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[–]The_Savage_Cabbage 40ポイント41ポイント  (29子コメント)

Hate to say it, but not only is SW not as popular in Asian countries as it is in the West, but well...selling a movie with a black man (or a black person) playing a lead role is a REALLY tough sell in the highly racist, white worshipping Asia.

That's why stuff like BBC's most recent Sherlock episode did so well in Asia though it got mixed reviews in the UK/Europe.

[–]SharpyShuffle 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

selling a movie with a black man (or a black person) playing a lead role is a REALLY tough sell in the highly racist, white worshipping Asia.

And yet sell it they did, very successfully. It had the third biggest opening ever in China. First place of course being held by Furious Seven and it's infamously all-white cast...

It's just strange how people on reddit pretend that the movie flopped in China or that it had some divine right to smash records there. Imagine watching TFA with no awareness of the previous films, in particular of who Han Solo is. Wouldn't it be weird how in the second act the focus suddenly shifts to some old comic relief character (because based on Han's introduction and his attempts to talk himself out of trouble, that's how he seems) and his family?

Let's be honest, without nostalgia TFA would never come close to breaking records in the west. And calling it a flop in China is basically saying 99% of films are flops. TFA is likely to make as much in China as Age of Ultron did for god's sake, and that's a far better established franchise there.

[–]Tsegen 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

Honestly, who gives a fuck either way? People here have turned watching films into a sport where they have teams and stats and they root for one massive conglomerate over another.

It's actually a bit creepy to see people angry that one major company made a few hundred million less than another.

Just watch movies.

[–]sgthombre 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

The amount of Disney worship that happens now because of Star Wars and Marvel is honestly sickening. They're no better than any other massive entertainment corporation, but suddenly people act like Bob Iger and Co are the second coming of Christ and sliced bread.

[–]gokuzbu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Disney gets them from an early age.

[–]megablast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Disney is a particularly evil company, pushing copyrights further and further out, while copying relentlessly themselves.

[–]Mr_The_Captain -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I won't say I worship Disney, but I respect them immensely because their business model is treating timeless brands and stories and characters with respect, and hoping that people buy into that (which they have). Sure, I have no doubt in my mind that it's motivated mostly by money, but that doesn't change the fact that their whole philosophy is to make people happy (which then results in buying tickets, March, etc)

[–]Tsegen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get that. I've even defended box-office watching as a rational activity. If you loved Scott Pilgrim/Dredd/whatever how well it did at the box office might affect the director, actors and films like it.

We want brands that give us works we like to succeed cause we get more of our favorite stuff.

But it can go a bit far though. I think we've clearly crossed the Rubicon into something that's a bit weird when Disney not making the greatest amount possible for their safe entry into a franchise where the other films have literally already entered pre-production stages because they were going to milk it regardless.

[–]Regi66 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

but I respect them immensely because their business model is treating timeless brands and stories and characters with respect

holy shit you are retarded

[–]thedude831 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I noticed it much more in r/StarWars, but I couldn't figure out the obsession with SW breaking box office records. Like you said, who cares? I'm not going to like the movie any more if it passes Titanic or Avatar.

[–]grottyww 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So funny to see the fanboys rip into china after the sunday, monday box office numbers came out.

[–]The_Savage_Cabbage -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm 100% not saying it is a flop by any means in China, but it won't ever be held up with the love that other Western films are and not only because SW isn't a big deal there.

[–]SharpyShuffle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are you basing this on though? Yes, Chinese society as a whole is more racist than the west's, but people in the west don't get how divided Chinese society is: there are still hundreds of millions of peasants who will never go to the cinema (and who have never seen a black person in the flesh), and it's fair to say that's where most of the racists are concentrated. Not to mention the huge generation gap; the difference in attitudes towards race, sex etc. between a Chinese teenager and their parents is often more like the difference between you and your great-grandparents.

And I just think it's strange to complain about racist Chinese people not wanting to see films with black leads, when the US doesn't make any such films anyway. Where exactly are these films they're refusing to see? Considering only blockbuster action films (ie. films aimed at young urban males, the most progressive part of the population who all love Kobe, LeBron et al) make it into China due to restrictions, and considering that the only recent such films I can think of starring black people are TFA and the Furious films, I don't see what the evidence is.

Surely the primary burden is on us Westerners to promote black stars in the first place? If, say, Michael B. Jordan turns into the next Will Smith over here but Chinese people refuse to see his films, then we can turn around and criticize them. But right now it just seems like the criticism is coming from fanboys (not you personally, but in general) lashing out because the franchise they've loved for decades isn't as loved by people who only became aware of it a few months ago.

[–]silverrabbit 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This keeps getting said but Furious 7 did really well in China and a fast majority of the cast for that film isn't white.

[–]CrapfestLicker 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hate to say it, but not only is SW not as popular in Asian countries as it is in the West, but well...selling a movie with a black man (or a black person) playing a lead role is a REALLY tough sell in the highly racist, white worshipping Asia.

Don't forget a female lead

[–]chanandlerer 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Having lived in China, I have to disagree. As much as you can argue that gender roles are different in China, films with female leads can and have succeeded in the past. The race thing is truly the main hurdle here.

[–]sudevsenr/Movies Veteran 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, that just triggered me hard.

Nobody in Asia cares about SW cause it wasn't part of their childhood.

Do you really think it's so.e deep seated racial angle that's causing the movie to fail rather than a simple "nobody cares enough"?

[–]The_Savage_Cabbage -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like I said, SW isn't as popular in Asia and it's really not a big deal there for the most part - but the racial angle DOES play a big factor nonetheless. Speaking as a person who is familiar with Asian culture to put it one way, I know full well what'll make or break an import there.

Remove the black character of Finn and replace him with a hot white guy and Sw, while still not being a big deal there would have still done much better for a longer time, mark my words.

[–]GangaPutra -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No it wouldn't have, we don't care about SW here. People like Star Trek much more.

[–]fordmodelt 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Japan LOVES Star Wars man.

[–]gokuzbu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Samurai. Kenobi. Jedi. Hidden Fortress. Easy to see why.

[–]Diggasson 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

"A movie franchise I love and my country loves didn't do so well in a different culture so they most be racist!!"

[–]The_Savage_Cabbage -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you need to look up white-worship in Asia before you make such a comment.

Considering who I am, I should know.

[–]HowieGaming 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why stuff like BBC's most recent Sherlock episode did so well in Asia though it got mixed reviews in the UK/Europe.

What's this about?

[–]broketeen1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Part of it is also that Star Wars in general isn't well known over there.

[–]Zilean 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is so blatantly false. Idk why it's so upvoted.