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Donald Trump branded a 'fool', 'buffoon' and 'wazzock' by British MPs (abc.net.au)

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[–]Traceus 62ポイント63ポイント  (94子コメント)

Ah Britain, sweet Britain. Won't ban British citizens that left for Isis from coming back, but will ban Trump because he said mean things. I guess that don't really feel the need to ban trump they just want more votes next election.

[–]QuietDove 126ポイント127ポイント  (11子コメント)

Trump won't be banned. MP's don't have the power to ban people from the country, only the Home Secretary can do that. This debate was just responding to a petition, which parliament have to debate if it passes a certain number of signatures.

I guarantee it won't go any further than this.

[–]bs3ac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. The debate was attended by MPs willing to discuss the topic. No doubt those that attended wanted to make a point.

Trump will not be banned and it just goes to show the stupidity of some MP's, bad naming a potential electorate winner without realizing the implications it can have on UK:US relations.

[–]G_Morgan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

MPs do have that power. They won't rip up convention to do it though.

[–]Easytype 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

The top comment on this thread really needs to be pointing out this fact.

Parliament are obliged to debate any petition that gets sufficient support. Yes, half a million people signed it, but 99% of British people didn't.

We have 650 MPs, many of them representing an ultra progressive agenda, invariably a few of them will spout some crap but the vast majority respect his right to speak his views.

[–]marcoDX -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Parliament are obliged to debate any petition that gets sufficient support.

No

From https://petition.parliament.uk/help (my emphasis):

At 100,000 signatures your petition will be considered for a debate in Parliament.

[–]Juan_Downvote -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're not, though - they can choose to ignore a petition and not debate it if it reaches that level. See: Legalisation of cannabis and bombing Syria.

If anything, this shitshow makes a mockery of the system - it shows sympathy towards petitions and that they /actually/ do something, but it also shows they're more keen for having media coverage grabbing arguments than debating issues people are genuinely concerned about.

[–]Easytype 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're confusing the decision to debate with the decision to enforce.

They debated cannabis and Syria and now they're debating Trump, because that is the agreement.

They're not going to enforce legislation because less than 1% of the population signed a dumb petition.

[–]Juan_Downvote 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't aware they'd debated it - as far as I'd been told they had given this response: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/104349 and not held a debate?

[–]Reilly616 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

MP's don't have the power to ban people from the country, only the Home Secretary can do that.

That's entirely untrue. I have no idea where you would get an idea like that. Government Ministers derive their powers from law. The law is written by Parliament. Parliament in the UK is sovereign.*

*And no need to point out that the Sovereign is actually sovereign. Parliamentary sovereignty is the real deal. Her Madge's is window dressing.

[–]TheRandomRGU -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shame our secretary is a fascist witch who would get on great with Trump

[–]frymaster 59ポイント60ポイント  (6子コメント)

Won't ban British citizens that left for Isis from coming back

Of course not. Your government is ultimately responsible for you. We had a former pop star convicted in Thailand of doing things with underage girls and people were saying "how come we have to take him back? Why can't he stay over there?" Because they didn't want him! He's our mess and our responsibility. Same goes for British supporters of Isis.

[–]SinonSinonSinon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember that case with the women who came back from ISIS. British media acted as if she was a super brave hero.

[–]fragglemook [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Same goes for British supporters of Isis.

"British".

[–]rocket1615 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's worth noting that this debate happened due to 600,000+ UK citizens signing a petition for it.

Also, it was decided against banning him.

[–]lye_milkshake 382ポイント383ポイント  (46子コメント)

Ah America, sweet America. Actually considering electing Trump.

[–]SWAG_M4STER 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

YOU CANT STUMP THE TRUMP

[–]wind_stole_my_mat -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, he's a billionare, so he is successful, and promises to ban opportunistic economic migrants, who are unable to integrate, and are possible terrorists, from entering his country?

I'd vote for him, but I'm european. And trust me, after all we've been through recently, that ban on muslim immigration sounds very convincing.

[–]Goonerpannetto [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ah Britain. Is actually using 1984 as a guidebook for running their country.

[–]scubame7 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You say to the country with the most transparent government?

[–]jataba115 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump's just appealing to the LCD. He's written about it in his book about how to take over the media or whatever. The guy knows exactly what he's doing and that is probably 10 times scarier than anything he's said on this campaign trail. It kinda just comes down to America is in a nice sweetspot of being very weary of the media and its influence but pretty much uses it as their entire basis for their opinions and values. So they see this guy, saying brazen shit, getting people to listen, and therefore people talking about him, and just buy it. Remember, the genius may have the fools follow him, but only an idiot leaves the trail.

I mean, if we're real here, anybody with half a brain can easily suss this out, but I guess I am talking to a Brit here huh?

[–]Ancient_times 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it's a big deal to make someone stateless.

[–]themightyscott 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Won't ban British citizens that left for Isis from coming back.

Blowing them into a thousand pieces with bombs seems to be doing the trick.

[–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Won't ban British citizens that left for Isis from coming back

Because you can't revoke someones citizenship and leave them stateless, what you can do, and we do, is arrest and prosecute them.

The same applies to the USA.

but will ban Trump because he said mean things.

He wasn't. It's called democracy these things get debated. They got debated because 500000 people asked them to

[–]AdamskiFTW 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

but will ban Trump because he said mean things.

He's not banned nor going to be banned, maybe you missed that part?

[–]estranged_quark 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

but will ban Trump because he said mean things

Only two MPs actually wanted to ban Trump. Regardless, Cameron has the final say on the matter and he has already stated he has no intention of banning him.

[–]AdmiralRodney 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get your facts right before making idiotic comments whoring for karma

[–]Fallout2311 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are you even going on about you fool?

Did you even read the article? It already said MP's didn't vote on the issue and government already said it had no intention of banning trump as soon as the petition exploded.

Do you people just read the headline, comment and just hope what you said was correct?

Also, we do ban British ISIS members, which is, btw, illegal, since a country isn't allowed to make people stateless and ISIS is not a recognised state. Banning IS members is pointless, if we know who they are then they're not getting in anyway, and banning them just says that we recognise ISIS as a valid state, or at leas it does in their minds.

[–]jennydotz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, people are definitely just reading the headlines and commenting without reading the content. These people are the reason Donald Trump has gotten as far as he has. I had no idea there were so many of them.

[–]ABCDE_FC_3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know the petition was basically a joke, right? If a petition gets 100,000 signatures in the UK it has to be debated in parliament. Whether that petition is to make sure all parking attendants have to wear a dog turd on their head or something actually constructive it must go through a Parliamentary debate.

[–]mishka_shaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course we allow them to come back. Because they are a valuable source of information.

They step off the plane we detain them and interrogate them to know the names of the recruiters, suppliers, funds and base locations.

Why the hell would we let so much intel rot away if we can have it come to us.

[–]Frogad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Trump wasn't banned, did you read the article?

[–]Gaara_of_the_Baharma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

MPs be like

"Sweet! Saying Trump is a bafoon with totally get me votes with the hip youth at the next election in four years"

[–]GregPatrick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well he hasn't been banned at this point and they had to debate it. It gained enough signatures from the public that it had to be debated on the floor.

[–]popcornelephant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hasn't been banned, not doing it for votes, it's a mandatory debate after gov petitions gain over 100,000 signatures.

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except they don't have the power to do such a thing.

They are just debating it because that's the policy on petitions with enough signatures.

[–]Gymrat1010 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't ban your own citizens. They're citizens, which gives the right to unhindered entry

[–]Turbodeth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Won't ban British citizens that left for Isis from coming back,

Won't ban, but will imprison.

but will ban Trump because he said mean things

Didn't ban Trump, just debated it, because by British law any petition of over 100,000 signatures must be debated.

[–]listyraesder [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Won't ban British citizens that left for Isis from coming back

Quite hard to arrest them if you don't let them get back in.

[–]Schrute_Farms_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not even a trump supporter, but I find it hilarious that all the brits in this thread act like a large majority of Americans care what they think.

[–]jimmy17 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps that might be because making someone stateless is against international law. Banning someone from entering your country is not. A bit like how the USA banned Nelson Mandela from entering the USA.

[–]Satafly -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Won't ban British citizens that left for Isis from coming back

Good. If you did then citizenship would be completely meaningless.