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So much Construction in Guangzhou/China.. archaeological history being wiped out for large foundations/subway.. I cant imagine all the undocumented treasures and history being looted and passed over during construction. Whoa the sadness washes over me. (self.China)
AntiNSA2 が 4時間前 投稿
For such a larch and glorious civilization, the museums lack so much.
[–]laowailaoshistyleUnited States 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (8子コメント)
What percentage of mainland Chinese people care about museums or history? I've only met one or two in 10+ years.
[–]AntiNSA2[S] 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
hard to care when all they've ever known are the museums which have always been bare.....
[–]laowailaoshistyleUnited States 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
The only half-decent museum in Guangzhou is the Tomb of the Nanyue Emperor, and I also like the Sanyuanli People's Anti-British Martyr Memorial Hall better than the GZ Museum or the two Guangdong Museums, which are quite depressing inside. Museums aren't supposed to be dark and gloomy, unless China. The Prague torture museum is more cheery than most Chinese ones.
[–]AntiNSA2[S] 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Funny how empty the tomb of the Nanyue Emperor is. Quite depressing indeed....
I mean, could we not just have a museum of the trash left over from the original looters? Or perhaps a car show with the nice Maseratis, and sexy ktv girls paid for, or even a photo gallery of all the overseas students who enjoyed a harmonious ivy league education paid for by the emperor himself? I mean.... sheesh... Everyone thinkgs the Jade costume and jade discs were so valuable...
Guess they should have see the gold ones....
[–]jp599United States 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Really. For all the talk about 5000 years, it seems few ordinary Chinese people are really interested in finding out what happened in those 5000 years. Finding people who are interested in philosophy or Chinese religion is also (sadly) rare.
I was watching a documentary on Hung Gar kung fu recently, and the guys being interviewed said basically that few Chinese people are interested in devoting their time to kung fu these days, because people just want to make money, so real kung fu is dying out in China because there aren't enough interested young people to pass it on.
Materialism is a disease that destroys real culture.
[–]allestacious 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
"5000 years" isn't about history, it's about tradition. It's the fact people do the same things now as they did back them, because China is nothing if but the continuation of a set of rituals and customs that bind people through space and time into one.
tldr; 5000 years? Why stop now?
[–]goin_dangUnited States 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Now here's an irony: For ages, the Chinese has been combating against the lack of material well-being.
For all the talk about 5000 years, it seems few ordinary Chinese people are really interested in finding out what happened in those 5000 years.
It's all about Mianzi. Chinese are all about talk the talk, but never walk the walk.
I've only met one or two in 10+ years.
You sir are evidently among the luckier ones.
[–]LaowaiLaowei 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
I've only met one Chinese with a critical mind, true intellect and broad horizons in my 8 years here, I married her, this explains that.
[–]scionicate 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
chinese only give a fuck about chinese history when it's in a foreign museum.
[–]AntiNSA2[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
+1 Absolutely
[+]goin_dangUnited States スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 3時間前 (9子コメント)
For such a larch and glorious civilization
Boohwahahahaha! Ha hahahaha! Teehahahahaha! Teeheheheeehahaha!
I don't know about the 'larch' part but Glorious? It most certainly was not. The Chinese civilization as we know it, has always been and always will be, uncivilized and backward. Make no mistake about that.
[–]GuessImStuckWithThisGreat Britain 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (4子コメント)
All of it???? What about Daoism... the Tang and Song dynasties, Zhang He's treasure fleets?
You really can't write off the totality of Chinese history and culture in such a glib way
[–]jp599United States 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Also, Chinese Buddhism preserved more of Indian Buddhism's texts than anything left in India. Even the Qing dynasty, while backward, engaged in patronage of the arts, literature, etc.
For example, in the Qing dynasty, the Qianlong Emperor sponsored the printing and circulation of a major new and improved Chinese Buddhist canon. Modern China has never engaged in such huge projects giving patronage to meaningful literature. (The canon is not small either, more than an entire shelf of King James bibles.)
The ROC and PRC were the beginning of the end, and both gained legitimacy by bashing the imperial age and everything associated with it. What meaningful things has the PRC done to propagate ancient teachings of Chinese philosophy and religion?
Imperial China went through swings, but it had some very high highs, and it still produced more amazing things than anything coming out of China these days. Imperial China is still what fascinates people about China, not all these cheaply made concrete high-rise apartments.
[–]goin_dangUnited States -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間前 (2子コメント)
Yes! I! Can!
All of it????
All of it. Thaaaaaaaat's right.
What about Daoism
Yea, what about it? Other than a bunch of quasi-philosophical drivel?
the Tang and Song dynasties
Oh yea, what about them! Both were incredibly corrupt. Emperor Xuanzong was a lecherous old goof, who wasted tons of treasury money on a woman junior enough to be his granddaughter. And from the beginning of the Song dynasty, it was doomed as none of its emperors understood the term "effective governance". In the end, the Song Dynasty had to relocate its capital several times because it was unable to defend itself from conquerors.
Zhang He's treasure fleets
You mean Cheng Ho's fleets? He was a eunuch, but the only one among all Chinese with enough balls to boldly explore into the unknown world. He reached as far as Africa, but only to return with some exotic zoo creatures. Why? Because of the Mianzi culture of the Chinese. He was there — not to conquer, not to colonize, but to show off how great Min Dynasty was. And the whole exploration fad ground to an abrupt stop after a Min Emperor made an edict that whoever dared to slide a piece of wood into the sea, should be executed. Yea, they were back then, that ridiculous and that backward.
You sometimes wonder why a China you see today is so utterly distasteful? Well, it goes way, way back...
[–]GuessImStuckWithThisGreat Britain 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
Such a ridiculous point of view, you could write off almost the whole of human history like this:
America's Westward expansion: Witnessed the systematic genocide of an entire people and culture.
Britain's Imperial Age: Possibly some of the most heinous, brutal and unscrupulous acts committed ever... too long a list, but the Opium Wars springs to mind, as does the slave trade which killed about 3 million Africans during the middle passage.
The Elizabethan age; O.k, so you had Shakespeare, but the people who watched Shakespeare were loud, foul-mouthed, lewd and probably incredibly smelly cunts, who would urinate over each other whilst watching it. Also, his plays weren't as popular as the gruesome public executions, and whilst going to watch them if you strayed to close to a window you might get covered in the human shit someone was throwing from it.
The Romans: Emperor Caligula was a complete sociopathic sadist who loved nothing more than dressing up as a Lion in the Gladiatorial arena and mutilating people's genitals before they were put to death. Meanwhile, Nero provided light for his parties by covering Christians in tar and burning them. And Tiberius, one of the better Emperors, used to throw people of the cliffs of Capri just for the fun of it, whilst also torturing a fisherman with a giant crab that he brought him as a present, and allegedly indulging in recreational pedophilia.
And then you've got the Greeks, who gave us Athens, but also Sparta, which was a totally segregated, completely brutal society which institutionalized child abuse and pederasty, if the children survived being abandoned at birth, and expected men to kidnap and rape their wives in place of a marriage ceremony.
Should we write off all these civilisations too?
[–]goin_dangUnited States 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
America's Westward expansion
But to be fair, the descendants of Europeans weren't the direct cause of the extinction of the natives. I mean you can't just charge at something on a horse with bow & arrows just because it looks strange and runs on two piece of steel bars at 20 miles per hour right? Besides, think about the end result! The final product! America! Coast to Coast! Isn't that wonderful? What happened after Min Dynasty? What had China done for humanity? Let's not be drastic.
Britain's Imperial Age:
Industrial revolution! Science breakthroughs! First undersea comm. cable! Plantation for South Asian people! Michael faraday! Electricity! Steam power! Weeeeee! See? The west had so, so much to offer!
Look, I didn't say no nothing about the West being a bed of rose. But at the end of the day, when all the dust settles, which side produce far, far better results? Which side contribute way, way more to humanity? The west. Bam! Hands down. I know it sounds Eurocentric and jingoistic, but I'm telling the truth. Truth, hey, that's a bitch. Can't blame me right?
[Lights up a cigar and put feet on the table]
[–]AntiNSA2[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (3子コメント)
nonono... They make great walls.
[–]AntiNSA2[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
and more than that. It is the scientific method. Humans create greatness on a per ratio basis. Only too much is hidded from the masses from the greediness of the few. Elon Musk... he may save us all however...
[–]goin_dangUnited States -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Ever thought about letting the Trump be the MFIC for a Green Wall project funded by Elon Musk and built by the Chinese, alongside the south borders?
[–]goin_dangUnited States -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Ok, that one obviously.
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