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

    [–]kerouacrimbaud 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Tyrannicide was a virtuous act in the Roman Republic, but in the end it yielded them an emperor.

    [–]pickelsurprise 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think "Star Wars" is going to be a more accessible example for most people in this day and age...

    [–]sploich 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tyrannicide would be an amazing title for a movie about dinosaur wars.

    [–]Nepata 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's happened many times throughout the course of history, and it will happen many times more. Thus is the political cycle. States almost always move from the "right" (open markets and liberty) to the "left" (controlled markets and limited liberty), until the system becomes unsustainable and collapses. Then the cycle repeats.

    [–]IBlazeMyOwnPath 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Don't forget bombing people far away! They like that too

    [–]Cornholio4 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is the problem. Far too many people are under the impression that we need to be heavily involved in every conflict around the world. After the Paris attacks, a large majority of the US has decided that we should just bomb the Middle East to oblivion without thinking about the consequences.

    [–]Mister_Alucard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You like having roads right?

    [–]smashy_smashy 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Honest question, what is Bernie going to be able to accomplish assuming congress remains red if he were president?

    [–]Zifnab25Filthy Statist 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Wow. Bernie won the general already? :-p

    The best thing that can happen to the GOP is an economic recovery. Republicans need to point to a budget surplus so they can start talking about "giving money back", because pointing to a deficit and saying "we need to cut social security and medicare" hasn't been much of a winning campaign strategy.

    [–]Cornholio4 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Giving what money back? A budget surplus just means we can expand the military even further, right?

    [–]Zifnab25Filthy Statist 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No reason we can't raise military spending AND cut taxes.

    Just ask Dick "Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney.

    [–]Cornholio4 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Touche. It's just sickening that so much of the GOP hates on the Democrats for wanting to expand social spending and raising taxes while all the GOP wants to do is massively expand military spending and cut taxes.

    [–]Zifnab25Filthy Statist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I mean, the truth is that Democrats don't really want to raise taxes. They want to change the balance of tax collection.

    Republicans, likewise, don't really want to lower taxes. They also want to change the balance of tax collection.

    Hell, we even see it around /r/Libertarian, when people talk about moving to a national sales tax and alternative non-income tax schemes. The goal isn't to eliminate tax revenues, it's to shift the burden from one group and onto another.

    [–]DrSandbagsBleeding Heart Libertarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    People will blame Republican congressmen, just like in 2012.

    [–]NJ_Yankees_FanDon't blame me, I voted for Kodos 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Honestly, he's probably just going to focus on getting re-elected to the Senate, because the GOP will attempt to have an establishment candidate primary him.

    [–]Nepata 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Last I checked there are no Republicans running against him in Kentucky.

    [–]4xstyleLiberty built civilization 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Its been proven people vote for the taller candidate. Rand is like 5'6 The average height of a US president has been 5 ft 10.7 inches and 5 ft 11.6 inches since 1900.

    [–]pm_your_huge_chodeSnowdenSupporter 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Damn. Fuck this, I'm voting for Trump in hopes he completely blows up Washington. Or maybe he's actually crazy enough to make america great again, maybe.

    [–]zip99 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Don't vote.

    [–]pm_your_huge_chodeSnowdenSupporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I meant that in a half joking manner, but I probably won't be voting now anyways.

    [–]Nepata 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Trump is probably more Libertarian than most people realize. He will just say whatever he needs to to get elected. Go listen to him talk about stuff when he was younger. He was adamantly anti drug prohibition and pro free market. I seriously doubt he will actually go through with (and believes) half the bullshit he says, especially the trade tariffs against China seeing as though that would fuck up the whole global economy.

    [–]Redditz14 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He's about to have his time as senator suspended too if he doesn't get to campaigning. Lexington's mayor is coming after him hard.

    [–]treetop82 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What the fuck... So much for voting this cycle.

    [–]DragonEevee1libertarian party 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Welp I guess I'm voting third party or not at all this election

    [–]jp007 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Trumped :( I think things could have been a lot different if Trump never entered the ring. Seems like Rand's campaign was just about to bloom, there was a lot of attention around his congressional filibusters, etc, and then suddenly the Trump show comes to town, totally dominates the media circus, and Paul gets completely ignored.

    [–]Nepata 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Who knows what would have happened. It's not good to speculate as it gets us no where. I wouldn't say that Paul has been ignored, he has still gotten a decent amount of media attention compared to his father. I don't think it would have been any better with or without Trump in that regard.

    [–]HelluvaNinjineer 5ポイント6ポイント  (27子コメント)

    Well that escalated quickly.

    So we likely get Trump/Cruz vs Sanders. Ugh, fuck.

    [–]HarryWaters 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I think Cruz/Rubio. Trump hit his ceiling. I wish the early states ranked votes so we could see who voters really like and dislike. I think 70% of Iowans would take Bush/Rubio/Cruz over Trump.

    [–]socoamaretto 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Sanders has zero chance. It's Rubio v. Clinton, guaranteed.

    [–]Banecn 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yup, Rubio is the new Republican establishment boy since Jeb is a flop and the southern states will not vote for Sanders.....

    [–]IndyCounselor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Agreed, and if I were betting I would bet on Rubio pulling out the win.

    [–]ImagineAllTheKarmaminarchist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Do you really think Sanders can beat Clinton?

    [–]soupynoodle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So we know there's not a chance in hell Johnson will win. Aren't we shooting for 4% of the popular vote or something?

    [–]Grumpi83 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Candidates like Paul are the only real hope for America in the long run.

    [–]jphert12friedmanite 0ポイント1ポイント  (25子コメント)

    I'm almost starting to lean towards trying to get Trump the GOP nomination. I think he could really split the entire GOP down the middle allowing for somebody like Gary Johnson or Austin Petersen to scoop up a chunk of the sane vote from the GOP.

    [–]CitizenCain 8ポイント9ポイント  (19子コメント)

    That would mean our next president, who will get to appoint 3 SCOTUS justices, would be either Trump, Clinton or Sanders. There are probably worse possibilities, but I'm having trouble coming up with any at the moment, and it certainly seems like there are more direct, and much quicker ways to force an armed insurrection against the feds. :/

    [–]Ariakkas10I Don't Vote 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Worse? That smarmy fuck Cruz, or crazier than a shithouse rat Carson to name just two who would be worse

    [–]CitizenCain 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    You really think Cruz would be worse than Trump? (And by the way, in what way is Trump not a "smarmy fuck" as well?) Sure, Cruz would be bad, but I don't think he'd be worse than Trump. Carson, sure... but he's got as much chance of becoming POTUS as I do.

    [–]Ariakkas10I Don't Vote 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Trump is a populist. As soon as the primaries are done he will run to the center. Trump is trolling

    Cruz is the definition of smarmy. Cruz believes his own bullshit.

    [–]R_HakIndividualist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Lol. I also believe Cruz is worst than Trump, but. Both of them are fake. And sice Cruzmpretends to be a conservative he is the fakest...

    [–]Nepata 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    You realize that Cruz's voting record aligns very heavily with Libertarian ideology right? So by saying that you are pretty much bashing Libertarians.

    [–]Ariakkas10I Don't Vote 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Lmao really?

    I would agree that his stance aligns with r/libertarian because this sub is full of a bunch of fucking conservatives who hate the word conservative

    Carpet bombing the middle east is not a libertarian principle.

    Closed borders is not a libertarian principle

    Banning gay marriage is not a libertarian principle

    Federal drug laws are not a libertarian principle

    Limiting abortion is not a libertarian principle

    So yeah. Cruz is as libertarian as this sub is

    [–]kidhumbeats 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Ted cruz is this years Romney. It should be Rand vs Trump. Honestly if Rand hadnt betrayed the trust of his father's support base back in 2012 he would have had Bernie like rallying behind him in 2016.

    Doug Wead and everyone else who said "Rand is playing the game needed to become president" were obviously way off. If he had been less compromising like his father i think he would have actually had a chance. Jesse Benton and Doug Wead and Rand were wrong to think they had to "play the game". It was an exercise in futility after all.

    [–]Nepata 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

    How can you say that? Cruz is NOTHING like Romney. Romney was much more moderate. He could probably pass as a moderate democrat. Cruz is extremely conservative. Also, Rand may have polled better and garnered more support if he was more like his father, but the media would just black him out again and the GOP would NEVER let him be their nominee. It would just fail like Ron Paul's campaign did. Why do something that you know will fail? He is in it for the long shot.

    [–]shifty1032231Rothbard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Might as well vote for Trump for laughs in the primary and vote Libertarian Party candidate in the general election.

    [–]bucket888 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is only a good thing if Ted Cruz plans on naming his as his VP.

    [–]TheGreatRayPape 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Now ya'll can go back to standing around with Rand.