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Thomas Sowell recently disappr(...) 01/17/16(Sun)22:07:01 No.61308954

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Thomas Sowell recently disapproved immensely of Donald Trump. Anonymous (ID: GTnhlp4i) 01/18/16(Mon)03:07:01 No.61308954 ▶

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How do you feel about this? And I'm asking this question of the well informed and those familiar with history and historical policies.

>>61308954 (OP)
I'm well-known in a certain community for being sowellian in my economics.

He's a neocon who misses the big picture we have with trump. i don't fault him for being too old to see the writing on the wall

Link:
https://youtu.be/sGYl17DiEwo?t=32m4s [Embed]

>This interview was done December of 2015.
Hoover Institution interviews Thomas Sowell.

>Relevant Part starts at minute 32:00

>>61309166
Well what is the big picture?

hes just hiding is powerlevel

I think Sowell is brilliant, and was the final step in my redpilling.

However, I'm voting Trump and there's nothing he can do about it

>>61309418
That libertarian principles and the glory of the Republic is never coming back, and the only hope we have as a country is nationalism and empire.

In short, Sowell is Cato and Trump is Caesar.

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>>61310085
>tfw

damn this made me feel

the jews trained him. of course he doesn't like Trump.

>>61310432
But trump supports Israel

>>61310085
P much this desu senpai. Things can only really happen in a certain order. Maybe classical liberalism can come back again within a hundred years, but things aren't likely to go BACKWARDS to freedom. There'll have to be an organic progression through various ugly stages first.

>>61308954 (OP)
but Jews and their puppets don't support Trump, it's one-sided

>>61310085

Honestly this. It's why we see so much criticism from old Ronnie P.

>>61308954 (OP)
>How do you feel about this? And I'm asking this question of the well informed and those familiar with history and historical policies.

Well if you read enough sowell you'll learn that he wants:

A) An experienced executor
B) An executor who's record can be examined
C) Someone who actually understands economics

He also says that when successful private sector executives enter public office, they are unable to repeat their success because the environment, incentives, and challenges are so different.

Also trump does not understand economics. I wish business administration would lend knowledge of economics, but it really doesn't.

>>61310656
he does outwardly. But I think all the Jews know that he's more aware (and immune) to their tricks than all other candidates.

>>61308954 (OP)
CAN'T STUMP

>>61310085
Damn...

>>61309925
this. i love Trump and am voting Trump. Been a fan of Sowell for years. But I prioritize Trump over anything Sowell tells us. Remember, no individual is an expert on all topics. Sowell knows economics but i don't think that means he's right on everything including politics right now.

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>>61310085
fuck...

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>>61310085
Fuck.

>>61310432
Sowell actually explains how jews advanced to the position they hold in our society.

A long time ago, like today, people hated financiers and bankers, and they also hated jews. Since the jews were hated regardless of what they pursued, their reputation couldn't get any worse, so they were comfortable with that line of work.

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>>61308954 (OP)
niggers gonna nig

thomas sowell is the #1 economic hit man for offshoring U.S. industry

Anytime someone suggests we protect infant industries in the U.S., the jews wheel out Sowell to make doom predictions about how the great depression was caused by the smoot-hawley tariff bill, which is a bullshit straw man.

tl;dr: Thomas Sowell is a neocon shill. Ignore him and profit

>>61311464
bullshit jew apologism

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>>61310085
You're right. I hadn't thought of how near-perfectly that lines up.

>>61308954 (OP)
Wow a nigger disagrees with Trump

So fucking what?

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>>61310085
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>>61309925
>the final step in my redpilling.
The ride never ends.

>>61312130
There's nothing in that opinion that's an apology

>>61312066
>Thomas Sowell is a neocon shill. Ignore him and profit
Neocoon, you mean.

>>61308954 (OP)
Thomas Sowell is only known for being a "smart" black person

>>61312651
the idea that people have always hated jews for no reason is complete bullshit.

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>>61310085
>how bitter the red pill really is
Based Anon, now that you have destroyed everybody's monday more than it already was going to be... ... tell us more things about things..

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>>61312066
>protectionism
>2016

>Smoot-Hawley Tariff
>not causing the Great Depression
>the president received a letter signed by 1,000 economists telling him to veto it

>>61312961
What do you want to know?

>>61310085
Ron Paul = Cicero?

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>>61310085
>Thomas Sowell
you should just go ahead and kill yourself right now.

you are literally deadweight

>>61312783

He never outright stated they were hated for no reason, just that they were hated whether they were doctors or bankers

On an unrelated note, I was just thinking about how one big solution to fixing America would be to have a economics and political knowledge test to weed out people who clearly shouldn't vote, and how it wouldn't be discriminatory because people could attain that knowledge for free

Then I watch a video with Sowell urging people who don't know shit to not vote

My nigga

>>61312783
That's not what was said. There's no attempt to explain why they were resented.

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>>61308954 (OP)
What's his opinion on King Carson?

Carson is the one true King
Trump will bend the knee

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>>61309294
See around 33 min
I love Sowell but he's wrong on Trump. Sowell talks about needing better tax system and regulatory reform. All Trump policies. Fits with Sowell's monograph on taxes.
Sowell needs to get on the Trump train.

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>>61313333
>Gets officially certified by Quads.

What I do I want to know?
I don't know what to ask.
I'll be selfish, What can you tell me to better my life? (be it money, success, health,etc)

Or tell us more about other things.. Like Hitler. Was he an angel from the skies?

Trump was a Democrat for most of his life and is the ultimate RINO in policy. You support him because...?

>>61313794
He doesn't talk about him on his townhall blog, at least since the republican nomination process started. Probably because ben carson is a doctor and has never held office.

The only one he approved of was bobby jindal

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>>61311296
Wait...what?
I'm a millennial.
Pls educate me on the pottery of this situation.

>>61313794
They mention Ben Carson actually in the same interview.

Basically, the conversation goes from that the leaders of any isolated group is essential what's holding back the group. So the Black leaders (isolated group) are holding back the blacks. So the interviewer says: So Ben Carson, not Al Sharpton, and he agrees.

This is the part:
>https://youtu.be/sGYl17DiEwo?t=28m10s [Embed]

>Minute 28:00

I butchered the words, so watch for yourself.

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>>61310085
>/thread

>>61313879
>implying Trump is qualified
>letting an authoritarian egomaniac with a wishy-washy incoherent ideology be president

>>61314418
Being a millennial has nothing to do with you being an uneducated rube.

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>>61310085

GOOD LUCK SPENGLER!!

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>>61310085

fuck

>>61315070
Is Decline of the West any good?

>>61314132
It's obvious to anyone with a brain that trump is a moderate. He's molded his positions to get elected under the republican nomination. He's a salesman. He chose the conservative vote because they respect success and strength. Conservatives will also put aside ideological and religious differences if it means we can have an asskicker president who takes shit from no one.

Even /pol/ is like this. Libertarianism has been replaced by nationalism on this board and trump fanned the flames. No one here seems to be concerned about authoritarianism and what happens when trump is replaced by a democrat down the road in backlash with expanded executive powers.

The retarded part is no competitor is pointing this out because it's impossible to really prove that trump hasn't really changed his mind. Instead Cruz made a retarded pass on new york and walked right into a campaign killer.

Honestly I like the moderate trump more than the fake conservative trump. I hope he ends the war on drugs and our interventionist foreign policy. I hope a lot of people on the left side of the isle like him, or else we are fucked in 2020.

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>>61310085
Yeah that's bullshit. Despotism a shit, back to the glory days, or break out of the decay.

>>61308954 (OP)
he is a libertarian
why wouldnt he?

>>61310085
So Cruz will be behind Trump's assassination

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>>61310085

>straw manning
>Lib detected

Trump supports and promotes a nation of laws, a republic, as a republican.

>>61308954 (OP)

>globalist libertarian dislikes a nationalist and a federalist

Who would have thought?

>>61315603
I'm afraid the era of the republic is over , if our Rome is to survive, she needs a great leader.

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>>61315813
He's more of a neocon.

>>61313879
haha, glad someone else noticed those guys

based whops

>>61310085

>That libertarian principles and the glory of the Republic is never coming back

You dumb fuck.

The only reason why this country is as strong as it is is because we adopted a nationalist economic system during our industrialization and expansion.

The whole "libertarian" bullshit is just a meme.

>>61315864
I'd say classical liberal with neocon sympathies.

>>61308954 (OP)

BASED Sowell doesn't like protectionism and populism

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>>61315864

meh, neoconservatism is simply a jingoistic evangelical, militaristic spin on neoliberal globalism.

In the end, they're just two sides of the same coin, forever spinning.

>>61315864
How is sowell a neocon?

I've heard him point out that congress, both democrats and republicans, hold just as much blame for the invasion of iraq as george bush. Sounds right to me, I saw them vote on that shit in junior high.

He thinks that it was a mistake to pull out of iraq against the advice of our generals.

He wants to stop iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

The first is true, the second requires a cost/benefit analysis that I can't even comprehend, and the third is the most rational position ever.

>>61308954 (OP)
Question. Has Sowell approved of the polices of any other candidate? I can't even name most of the R candidate plans, and there's no way he'd go for the D plans.

>>61316585
Not any main individual. He says The debates are indicators of a terrible direction we are going towards. It should be said that he did like Ben Carson.

see
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>>61315603
I honestly think he will he'd be a moron not to. He's killing it in the polls but he is butchered day and night on social media and MSNBC people are afraid to come out as Trump supporters because they see him as a radical right wing facist and racist.

Once he gets the nomination it will be a total switching of gears beyond his stated plans for the general election. I imagine border security will still remain his issue as well as the wall, the refugees will be refused until at least 6 months, and his tax policy will remain in tact. But what actually works to Trump's benefit are those "NY Values" which Cruz tried to undermine but will win him the general. He's been pro choice, he's been pro gay marriage, and he's been against basically every war that the US has entered since WWII.

He might finally be the rallying call to get a fiscal conservative with moderate social policies who isn't afraid to say how much he loves and appreciates this country without looking like he's lying through his teeth. That would kill any Democrat because all the Democrats have against Republicans is "they hate gays, muslims, blacks, etc." but if he can prove them unilaterally wrong and prove he's money smart its over.

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I like some of his books.

But he is just a negro that fell for the Trump racist meme and basing shit on that probably.

>>61313879
This. It sounds like Sowell doesn't really disagree with Trump's policies, rather with his personality

>>61315603
This.

>>61313137
The Great Depression started before that tariff was passed , and seeing as America always had tariffs previously I don't see how one could logically conclude it was the cause of the market crash.
Though of course tariffs aren't necessarily "protectionism"

>>61315603
good points. he's prob a moderate overall, though I'd say he defies the traditional American ideology spectrum.... he's a NATIONALIST. Thats so rare. Borders... winning trade deals.... we may never get a chance to vote for those things again so I could care less what he thinks of fags and abortions.

>>61317143
No he isn't, he clearly writes about how Trump's policies are bad and how he's immature.

Typical of a Trump supporter to talk out of one's ass tho tbqh senpai.

>>61308954 (OP)
Sowell>Trump

This is the nail in the coffin for me. First it was trump saying climate change is a conspiracy started by china. Then vaccines cause autism. Now Thomas Sowell says he is full of shit.

That is a wrap. Fuck trump

>>61316824
I think he likes him more as a stand out example that back leaders don't have to be cut from the same democrat welfare enabling block and can earn there way to success with the right attitude. I don't know how much he agrees with his policy nor with his decision to run for president.

>>61312066
>the great depression was caused by the smoot-hawley tariff bill, which is a bullshit straw man

Fight me faggot

>>61310085
Im a retard who went to public school. Someone explain to me the Cato and Caesar thing.

>>61308954 (OP)
>nigger

opinion discarded

>>61317207
Yup, Smoot-Hawley did nothing wrong. The Great Depression was entirely about monetary policy.

>>61317325
leave / google it

>>61317207
Yes, that's because Wall Street had its eye on congress. Depending on what was going on with the bill, Wall Street would shift accordingly. They all shat their pants before it was actually signed.

>>61317414
>nigger
okay now, there are niggers out there. But Sowell is not one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo [Embed]

>>61317268
>I can't think for myself

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>>61317680
>I think vaccines cause autism
>I think China made up climate change
>I think Thomas Sowell is dumber than trump
wew lad.

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>>61308954 (OP)
>Thomas Sowell
>A negro's opinion meaning anything
People seem to forget what board they're on

>>61317910
This fucker is the first to debunk feminism inequality myths in the 60s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo [Embed]

>>61317143
You don't know Thomas if you think he would resort to muh racism for disliking Trump. I think Tom values history and empiricism more than anyone I've ever followed.

>>61308954 (OP)
sowell's pretty genius.

but the open door of the free market isn't going to work in the modern geopolitical landscape.

he also looks at every human as equal value. giving +100 quality points to the billions of poor outside america is worth more than giving +100 quality points to americans, to him.

we can't lift people up through our trade, because we fuck it up with endless gibmedats, and they fuck it up by being incompetent.

we can't co-exist with cultures so wholly alien to our own that mutual respect is impossible and they're hell bent on eliminating those different than them.

>>61317268
I like that you like Sowell over Trump. Anyone should. But Trump didn't say vaccines themselves cause autism. He said the way they received do. I hate it when people mispresent what he said. In the first debate he clearly said "I am totally and completely in favour of vaccines".

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>>61317414
Sowell has argued many times that the degeneracy of blacks is due to welfare and the culture that surrounds it, as evidenced by the spike in poverty and crime among blacks following the advent of LBJ's supposed War on Poverty.

This is proven by the fact that there are possibly no blacks that aren't niggers unless they were born before 1965 or raised without welfare, preferably in poverty (see: Africans in the US outperforming black Americans economically).

>>61318184
>But Trump didn't say vaccines themselves cause autism. He said the way they received do
Yes, but it doesn't make a difference in your cognition. Vaccines are simplly weaken/dead virus/bacteria with a saline base. Vaccines should not be taken close together for risk of weakening immunity/risk for anaphylaxis.

No where, NO WHERE does it effect your learning. Needless to say cause autism.

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>>61318532
yeah, it's pretty dumb. trump thinks people should be able to opt out of vaccines because of autism fears. it's retarded.

...but on the other hand, clinton says that guns cause niggerness, and thinks no one should have guns.

so you gotta take some faults in any candidate.

>>61318532
>Vaccines should not be taken close together for risk of weakening immunity/risk for anaphylaxis.

Well nigga when you become vulnerable, anything could happen to you. You could become autistic because of another disease that would've otherwise been fought off. When you have aids, you die to a different disease because your white cells just don't do their job. So what the fuck are you jumping on? That shiit is reddit tier. Don't bring that up in here. Not to mention, he said I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOUR OF VACCINES. So that should fucking let you sleep at night.

>>61319030
>>61318969
So basically he wants people to able to opt out of vaccines if they want it? Isnt that a basic right? Saying no, I dont want my kids to be sucked into the government way of doing something because i believe this is superior, even if your way is retarded? Like homeschooling and Scientology.

>>61309294
>Thomas Sowell
good post, thanks.

I've been wondering why a lot of widely known conservative intellectuals have come out against Trump, and I think I figured it out:

Look at Shapiro's speech, and then Q&A at Mizzou a couple months ago and he says the Republicans will win because they always do when a foreign threat is of greater concern than social issues. Since then Clinton has bombed in public opinion polls, and Sanders realistically has no chance of winning whatsoever.

It's a pretty safe bet that the next president will be a Republican, so therefore the debate comes down to which one. The true election is the republican primary, and if conservatives are guaranteed the spot then of course they're going to elect the one whom they know and understand best (which is why they shill Cruz/Rubio so much), not a wild card like Trump.

In their eyes a divisive, unpredictable candidate like Trump is a liability to the party and won't be able to pass anything through Congress. This stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of his ideas and support and will not be rectified even when he receives the nomination, although the more intelligent ones will probably stop their dissent.

>>61317268
get a load of this shill....

>>61319030
If that's the case then why aren't AIDS victims contracting autism too? It's just weakened immunity, after all.

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>>61317245 >>61318132

I bet he thought Obama was an economic genius though. Maybe Bernie is also an economic genius.

20 trillion dollar debt will be saved by Socialist Bernie.

Sowell is out of touched with modern reality of shit.

Many people are great about writing about hypotheticals. Great at teaching hypotheticals.

But can't function in real economic world and make a dollar for themselves.

As good as Sowell is, at writing about economics, i doubt he could run 1 business himself. And I have one of his books to read.

Most often than not, those that write about economics, have not instincts for anything, and cant actually economics themselves. And thats a FACT. Not many "economic writers" can run a business, or become rich.

They only are good at talking about it. Not doing shit.

You want to make a country, or business run well. Hire somebody that knows how to make deals, how to hire actual business doers. Somebody who has a proven track record growing and making wealth, jobs, and businesses in diverse fields.

As good as Sowell is at EXPLAINING/writing about basic economics, i doubt he could make an Ebay comic selling business thrive. And thats the truth of 95% of all "economic" teachers at Harvard and the like.

>>61317325
Julius Caesar was a Roman prefect who rose to power during the Roman Republic by campaigning in Gaul. However he got more and more power hungry as he viewed the Senate as inefficient and corrupt. So he gradually put things into motion whereby he ended up as "dictator" (a Roman title referring to a despot they would elect when in grave danger to run all affairs for a short time). However, he declared he was dictator for life, much to the dismay of many Senators, Cato especially.

All of this culminated with the Ides of March plot, where several senators, including Caesar's long time friend, Brutus, stabbed him in the Senate Hall.

Afterwards, a massive civil war ensued between Antony (a loyal servant of Caesar), Augustus (Caesar's adoptive nephew, who would go on to become Caesar Augustus, the first Roman Emperor), and Brutus and those loyal to the conspirators.

After the fire settled, Octavian, now calling himself Caesar Augustus, emerged as sole ruler of Rome, which was transformed from a republic into an empire.

>>61319466
>the study of economics has anything to do with business management

Congrats on being retarded.

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>>61319161
Yes faggot. The government is not and cannot be the entity to correct parenting. If your parents are dumb enough to not give you vaccines when they should've, there are bigger problems. The democrats are the pseudo- intellectuals that try to cure cancer with band-aids. But of course, saying the government shouldn't do anything, doesn't make you a hero or get you votes. Are you finally catching up on the trend?

>>61308954 (OP)
All I heard was "glib ego maniac". Is there some point in this interview where he explains why Trump would be a bad president, especially in light of the other candidates? Is there somewhere where he qualifies what would make a good president, and what choice we have today?

Jesus, this kind of thing drives me nuts. So, who is the good choice? Show me the good choice that isn't owned by Goldman Sachs, or some kind of billionaire somewhere? At least Trump is HIMSELF a billionaire, and the only people he'll owe anything to will be the ones who elected him. How that doesn't appeal to all the Bernfags complaining about candidate being bought-out by billionaires, and tea partiers complaining about this and that...

Seems like the Left only really cares about the race and gender of the canidate, and most conservatives only care about whether the candidate is a fundie Christian. Both extremes in this country are fucking retarded, there are so many more problems that those concerns.

>>61319558
>transformed from a republic into an empire
Hold those horses man

Augustus was smart enough to know trying to declare himself sole ruler of Rome was what got Caesar killed.
Augustus ruled as Princeps Senatus (First Senator) For his lifetime.
As did every "emperor" after him until Diocletian, the first to bear the title of Imperator.
The period of pseudo-empire is know among historians as the Roman Principate

>>61319441
1) they do. Rarely, but they do.
2) almost all autism happens during major developmental phases of the brain. Hence the window of vaccine treatment. STOP REDDITING YOU FUK

>>61309294
I don't fault him for it, he would rather see an ideal president than any president. Trump is, however, what we need in the moment.

>>61319846
All I'm saying is that FDR wasn't autistic and Rainman didn't have polio

>>61319466
>I bet he thought Obama was an economic genius though.

He immediately says Obama is far far worst. Worst President than Carter. Don't fucking edge lord waiting to stand out. Watch the actual content. The link is provided + a time stamp. Your lazy ass has no excuse.

>>61317664
So they knew it was going to pass a year before it happened when we already had other tariffs on products?

It obviously had nothing to do with the Great Depression. Stop getting your information from ferris buellers day off

>>61319772
You're splitting hairs. His title was still Imperator, and while he called himself Princeps Senatus it doesn't change the fact that he was a de facto monarch and the Roman Republic had turned into the Roman Empire.

Augustus is widely accepted as the first Roman emperor. If not by name then by deed.

>>61319466
>As good as Sowell is, at writing about economics, i doubt he could run 1 business himself. And I have one of his books to read.
>Most often than not, those that write about economics, have not instincts for anything, and cant actually economics themselves. And thats a FACT. Not many "economic writers" can run a business, or become rich.
>They only are good at talking about it. Not doing shit.
>As good as Sowell is at EXPLAINING/writing about basic economics, i doubt he could make an Ebay comic selling business thrive. And thats the truth of 95% of all "economic" teachers at Harvard and the like.

Economics is not business administration and business administration is not economics.

>You want to make a country, or business run well. Hire somebody that knows how to make deals, how to hire actual business doers. Somebody who has a proven track record growing and making wealth, jobs, and businesses in diverse fields.

Also public office is not business administration.

>>61319466
You can shitpost about anything
but they are limits
you reached this limit

>>61315787
It doesn't really matter who gets in at this point, the US government is continuously making more and more strong moves towards dictatorship.

None of the candidates except perhaps Rand are going to give up powers that have been laid down step by step with every previous president.

This is a continuous process, so I don't think trump is going to go full dictator, but he will absolutely continue stepping up the ladder, and each president after him is going to do the same until we have finally sleep walked into the inevitable dictatorship.

>>61319697
Look this isn't a Trump is bad, vote for Bernie Sanders thread. I think Thomas Sowell is trying to bring you down to earth. Presidents were never meant to be super stars. The government was best, when government was the smallest. But if it makes you happy, I importantly mentioned that This is from December. Maybe, (probably not), Trump is a constitution guy, and not a ego-meniac authoritarian. Anyway, this is beyond your lil retarted world, which the fight is between Trump and Bernie Sanders. Thomas Sowell would even say Bernie Sanders name or try to refute him. The fact that Bernie Sanders is one of the biggest crooks is obvious.

>>61319632
>If your parents are dumb enough to not give you vaccines when they should've, there are bigger problems.
Yes there would be huge problems. Like measels/whooping cough.

You don't seem to understand we are able to curb diseases and in some cases completely wipe them out with vaccinations (smallpox, polio, malaria)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases

You are arguing with someone that is a PA.

>>61319632
If ur parents stupid enough to get the vaccine you deserve autism

>>61319956
You retarted offspring of two transexual sentars...

YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. TRUMP is not your doctor, he says, leave it to the family. You wanna argue what's best, go argue with the familes, the government should have no role. Land of the free... We the people. .. have you heard those terms?

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>>61317325
I assume you are aware of this thing called the roman empire? Well it wasn't always an empire. It started as republic, run by a senate of wealthy elites. This changed when Julius Caesar came along. Through a series of Machiavellian political moves and civil wars, he became the de facto dictator of the republic. He and a his eventual successor Augustus turned that republic into an empire with power heavily centralized in the hands of the emperor.

Cato was a member of the senate during this transition period. He was a noted orator who was part of the faction that opposed Caesar and the death of the republic. He was also an intellectual and philosopher. He eventually sided with Pompey Magnus against Caesar in the civil war that ensued during Caesar's coup. He an hero'd when his faction got bitchslaped by Caesar's legions.

Many people argue that the roman republic had to become an empire in order to manage it's ever growing power and territory.
Saying that Sowell is Cato and Trump is Caesar is a reference to this pov. They are saying that Sowell is a disconnected intellectual that doesn't understand how America's position has changed, and a Jeffersonian republic is just not possible anymore.

>>61313879
Sowell agrees with him on those things, but Trump often talks about tariffs and protectionism, which Sowell is against

>>61309294
he really speaks like and has the effect of an old school black

not the gangsta hip hop culture all blacks have today

>>61320098
The distinction is made because if the First Senator counts as emperor so does the Dictator For Life Caesar who ruled for 10 years before he was assassinated

>>61320663
>This changed when Julius Caesar came along.

it actually changed because of sulla and marius. caesar was the final step. caesar was a marian

>>61320598
Yes, the government should mandate that nobody receive any form of healthcare but especially not vaccines.

We must ensure the destruction of ZMapp and a future for white Ebola-chan.

>>61320663
>Many people argue that the roman republic had to become an empire in order to manage it's ever growing power and territory.

But in this case rome is on on the verge of burning

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>>61320422
You don't understand. If your parents can't make a vital decision for you, then all is already lost. It doesn't matter that you get to live. You might as well call yourself India because you got a high population, but what does it matter at that point? Your government came in and gave you vaccines that your parents were too dumb to give you, so then you get to be an adult that shits on anywhere he/she pleases because your parents were too dumb to tell you that POO goes in the LOO. You end up with streets filled with shit. You get the bigger picture? You understand why America had an exceptional system? You correct things from within, or all is lost. Hillary Clinton shouldn't be the entity that is supposed to correct for your family's retarted ways.

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>>61321154
The government should not mendate you
>to
or
>not to
do anything.

Let me tell you this in faggot slangs , so your homosexual soul can understand...

Socialism is sooo yesterdayyy, gurrrll.

>>61320815
Yeah. He destroyed many stereo types for me.

>>61321211
Yes, but people who are immunocompromised need you to be vaccinated.

That or we have to isolate them from the healthy people. That would mean your grandma (your immunity decreases with age) and eventually you, would have to be living in a commune with gay blacks (hiv), along with cancer patients.

OR. You can take your fuckin vaccine (cheaper)

>>61319030
austism isn't caused by a compromised immune system retard. to even imply it like donald did is also dumb. however, I think trump honestly did it on purpose because a lot of murricans believe that vaccines are bad for one's health

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>>61320401
>Look this isn't a Trump is bad, vote for Bernie Sanders thread.
No part of my post implied it was, so you didn't spend more than a second thinking about what I said.
> I think Thomas Sowell is trying to bring you down to earth.
By saying "Trump is awful" then not qualifying it, which would be the entire point of me bothering to listen to him in the first place. I already know what he thinks of Obama. I'm tired of every person who gets the chance, saying "Trump is awful, egomaniac, jerk, rude" or some other thing that sounds like a reaction to tone over substance, or aesthetics in place of philosophy. THAT'S WHAT I'M SICK OF.
>But if it makes you happy, I importantly mentioned that This is from December.
Great, so what?
> Trump is a constitution guy, and not a ego-meniac authoritarian. Anyway, this is beyond your lil retarted world, which the fight is between Trump and Bernie Sanders.
Why do you keep talking about Bernie Sanders?
>Thomas Sowell would even say Bernie Sanders name or try to refute him.
Why are you STILL talking about Bernie Sanders?
>The fact that Bernie Sanders is one of the biggest crooks is obvious.
I DIDN'T FUCKING MENTION BERNIE SANDERS, I mentioned "Bernfags" (i.e., his supporters) offhandedly, but the majority of my post was about Republican choices. The Goldman Sachs reference was obviously to Cruz, and the "owned by billionaires" reference was to EVERY OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

Look, I would love to hear WHY Thomas Sowell doesn't like him, despite the fact that they're in the same general neighborhood on economic policy. That's sticks out, but Sowell doesn't qualify his armchair psychoanalysis, so no, he fails completely to "bring me down to Earth" you fuckwit.

Here's your (You) thanks for posting Thomas Sowell saying nothing at all about Trump.

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>>61319575 >>61319969 >>61320102 >>61320171

NO shit there are differences

But even you baby fags must understand that almost every economic teacher, does not know shit about real world economy. Just knows the name of shit. Like, that principle is a micro economic principle. That one is a macro economics. This is how the economy of bananas work etc etc.

I think you finally understand the point.


Or every fucking harvard, yale, and university economic professor would be the richest people on earth if they could really know how to run anything, let alone a country.

So those that criticize, or give praise, are often basing shit on their biases, or what their own professors told/taught them. Instead of any real economic savvy.

In fact, is better for a country to have a fucking successful businessman, that has a proven record of cutting through bullshit to get actual economic things done. Faster, better, and cheaper than any "expert".

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>>61321599
No you retard.

See
>How people react to other people with lice

Naturally problem is fixed. You don't get it man. You just jumped ship from reddit, and are too old to unplug. Just like the movie when morpheous apologizes for pulling Neo out at such an adult age. You can't reject your bullshiit because it has become you. "you'd pop".

Lurk more retard.

>>61309294
ty anon

>>61322178
>How people react to other people with lice
What are you getting at?

>Lurk more retard.
4 years and counting, sadly

>>61314418
I am also a millennial. you just need to actually get cultured, you fuck

Thom Sowell has some great points but he hasn't voted in years!

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>>61322431
OP is just here to keep repeating his theory that Trump is the teenage hipster candidate (so basically everyone like OP "gets" him), and oldfags are missing the writing on the wall while calling everyone he replies to "retarted" and telling them to think about Matrix scenes while they "go back to Reddit".

>Basically some 14 year old came here to school us because he found a video of Thomas Sowell mentioning Trump.

/thread

>>61321921
Thomas Sowell doesn't like him because there are bigger things at hand. For example, Unions have to be completely removed. The federal reserve has to be completely removed. Almost all government programs must be removed without exception. Almost all regulations must be removed. So while it's nice to hear someone not being politically correct, or shilling for some other entity, it just doesn't do it. We're replacing one Obama with another... essentially. Again, I said maybe Trump actually will remove unions, government programs, federal reserve, etc... but he probably won't. That's why Thomas Sowell equates him to Obama. Now imagine Trump comes in and America still got big problems... Bernie Sanders will definately be the next president because that's how Obama came to office because of a bad cuckservative. So unless Trump is suuuuper smart and doesnt say anything about federal reserve until he gets into office, you essentially have another Obama in the office.

Also I kept mentioning Bernie Sanders, because I thought you were a faggot that would be furious that somebody godforbid critisized Trump.

He is perfectly free to make his own decisions and form his own opinions.

>>61322431
Give up faggot you can't be saved. The bigger picture is that all good things must come from within. The government's sole purpose is to protect the nation, uphold the law, and have a working and balanced judicial system. That is it. Because all other problems must be fixed within the individual. Why is it important for it to go within the individual? that's what you dont understand, and that's why you can't be saved. If you have any basic understanding of What America the land of the Free entails, you'd understand that and obviously you've been around here for the sources to come by you.

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>>61323059
I agree? What's wrong with you lmao. I don't stand for national health-care. I like low taxes.

The only thing I say is vaccines are vital to maintain the health for the elderly and sick...but, then again you are an edgy 14 y/o faggot who thinks everyone should die but you.
I think>>61322717
hit the nail on the head about you.

>>61313333
>>61313137
......those numbs

>>61323315
The government cannot be in charge of vaccines.

-OVER! (furiously) Said Micheal Corleon to Kate.

>>61323702
>The government cannot be in charge of vaccines.
Yup, and guess what? they aren't.

If you want to attend a PUBLIC school funded by the STATE you must abide by their rules.

OR if you're a dumbass you take your kid to a privateschool or homesechool

>>61323938
Public schools are shit though, like, I thought this was pretty well known by everyone a this point.

>>61308954 (OP)
>I'm asking this question of the well informed and those familiar with history and historical policies.

I have bad news buddy.......

>>61324043
Not disagreeing. They are "free" however.

>>61321157
Do you think a constitutional republic and nationalism are mutually exclusive? If so, why?

Do you think Ivanka or Donald Trump's sons will eventually run as presidential candidates?

>>61317022

He's not really pro gay marriage, but he's said the Supreme court's made it's decision. Which should be what we do going forward. Bigger fish to fry at the moment.

>>61324285
If you're not disagreeing then why say a dumbass takes his kids to private schools?

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>>61323938
And who fucking pays for the Public School? Me. So no, fuck you. Don't take money out of my taxes to make your school, and I don't care if you have vaccine buffets in there. I'll send my kid to a private school of my choice with my money.

>If you want to attend a PUBLIC school funded by the STATE you must abide by their rules.

fucking piece of shiit. I MAKE the state...

WHO PUT THIS TOGETHER? ME THATS WHOOOO

>>61324481
I'm saying you are dumb if you take your kids to a private school IF your reasoning is to avoid vaccination.

>>61324487
Yeah, you want to destroy public schools. so cool. let me guess, you LOVE randlet

>>61308954 (OP)
Good thing I'm a nationalist!

I respect Sowell on economics and black problems, but he's clearly missing the point of Trump.

>>61324682
lol fuk what a waste of my time. I don't know why I expected more of a redditor.

>>61321921
I like you. I think we have very similar personalities.

>>61324806
Nationalism.. should be a will of the people not a will of a government.. in my opinion.

>>61324896
>I don't know why I expected more of a redditor.
you keep saying that.

projection?

I have been on /pol/ since 2011. 4chan since 08.

stay edgy

who cares

i disapprove of trump, but i'd still vote for him at this point, because fuck every other establishment stooge up for election right now, and fuck sanders for bowing to his SJW and commie overlords.

i'm pretty sure the majority of trump voters are only supporting him as a fuck you to decades upon decades of establishment corruption.

>>61310085
Good.
Maybe this will finally be the death knell for Democracy and we can abandon this craziness.

I hope someday to contribute to the decline of the flawed Republic and bring about an empire the likes of which has never been seen before. We have that potential

>>61310085
>all the replies to this post
wait, you guys thought you were voting for trump as a republican and not as emperor?
either the slide into democratic anarchy continues, or you choose an emperor

>>61325403
yeah but to hear it out loud with such clarity . .

>>61324993
Given the sheepish nature of the "people" is there really a difference anymore?

The whole point of an emperor is you don't choose him, he takes it. Trump could feasibly be elected, conquer the third world, and declare himself emperor. But otherwise he'll just serve two terms and fade into obscurity.

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>>61325662
Yeah. Iran is nationalist. The people were very nationalist before the government. Later on, after some fall outs between the people and the government things changed. The current nationalism comes from the government. The result is that nationalism is there but the benefits of it are not. You can find corrupt, degenerate nationalist. It's almost as if the point was lost.

If conservatives ever thought me anything, it's that something is either genuine or not at all. There is no shortcut. Nationalism should be the will of the people because they have it's benefits in clear view. Otherwise, you might as not have it. At the beginning maybe it will look good, but eventually it will be regretted. Such is all government efforts.

Thomas Sowell really gave me a lot of faith. Its funny that on MLK day people will post dumb shit on facebook and twitter when in reality they are doing the exact opposite of what he would have wanted. Dr. Sowell is a really smart guy, and great thinker and I wish more Blacks could be like him.

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>>61320311

>It doesn't really matter who gets in at this point
Marginalizing.

>the US government is continuously making more and more strong moves towards dictatorship

Under a Democratic President, put in office by democratic majority rule whom promote, perpetuate democratic ideals

>None of the candidates except perhps Rand are going to give up powers that have been laid down step by step with every previous president

Generalizing, however, Trump promotes a repeal of Obamacare, Common Core namely.

>This is a continuous process, so I don't think trump is going to go full dictator, but he will absolutely continue stepping up the ladder, and each president after him is going to to the same until we have finally sleep walked into the inevitable dictatorship

Straw-manning. The world will fall into chaos -- at the hands of Liberals when Republicans throw in the towel and quit promoting conservatism.

Consider voting Republican this upcoming Presidential Election. The conservative platform already seeks to combat dictatorship, represent an individual's God given rights of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness & property and lastly prevent the befalling of America to tyrannical rule.

>>61310085

Donald Trump = Caesar
Thomas Sowell = Cato
Ron Paul = Cicero
Ivanka Trump (?) = Octavian (Caesar Augustus) (Could be any or all of his kids, I guess)

Our Mark Antony will probably be whatever top general Trump picks to lead the war against ISIS.

Who else are we missing?

>>61313358
In your dreams manlet

>>61326204
In this case, it's nationalist sentiment vs globalism. Trump represents national interests.

Topically, my problem with libertarian economics is that their primary concern is ethical rather than economic. They are concerned with government use of force, not the practical results for the citizenry at large. When they also sell it as the best system on top of being the most ethical it starts to sound utopian.

>>61326600
Pompei I guess.

>>61326503
>Dr. Sowell is a really smart guy, and great thinker and I wish more Blacks could be like him.
He wasn't alone. There were a lot of upstanding blacks in 60-70s. Welfare state has failed them, many of educated blacks were against it since the beginning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNYCPZXvlw [Embed]

>>61326600
obama is more of a caesar.
trump is more of a constantine.

>>61308954 (OP)
Everyone disapproves of him

This is what people need to understand
He is part of a rare breed that the intellectual class (even the intellectual individuals that I personally like) hate

He is the American spirit personified in every way you can imagine
People in power and foreign states fucking hate the American spirit even though they try to placate it

We've had Trump's before
Reagan is a famous one
Andrew Jackson was the first
https://archive.is/se05y

>>61326600
>Trump's Marc Antony gloriously destroys ISIS
>Becomes bros for life
>If you've read your roman history, you know how this ends

:(

>>61326652
Look, ethics trumps economy because having the best economy is overrated. It's not Utopian, because it's not about equality. It eliminates waste. The country's prosperity can be held back by materialism. You can even go towards a bad foreign policy if you value economy over ethics. Not to mention with the right Ethics, you would have one of the best economy anyways, you just don't have the obsession of it.

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>>61310085
It has to be this way

>>61326879
Fucking LBJ got them right where he wanted them
Gave them civil rights while placing the chains right back on them without them even noticing

>>61313879
>Trump was for bank/auto maker bailouts
>Trump has never met a form of corporate wellfare he didn't like
>Trump has called for a 45% tax on goods from China due to yuan deval. This is a a tariff, and yes he lied about not saying this in the most recent debate
>Trump has historically been pro-singlepayer HC
>Trump has been against closing various tax loopholes the wealthy use

Perhaps the most important thing to bear in mind about Trump is that he's not anti-establishment, he just thinks the people manning it are stupid and weak. He has no real problem with big gov and big biz, his fortune is due largely to how they both intersect for mutual benefit when it comes to real estate (eminent domain being the foremost example). Whereas Rubio wants to reform the establishment, and Cruz wants to tear it down, Trump wants to tell its current members that they're fired, then put all of "the very best people" who he knows because he's Trump and Trump knows best/does best/is best etc.

So, bearing all this in mind, please, tell me his tax plan (which he has spoken so much about).

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>>61308954 (OP)
Don't care. All candidates are shit. Trump is the bitter pill that must be swallowed to kick start the great happening. No other candidate is worthy and will just be 4 years of more bullshit. Trump is an asshat, but he is necessary.

Godspeed Emperor Trump

>>61327503
There are independent parties you know. I know you say they'd never get elected, but if everyone saying that believed it, that would be a real revolution. All is done and over with now, probably. I am just baffled that somone like Trump, with all his resources and "high IQ" should have a knowledge of Rome, the founding fathers, the idea of America. So why go against it..? I don't understand. I guess ego can blind a person, but he seems genuine.

>>61327339
I heard a very good theory that LBJ had JFK killed. It's the most plausible I've heard so far.

>>61327813
You do know our system is completely built on the two parties right?
If no gets like 270 electoral votes then the election is decided by Congress I believe and honestly I don't think it would change Jack shit in America just looking at other countries as examples

>>61327911
Yeah that sounds about right
Damn shame though because despite being a sexual deviant JFK was a pretty cool guy

>>61327466
> he just thinks the people manning it are stupid and weak. He has no real problem with big gov and big biz
I was listening to the radio on Friday and Glenn Beck was just ranting and ranting on Trump, blaming this exact statement. He isn't necessarily worried about Trump on the issues, he's worried about the precedents Trump would set, and of the person who gets in afterwards. At first I thought he was ridiculous, but now I'm starting to think he's right.

Trump has already won the election, I think it's too late to do anything about it.

It's not the politicians, it's not the corporations, it's the PEOPLE. The citizens are the ones responsible for everything wrong with the country, Donald Trump is no one without votes.

>>61310085
Capped for posterity

>>61328143
>The highest office in the nation has been reduced to a popularity contest
Why did Webb have to drop out? Oh right to make room for the vagina and commie

>>61327015
>Trump personifies America
Fuck, it's the Obama cult of personality all over again. Only this time, we have decades of Trump being a jackass with no class and no principles; only believing in whatever makes him money and strokes his ego.

It's people like you who proved the founders right when they were adverse to letting every asshole to vote simply because the individual possessed an asshole. You're so fucking swept up in his crassness and anger because you're pissed off at how politicians have become their own little insular society (and also because you're from 4chan and name calling is the norm). So ready to hope and so eager for change that you'll ignore every sign, new and old, that he's been a part of your hated establishment since he was fucking born.

Your idiocy would make me pity you, if you weren't so hellbent on committing mistakes that are nothing more than the flip side of the same coin that is the last two Presidential elections.

>>61328143
>Trumps already won
Just like Hillary and Dean before him, right? At least wait for the SEC primaries to have a say.

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>>61310085
Forgot pic

>>61328143
If you listen to old people, they are all very pessimistic. I guess they have all already seen the Obamas and Trumps of their day. Ultimately we're all probably wasting our time. There are threads here about the specifics of the fights in syria, etc. They always make fun of your for brining up "identity politiccs". They are right. The illusion of choice, etc. At most we can get is a history lesson, which should've been our first homework anyway.

>>61328511
Reagan won a landslide election, and even he wasn't leading as well as trump. Trump's popularity is unprecedented.

>>61328623
>At most we can get is a history lesson

And the most important history lesson is that no one learns from history. The same mistakes are made over and over again.

>>61328453
Exactly this

The people, not the progressives or libertarians or cuckservatives or demoshits, the actual people of America want Donald Trump

What he says is exactly what the people agree with
He resonates with their fears and aspirations

Love him or hate him Donald Trump is American to the core
I don't know the last president I could say that about in the last like 3 decades (not even bush Jr)

>>61328511
It's not Obama's cult mate
That's a poor comparison
Obama didn't pull Trump rally numbers

The founders hated Jackson because the founders hated the American people
They liked the ideals they created and formed but a very large portion of our founders had a fear of the people (and for good reason)
They at least trusted them more than the state but don't you dare think for a second they weren't wary of the Americans

I don't care if hes part of the establishment or not the fact is he is not only going to win I think he's going to win in a landslide

>human development imitates a sin wave and the best we can hope to do is cause as little damage as possible until we hit the next development boom

>political systems naturally rot and need to be reorganized reshaping an aspect of the previous system

>the previous system will reinforce why the new system must be in order to reinforce the system that follows

>so in order to have a truly superb era, it must be preceded by a atrocious climate to keep the need for the next system fresh and alive

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>>61328716
What do you think about the idea of Trump getting assassinated? Wouldn't that be the best outcome?
>Hilary and Bernie get BTFO
>The spirit of Trump stays but his ego goes away
>The republican establishment also won't be trusted anymore

Probably a civil revolution and back to a republic.

Isn't that the best idea? The tragedy that Rome needed.

>>61329088
It'd be rather dependent on the timing, I think your post is implying a post-election assassination, right?

I'm really curious as to who he'll pick as his running-mate.

>>61329088
But the empire wasn't bad in fact the empire breathed new life into Rome it is a huge reason Rome lasted as long as it did desu

>>61329061
What about the fate of the individual? His sorrows..his dreams? Is the afterlife filling that vacuum?

>>61329277
The individual, by and large, is the reason we need booms and busts. He's the reason systems rot.

But how do we make the best of the inevitable? By living well and striving to put your children in a better position than others. And have them do the same. So that when the next boom happens, it'll be them making the hard choices and not being on the receiving end of other choices.

Insulating them does not give them adequate experience to understand the world though.

>>61329218
>I'm really curious as to who he'll pick as his running-mate.
i really hope he picks a business person and not a politician

>>61329218
I would like it to happen before his election or even before his VP because then the power will just shift to that VP.

>>61329267
No matter how long, how good was it comparing to the first idea of Rome? It isn't even about a standing empire with a flag. It's about the idea of Rome. The real progress of our time on earth.

>>61329575
If it were to happen today, Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush would snag the nomination and we'd be back to business as usual.

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>>61310085
So, who's Brutus?

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>>61329442
But what about the individuals spirit? The existential crisis? Can the individual stay content knowing he's nothing but a grain of sand in a vast desert?

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>>61329612
No. There would be noone behind those podiums to capture the will of the people. They would all be tainted. I could only see what you say happen to Ben Carson because he's an exception but even that has a small chance. There can be a third party candidate into play. Like Alan keys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJ3V55ii-U [Embed]

>>61310085


All these people thought Emperor Trump was just a meme.

>>61328942
>It's nothing like Obama because Trump pulls in bigger crowds sycophants and malcontents (even if their hearts are in the right place)

You crack me up, you really do. As if popularity were a real measure of value. Doing the right thing has never been popular, does that make doing evil the better choice of the two?

Anyway, there are quite a few reasons voting was tied to white, male landowners. Chief among them is that your average person is a sucker who cares nothing about his civic duty, and will vote for whoever will give him the most of other peoples money. By limiting who can vote in such a manner, it encourages civic duties ans responsibilities, while ensuring the quality of your average voter higher than that of your average citizen.

Trump is different from Obama only because he's seized onto populist ideals as a way to exoand and strengthen his brand, instead of progressive ones (which were what he held before).

Trump is a nigger compared to Sowell

>>61329088
I would never condone assassination nsa, it has clearly never accomplished anything throughout history.

>>61330144
>strengthen his brand
Are you implying that his presidential campaign is purely a business venture?

>>61309294
Trump seems to be the only candidate remotely close to Sowell on immigration. Sowell appears to say the US should return to the old policy of discriminating on nationality. From the video:

>Sowell: There's immigrants from different places, different kinds of immigrants, and we don't even want to discuss those things. A hundred years ago they were talking about immigration, they had all kinds of data on crime rates, death rates, everything you can think of about immigrants from various countries around the world. No-one even dares to ask such questions today.
>Robinson: So the country in the old days had the self-confidence to pick and choose.
>Sowell: Absolutely
>Robinson: We'll take some from here and not from there. That's what you'd like to see?
>Sowell: Yes
Robinson: What would be the principles? We would accept immigrants who'd do us economic good?
>Sowell: Economic good and preferably not plant explosives in various places.

>>61330407
He DOES admit to that, or at least has in the past.

>>61317233
Plus, Trump is against TPP

>>61330465

Got sources of that? Not trying to diss you, I'm legitimately curious.

I used to think that too, but the longer his campaign goes on the less likely it seems to be. It's high risk, low reward. And I've seen an article saying that his campaign is already damaging his brand. What does he get out of this?

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>>61330410
Yes you are absolutely correct. There are actually many things common between Trump and Sowell. For example, both against common core. Not to mention, Trump did say there will be mass cutting in programs. This is why I think there is some vague hope. Some of his close people have suggested that "he's for sound money", which makes you think he is anti-federal reserve but this could all just be Pandering.

>>61309294
Sowell claims Obama is "the worst president of all time" simply because of Iran negotiations which is laughable.

He then goes on to slam muslim immigrants, and pretty much parrot every single thing Trump is promoting.

>>61328511
The truth is: People actually love cult of personality. The Founders couldn't keep people from natural hierarchy forever

>>61331005
>150 Billion Dollars