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[–]gottough 36 points37 points38 points  (8 children)
We got nothing to celebrate really, our HDI still among the worst in the world and we comparing ourselves to THE WORST in the world.
We have still have more people living in desperate poverty than whole of sub Saharan Africa Combined.
Just head over to Indian Media websites now, they are busy covering Obama, Golden Globes. and recently Intolerance, Sheena bora murder, Yakub menon hanging issues of very little national importance.
Nothing beats Economic Growth I want Indian Media to focus on Economy and Economy alone.
Edit: When British left us we are are on the verge of famine mass starvation with huge population, high fertility rate, absolute illiteracy and here i say not many intellectuals to guide huge diverse population.
India's survival itself is an achievement, proud but celebrations should be left for when we achieve great things in Space, Science and Technology of the 1st world we are on the way. Economic Growth is key
[–]MelSIndia [score hidden]  (0 children)
Of course India has more people living in desperate poverty than the whole of sub Saharan Africa because India has 200M more people than the WHOLE of Africa. India is growing, its economy is growing and it is dragging people out of poverty day by day at a far greater rate than any other developing nation in the world. That is something to celebrate.
[–]RajaRajaC/r/Indiapolicy 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
To be honest, we were literally THE worst in 1947 - some 12% literacy rate, a GDP that had "grown" at a stellar rate of less than 1% per annum, real wages had halved from 1700 to 1870. GDP per Capita had gone from $728 USD in 1700 to $ 533 in 1870 to $ 437 in 1947 - yep, British rule near about halved our GDP per capita in just about 150 years AND we had a humongous population to boot. We were expected to Balkanise before the mid 50's were out, and well really, the poster child for poverty (which we still are).
Given all this, Idk, it is a fair comparison to make.
Source for some of the data http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/sbroadberry/wp/indiangdppre1870v2.pdf. For GDP related data it is Angus Madisson.
[–]badurkel/s 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers
[–]Crimemastergogu -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
We have everything to celebrate. We were the worst as far as HDI parameters go at independence. The number of Indians below poverty line was a staggering 90%. Our life expectancy was at 31 years. Things haven't moved as fast as they should have but democracy is always chaotic initially. We have indeed come a very long way, but as they say, miles to go before I sleep.
[–]crimegogo♫ zindadil taazgi ♫ [score hidden]  (3 children)
HDI wasn't devised until the late 80s/90s.
[–]Crimemastergogu [score hidden]  (2 children)
Sure, the composite indicator was not structured but individual parameters have always been assessed. Data is available for individual parameters.
Downvoters, at least counter me with facts.
[–]crimegogo♫ zindadil taazgi ♫ [score hidden]  (1 child)
A lot of nations were worse off than us then and fare better today. There is ample evidence that improvement in these parameters has slowed post liberalization, even as Bangladesh and Pakistan are fast catching up
[–]n00bsarec00lt00[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
even as Bangladesh and Pakistan are fast catching up
what... pakistan was better than india at independence, in fact is per capita was almost 2x that of india... now india is 1.5x better than pak
similarly bangladesh went from being close to india to being .7x of India, the gap is only increasing not decreasing. The reason those countries have better HDI params in certain sectors ie because they were richer than india for a long time, and in fact India's params are changing to become better than both pak and bangladesh... the gap is further increasing is also evidenced by the fact that india's economic growth rate far outstrips bangladesh and pakistan.
[–]svmk1987 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
I always find it hilarious when anyone compares us to China. That country has stormed ahead over the last several decades, its not even worth comparing with.
[–]ribiy 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Comparison was once very valid but the late the 2000s changed the picture so much that it looks a bit silly now.
It's like when in 60s or 70s Lee Kwan Yew said that he wants Singapore to develop and be like Sri Lanka. It's other way around now.
Having said that comparing India with China is still valid in certain situations.
In terms of overall GDP (not per capita or even PPP) India has become very large and is just behind US, China, Japan and Germany (significantly) and UK and France (close with the gap to be bridged in next 5-10 years). So when we talk of overall GDP the immediate comparison is with UK and France but they being developed European countries we end up looking at China (although their gdp at USD11trn is huge compared to ours at USD2.2trn about 5x, In PPP terms its about 2x).
The population, proximity and our desire to gain manufacturing puts us in comparison with China. For certain specific industries it is meaningful to compare the two. For example Bangladesh and Pakistan are no match for India but when we talk of textiles industry the comparison becomes valid.
[–]GiantAlien5TinyHeadsBE POLITE, YOU IDIOT. 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
And we're still behind sub saharan Africa in HDI indices
[–]despisedlove2 -2 points-1 points0 points  (8 children)
Puts the pernicious effect of socialism in perspective.
[–]aelateewe invanted DESIgnated. 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
wut
[–]hearing_aids_bot 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
PUTS THE PERNICIOUS EFFECT OF SOCIALISM IN PERSPECTIVE.
[–]aelateewe invanted DESIgnated. -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Huh?
[–]Akhand_Bharat -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Thanks Nehru.
[–]crimegogo♫ zindadil taazgi ♫ [score hidden]  (0 children)
Nehru steered India towards dirigisme not socialism
[–]uptightdude [score hidden]  (1 child)
India needs socialism. Sorry, but growth only, cannot lift millions out of poverty.
[–]n00bsarec00lt00[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
oh ye, i guess china, singapore,s korea are exceptions to ur philosophy then...
[–]liall_de 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Current US $ we are till behind Sub saharan Africa according to that link lol
[–]n00bsarec00lt00[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
how does that matter? All that proves is subsharan africa is poor and does not even have an advantage of being a cheap place to make goods.
historically countries have always been compared by PPP per capita to measure how wealthy a country was...
[–]NegativeX -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
Sub saharan Africa is a huge geographical region with a bunch of countries that don't relate well to India. It would be more meaningful to compare similar countries, like Sri Lanka for instance.
[–]RajaRajaC/r/Indiapolicy 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
How is this a meaningful comparision? Comparing a Subcontinent with 1.3 Bn people to a tiny Island with a population lesser than the population of Greater Mumbai and a little bit of Pune mixed in?
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