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[–]ToPimpAButterface 1977 points1978 points1979 points  (302 children)
How has nobody said Hollywood yet? One of the biggest "open secrets" is the rampant pedophilia going on in Hollywood. Family Guy, to my surprise, recently called this problem out and singled out Brian Singer specifically.
E: For those interested, Corey Feldman has been very vocal about the issue over the years. An Open Letter is also a documentary about Hollywood's pedophile problem.
[–]Fallenangel152 665 points666 points667 points  (73 children)
I still remember the rumours about a 90's Nickelodeon teen star that got made pregnant by a 50s+ producer. Cue quick hush hush abortion, and big payoffs.
Not to mention the rent boys that frequent the sets of certain major Hollywood stars.
[–]micahshell 470 points471 points472 points  (17 children)
BRING IN THE DANCING LOBSTERS.
[–]carloscarllos 15 points16 points17 points  (14 children)
Is she the one /u/Fallenangel152 is talking about?
[–]riders994 22 points23 points24 points  (13 children)
Britney Spears' sister was the one I thought of.
Edit: Timing doesn't work, it's Bynes.
[–]camdoodlebop 16 points17 points18 points  (7 children)
But she didn't have an abortion?
[–]riders994 11 points12 points13 points  (5 children)
I mean, I wouldn't really know, I never followed her. I just remember hearing about her being pregnant when that show was out.
[–]newsgirl0812 9 points10 points11 points  (4 children)
She had a boyfriend and they got married.
Why the hell do I know that....
[–]choleraoutbreak [score hidden]  (0 children)
Probably because when she got pregnant they had to cancel nickelodeon's best show ever, zoey 101 :'(
HOW SELFISH OF HER
[–]mermaid_toes [score hidden]  (0 children)
Right, Jamie Lynn gave birth to a daughter when she was a teen.
[–]Fedcoshark 10 points11 points12 points  (3 children)
That was mid 2000s though. Amanda Bynes was 90s.
[–]Lorahalo 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
The Amanda Show was from 1999-2002, so more early 2000s than 90s.
[–]dacalpha 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
And All That was before The Amanda Show, so she was involved with Nickelodeon during the 90's.
[–]riders994 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Ah. That'd probably work better then, wouldn't it.
[–]PMMEURCOFFEEGROUNDS 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
Awwwwww here it goes
[–]delspencerdeltorro 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Well there goes my childhood. :(
[–]theoneyoutrusted 403 points404 points405 points  (14 children)
Jamie Lynn Spears. It was more so the early 2000s I believe.
EDIT: Turns out it was around 2007 actually. The show being aired 2002-2007. Time flies. I remember it because my sister was obsessed with Zoey 101 and was devastated it got canceled. It became public that she had sex with the producer and impregnated, although when I google around it has mixed stories.
[–]ablino_rhino 56 points57 points58 points  (1 child)
I'm pretty sure she kept the baby and that's why the show got canceled.
[–]theoneyoutrusted 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
I figured it was mainly that, along with it being public that she was having an affair with the producer.
[–]thencaapawardgoesto 45 points46 points47 points  (5 children)
Maybe I'm gullible but wasn't the dad some dude from her hickville Louisiana hometown? A pipefitter or something?
[–]theoneyoutrusted 32 points33 points34 points  (2 children)
There's mixed sources. She does have a kid with Casey Alridge (her boyfriend from Louisiana). Or it could be the one with the producer but they say it's Caseys. There's too many mixed reviews to tell. But, she did have an affair with the producer.
[–]JamesNonstop [score hidden]  (0 children)
'affair' was probably more like 'you do what the boss says because this is hollywood'
[–]wiifan55 [score hidden]  (0 children)
But, she did have an affair with the producer.
How do we know that's true though? Seems like all this stuff is very easily just made up rumors
[–]gibsonsg87 [score hidden]  (0 children)
pipefitter
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[–]Sideshowcomedy [score hidden]  (0 children)
Pipefitter, eh? You kids and your hip, young euphemisms for sex.
[–]_Chalupa_Batman_ 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
Thought it was with her boyfriend and that the controversy was he was 18 and she was 16?
[–]theoneyoutrusted [score hidden]  (0 children)
Like k said before, it's mixed feelings and tumors towards the ordeal. Here's the main article that kind of hits the entire producer affair side of things. It's entirely possible the child was her boyfriends, and that she might've of also had an affair. Or, it could've been the age controversy - which makes sense. It's just that no one knows for a fact. Maybe I didn't google enough, or find the concrete answer. But, it's always been up in the air.
[–]palerthanrice [score hidden]  (0 children)
Wow I always thought that was a comical rumor. That's pretty depressing.
[–]madddskillz [score hidden]  (0 children)
Seems like it was someone else.
Jamie Lynn Spears had a baby with her then boyfriend who was around 2 years old than her rather than with a producer.
[–]Chadxman [score hidden]  (0 children)
It turns out that the producer for this show just released a new video to possibly follow up. What a sleaze bag.
Can be viewed here!
[–]Nzash 69 points70 points71 points  (16 children)
Must've been Dan Schneider. That guy had em all.
[–]SoSaltyDoe 47 points48 points49 points  (10 children)
Dan "The Cheek Divider" Schneider
[–]blaqsupaman 39 points40 points41 points  (8 children)
Dan "likes 'em tighter" Schneider
[–]ibelieveinbatman 32 points33 points34 points  (7 children)
Dan "Drink this cider" Schneider
[–]Riathar 38 points39 points40 points  (6 children)
Dan "Hold her tighter, she's a fighter" Schneider
[–]CreamNPeaches 18 points19 points20 points  (5 children)
Dan "She's a biter" Schneider
[–]layendecker 17 points18 points19 points  (4 children)
Dan "If you have a daughter, you'd better hide her" Schneider
[–]Sir_Schadenfreude [score hidden]  (3 children)
Dan "The Rough Rider" Schneider
[–]starkinmn 23 points24 points25 points  (0 children)
Dan "Put it Inside Her" Schneider
[–]bluewildscull [score hidden]  (0 children)
Dan "Can Direct Whilst Erect" Schneider
[–]CopperThrown 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Dennis Freaking Blunden?
[–]minnick27 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Yeah man. Dudes a pretty big producer for Nickelodeon. And the cool guy Eric is a producer too, he did Smallville
[–]smash__lampjaw [score hidden]  (0 children)
There was a rumor going around for a while that he got Amanda Bynes pregnant when she was underage and forced her to have an abortion. The rape/forced abortion made her turn to drugs, and that is where her whole meltdown came from.
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (0 children)
The guy who is big and fat and has the look of a child molester (i.e. big and fat, sexually frustrated much), what you're saying is that this guy definitely is a pedophile?
[–]tacobleh 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
I thought you were talking about Jamie Lynn Spears but she had her kid. who are you talking about?
[–]joebleaux 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
Clarissa?
[–]John_Wang 41 points42 points43 points  (1 child)
Well that explains it all...
[–]Jtwizz 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
nice
🎵 Na na na na-na! 🎵
[–]ragnarockette 36 points37 points38 points  (2 children)
You're thinking of Jamie Lynn Spears.
That same guy (Dan Schneider) also allegedly molested Amanda Bynes.
[–]SuperSaiyanNoob 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
Among many others
[–]postblitz [score hidden]  (0 children)
Including the entire viewership's eyes
[–]Shost93 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
The tale's of Dan "Get her in the van" Schneider.
[–]HIs4HotSauce [score hidden]  (0 children)
Dan "Stick to the plan" Schneider.
[–]turkeypants 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
They need to do way instain producer
[–]Maconheiro1 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Just google "Dan Schneider Nickelodeon"
[–]PrinceTyke 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
rent boys
Oh god, what does that mean? Are those "boys FOR RENT?" Because if so, that's horrifying.
[–]BetweenTheCheeks [score hidden]  (0 children)
Yes, but it's a commonly used name for male prostitute in general, not just "boys"
[–]KH10304 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I think it was Britney Spears sister?
[–]creedthoughs69 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I REMEMBER THAT. I was like 13 or 14 at the time (male), and I remember how fucking pissed off that made me, because they had to shut down my favorite show Zoey 101 because she got pregnant.
[–]BombGeek 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
explain.. im curious, i don't keep up with stuff like this... but i watch pretty much every movie released.
[–]suzy_sweetheart86 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Supposedly Jamie Lynn Spears baby was from the producer of her show, not the also teenaged "boyfriend" she claimed impregnated her at the time.
[–]ocdesertguy4 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Maybe that's the real reason Hollywood supports abortion? It's men that benefit most.
[–]YourCummyBear 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Which Hollywood stars I've never heard this?
[–]ForumPointsRdumb -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
So Forchan's iCarly fantasies came true?
[–]apple_kicks 307 points308 points309 points  (37 children)
Brian Singer
His wiki flags up the lawsuits over the years will note they seem to have fallen apart.
With amount of child stars that have gone off the rail in adulthood it wouldn't be surprising. Was only Last year Ashley Judd spoke out about producers 'casting' actresses in hotel rooms. Will note no names came out, but maybe to protect actresses connected to producers.
[–]malariasucks 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
another aspect you have to remember is that these kids get famous and 'peak' at such a young age (acting wise, not attractiveness) before their mind is fully developed, that I am sure it's extremely difficult to transition once the attention dies down and you're sometimes that as attractive once you actually reach adulthood
[–]Brio_ 58 points59 points60 points  (29 children)
Everyone knows Jennifer Lawrence fucked Harvey Weinstein.
[–]mattbrunstetter 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
No source on that?
[–]cubanpajamas [score hidden]  (0 children)
Not exactly a source, but it's the first one that came up when I searched. I was also curious. http://blindgossip.com/?p=70446
[–]Couldnotbehelpd [score hidden]  (0 children)
He did campaign awfully hard for her to get that Oscar....
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (0 children)
Who knows this now
[–]just_your_mother 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
Holy shit that dude is like twice the age of his wife... And he cheated on his wife... Woooow. What a piece of shit.
[–]spiraleclipse [score hidden]  (3 children)
I'm pretty sure if there were actuality numbers on the amount of people cheating on their spouses, that number would (sadly) be much higher than one would think.
[–]just_your_mother [score hidden]  (2 children)
I mean and it's not like his wife is dumpy or something. She's a knockout and she seems to have a resume that's pretty cool. Hell I'd probably go for her before I went for J-law. J-law is kind of like the girl next door. His wife is sexy.
[–]talbotar [score hidden]  (1 child)
It's not really any less scummy to cheat on your spouse if they're "dumpy".
[–]just_your_mother [score hidden]  (0 children)
not using it as an excuse. Just saying that he has pretty much zero reason to be displeased with her looks. He has some other unaddressed problem. Dude is straight scum regardless though.
[–]apple_kicks 5 points6 points7 points  (18 children)
if true its a shame since she's good enough to get these roles. Also when hearing rumours wondered if that was who those pictures were for
[–]shanksmanship 65 points66 points67 points  (5 children)
There are a lot of good actresses though.
[–]hitlama [score hidden]  (4 children)
But you won't know if their tits are perfectly symmetrical unless you have sex with them first. Do you think it's an accident that Kirsten Dunst, one of the most average actresses of all time, has the greatest rack known to mankind? No way she gets hired to do any movies unless someone fucked her beforehand and knew for a fact her titties were 10/10.
[–]LilithKDuat [score hidden]  (2 children)
But...but she didn't have tits in Interview With A Vampire.
[–]hitlama [score hidden]  (1 child)
Yeah and she wouldn't have done SHIT past that if she had crooked boobs. You think it's a coincidence that some child actress turned adult actress could have her jugs graded out to a perfect 10/10 in every category imaginable? She's TERRIBLE at acting, but her boobs are unreal. Look at this shit http://getlaidtonightinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Kirsten-Dunst-Topless.jpg. Some executive boned her, gave those titties 2 thumbs up, and boom she's in Spiderman.
[–]riskoooo [score hidden]  (0 children)
So how did she get the part for Jumanji?
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (0 children)
How is she average? What about her breasts do you find so amazing?
[–]SpammedYourGrandma 39 points40 points41 points  (11 children)
do people think Lawrence is an exceptional actress? Her performances in Silver Linings Playbook and the Hunger games isn't terrible...but there are way better actresses
[–]paper_liger [score hidden]  (4 children)
Ever seen Winters Bone? I grew up in circumstances not that far from those in the film and I found her completely believable.
[–]SpammedYourGrandma [score hidden]  (3 children)
yep she's not terrible, like i said. i'm just consistently surprised by people talking about her like she's the gold standard of under-30 acting.
[–]paper_liger [score hidden]  (0 children)
She has tremendous likeability and pretty solid acting ability. Of those two being charismatic is probably more important to a career. Tom Hanks didn't start out a very good actor either, but he was likeable as fuck.
And if I am wading through a thousand auditions of perfectly able actors I might be inclined to pick the actor who seems like they would be fun to work with.
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (1 child)
yep she's not terrible, like i said.
It's one of the best female performances in any movie in the past ten years or so
[–]SpammedYourGrandma [score hidden]  (0 children)
yeah, we're officially on reddit
[–]Michae1 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
Reddit. :/
[–]Side_show -6 points-5 points-4 points  (4 children)
Who are the better actresses?
[–]SpammedYourGrandma [score hidden]  (0 children)
that would fit her demographic? Rooney Mara, Saoirse Ronan, Hailee Steinfeld, Mia Wasikowska
[–]Mista_Wong 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
You dong have to name better actresses to know when someone is a sub par actor. Acting is all about realism and its easy for someone to spot a bad and unrealistic actor.
[–]Side_show [score hidden]  (1 child)
If you're saying someone is sub par then I want to know you think is above par.
Seems a fair request. Especially if you think she's objectively bad.
[–]SpammedYourGrandma [score hidden]  (0 children)
i answered. and i never said she was objectively bad
[–]80Eight [score hidden]  (0 children)
This is how I learn that both of the Weinsteins are straight?
[–]figginsley 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
He's well known to have a lot of young male "personal assistants" with him on set, but I'm sure they're of legal age. Source: know a driver for one of the X-Mem movies.
[–]i_hate_the_eagles 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Although it was heavily implied she was referring to a certain Producer whose name rhymes with Schweinstein...
[–]ThereWasNoHolocaust [score hidden]  (1 child)
Bill Cosby must be super innocent too then
[–]apple_kicks [score hidden]  (0 children)
Not saying anyone is innocent but highlighting the cases
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (0 children)
I don't know about this. Just because he's part gay doesn't make him a monster.
[–]nick_storm [score hidden]  (0 children)
Is it bad that when I read "Brian Singer," I immediately thought of Supernatural's Bob Singer?
[–]dominion47 34 points35 points36 points  (16 children)
Brian "x men and young men" singer?
[–]busmans 11 points12 points13 points  (5 children)
he likes skinny young-looking blond boys, but there's no proof he's an actual pedophile.
[–]Rylo-Ken 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
Twinks. After reading about Singer and his "pool parties" (which Kevin Spacy regularly attended [according to the article I read on Deadspin]), it turns out there is an actual term that refers to them as "Twinks"
[–]tinoasprilla [score hidden]  (2 children)
Kevin Spacey is gay? Well, TIL, I guess
[–]DreamCatcher24 [score hidden]  (0 children)
That's been a constant rumour.
[–]RobertAPetersen [score hidden]  (0 children)
Makes that House of Cards scene more believable...
[–]Couldnotbehelpd [score hidden]  (1 child)
I feel like this can't be a secret. The guy throws "white twinks only" pool parties on the regular.
[–]nalydpsycho [score hidden]  (0 children)
It is no secret that he is gay and likes twinks. But the official story is 18+ and consenting. The rumours are that neither of those are always true.
[–]ScarletPriestess 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Yep. It has been a rumor in Hollywood for years that he likes underage boys. Supposedly he has given some of the ones he slept with small parts in his movies.
[–]AmericanFromAsia -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
No, Brian "xxx men and young girls" singer
[–]sadris 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
Singer is homosexual.
[–]LordManders 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
He's bi. He has a child with Michelle Clunie.
[–]InABadMood_AMA -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
Having a child doesn't necessarily make you bi. Past relationships or not, I am pretty sure Bryan Singer identifies as just gay.
[–]LordManders 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
And Singer says he doesn't really define himself as gay, remarking, "I'm quite bisexual."
[–]nitzua 31 points32 points33 points  (2 children)
furthermore, look in any elite circle and you'll find at least rumblings of pedophilia. hell, the white house page scandal of the late 80s was highly publicized for a bit, then completely swept under the rug.
[–]vecnyj 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
That was the House of Representatives, not the White House.
[–]nitzua 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
the pages were allegedly given post midnight 'tours' of the white house, hence the name.
[–]APiousCultist 38 points39 points40 points  (6 children)
Hollywood, the Catholic church, the UK goverment, presumably wall street, almost certainly many schools. Any place where you've got a bunch of middle-aged people with undue levels of power.
[–]unlikedemon 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Yep, even schools is the worst. Penn State, anyone?
[–]summitorother 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
If you're going full tinfoil, ask yourself: Who is easier to control, a good man or a man with a dark secret?
[–]Max_Thunder [score hidden]  (0 children)
Is it that people attracted to power are more likely to be pedophiles due to fantasies over exerting sexual power on a young person?
[–]XHF 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
True, i was just learning about how common pedophilia is with high ranking officials of the American military & Marine Corps. Older men would perform these sexual practices routinely with younger boys.
[–]Zemnate [score hidden]  (1 child)
Can I ask why you think Wall Street. Hollywood, the Catholic Church and the government are all similar in how they have easy access to vulnerable people. Wall Street doesn't have that.
[–]APiousCultist [score hidden]  (0 children)
Neither does the UK govement, yet that didn't stop the underage buggery that got exposed relatively recently.
[–]erickpasta 33 points34 points35 points  (4 children)
If Family Guy said it, then it's already been well known for ages.
[–]ZeiglerJaguar 32 points33 points34 points  (3 children)
Actually, to be fair, they were speculating about Bruce/Caitlin Jenner long before anyone else was.
[–]MarketWeav 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
Family Guy wasn't even on in the 80s.
[–]XXRelentless999 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
And 9/11...
/s
[–]portablebiscuit 47 points48 points49 points  (57 children)
I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn how much steroid use goes on in Hollywood. Humans can't just change their bodies like that without chemical assistance, yet no one seems to acknowledge that.
[–]Chantottie 150 points151 points152 points  (49 children)
Why would anyone care if a movie star is taking steroids? It's not like sports where steroids can give an unfair advantage.
[–]Brio_ 37 points38 points39 points  (7 children)
I think it would help change some public perceptions of things. Christian Bale is a great actor, but you can't compare to someone who takes steroids if you don't as well.
[–]Wrobot_rock 59 points60 points61 points  (0 children)
Yeah but he doesn't take acting steroids, he's just using chemicals instead of cgi to modify his appearance
[–]manefraim2 27 points28 points29 points  (4 children)
Boy this would explain that whole Terminator lighting crew blowup.....
[–]harsesus 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
And assaulting his mother and sister.
[–]infamous-spaceman 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
I think its explained well enough by the fact that the dude had ruined the scene once and then did it again. If you were at your job after working a long day and some fuck wit screws up what you've been working on twice in a row you would probably yell at him too.
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (1 child)
How often do actors explode at crew members for fucking things up? Think it through a little bit.
[–]infamous-spaceman [score hidden]  (0 children)
Probably more than we think. That tape leaked because Bale said he might quit so the production company wanted it as evidence against him if he did.
[–]UberMcwinsauce 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
Because they're still very risky to use and are often illegal
[–]bronerkill -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
Since Bale is not in competitive sports, he could get a legal prescription and health plan set up for him to (more) safely use them though. I doubt he went down to the local gym and bought them from some shady dealer...
[–]UberMcwinsauce 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
"Steroids" is not the name of a single drug. It's a very broad category of medicine and most are used to treat allergic reactions and rashes, asthma, and other things. A steroid is just a cholesterol-based biological compound. Anabolic steroids stimulate the development of masculine features like increased muscle mass, heavier jaw, etc. by fooling your body that they are testosterone (or actually are testosterone). It is possible to get a legal prescription (from a shady doctor) for "low T" but taking testosterone when you don't need it has negative side effects due to your body producing more estrogen in response, and testosterone is not the only anabolic steroid.
[–]bronerkill [score hidden]  (0 children)
I am aware, and I guess it would still qualify as "shady", but Bale could easily do everything completely within the law.
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (0 children)
To quote someone else down the line, it would become necessary to become competitive for certain roles, namely the star roles.
[–]mynameisevan [score hidden]  (0 children)
Because when almost all men in the media are huge with six pack abs it creates unrealistic expectations. Stuff like this has caused a huge rise in the amount of boys with body dismorphia and eating disorders. It also makes it so that if you want to become a movie actor you basically have to put your body at risk and take steroids. Having that kind of body can make the difference between getting cast in the lead part and getting cast as the lead part's friend who has five lines.
[–]_Pills_Here_ 0 points1 point2 points  (10 children)
But steroids are giving an unfair advantage to those that use them. Why else would they be using them if it didn't aid them in any way?
[–]whitepalms85 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
But it's not about fairness. E.g. how good looking you are is pretty much random. It isn't fair. Some people are very good looking and very smart while others are ugly and stupid. It's not fair, it's just the way it is.
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (1 child)
It's completely about fairness, because if it's acceptable to take steroids to bulk up for a role, being a star will be compatible with taking steroids. The stigma is a good thing.
[–]whitepalms85 [score hidden]  (0 children)
if it's acceptable to take steroids to bulk up for a role, being a star will be compatible with taking steroids.
So? Hollywood isn't about fairness, nobody cares that you are more talented and worked harder when your competitor plays golf with the head of the studio. Just like nobody care why you are better looking than someone else. You just are. There are a ton of unhealthy, unethical and unfair things going on in Hollywood but the whole place is about making money, not creating fairness.
E.g. just look at all the cosmetic surgery stuff going on. How is a risky cosmetic surgery different from steroids? And yes, that leads to more and more actors doing it but as long as people are still watching their movies and hence studios making money they won't care.
[–]Se7en_sept [score hidden]  (1 child)
Outside of a competitive setting, what unfairness are you talking about?
[–]_Pills_Here_ [score hidden]  (0 children)
I guess I would say a moral or ethical fairness. Steroids are illegal and potentially detrimental to your health. If the film industry actively rewards actors because of the benefits they receive from using steroids, it will encourage more illicit use of these drugs. Personally I don't really care if they use one way or another, but I'm sure there are people that care.
[–]Chantottie -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
How is it an unfair advantage? It's just changing their physique. It's not affecting their ability to act.
[–]_Pills_Here_ 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
Actors aren't popular just because of their ability to act. All sorts of variables go into someone being famous, especially their looks. Do you think The Rock would be as physically big if it wasn't for steroids? His gigantic body is one of his most famous traits, without that he wouldn't be nearly as popular. If anyone wants to reach that level of physique, they would need to do it through steroids. That is a clear cut advantage for using steroids vs. not using steroids.
[–]Chantottie -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
I guess my point is, it's not surprising actors take roids to quickly change their body image. Why should this be a surprise to anyone and further more, why should anyone care? The roids aren't changing the actors ability to act.
[–]dark567 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
They are changing his ability to act, just not know the most conventional way. Part of acting is appearance, and steroids can definitely help you change that.
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (0 children)
It's just changing their physique.
i.e. affecting their ability to get a role
[–]jklasdfjjs -7 points-6 points-5 points  (24 children)
Why would anyone care if a sports star is taking steroids? It's not like sports are a viable career option where the average person should compare their own career/lifestyle achievements to the bodies of the few successful professional athletes
[–]discofreak 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
Because if all are allowed to do it, and any start doing it, then all the rest are forced to do it as well in order to stay competitive. As a society we are not necessarily obsessed with the health and longevity of our athletes, but we are genuinely concerned for them. Creating a systematic requirement for self-destructive drug use would contradict this concern, and basically 'ruin the sport' in most peoples' eyes.
[–]jklasdfjjs -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
I don't see raising the bar of competitiveness as a bad thing, as it would also increase consumer satisfaction. I also don't think any rational person should be concerned with the welfare of any entertainer since people choose their own careers and aren't forced into them, whether they're a WWF wrassler or a porn star. Maybe if more people saw the extremes that a career in entertainment can subject your health/lifestyle to, more people would choose productive jobs that benefit their society instead of scoffing at education for the vague poverty-inducing concept of "making it as an actor/artist/writer/musician" like so many of my otherwise-intelligent peers have done.
See my other replies 1 and 2
[–]bronerkill 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
If its at the cost of people's health, then how is it not a bad thing? You are saying that you want people to pump themselves full of chemicals that could have life-altering irreversible effects just so you can have a small increase to "consumer satisfaction"? As if sports need that anyway?
Maybe if more people saw the extremes that a career in entertainment can subject your health/lifestyle to, more people would choose productive jobs that benefit their society
How naive are you?
[–]jklasdfjjs [score hidden]  (0 children)
If its at the cost of people's health, then how is it not a bad thing?
Because it's voluntary. Plenty of things are bad for your health that people do anyway for various reasons.
You are saying that you want people to pump themselves full of chemicals that could have life-altering irreversible effects just so you can have a small increase to "consumer satisfaction"? As if sports need that anyway?
Yes, and yes - but I don't watch sports anyway. I'm just making the observation that sports is an entertainment industry that relies on sensationalism generating interest as a sales vehicle, so the leagues benefit from more extreme play.
You seem like the naive one, lil buddy.
[–]odms 4 points5 points6 points  (13 children)
I am against steroid use in professional sports because it would increase the chance of negative long-term health consequences for the athletes. Even without steroids there are already a lot of issues with concussions in some leagues.
[–]jklasdfjjs -2 points-1 points0 points  (12 children)
Who cares about health consequences, is anyone forcing the athletes to make the terrible career choice of being an athlete? The utility that professional sports provides to the public is entertainment, and entertainment is increased by more cartoonish/faster/stronger athletes - do we complain when other entertainers get boob jobs or plastic surgery or hair transplants? It's not like being a pro athlete is a viable career option for one's whole life, or is even productive overall for society. Why are we encouraging the imaginary link between health and pro sports by banning performance-enhancing drugs when the physical training or sport itself can be just as dangerous?
[–]PatriceIsDead 2 points3 points4 points  (11 children)
Because its unfair for those great athletes who dont want to take steroids and still want to compete. You're basically telling them, too bad.
[–]jklasdfjjs -2 points-1 points0 points  (10 children)
They can still compete, they'll just be less likely to get gigs as those who do get plastic surgery. And what's the value on a "great athlete" other than their entertainment utility? How do you have such sports-tunnel-vision that you can't apply your own concepts to other forms entertainment?
[–]PatriceIsDead [score hidden]  (1 child)
And what's the value on a "great athlete" other than their entertainment utility?
I suppose that's where we differ - I see them as actual human beings and not simply utilitarian tools of entertainment.
[–]jklasdfjjs [score hidden]  (0 children)
People see other people as actual human beings if they know them personally. Anonymous people across the world are statistics.
[–]bronerkill -2 points-1 points0 points  (7 children)
Well for one, I think its stupid as hell to compare plastic surgery, a relatively safe and practically harmless operation at this point in time to taking steroids which do much more than just change your physical appearance and attributes. Steroids can seriously alter your mood and make irreversible changes to your body/mind.
[–]adrunkblk [score hidden]  (6 children)
If you abuse them, same with surgery. Seems like you just dont have the knowledge of what steriods do to your body other then you think there bad cause people say its bad.
[–]Chantottie 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
You watch sports for an athlete's performance. Steroids are directly related to an athlete and their ability to perform.
You watch actors for their acting. Steroids are not related to their ability to act.
[–]jklasdfjjs -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
Athletes are entertainers, just like pop singers or porn stars.
Do you get offended by boob jobs or plastic surgery or hair transplants in other entertainment industries? Do you think we should ban them, given that the utility of a performer to the public/audience is enhanced by these artificial methods? Do you think all sports should be played without pads or equipment, reduced down to naked men running around with primitive balls?
Do you really think that sports are some holy exemption to the endless artificiality inherent in entertainment industries, and that your line in the sand with steroids has any basis in reality w.r.t. productivity or economic growth or consumer satisfaction or any objective metric?
[–]Chantottie 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
?
I'm not offended by anything. I'm the one who asked why anyone would care if actors are taking steroids.
I don't think athletes are entertainers though. Some of them may chose that path for themselves but the majority of professional athletes are successful because of their physique/ability to perform. An athlete is different than an entertainer.
[–]Theige -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Sports are classified as entertainment
[–]jklasdfjjs -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
Athletes are absolutely entertainers. Their "performance" in their "sport" is an act of entertainment, and performers are entertainers. Their acts of performance are monetized by ticket/merchandise/press sales, and the industry as a whole bankrupts/impoverishes far more starry-eyed uneducated dreamers than it enriches.
Pro sports is no different than porn or a TV show, and athletes shouldn't be viewed any differently than the caricatures on a sitcom or the smiling bleached-blonde with bolted-on-tits taking 50 cumshots in a row.
[–]adrunkblk [score hidden]  (0 children)
keep grasping at those straws buddy. You may think a pro athelete is the same as your moms career in porn. But they are vastly different
[–]Longstory_Longer 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Who cares, they're not competing.
[–]Couldnotbehelpd [score hidden]  (0 children)
I have gotten in huge arguments with people who won't believe it. No, your favorite movie star did not stop drinking beer and worked out 6 days a week to from flabby as fuck to a shredded monster naturally. It is literally impossible.
[–]flat5 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I think that would be completely unsurprising.
[–]thejeran -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Steroids aren't illegal
[–]DjingoismUnchained -6 points-5 points-4 points  (2 children)
All men should be on steroids. Testosterone levels have been declining since the '60s and it's like nobody is even allowed to talk about it. You realize every piece of plastic you interact with is imparting estrogen mimicking chemicals into your body? It's so bad that fish literally change sex spontaneously in their natural habitats due to how much is dumped in by humans. You think this same effect isn't happening to men everywhere?
[–]EmperorCorbyn 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I'd take steroids if a doctor prescribed them to me tbh.
[–]danwroy [score hidden]  (0 children)
All men should be on steroids. Testosterone levels have been declining since the '60s...
woopwoopwoopwoopwoop
[–]AF79 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
Which episode is that? o_0
(I haven't seen Family Guy in a while, but that makes me want to start again)
[–]ToPimpAButterface 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
the *second most recent one
[–]Ookami82 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
WHAT? Any proof?
[–]kevinbaken [score hidden]  (0 children)
Why ruin a good circlejerk with proof
[–]Beat-Boy [score hidden]  (0 children)
Nope all rumors.
[–]Skeletonz 30 points31 points32 points  (13 children)
I think everyone realises that.
[–]BinanoSplat 33 points34 points35 points  (0 children)
I had no idea
[–]ManLeader 28 points29 points30 points  (0 children)
Never heard of it
[–]AnarkeIncarnate 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
Can you explain?
[–]ToPimpAButterface 40 points41 points42 points  (7 children)
and yet no formal public discussion has been had
[–]Stormwatch36 23 points24 points25 points  (4 children)
What exactly do you imagine when you say "formal public discussion"?
[–]ToPimpAButterface -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
I mean where's the megathread? Where's the Presidential comments on the matter? Where's the White House petition? Why is it that everyone is on Bill Cosby's case when no evidence has been submitted save for one woman's testimony? Funny how when a woman claims she was assaulted everyone raises their pitch forks almost instantly and yet someone like Corey Feldman accuses Hollywood of turning a blind eye to pedophilia, everyone's like, "Where's your proof, Corey?"
[–]Wegwurf123 26 points27 points28 points  (0 children)
Why is it that everyone is on Bill Cosby's case when no evidence has been submitted save for one woman's testimony? Funny how when a woman claims she was assaulted everyone raises their pitch forks almost instantly
Funny how it actually took the testimony of over 50 different women spanning several decades for everyone to raise their pitchforks. And funny how you condensed all those victims down to one.
Don't kid yourself, people are not any more inclined to defend adult female rape victims of famous people than underage ones.
[–]redrhyski 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Well in the Bill Cosby case it's a case of he said vs she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said.
Oh and he pretty much confessed that drugging women was the way to get his end away in his autobiographies.
[–]Stormwatch36 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I mean where's the megathread? Where's the Presidential comments on the matter? Where's the White House petition?
It's ridiculous of you to think that any of that shit matters. The White House petition system was a sweet idea until it got put into practice and did nothing but emphasize what the internet is. There was a White House petition for Valve to give DOTA players Diretide, for fuck sake. Presidential comments? Even if he did, Obama says a lot of things, and news outlets pick and choose which to report on. Plus with the election on the horizon, the general population gives fewer fucks about Obama than ever. Megathread? Jesus, dude. If you think a megathread matters you need to take a break from reddit. I mean that genuinely, the fact that you would even reference a 'megathread' as something more important than any other highly upvoted post means you are in too deep.
no evidence has been submitted save for one woman's testimony
one woman
Hahahaha. What the hell is the matter with you? It was a shitload more than one, not to mention instances where the girl was underage when it happened. Bill Cosby's case is directly related to the problem you're pointing out, I don't know why you're acting like he's distracting away from it.
Feldman's story was heavily reported by every news outlet that exists when his biography came out. We had the "formal public discussion", and then nothing happened as a result. You want to blame someone? Blame the cops who ignored him when he went to them with the names of his abusers. Random people talking doesn't accomplish anything these days. "Where's the megathread". The top five comments plus all their replies would be puns and one liners.
[–]Yorshy 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Shhh bby I need my Game of Thrones
[–]WaitWaitNoWay 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
What is a "formal public discussion"?
[–]nitzua 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
lol 'everyone' realizes there's rampant pedophilia in Hollywood? are you high?
[–]jklasdfjjs 3 points4 points5 points  (16 children)
Everyone knows Hollywood is fucked up, just like all the other entertainment industries that's no surprise.
[–]here2dare 1 point2 points3 points  (15 children)
It never gets talked about though which is the problem. Not until people involved have long died anyway.
Look at all the fawning over Bowie in recent days. How many people are discussing the fact that he had sex with 14 year old girls?
[–]YepYepImaRep 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Which episode was that? I'd heard rumors of rob reiner too
[–]giveintofate 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I don't know what this is about but I would like to learn more. That's crazy.
[–]peteypenguin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
which episode of family guy was that?
[–]samsworkreddit 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I think most people realize that what goes on in Hollywood is pretty shady. The key phrase in the question is shadier than most people realise
[–]agamemn0n 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Because we all realize how fucked Hollywood is, but it doesn't stop anyone from watching movies.
[–]Bokuchibinawa 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Holy shit... if that's the same one I just looked up, how much plastic surgery do you have to get to look like that at 50?!
[–]AnorexicBuddha 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Because everyone with two brain cells to rub together know it's shady.
[–]Leeloo_Sebat-Dallas 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I really want to watch this but can't find it anywhere. Other than torrenting is anyone aware of where I can watch online?
[–]Takagi 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Do you have a link? Not sure how to Google "Family Guy pedophilia" without ending up on a list (or getting weird pictures of Stewie).
[–]ungr8ful_biscuit 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I work as a writer and producer in Hollywood for some pretty major TV shows and that kind of thing really doesn't exist much anymore.
[–]ToPimpAButterface 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I doubt you are as connected as you think you are.
[–]DeckardPain 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
It was mentioned in here above. How have you not read the comments and made an accusation like that?
[–]ToPimpAButterface 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I only looked at top comments and at the time I didnt see the comment under the K-Pop one
[–]Ted_Denslow 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Corey Feldman has been very vocal about the issue over the years
I'm reading his book right now, and just got to the really heavy pedophilia shit. Shiiiiiiit...
[–]Scarletfapper 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Watching that trailer I just cringed so hard I think my genitals inverted.
[–]hwknight 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Which Family Guy episode was that?
[–]eccentricrealist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Was it "Dan the Man with the Plan to Get in Her Pants"?
[–]Elcyis 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Do you have a link to watch that?
[–]Dwayne_J_Murderden 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Bryan Singer isn't a pedophile. He's accused of having sex with a 17-year-old, which is an adult in most countries. A pedophile is attracted to children.
[–]doubledickdan 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The accounting is pretty insane as well.
[–]monstersinsideus 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Open secret you mean? Do you have a link to watch it for free?
[–]workfoo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Think it's called "An open secret"
[–]yourunconscious 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
There must be a lot of Hollywood people in the BBC.
[–]GregTheMad 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I'm impressed nobody mentions how Hollywood is lobbying to establish TPP, and TTIP to have global control over their intellectual property. Not to mention that this will allow US companies to create global monopolies where other countries have 0 control over.
[–]astrozombie222 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Disney is pretty non-subtle with their fondness of child fucking.
[–]Who_GNU 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Don't forget about Roman Polanski. At least Cosby only (allegedly) drugged adults to have his way with them.
[–]Heavy_Lead [score hidden]  (0 children)
This has been an unchecked problem for decades, that's gets brief glimpses of light every time someone goes public.
Edit: Yet sadly people forget about it or it gets covered up by millionaires.
[–]iveseensomecrap [score hidden]  (0 children)
Corey Feldman is insane though so there's that. Maybe the years of sexual abuse made him insane, who knows.
[–]justdiditonce [score hidden]  (0 children)
Family Guy, to my surprise, recently called this problem out and singled out Brian Singer specifically.
I don't remember The Simpson's doing this.
[–]80Eight [score hidden]  (0 children)
got a link to that family guy bit?
It doesn't come up under casual googling.
[–]deadmandrawing [score hidden]  (0 children)
Hollywood has always been a dirty, sleazy, shady world. This has never been a secret. America puts up with it because of their infatuation with the mythos of the TV/movie/music celebrity.
[–]C_Hecker [score hidden]  (0 children)
Hey the movie's actually called "An Open Secret," for anyone actually interested. I just looked it up
[–]asaasa1983 [score hidden]  (0 children)
What industry is shadier than most people realise?
You manage to wonder why people didn't post about an industry that is known to be shaddy as hell...
[–]SirSoliloquy [score hidden]  (0 children)
Yeah, the fact that Everyone in Hollywood seemed less-than-concerned about Roman Polanski's fleeing the country to avoid charges of child rape never sat well with me. It's like the whole industry just accepts that being a pedophile is just what people do.
[–]Futhermucker [score hidden]  (0 children)
reading up on dan "the hymen divider" schneider is a good place to start.
[–]1of42 [score hidden]  (0 children)
One of the biggest "open secrets" is the rampant pedophilia going on in Hollywood. Family Guy, to my surprise, recently called this problem out and singled out Brian Singer specifically.
The thing is, while there is no question that many Hollywood names have a taste for younger sexual partners, there is also no question that the accusations of pedophilia are often exaggerated or are outright fabrications.
Bryan Singer is a great example. It is unquestionably true that he likes younger guys, particularly twinky white (bonus points for fair/blond) gay guys in their late teens and early 20s. I'm a gay guy in that age range and a lot of my friends are those sort of really cute twinks: consequently I have multiple friends and acquaintances who have hooked up with him. Hell, I'm pretty sure he and I are eskimo brothers.
But I also know that all of these past hookups of his (the people I know personally, that is) were entirely consensual, and at or well above the relevant age of consent at the time. Creepy he might be in the eyes of lots of people, but pedophilic is an objectively inappropriate descriptor of (most) his behavior. Is he keeping some secret child sex dungeon? Maybe, but much more likely he's just banging a lot of 18 year olds. Hell, if you follow enough cute gay aspiring "models" or Youtubers on Instagram, you'll see them yourself.
[–]DrPepper86 [score hidden]  (0 children)
They touched on exploitation/pedophilia in one of the cases in L.A. Noire, actually.
[–]MothafuckaJones73 [score hidden]  (0 children)
I'm willing to bet that it wasn't mentioned because everyone already knows how shady it is.
[–]Forkrul -2 points-1 points0 points  (8 children)
You answered your own question, everyone knows already.
[–]ToPimpAButterface 30 points31 points32 points  (7 children)
No not everyone does. Reddit needs to stop assuming the whole world is privy to all the information they are. The Reddit community is a pretty small minority and just because "everyone" (which is a pretty huge exaggeration) knows something doesnt mean most people in the world does too.
[–]0takuSharkGuy 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
I sure as hell didn't know it was that bad. I haven't watched Family Guy for the last few seasons. I always figured that Hollywood would have some issues like that being as it is but I never imagined it'd be that bad.
[–]PablanoPato 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
I've been reading this entire comment thread and I still don't see how bad it is. So far it still just sounds like this Brian Singer ass hole and I don't even know who he is.
[–]cheeruphamlet 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Anytime a relative few people have power over the bodies of others who need those powerful people in their careers, it's probably safe to assume there's harassment if not abuse. Things suck.
[–]0takuSharkGuy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Yeah, I figure that was the case, but I was hoping it wasn't that out of control so much so that it'd be that wide spread
[–]Voxlashi 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
I think that people realize this. However, as the culprits are very well connected they are able to keep a lid on it. Thus, there is no real evidence to speak of, and most of it becomes hearsay. The vocal defenders of the alleged abusers mostly just maintain that there is no evidence, and that it might just be slander. Most people would hardly be surprised that these things happen, though.
[–]BarfReali 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Not only pedophilia. If you're an actress on set, you have to figure out who you're going to fuck. If you don't fuck anyone, you're gonna be known as a prude that no one will want to hire
[–]YepYepImaRep -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Which episode was that? I'd heard rumors of rob reiner too
[–]gusgdog -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
The television industry outside of California is just as bad but in different ways. They often ignore working conditions in favor of money such as heating in the winter(unless actors will be present)
Attempting to circumvent unions or health srandards with bribes or just threats in general
Or even demanding workers fired because they don't fit specific standards of race,creed sex or even sexual orientation
It's down right ignored by most people as well for fear they may not have a job if they speak up
[–]RaoulDuke209 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Fucking Dan Schneider runs the biggest child fuck ring ever. He calls it making stars.
[–]Ap0R1 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Ah yes pedowood. When I try to tell people I get ostracized because it's something no one wants to talk about.
[–]edbro333 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
The Evil jews mirite ? /s
[–]Britt121 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Yes, Hollywood is sick!!! Interesting that there are so many pedos involved and no one cares. The government is involved too. Stop watching TV and supporting this sick industry.
[–]Big_Ern -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
And yet Seth MacFarlane gets offended when someone hints that he's gay.
[–]gutenmorgenbaltimore -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I think it wasn't mentioned initially because a lot of people know that the industry is corrupt already. Sad, but true. As a former commercial actress, I was lucky to get out of it without experiencing the shadier aspects of the business (sex & drugs). The only thing I lost was money, since scam artists run rampant. That not only includes prominent agents, but also production companies. If you're not SAG-AFTRA, you're more than likely taken advantage of at least once. Edit: Some clarifications added.
[–]richmomz -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
It doesn't really fall under "what most people don't realize" anymore - after the industry closed ranks to defend Roman Polanski that shattered any delusions about how bad Hollywood (and showbusiness in general) is. It's not just in this country either - one of the top comments noted this is a huge problem in the K-Pop industry as well (and probably every other "pop" industry on the planet).
Pedos... pedos everywhere.
[–]malariasucks -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Allah forbid you mention how prevalent it is in Muslim countries. Yes, it's been in the news in the last year or so but over 10 years ago EVERYONE that was in the Middle East knew about it.
[–]CA2NC2NY2CA -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Pedophilia? I think you mean "ephebophilia."
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