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Is FFIV the most underrated game in the series? There are games that get a lot of talk like 6, 7, and 10, and 8, 9, and 12 have devoted fanbases, and then there are the bad games, but no one really talks about 4.

No that would be 5. 4 gets brought up semi-often and Square thought it'd be profitable enough to make a shitty sequel.

4 is the first good final fantasy though outside of the original that saved square.

it's just that when you compare the old ones 6 always comes out on top

It's good, but in comparison to the rest of the series it's a pretty basic JRPG outside of the ATB system.

>>323255949 (OP)
No, IV is widely praised and is one of the best games in the series. It just doesn't have a super expensive remake coming out so it's not being discussed. Shit has been out for years and gotten sequels, there's really not much else worth discussing unless Nomura decides to give IV a super expensive remake.
Now dump Amano art.
>>323256082
The TAY was okay and gave us a cool as fuck outfit for Kain

>>323256218
FF3 is legitimately good, anyone who thinks otherwise was probably too casual to finish it. The funny part is its not even hard by regular standards, just by final fantasy standards.

4 is when they started shoving narrative down your throat, it's the beginning of modern Final Fantasy.

I understand it was novel back in the time, but the story is dumb as fuck. Everyone dies dramatically and comes back later.

4 is the most popular game before 7

the 6 fanbase is entirely a western internet message board thing the game isn't that universally liked

The story of IV is cliche as fuck, I love classic FF but you can't deny the weakest point of that game is having such a generic story. It also lacks good villains throughout the story.

It's not bad, but it's forgettable, and I say that after playing it at least 4 times on an actual SNES no frameskip bullshit or savestate faggotry.

Their fans are just Rydia/Rosa waifufags.

>>323255949 (OP)
No, FFIV is pretty popular.
All NES FF games are underrated nowadays, but FFV is the most underrated one in the whole main series.

>>323256463
As someone who played through the entire game... no, it really wasn't that hard by FF standards either.

Should I play ds or psp?
I like the art for both (preferring psp) but I heard ds is harder and has an improved battle system. Does the fact it runs at 15fps in battles matter also?

I don't know how you could call any FF game underrated. Even at its worst, the games are still more known and talked about then most JRPG's

Is IV or V the one where you go to the moon? I've seen it recommended for someone favoring IX.

How often people talk about a game is not always a reliable way to gauge its popularity.

>>323256906
Just play the GBA version.

>>323256906
I have a hard time deciding between the two. It depends on if you want more content and damn good sprite work, or you want voice acting and a more difficult game.

>>323256906
DS has added bonuses and is pretty much the only example of a JRPG remake being completely superior or equal to the original in all ways.

It's the most overrated final fantasy.

>worst combat barely any choice compared to 1-3
>story has an overly dramatic death every 4 seconds and kain quintuple crosses you or something fuck it I lost count
>gets 50 million ports, remakes and sequels anyway

>>323255949 (OP)
5 is the most underrated
4 gets a lot of praise for how barren it actually is

>>323256863
really? I've played through all of them except for some of the spin offs and none of them were harder to me than 3. I'm not saying the game itself is actually hard, just that the rest of the FFs are that easy.

>>323256906
I prefer DS because of the new stuff.

I used to really hate FF4 back when I first played it on the DS, I had it ranked with the likes of 2, that is until I played the PSP version years later. For some reason I liked it a lot more, though I can't really say why.

>>323257335
It really wasn't that hard at all if you had any grasp of the paradigm system. Unless you just put exp in the wrong skills.

>>323257145
VI is the most overrated tho senpai

>>323257707
I think you're confused here, I'm talking about III, the one that introduced jobs.

>>323255949 (OP)
FF4 isn't underrated at all, it's one of the most popular game in the franchise in both Japan and the west and has tons of ports and remakes, including a sequel that had its own ports and remakes.

>>323256772
>It also lacks good villains throughout the story.
How? In most RPGs the bosses are just unrelated monsters at the end of dungeons. In FF4 the elemental fiends are pretty cool with each having their own personality quirk and unique gameplay gimmick while Golbez serves as a good antagonist force that you meet multiple time and get to fight early. They also have kickass music.

>>323256906
They both offer different additions.
DS has 3D graphics, voice acting on some cutscenes, the Augment system (Tough a lot of people aren't fond of it)
PSP has 2D but very clean graphics, additional optional dungeons and the ability to switch character. It also comes with the sequel.
The DS version is harder, but it makes the boss battle very fun. The PSP version still has annoying random encounters anyway.
Personally I prefer the PSP version since I prefer the artstyle and switching characters over augments (Augments are really just there to make up for the lack of character switching) and I personally like the sequel even tough many people dislike it.

>>323257013
That's IV
V doesn't bring you to the moon but it still has multiple world maps

>>323256463
3 is bad because the game has a job system that both punishes you for switching job and constantly forces you to use specific job (Dungeons where only magic is effective, bosses only weak to a specific classes, etc.) so for most of the game you're using what the game wants you to use rather than what you want to use and when you get to the end of the game there are three classes worth using, so you never actually customize/experiment with the jobs, only other games with jobs in the series.

>>323257145
Kain betrayed you twice, the combat was fine and it may be clichéd as fuck but I love the story in it. You're overblowing the issues and if you're bitching about being able to change characters out that's available to you in later versions.

>>323257571
Psp is easier for you casuals, they really made ff4ds a challenge.

>>323258016
>FF3 is legitimately good
Oh, shit, okay, I'm sorry. I usually hear people say that about 13.

>>323255949 (OP)
I still think 9 and 12 are the most under appreciated.

>>323258304
>>323258304
though no tough

>>323256906
I think the DS version is an example of low poly done in a nice way.

>>323258413
While the enemies in the DS version are generally stronger than their GBA/PSP versions due to the increased stats and patterns, they also have added weaknesses to various status effects to make them easier to deal with and your characters have need buff spells not available in other version. The GBA/PSP exclusive dungeons and bosses are also harder than the exclusive DS bosses, and GBA/PSP actually has a stronger Zeromus than the DS version. So the DS is hard throughout while the GBA/PSP version is relatively easy for most of the game but actually has a slightly more difficul endgame.

FF4 is the safest FF. Very cliche fantasy story. Characters that act exactly like their classes stereotypically portray them. Characters even get married and live happily ever after at the end, until the sequel happens anyway.

I miss RPGs like that.

Will they ever make V and VI in 3D? I thought that was the route they were going to take on the DS.

>>323260361
Nomura wants to remake VI but it depends on if VIIR will sell well, so expect a VIR in the next decade

>>323260361
During a FF7 interview, Nomura mentioned that they skipped the remakes from 4 to 7 but they'll have to fix that eventually.

>>323255949 (OP)

>FFIV
>Underrated

I swear FF fans are the dumbest fanbase tied with MOBA fans.

>>323260657
All fanbases are retarded shit.

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>>323260361
They want to.

But who knows when it will be a reality.

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>>323260361
Beta screenshot of FF6 on 3DS showing Shadow and Locke, don't show this to anyone else or my dad could lose his job

>>323256772
It's cliche by today's standards and a story having familiar tropes does not mean it's bad if they're well done.

>>323260806

I can name some which are pretty chill and even nice. But this thread would start bashing those games in defense.

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>>323260986
Another screenshot showing Terra, Locke and a golem enemy

>>323256772
Everything will become cliche in the future.

>>323255949 (OP)
I like it, but I'd rather play 5. I wish 5 had gotten a low poly remake. I would play that shit all the time.

>>323255949 (OP)

4 is a meme game

>>323261076
Is the series that start with a D and has a better third game in the mainline?
Because as a FFfag I would agree with you

>>323261009

>It's cliche by today's standards
The story was cliche back in 1992 anon. There were JRPGs on the NES that already did the things FFIV did in terms of story. And better.

>and a story having familiar tropes does not mean it's bad if they're well done.
Problem is, FFIV didn't do them well. Cecil is everything wrong with a FF protagonist. Rosa is Tifa with blonde hair, fulfilling the exact same 'foil' role as Tifa does to Cloud. Most of the other cast is pretty forgettable. Even moreso when they all sacrifice themselves for an idiot who just sits there and watches them die (Cecil). The whole friend betraying you was already cliche in previous RPGs and novels going back 3000 years. And finally, the game had more poorly done plot twists than a Star Warts prequel.

>>323261265
Your life is a meme.

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>>323261342

Yes.

>>323261265
>meme game
I hate this meme

>>323260657
>fanbase with large amounts of people have a larger ratio of stupid people
Wow, big surprise. The more people you group together, the higher chance of stupidity. This is true for anything.

>>323261425
Name some of these superior rpgs on the nes.

Also, most of the cast is very memorable to me, even Edward. The twins first sacrifice, Tellah for a while and then little Rydia. You say Rosa is just Tifa except she came first and I don't get why that is your argument.

>>323261504
so it was C series?...nah every discussion are endless "lol cross is a lot better family" or "fuck you guys, first game still is best game eva made"

>>323262010

Image is Dragon Quest III bro.

>>323255949 (OP)
Of course it is underrated, it's not like it has been ported or remade over 9000 times...
>Final Fantasy 4
>Final Fantasy 4 PS1
>Final Fantasy 4 GBA
>Final Fantasy 4 DS
>Final Fantasy 4 PSP
>Final Fantasy 4 Fast 4 Furious
>I'm sure I forgot some

...or got a shitty sequel (storywise it is literally fanfiction tier) because it's one of the most popular entries in the series especially in Japan.

>>323261425
>Cecil is everything wrong with a FF protagonist.
Cecil is perfectly fine as a protagonist, he sets out on a goal and doesn't stop until it is complete, he isn't even distracted from his goal when Kain betrays him or he learns the truth about his origins.
>Rosa is Tifa with blonde hair, fulfilling the exact same 'foil' role as Tifa does to Cloud.
How can that make sense when Rosa was there first?
>Most of the other cast is pretty forgettable.
I disagree, I think the characters are very memorable and have stuck with me through the years.
>And finally, the game had more poorly done plot twists than a Star Warts prequel.
This is either poorly done bait or you're just an idiot.

>>323262434

>Cecil is perfectly fine as a protagonist, he sets out on a goal and doesn't stop until it is complete, he isn't even distracted from his goal when Kain betrays him
Can't help but notice you skipped over the part where he explained Cecil sits there indecisive and stupid while everyone around him keeps dying.

He also goes into a 5 hour self pity phase when Kain betrays him. Culminating in his giving up his Dark powers and transforming into a Paladin.

>>323258008
kill yourself

>>323256514
2 had already done that.

I got really bored of 4 at the moon. Gonna pick it up again soon i guess, give it another try

>>323255949 (OP)
4 is an obnoxious mess where your party members are constantly leaving and joining and disappearing with very little warning to the player, so valuable items are lost and time is wasted building exp on characters that may no longer be usable or even relevant to the story. Do not play without a guide.

>>323262668
>while everyone around him keeps dying.
>everyone
Tellah and that's it.
It's not like stopping him would had helped at all.

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>>323261425
Don't try and tell me you didn't catch feels the first time you saw the twins turn themselves to stone to save the others.

Best in the series bar none.

Had an actual good story with well fleshed out characters people gave a fuck about for its time. It was also a pure classic Final Fantasy experience, unlike everything that came after 5.

>>323263278

>the others don't count because they get revived
Just stop. If anything, that makes their 'death' even more weak of a plot point.

>>323262668
Palom and Porom willingly sacrificed themselves to help Cecil, Yang willingly sacrificed himself to save everyone, Tellah was fueled by rage and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do to stop him, the second he got meteor his fate was sealed. It was impossible for Cecil to prevent any of that.
>He also goes into a 5 hour self pity phase when Kain betrays him. Culminating in his giving up his Dark powers and transforming into a Paladin.

Cecil braved Mt. Ordeals as a way to prove himself to Mysidia and go to Baron to correct his mistakes, him becoming a paladin was due to his origins as half lunarian and his fathers spirit.

>>323263223
>do not play without using a guide
The only people who need guides for IV are brain dead idiots.

>>323263223
LMAO is this nigga serious?

Let me guess, you're underage B& who never played the original SNES cartridge growing up. Use a guide? Don't make me laugh. You don't need a fucking guide for FFIV, you pleb.

>>323263425
>revived
They didn't die, only Tellah did.

>>323255949 (OP)
V is, not counting the first 3

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i just started the psp version, should i quit now or is this version good?

"Cliché" is an overused buzzword for when you can't think of an actual criticism to a story.

>>323261425

name them. I'd like to hear it

>>323263571
It's one of the definitive versions

>>323263573
Actual criticism doesn't exist, all criticism is subjective

Pretty sure FFIV is the most popular Super Famicom installment of FF in Japan.

>>323263550
V is shit-tier

>Bland and generic story
>Boring, uninteresting and completely forgettable characters
>Most shocking plot twist was that Farris is a girl, and that was spoiled early on

Game is fucking shit. VI and IV have it beat in every way.

>>323263304

After you see forced death sequences in every FF game, it no longer has an impact. Its just expected. Coming off of FFIII, where all the sages die, seeing people die/turn to stone in FFIV was just more of the same.

Then by the time FFVII came out, I could see Aeris' death a mile away. Right when she runs away, I knew she was going to die.

To be honest, as much as people hate it, a game like FFVIII was a breath of fresh air to me because it didn't have tons of people die for forced 'feels'. In fact, it even plays on your expectation of characters dying when Selphie and her team supposedly get blown up by missiles...then you actually find out they escaped. Its sad when characters not dying is a major achievement for story-telling in a series (much like Game of Thrones).

>>323255949 (OP)
5 is the most underrated. 4 arguably could be the most overrated

>>323263642
Criticism being subjective doesn't mean criticism isn't a thing, moron.
"Opinions are subjective there opinions don't exist" - that's you

>>323263571
It's a good version, more faithful to the SNES original. Don't bother with the interquel or After Years unless you really really want to.

3D version (DS, iOS, Android, Steam, etc) is much harder but a lot more fun and rewarding as a result in my opinion

>>323263425
you don't even know the story
kill yourself Dunning–Kruger

>>323263702
Anon confirms, death is a cliché

>>323263223
6 did the same exact thing

>>323263663
This. Its just America that didn't catch on

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I'm just getting the 3rd huge meteria in VII. first ever play through. I'm thinking of the next FF I wanna play, x and x-2 are on PS4. should I Jump into thoes or play VIII on pc and then IX when it comes out on pc too and wait for x to drop in price?

>>323262090
oh shit, I forgot about Merchant class

>>323263571
>>323263773
Oh yeah the PSP one also has all the GBA content without the bugs, so yeah. Really good.

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12 is by far the most underrated. It's a flawed gem for sure, but at its core it has a fairly deep political story that deals with the concept of fate in a way very few games do. The combat only needed a little refinement in the gambit system and some extra features and then it would be truly great, but it is already so flexible you can still make the combat really fun and engaging by not over doing it with certain gambits. However, the real icing on the cake is the English localization. Goddamn, it is good. I would rank it as one of the most well localized games ever. And the game barely ever gets recognition for it. The pseudo Middle-English esque writing for the Judges is fantastic an accents of certain characters from other regions is done really well.

Here is a fantastic article about the localization of FFXII:
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/a-voice-for-ivalice-the-localization-and-voice-acting-of-final-fantasy-xii

Overall, I really don't think it gets near the recognition it deserves.

>>323263459
>need guides

>>323263467
>You don't need a fucking guide for FFIV, you pleb.

Look at the WHOLE post, retards. I didn't say "you need a guide", I said "don't play without one" because it's fucking obnoxious to get characters like the twins where you feel like your party is rounding out, you commit some time to levelling them up and making them really effective casters, and then they're GONE for the entire fucking rest of the game. Rydia disappearing then coming back is also fucking obnoxious. Kain leaves and comes back like 3 or 4 times? Knowing when this bullshit happens isn't essential, but it will help any new player deal with the bullshit cast changes that are forced on you.

>>323263702

must have been terrible seeing all those forced death sequences in 1991 when the game was new. since you're probably not japanese, what forced deaths were so cliche they ruined the series in FF1?

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>>323263852
Don't play X or X-2. They are both shit-tier.

Go with VIII and IX. But you also should play VI. VI is one of the best.

>>323263984
It doesn't help shit you deal with it as it comes and you don't lose anything important on them you can't get later.

>>323263663
I think so much so that its theme of love was part of Japanese musical textbooks in schools.

>>323261079
>>323260986
Anyone old enough to take EGM mags to school would remember that these are old PS1 images of FF 6 when they considered remaking the game in 3D

>>323263886
It shouldn't have been about Vaan. It should have been a manly story about politics. Fucking japs, pushing bishi-prettyboy pop bullshit down our throats.

It's as bad as comparing new Star Wars to old.

>>323263984
>bullshit cast changes
"Waahhh the game actually has a story instead of letting me self-insert everywhere and pick whatever party I want every time I want"

Stop being a fucking pleb.

>>323263886
The political story is poorly handled, the non-Ashe characters are pointless, and the gameplay's gimmick is to set yourself up so that you don't play the game.

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TELLAH YOU FUCK

>>323264078
should I play VI before VIII?

>>323256906

PSP is the best 2d version

DS is the best 3d version.

That's the biggest difference, really. Both are good remakes.

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>>323263986

>Final Fantasy invented forced deaths in 1991

For fuck sake, Dragon Quest II had impacting deaths before the first Final Fantasy game even came out. And FFIII did it before FFIV.

>>323264197
>game actually has a story
>"you spoony bard!"

pick one.

>>323264160
Actually it's running on a Nintendo 64 and it's just a tech demon to show the potential

>>323264292

Who cares? He dies anyway. He was pretty much a joke character from the start.

>>323264292
who cares, he's in the game for 10 minutes

>>323264318

not talking about dragon quest. talking about final fantasy. answer the question

>Parents are 'human fucked by alien' combo and produce a superhuman

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>>323264295
I would say that VI is better than VIII. Whether you would want to play it before VIII is ultimately up to you.

>>323256082

Five's not underrated. Noone likes to talk about it because it gets 5fags running in screaming about being the greatest and shitting on every other game.

FF5's not even a bad game, but its fans are the worst of the whole franchise.

>>323263702
>>323263986
>>323264318
>Video games invented Death
Death is literally the most common thing in the world. It happens to everyone. Everyone knows someone who died. Everyone will die. People are dying as I'm typing this post. People will be dying while you read this post. Calling "Death" a cliché is fucking retarded.

4 removed the job system from 3 without really adding anything mechanically significant.

All the other games had some kind of mechanical innovation, like Espers or Materia

>>323264424

>answer my deflection properly!
No.

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>>323264389
>Tech demon

>>323264292
It makes sense, he's old.
>>323264401
>He was pretty much a joke character
He had actual motivation behind him and a drive to finish the job and you feel for him and understand his rage.

>>323264318
Who died in DQ2? The Moonbrooke soldiers?

>>323264561

you have nothing. go back to your corner while i play FF4 and enjoy it

>>323264160
Its also not that, it was just a demo for the pre-devkit devkits the ultra 64 was apparently going to use, and was never meant to show an actual planned game.


Just like the zelda ultra 64 demo, the zelda gamecube demo, snd the zelda u demo, but autistic children STILL don't know what a tech demo is. What we saw on the wiiu demo is a single environment and doesnt reflect what a full game would ever ever look like

>>323264529

You're ignoring the point. That death as a story-telling device can be impacting. But not when a series does it so often and with poor development.

There is over 130 character deaths in the Final Fantasy series up to FFXII. Counting both party members and NPCs. That's beating the dead horse into another dimension.

>>323264510
alright thanks. I only have one hand use able for about 2 months due to surgery so I need a few games I can play one handed. this should fill that time. I'll play VI first.

>>323263986
1 had no story, it had maybe 6 named characters that were barely interconnected. 2 was the first one with an actual story. 1 was just a series of unfolding, unrelated fantasy scenes connected by travel mechanics opening up. Save girl, find witch, get boat, go to elfs, go to earth cave, go to volcano, airship, class upgrade, go to oasis, go to water temple, go to tower/tech castle in space, go back in time to stop original mini-boss

>>323264556
4 was the first game to have classes tied to characters. And it did invent new commands like Dark Knight Cecil's ability of draining your own health to attack, Edward's Hide, Palom's and Porom's Twincast

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>>323264608
>he's old
He knows he's a failure, look at him.

>>323264758

>a series with lots of characters in it has a lot of characters who die as well

thats called the law of statistics

>>323264669

Everyone in Moonbrooke Castle besides the Princess. Right at the beginning of the game. Then you go back and talk to their dead spirits later in the game. It is arguably more impacting to the story than a few characters standing in front of Cecil to protect him, while he just gawks at the event like an idiot.

>>323264892
fuck, worst Cid ever

>>323264834
Pretty much any turn based RPG will do.

I'd recommend Bravely Default if you have a 3DS. I'm well aware of how they fucked up the last third of the game (endless backtracking) but so far the game had been great. Auto battle to make grinding less annoying, turning random battles off completely and difficulty change if you need to, though I just leave it at double battle rate and easy mode since I seem to be way overleveled in chapter 2 and didn't even mean to be.

I'm a bit ashamed, but I quit IV because I couldn't beat the whirlwind woman. I failed 10+ times and gave up.

>>323264954

>random npcs dying are more impactful than named characters

Dragon Quest is also a random npc who died. But no one noticed since the series hasn't changed at all since 3

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>>323264954
I didn't really think anything of to be honest. Maybe you're overthinking things? See how I even had to question who died? I knew the answer. Just a bunch of no names.

>>323265138

use Jump when she's inside her tornado

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>>323264892
>Level up
>Stats drop
Just like real life after 25

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>>323265243
I know that feel.

>>323265138
Every FF4 boss has a gimmick to their battle. It's up to you if you want to use Gamefaqs for just them, I'm not like most of /v/ who'd publicly castrate you if you rely on guides.

>>323265140
>Dragon Quest 4
>end of the game is literally going back to the world map of 1

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>>323265138
But she's pretty easy anon.

You're supposed to Kain's jump to dispell her tornado form.

>>323265118
alright, I'll look into bravely default it after I platinum VII and play through VI.

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>>323264292
He's old, you leave him alone.
Get him a chair, poor guy.

>>323256906
For the classic feel/experience I would say you should go either GBA or PSP version.
Granted the GBA version lets you do some silly things you couldn't do in the original.

For me the DS version has the best translation and clarity of the story among all versions, even some decent voice acting in places.
Even though they did the silly almost big heads things with the graphics they did justice to all of the character's designs, besides maybe Golbez.
Especially for Kain's and Cecil's armor, I really loved seeing the Dark Knight armor in action.

The DS version also lets you see character's thoughts while you're browsing the menu, and some of them are actually quite interesting and not always just "oh yeah, I was going to -PLOT TOWN- wasn't I?" nonsense.

The Augment system in the DS version is simple if you know who is and isn't a temporary character, otherwise you're just safe giving every character two trashy augments asap.
Basically: Each temp character drops 1+X augments when they permanently leave, where X is how many augments you gave them.
Lets you make some interesting changes to your team.

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>>323264954
It was meh but what the fuck was Horii thinking with DQV?

>>323264954
>It is arguably more impacting to the story than a few characters standing in front of Cecil to protect him, while he just gawks at the event like an idiot.
Half the character "die" away from Cecil
Half of them aren't doing it to protect Cecil
In none of those scenes does Cecil have any power to change the outcome

>>323265221
>>323265406
I think I did that, but it was 4-5 years ago so I'm probably wrong. If I went back I'd have to replay the whole game again because I don't remember anything.

>>323255949 (OP)
ff4 is godlike. Really established the character classes and archetypes for FF.

>>323265140
>>323265180

>random npcs dying are more impactful than named characters

They can be. But even in DQII, the characters have identities. The King of Moonbrooke and the soldier who escapes clearly have identies, even if they don't have a 'name'.

The same thing happens in the FF series. Doga and Unei in FFIII are killed by your own party. But have more impact (both emotionally and storywise) than Aria.

>>323265419
>he Augment system in the DS version
sounds interesting

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>>323265243
>mfw I'm older than 25
>mfw it's my birthday today

>>323265376
Don't they hint at you what to do during each one?

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>>323263886
>in every cutscene Fran's ass seems to always have the best shot
Fucking love this game.

>>323265608
Did you ever play 3

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>>323265419
>He's old, you leave him alone.
Fuck that.

>>323265140

>DQ
>hasn't changed since DQIII
I love this meme which no one can actually defend. Especially since Dragon Quest has had everything from ARPGs to scrolling Arcade slashers to an MMO.

>>323265396

Think you mean Dragon Quest III.

>>323265557

Dragon Quest V-VII have extremely depressing stories if you pay attention to them. Way more dark and depressing than any FF game to be honest. I wonder if Yuji Horii was depressed or stressed back in the mid 90s.

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>>323265138
She's a lesbian, use Rosa to seduce her

I'm upset there still isn't a proper translation of the original after all these years. All I want is the game as the original developers intended with an okay translation. No stupid memes, no retarded changes to enemy stats, no dumb glitches, ect.

>>323256594
this. death is a great narrative tool but they abuse it to the point where its annoying and then make none of it true. also you have to lvl Cecil over again very annoying

>use Steal on Rubacante
>he stands there frozen
>otherwise he OHKOs your party

FFIV had some of the dumbest mechanics I've ever seen. And somehow, the DS remake made them even worse. I honestly can't see why people like the game at all.

>>323255949 (OP)
>Is FFIV the most underrated game in the series
Absolutely not. That title goes to either III or V.

>>323266103
Who the fuck uses steal on Rubicante, I've never used that on him.

>>323264173
But it isn't about Vaan. The story is about Asche and her drive for revenge. Vaan represents the audience viewing the events as outsider and his role is primarily to act as Asche's foil.

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>>323265634
I like to give Edge the Bardsong augment so he can buff, he's a very middle of the road character and doesn't do the crazy damage Cecil and Kain do.
Well, unless Cecil's doing some backrow tanking.

>>323265790
You Monster

>>323266092
Lv.1 Paladin Cecil is already strong, to be fair, and your equipment is pretty good at that point.

Only annoying thing is the loss of your HP Draining AoE.

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>>323266238
I just saw that whole spiel in the other thread

Learn what underrated means you stupid piece of shit.

>>323266092
>also you have to lvl Cecil over again very annoying
It wasn't that bad nigga gains levels real fast.

>>323266285
Dude, throw makes Edge crazy strong even from back row

>>323266103
That's the first time I heard about that shit, I thought his gimmick was the open/closed cloak.

>>323266193

You get Edge right before fighting him. And the game hints that you need to use Edge to defeat Rubacante, but (at least from my experience), doesn't tell you what skill is needed. I tried to Steal skill since its his unique skill...and every time I did, Rubacante dropped his guard. Then I retried the battle later on and he would OHKO the party if you did any magic or physical attack before his guard was down.

>>323266103
What you described is exclusive to the DS remake which was kind of fucked up, every other version of FFIV is pretty standard for Final Fantasy

>>323266329
How exactly are you going to get equipment for Cecil at the top of a mountain?

No, 5 is the most underrated. It's easily level with the best Final Fantasy games, but the lack of an SNES release means people remembered 6 and 4 with nostalgia goggles.

4 is still a great game though.

>>323266630
You can buy it ahead of time.

>Top of a Mountain
>A Mountain littered with the Undead
>Get a new, stronger, holier sword
>Put on your Knight Armor
>Take 1 damage from everything
>Auto-Kill every single zombie and ghost on the way down the mountain
>Gain 15~ something levels on the way down the mountain
>Be a level 20ish Dark Knight with 300 hp and 20 str
>Reach Mysidia as a Level 15~20 Paladin with 750+Hp and 25~30 STR

>>323266741
From all the people saying that V is underrated I can only assume that it actually isn't underrated

>>323266630

>How exactly are you going to get equipment for Cecil at the top of a mountain?
Not that guy, but its a JRPG. They could have easily put armor in some treasure chests on the path up or down the mountain. Almost any other RPG series, from Dragon Quest to Suikoden to Lufia would do this.

Final Fantasy is kind of lazy at having items to find outside of towns. They still have them, but far fewer than most RPGs. 90% of the time if you open a chest in a FF game, its ethers/potions.

>>323266741
My first FF was 7, I only played the SNES ones later on GBA and honestly 5 is pretty overrated by its fan. The job system is kind of neat, but it's not really balanced and there's too many redundant jobs. It's also way too easy. And the story and characters, while not "bad", is really not interesting and is just there for context while the game is supposed to be driven by gameplay (Something Sakaguchi admitted himself), even tough in the end the gameplay isn't that great.

>>323266850
How are you going to do that on your first playthrough?

Even during my repeat runs, it's almost impossible to afford good equipment for everyone before heading to Mt. Ordeals.

>>323266957
Eh?

Almost every FF up until the PS1 era gave you a decent amount of equipment item and even then FF7 had a fair of weapons you could only get from chests.

>>323267106
Theres some bullshit strategy to leave the game on auto-battle and then run around killing Zu's with Solo Cecil for 1K a piece.
You'd only need to do 12 or so to afford all the armor if I'm remembering prices right.

Personally I just buy it before leaving for Baron

>>323267106
You make a shit ton from selling your old dark knight equipment, anything you can't afford just takes a tiny bit of grinding.

>>323267308

Knowing what armor to get before you need it isn't really a sign of a good mechanic. In fact, its kind of the opposite.

Its a sign that you are replying the game if you know exactly what items to use. Or a sign that you are using a guide. But not helpful for someone playing it for the first time. Which is where these frustrations come from.

>>323267532
I tend to pick up the best equipment I can buy before heading into an area that all the NPCs tell you is difficult. It's called Mt. Ordeals.

FF4 is one of the easiest game in the series, the fuck do you need equipment for Paladin Cecil for? When he switches class he already has better stats than his previous version.
Unless you're playing a hard version of the game but then, you're playing a hard version, it's supposed to be hard.

>>323267750
Have you played the DS version?

Kain x Barbariccia OTP

>>323267532
It's called walking back down babying a lvl 1 character and going back to buy the armor/weapons.

>>323267882
>Babying
Level 1 Paladin Cecil is likely better than the Dark Night Cecil you had at that point.

>>323267809
Did you read the second line of my post?
Seriously you still have three other characters and there's a savepoint RIGHT THERE, literally all you have to do is get back to Mysidia, it's not that hard. There's even a Chocobo forest at the bottom of the mountain.

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>>323267863
I thought that was common knowledge?

>>323267809
DS version is easier.

>>323266915
Nah, it's just that 6 and 7 fags know where their games stand.

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>>323267863
>>323268039

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>Kain's face when Rydia comes back as a hottie

>>323268000
I don't see how that's possible since you are comparing a character wearing robes/gloves to a guy in full armor. Maybe his base stats are comparable but he is nowhere near as hardy as he was going up the mountain.

It really doesn't matter since its barely a minor inconvenience for a few minutes until you get back to town to buy his armor.

Rosa is my favorite FF girl I don't care what you fags say

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>>323265243
>>323265334
>>323265647
>tfw 26 but so close to 27 i might as well already be 27
>tfw even up until this point i've been waiting for when life will get good
>tfw realizing it's never going to happen
>tfw never had a girlfriend or boyfriend or any sort of relationship
>tfw never had sex
>tfw no prospects for my future
>tfw it's like my life is already ruined and i should just kill myself because it's only going to go downhill from here because of how society is a pyramid scheme

All of the flowery happiness in the fictional stories and worlds portrayed in our media did not prepare me for how sobering adulthood would be. It's not until you get to that point that you genuinely realize just how shitty the real world is.

>>323268828
Why would I be mad at the truth? Rosa is the best FF girl

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Just started my first playthrough of FF4 on PSP
Wish me luck

>>323269326
You're in for a fun I liked the sequels too but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

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>>323269289
You guys are so rare I don't think anyone really shittalks your choices.

>>323269263
>tfw never had a girlfriend or boyfriend or any sort of relationship

It's okay faggot, I'll be your faggot-friend and we'll jerk each other off in the shower while playing FF4

>>323269263
You still have plenty of time at 27. Some people reinvent themselves even later than that.
The most important thing is to stop waiting for life to get good. You have to make it good yourself.
I believe in you anon.

>>323269447
Those aren't Rosa's tits.

I think FF4 is the best of the series, but it's hardly underrated as it has several remakes, sequels, and the like.

I think it's the best of the SNES era because it has the best pacing of the games, it has good balance of difficulty, and absolutely no grind. It's linear though, but it still gives a world with some free exploration to find bonus locations and bosses. It's story has some scifi-techy type aspects but was still kept the fantasy aesthetic. My main complaints are the story, most of the characters forced into sacrificing themselves for the survival of the group come back no problem later on (mainly Yang, Cid, and the Twins especially such a cop-out).

FF5 was good, but I feel the job system is fundamentally grindy (same problem with FF3). While it's fun at times, being able to customize your party's builds, it can become a chore after awhile. Also FF5's locations all looked the same (the only thing I remember the villages being distinct was from the music).

FF6 for awhile was my favorite, they did a lot of neat things for the time; I really liked how it was an ensemble-cast driven story (although Terra/Celes were central in their respective periods), and the parts where you would play multiple parties in their own scenarios. My main complaint comes from the magicite/esper system being grindy as fuck, and the World of Ruin part of the game (basically the last third of the game) was nothing but grind; although the final boss fight was a good endurance match and gave you a reason to grind.

Most underrated SNES FF game? Mystic Quest easily. Fairly simplistic game of course, but still fun, great pacing, and the most underrated soundtrack of any Square game.

>>323269326
>playing a gimped version

I still consider the PS1 release to be the definitive release.

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>>323269263
Eh you've got time to get your shit together.
You can turn your life around anytime you want.

>>323269615
Doesn't the PS1 version have awful load times?

>>323270328
That's FF5/6 and Chrono Trigger.

>>323270384
Ah right, my mistake. May I ask what you think the PS1 version does that makes it the definitive version in your eyes?

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>>323255949 (OP)
Fuck man these models... Everything has fucking hips! Even the dark knight. What the hell, man?

>>323270513
Kain looks so fucking smug.

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Golbez was kinda bland in FFIV, but I really like how he was handled in Dissidia where's he's actually a good guy working on the bad guy side. He's got the coolest armor too among FF tin soldiers.

>>323270513
Just like in real life

>>323270561
Just like in real life

FF you've beaten
FF you've played but didn't beat
Favorite FF

Post 'em

>>323270480
It's the closest to the original with a somewhat decent translation. The original U.S. release had content gutted for no reason. Translations of the Japanese SNES version are either complete shit (J2E in particular is laughably bad) or a hodgepodge of other translations.

The GBA/PSP versions fuck around with enemy stats and make the game even easier. They somehow have worse translations that include dumb references and memes.

I typically consider the DS version it's own thing since it's so different. Still like it despite Augments being broken.

>>323270964
>FF you've beaten
FFI
>FF you've played but didn't beat
FFII (playing right now), FFX
>Favorite FF
FFXIV

>>323270827
>but I really like how he was handled in Dissidia where's he's actually a good guy working on the bad guy side.

this is the way it is in the main game, anon...

>>323270827
I liked his quotes in both Dissidia games where he's either saying sick burns or giving advice.

>>323270964
>FF you've beaten
IV, VI, VII, X, XIII
>FF you've played but didn't beat
I, II, III, V, XII
>Favorite FF
IV
>>323271115
>dumb references and memes
I can't think of a single meme, and no reference that unnerved me.

>>323270513
It's all about hips to the Nips. Gotta make it sexy or Square Enix ain't eating.

>>323271327
It had memes that were popular back in the heyday of ebaumsworld and YTMND.

>>323271119
Kill yourself. FFXIV isn't even a real Final Fantasy game.

>>323270964
>FF you've beaten
IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, VIX, FXIII, Tactics

>FF you've played but didn't beat
I, II, II, X, XII

>Favorite FF
FFVI

>>323271748
Damn dude I'm just stating my opinion. It made me want to play through the others, and I enjoyed I a lot. II isn't feeling as good so far with how the characters level, though.

>>323271627
Such as?

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>>323271892
This and goggles immediately spring to mind.

>>323271748
I'm not a fan of MMO but the world direction, story and classes/abilities in FF14 is top tier. I honestly wish it had some kind of single-player mode.

>>323271886
Most people dislike FFII because of the leveling system, it's not really fun and not really good unless you grind/abuse it. Don't force yourself through the games if you don't like them, the series constantly reinvents itself and as such it's rare for people to like all of them, II is probably the least popular game in the series.

>>323272068
>real ultimate power reference

that's a pretty dank meme senpai desu desu

>>323272068
That's a meme?
Also that's not what the PSP version says tough it's similar.

>>323272136
Well I'm enjoying the story so far, though I'm barely even a couple hours into it, probably less because the Dreadnought just took off.

I want to give it a longer shot than this of course, but yeah if I really dislike it I'll probably just drop. I don't mind the weapon/stat levelling but the magic levelling is kind of annoying because it forces you to grind if you want to have magic worth a shit later.

>>323270964
1,4,5,6,MQ
2,3,7
4

>>323272278
The PSP translation is largely based on the GBA one.

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>>323270827
>Golbez was kinda bland

Golbez was great, he just suffers from being an early FF villain and for having a really weird placement for his Fight, and then being kind of a weak bitch during that fight.

There really isn't any build up for this fight, you wander into a crystal room to deal with an evil doll and then Golbez just shows up out of fucking nowhere.
Then when you do fight him it's not at some great crucial turning point in the story, like at the end of the Giant of Babel, or maybe even Golbez leading the Red Wings against Cecil in some glorious show down over Baron.
Nothing like that, instead Golbez ambushes you with a children's toy.

Then during the fight Golbez isn't blasting you across the room with his Cosmic Rays, hitting you with his dark sword or casting a bigger spell like Flare, Holy or Meteo. He's casting fucking Level 2 spells. Why the hell did they pull Golbez out here at this point when they felt the party was still too weak to suffer Level 3 spells?
He starts this fight off as a totally in control Wizard whose planned this shit out, a kind of guy who has powers that aren't just throwing fireballs and shit at you. We see him doing all kinds of crazy shit out of battle-but in battle he's disappointing.

Especially that whole "DEATH CANNOT CLAIM ME" bit he did.

I don't think that was Zemus reviving him, I figured he was just so full of Hate that he literally couldn't die.

>>323272068
That little kid, thats me

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>>323269326
>Only played for an hour
>Stole a crystal, fought some monsters in an airship, lost my job, went to a cave with my bro, killed some fog dragon, destroyed a village, lost my bro, got a loli, got attacked in my sleep, found my wife but she's sick
This game doesn't fuck around before putting you in the action

>Plugging away through PSP version.
>Months long endeavor, game just isn't enjoyable for me.
>Get to Moon.
>Difficulty spike, can't push myself to enjoy it anymore.
>Drop it hard.

I don't like this game.

>>323273261
You have like two dungeons left

>>323255949 (OP)
>FFIV
how much different was this than III?

>>323273548

The main difference is that it's less fun than III.

>>323273548
A lot different. It seemed Square for awhile switched back-and-forth on the character-story game type and the customizable party type; FF3 was the first full job-system type game, FF4 is more like FF2, where you don't customize your party but the party develops and changes over the course of the story. Then FF5 went back into the job system again, then FF6 went to the characters have their own traits (although they kept customization in with espers/magicite system).

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>>323273261
>Difficulty Spike

My guess is that you ignored your chance to explore the world and do some valuable sidequests that'd help beef you up.

Then again the Moon random encounters are really unforgiving, more unforgiving than boss fights or dungeons past that point.

Just run from everything on the Moon's surface, they're not important enemies.
Just space diseases.

>>323273548
>FFIII: 4 characters with different names that can change classes
>FFIV: A changing roster of characters with predefined roles that don't change


You get a bunch of different pre-made team compositions

>>323273548
In terms of gameplay? A lot it reverted back to pre made classes of characters (Of sorts) and such.

>>323271414
Love the ref

>>323265406
FF4 DS was the version of the game I was able to do the shit the game wanted me to do. Like using whichever element it was to stop Cagnazzo's attack.

People like to shit on the DS version, but it was the first one I was able to beat. Enemies would just oneshot me in the GBA one, to the point where I thought Defense was bugged and didn't actually do anything.

>>323273261
If you had trouble with the PSP version you might as well give up on the series.

>>323274138

It's less that I was having trouble with the game and more that I was having trouble staying interested in the game. The Moon's surface just killed it for me. I might finally finish it one day.

IV, V, VIII, X-2 and the XIII games are the only FFs I haven't cleared.

What I've played of V I really enjoyed, but my playthroughs kept getting interrupted and I'd start over when I picked it back up. VIII and X-2 are shit (for different reasons), and I will never play the XIII games.

>>323274541
Maybe I'm getting portions of the PSP and DS release confused.

>>323255949 (OP)
ff4 blows and the series would be better off without it

>>323274709

PSP is apparently a faithful remake. Gameplay changes were minimal and the script was improved. DS version was supposedly for babbys.

>>323275025
You have the DS one wrong, the DS one is abnormally difficult compared to every other version of the game and does a bunch of weird stuff that isn't in any other version.

>>323275025
That's completely false. The PSP version has numerous and noticeable stat changes to enemies. Speed in particular took a huge hit and renders most enemies harmless.

While the DS version technically has stronger enemies, you're given more options to deal with them, and I personally think augments were a bad decision and really hurt the game's balance.

PSP version is definitely the easiest though.

Rydia best girl and woman.

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>>323275289
In the early & mid-game augments really don't outshine the difficulty.

Its the late game when you've got permanent MP regen, buffs that you can cast on the entire party & through reflect twice a turn and crazy haste/zerk Kain DPS that you're really mitigating and owning that difficulty curve

>>323256772
>The story of IV is cliche as fuck,
So? It's like one of the first jrpgs with a real story. Get over it.

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>>323275657
Draw Attacks+Counter on Cecil is borderline broken and acquired way too early.

>>323275894
I preferred Counter + Kick

>>323276085
You can have all three.

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>>323275894
I don't think the Draw & Counter combo is too powerful.

Cecil can still easily be overwhelmed, it mostly just changes him from a standard Front Liner who Covers first turn, then attacks every turn after that unless he maybe needs to heal into someone who is a Pure Tank.

I usually shove him in the back row to absorb damage and let give him a Curse or Sleep sword to counter with and zerk/haste whatever other physical attacker I have on hand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsvInkqoqvo [Embed]

obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLbHqV5HeDc [Embed]

>>323276379
Draw Attacks essentially neuters any enemy that doesn't have access to party wide attacks and Counter provides free damage. Then you factor in being able to defend constantly to further mitigate damage and throw in status effect swords and most random battles are more of a joke than usual.

Thanks guys, now I need to draw some FF girls again. Guess it's Relm's turn.

>>323255949 (OP)
>underrated

Haha no. It's easy the shittiest Final Fantasy. Yes worse than 2.

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>>323276809
She's a bit under appreciated yeah.

>>323276725
It changes the nature of most encounters, your strategy becomes Cecil focused as far as buffs and healing goes and thats mostly fine. You can only cast Protect on one person anyways.

Most encounters aren't just physical guys slapping you and include some other gimmick to them.
I agree it helps a lot, but it doesn't totally mitigate the challenge of the game.

I agree, it could be found a bit later on in the game

>>323275289
>The PSP version has numerous and noticeable stat changes to enemies. Speed in particular took a huge hit and renders most enemies harmless.
This is false, stats are about the same as the original FF4 according to the most recent dataminings and comparisons. The ATB itself is what got fucked up somehow, with enemies getting less turns than they would in any other version of the game unless you turn up the game speed.

>Is FFIV the most underrated game in the series?
No, it is the most remade game in the series.

>>323276873
I haven't seen this much try hard in ages.

>>323277359
There's a decent chunk of midgame that's much easier thanks to it. Some of the subtle changes (Pray restoring MP, casting from items, ect.) also lead to an overall easier experience.

Maybe I just had incredibly luck. Cagnazzo is always pretty tough in the PS1 release, but he didn't even get a chance to use his main gimmick in the DS release.

>>323277424
I did some research on that recently as well, and I'm not sure if I believe it. I'm fairly confident that I cranked up the battle speed to max and still found it to be significantly easier.

>>323277664
I haven't seen this much shit taste in ages. Your game is trash faggot.

>>323276873
>

>>323277772
>2
>better than anything
>calling others a faggot

I see so reddit is real.

>>323277829
>>323277797
I love telling 4 dick suckers there game is shit, it literally brings them to tears.

>>323277903
But you're the one crying and mashing your keyboard in a rage to troll people.

>>323255949 (OP)
I dropped it after they killed off the twins and time-skipped Rydia. Fuck whoever thought this was a good idea. Fuck them.

4 is my favorite
long live Cecil and kain.
also I want to summon my titan inside rydia

>>323277903

nice generic hearsay rhetoric you are one epic troll for the win

>>323277754
I think Cagnazzo is just trivialized by the use of Tellah.

All four fiends you can really force their hands with contradicting elements.

I remember when I was playing this originally Cecil would get his shit kicked in if I left him in the front row, especially once I got to the Moon and things start punching you for 1,000+ damage

>>323255949 (OP)
I thought that would be 2. no one talks about it

>>323277903
>as anon cries for attention

>>323263097
But no one liked 2. Its battle system was nonsensical and way too abusable

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>>323279149
>2
>underrated
People aren't talking about it anymore for a good reason.

>>323279821
Let me guess: one of those is the exit, one leads to worthless treasure, and the other two are forced encounter rooms.