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| Topic Started: Apr 7 2011, 09:02 PM (15,517 Views) | |
| memobekes | Apr 7 2011, 09:02 PM Post #1 |
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Dinarics in a nutshell: [blockquote]The Dinarid race is very tall, dark, high-skulled and round-skulled (brachycephalic), with a very large, long, but also rather broad, face and with a large, more or less bent nose [/blockquote] Bertil LUNDMAN: The Living Races and Peoples of Europe, 1946 [blockquote]This race is remarkable for very tall stature, brachycephaly, long convex noses, and deep faces with heavy chins. Pigmentation is usually brunet-white as to skin color, and brown or black as to their color--but there is a considerable variation toward mixed and light eyes and medium to light hair tints. In the Dinaric head is very high and relatively short, but perhaps it is not so strongly peaked as in the Armenoid. The face is much longer and more massive, the nose rather more finely cut and perhaps thinner in the tip; the chin is heavier and projects farther forward. Body and beard hair in these Dinarics are ordinarily heavily developed. The dominant strains in this mixed type are Iranian Plateau, Alpine, and Nordic; but the Nordic seems much more heavily represented than it is in the Armenoid subrace. The great stature, facial elongation, and comparatively light pigmentation often observed in skin, hair and eyes, seem to be due to a strong Nordic component, or perhaps to hybrid vigor. The extreme brachycephaly is presumably derived from the Alpine strain, although it is rather puzzling to find the cephalic index in this type even higher than in the Alpine race itself. Combinations quite indistinguishable from this Dinaric race are found as group or individual variations wherever these same White strains occur in mixtures.[/blockquote] Earnest HOOTON: Twilight of Man, 1939 Country: Serbia Pred. Dinarics: Mirko Cvetković Diana Dragutinović Oliver Ivanović Radomir Antić Ljubisa Samardzić (Classic example) Country: Bosnia Herzegovina Quintessential Dinarics: Vahid Halilhodžić Safet Sušić (Could also be placed under the "Norid" subtype as well) Fuad Muzurović Sulejman Bugari According to some sources, the "Dinaric" nose most likely derived from the Near Eastern "Armenoid" or/and "Classical" types. Although the "Dinaric" and "Armenoid" strains do not share a common racial ancestor, they are nonetheless unified as a result of common skeleto/facial/cranial traits such as the convex nose and planoccipital skull. Indeed, historically, most Western ethnologists/anthropologists did not make a clear-cut distinction between these two closely related types. Quite often they were classified as "two variants" of the same branch. In addition to the Balkans and some surrounding territory, "Dinarics" can also be found widespread in Anatolia, the Caucasus and sporadically in upper Mesopotamia. It is no surprise that a lot of Near Easterners and Southeastern European peoples are mistaken for each other, as it is this type that "blends" or "gels" together such complex populations over a vast stretch of area. Edited by memobekes, Dec 22 2011, 09:52 PM.
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| Larry | Apr 7 2011, 09:41 PM Post #2 |
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The last part is probably written by the distinguished professor Memo Bekić. His conclusion is:
And here is what Joseph Deniker says:
I'm tired of this crap some Middle Easterners on the forum are writing, constantly trying to separate Balkans and Southern Italy from the rest of the Europe and to show in an exaggerated way the connection between the Balkans and the Middle East. |
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| memobekes | Apr 7 2011, 10:14 PM Post #3 |
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No, no, you missed out something very important. It should be Memo Efendija or "gospodine" Bekić
Brat, before jumping into biases and preconceived notions, please read through my work properly, instead of just perusing. This is what I said: [blockquote]In addition to the Balkans and some surrounding territory, "Dinarics" can also be found widespread in Anatolia, the Caucasus and sporadically in upper Mesopotamia.[/blockquote] You see, I am just echoing Deniker's words. I am not writing anything different, am I? I mean, what part of "surrounding territory" don't you get? Moreover, the highly-respected racial anthropologist Carleton S. Coon released photographic plates on Dinarics in the Near East and for the most part, they are indistinguishable from their racial brethren in the Balkans. Please consult, for example: http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/p-40.htm http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/p-41.htm You can refute all you want but it will not change the facts on the ground. Edited by memobekes, Apr 7 2011, 10:15 PM.
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| Larry | Apr 7 2011, 10:43 PM Post #4 |
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Mentioning a half of Europe as ''some surrounding area'' can be hardly called objective. Coon is also giving examples of Dinarics from some distant parts of Europe such as Britain or Netherlands, but you are skipping all this and focusing on a connection with the Middle East. The 'fact on the ground' is that you're just a pathetic Middle Eastern wannabe who is grabbing every chance to exaggerate or distort facts, with the aim to present himself closer to Europe. It would be more honest if you simply name your topic ''Similarity between Anatolian and Balkan types'' or something like that. Like this, you pretend to analyze Balkan phenotypes but it is visible immediately what are your goals. And the same pictures you have already posted on numerous topics, these are not even good examples of Dinaric type. |
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| memobekes | Apr 8 2011, 12:57 AM Post #5 |
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No, I don't "pretend" anything. You just detest the cold hard facts thrown at you from all directions Whenever the "Balkans" and "Near East" are brought together here on AnthroScape, you bristle, whine and resort to cheap tactics. I couldn't care less if you brand me a "wannabee". You are hiding behind clichés all the time. But as soon as science comes into play, you duck and close your eyes. How clever of you. |
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| Robin Goodfellow | Apr 8 2011, 09:10 PM Post #6 |
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Alpine/paleo europid/ long face alpine> Fraud Muzurovic. |
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| midnight09 | Apr 8 2011, 09:18 PM Post #7 |
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When talking about Dinarid population, they are not represented only on Balkan, but also in some Central European countries. It is also one of main phenotypes in Slovakia, after East Alpine and before West Baltid. For example actor Martin Huba, and singer Barbara Hascakova: |
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Apr 8 2011, 09:19 PM Post #8 |
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Looks Greek. |
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| midnight09 | Apr 8 2011, 09:23 PM Post #9 |
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I woud guess him for Montenegrin, but it is very famous Slovakian actor. |
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| memobekes | Apr 8 2011, 11:49 PM Post #10 |
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According to one source, "Dinarics" total about 25% in Slovakia and Czech Republic and are found in healthy numbers in the Moravia region. Edited by memobekes, Apr 8 2011, 11:49 PM.
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| midnight09 | Apr 8 2011, 11:54 PM Post #11 |
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Well, Im sure there is only 25% in Slovakia. Those sources are not good, because about Serbia they dont say anything about Alpine type, and im sure Alpine in Serbia must be minimum 20% if not more. |
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| memobekes | Apr 8 2011, 11:59 PM Post #12 |
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[blockquote]East of the Adriatic Sea lies Yugoslavia. This region is predominantly Dinarid in race. The maximum is attained in the southern part of Yugoslavia, in Herzegovina and still more in Montenegro. Other racial types are found in the poor interior Alpine mountain regions. Toward Austria the frequency of Nordid types increases. In the northeastern part of Yugoslavia East-Baltid and also East-Alpine strains are found.[/blockquote] Source: Bertil LUNDMAN, The Living Races and Peoples of Europe, 1946. |
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| midnight09 | Apr 9 2011, 12:40 AM Post #13 |
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I wouldnt say only North-East of Yugoslavia. Southern Serbia is more Pontid-Med... Central and Eastern Serbia is more Alpine... People who live in Vojvodina are mostly descents of Montenegrians, and people from parts of Bosnia, Croatia... and those people are highly Dinaric. |
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Apr 9 2011, 12:42 AM Post #14 |
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There's got to be 30 million Turks in the Balkans and 70 million in Western Turkey. I'm not sure why these Serbians deny they have Illyrian blood. And they think they're like Nordic Gods. |
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| Crimson Guard | Apr 9 2011, 12:44 AM Post #15 |
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There is no source for %, and if you're getting it from Richard McCulloch then you're in grave error, he's no anthropologist and his figures are bogus. Dinarics stretch from West Asia to Scandinavia, same as the Alpines and Mediterraneans which they're derived. If there was a migration of "Dinarics", it came from Anatolia during the Copper or Iron Age. |
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| midnight09 | Apr 9 2011, 12:44 AM Post #16 |
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Nobody deny anything. Serbs are not Nordid population. Actually Turks are more Alpine/Turanid/Mediterranian than Dinaric. And I'm talking that percent of those types Alpine/Mediterranian is more higher in Serbia. |
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Apr 9 2011, 12:44 AM Post #17 |
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Another thing memobekes, is that you have a East Med phenotype I can tell by the shape of your forehead and other features and you're not Semitic or Middle Eastern so I think you should change your status. In Asia Minor yes, but I got trolled by that Serbian boy and he was saying I look Middle Eastern when I have a East Med phenotype because i've got Illryians from the Caucasus Azerbaijanis and Thracian blood and and of Serbs have that, now if I put the pictures of my family that had more Illyrian blood as in the ones with black hair and olive coloured skin they'd be classified as non White also. Illyrians sorry double posted. The Near East does overlap with South Eastern Europe so some of us can have ancestry from Europe and some Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans can have Near Eastern ancestry. Edited by nottellingyou, Apr 9 2011, 12:50 AM.
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| midnight09 | Apr 9 2011, 01:03 AM Post #18 |
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My sister is Alpine with East Med influence and she is Serbian. She has very dark skin and curly hair. And she is very pretty, she is more pretty than me. |
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Apr 9 2011, 07:42 PM Post #19 |
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I have some questions since i dont know a lot about antropolgy. from which people do the dinarics descent? For example from where do the dinarics from Anatolia come from?
Edited by logi, Apr 9 2011, 07:44 PM.
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| Larry | Apr 9 2011, 08:05 PM Post #20 |
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I don't think Dinaric look can be assigned to a particular group of people... Apparently it appears in different ethnic groups which do not share a common ancestry. I think Coon also said that Dinaric is a variation that occurs in various groups and Deniker defined it as derived from Mediterranean and Alpine. So maybe Dinarics emerged in places where Meds and Alpines got in touch with each other? |
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