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This is a collective thread for these incidents which are being reported as possibly coordinated and having been committed by groups of male immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa.
If you have any reports from other cities, please share them with us.
Additional reports have come in from:
Latest reports:
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[–]epoxy_proxy 67 points68 points69 points  (10 children)
I'm curious, what is the coverage of this like on major main stream news networks in Germany? Given that this had to reach the front page of /r/all via /r/conspiracy before any other subs would even acknowledge it, is this something most people over 30 even know about?
[–]master_mindful 32 points33 points34 points  (4 children)
Yes, but only recently. Apparently there was no news coverage immediately following the attacks, but only recently more and more people started coming forward claiming to be victimized. It is huge news in Germany as of late.
[–]epoxy_proxy [score hidden]  (1 child)
It is huge news in Germany as of late.
That is good to hear.
[–]BogarnasFel 170 points171 points172 points  (10 children)
This does not only happen in bigger cities.
Think this might be happening on so many more places then we actually think.
Edit: So the article says that a group of men surrounded girls in central Kalmar and sexually molested them. Majority of the women they sexually molested were younger then 18. The group of men did not understand Swedish nor any much English.
[–]talking_to_idiots [score hidden]  (8 children)
  • Grow up in culture that teaches you that all Western women are sluts who wear revealing clothing and will have sex with anyone and everyone
  • Also rape is the woman's fault in your culture
  • Shit gets bad in your country and you're sent to one of those Western countries
  • Be in public surrounded by drunk Western women wearing revealing clothing
  • Go out molesting/raping with your pals, what could go wrong?
[–]BettmansDungeonSlave 531 points532 points533 points  (65 children)
I'm beginning to have a very deep appreciation for the Atlantic.
[–]huxrules [score hidden]  (14 children)
The Atlantic and Pacific have always been the best aspects of the US. edit: I should add the Atlantic and Pacific are the US's best strategic elements. You hipsters never played Axis and Allies before?
[–]Hujiz [score hidden]  (0 children)
The English channel is pretty good too.
[–]every_thing_is_meh 1630 points1631 points1632 points  (443 children)
This is going to get much worse before it gets better.
[–]gh0stpentester [score hidden]  (4 children)
My wife and I live in Brussels, Belgium and we've been saying/seeing this for a while when we visit different areas in Germany. You can't even talk about the immigrants and the tie with their increase numbers and increase violence/crimes. It seems nobody wants to admit it is not good to have them here.
[–]Glu3 735 points736 points737 points  (252 children)
I have doubts that this situation will ever get better.
[–]jdscarface 260 points261 points262 points  (214 children)
So where do you see Europe, specifically Germany, in the next decade? Not geographically speaking.
[–]Lovetan4 602 points603 points604 points  (39 children)
Not geographically speaking.
actually, you might be on to something...
[–]Raesong 199 points200 points201 points  (29 children)
You thinking we should be stocking up on Rad-X?
[–]Bronkko 175 points176 points177 points  (16 children)
Hey General, I have another mission for you.
[–]bowserusc 46 points47 points48 points  (10 children)
I played that game for 40 hours before getting to Diamond City because of that bastard.
[–]geeca [score hidden]  (0 children)
That's a fine anecdotal; however there's a settlement that really needs your help. Here I've marked it on your map.
[–]CtrlOptCmdEject 38 points39 points40 points  (10 children)
RadAway is way more useful and more likely to save your life.
[–]PictureIsWorth1KWord 22 points23 points24 points  (5 children)

Lead belly perk*

FTFY
[–]ayyylemayonaise [score hidden]  (4 children)
I think I might be the only one who doesn't drink/eat radioactive things in fallout. Is there hardcore mode in that game? Maybe I would if I actually had to nourish myself.
[–]Gamma_Ram 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
If you use Rad-X then you won't even need RadAway!
[–]cylinderstreet 33 points34 points35 points  (2 children)
Let's just take Europe.. and PUSH it somewhere else!
[–]artthoumadbrother 131 points132 points133 points  (50 children)
Economic malaise and unending social problems. Welfare states only work if a high enough percentage of the population are producing wealth that can then be distributed.
[–]spinmasterx 14 points15 points16 points  (12 children)
Yeah...it is a perfect combination. Europe with the best social welfare benefits in the world combined with the refugees...if I am European, I would try to immigrate as soon as possible.
[–]Bob_the_Zealot [score hidden]  (5 children)
Isn't the hope that down the road automation will allow a very small working population to produce a lot of wealth, thus sustaining a broad welfare state, e.g. basic income?
[–]artthoumadbrother [score hidden]  (0 children)
Sure. I just don't think Europe should count on that happening in the next 10 years.
Maybe they'll get lucky.
[–]Pappymn 190 points191 points192 points  (134 children)
Watch France and Sweden....they are next.
[–]Johannihilate 238 points239 points240 points  (23 children)
So long farewell Auf Wiedersehen نحن اغتصاب نسائكم
[–]hurrrrrmione 46 points47 points48 points  (9 children)
نحن اغتصاب نسائكم
Okay I just put that through Google translate and that was not what I was expecting
[–]champ999 32 points33 points34 points  (8 children)
Dont make the rest of us work for it! What does it say?
[–]BraveSquirrel 120 points121 points122 points  (5 children)
Here ya go:
We rape your wives
):
[–]kyew [score hidden]  (1 child)
Thanks, not something I need the NSA to see me google.
[–]BraveSquirrel 192 points193 points194 points  (102 children)
Pretty sure Sweden was first. Check out their rape stats.
[–]mads-80 322 points323 points324 points  (53 children)
You can't, they've banned crime statistics listing nationality.
[–]ProtoDong 279 points280 points281 points  (44 children)
Facts can't be "racist". What the fuck is wrong with those idiots?
[–]doink_quixote [score hidden]  (6 children)
I believe the term is now "hate-facts". Anything that is technically true but not spoken of because it could promote hatred. Welcome to the emperor's new clothes of modern society.
[–]ProtoDong [score hidden]  (3 children)
not spoken of because it could promote hatred
I'm pretty sure that Muslims don't need any help in promoting hatred of their religion.
[–]suijuricide 2077 points2078 points2079 points  (623 children)
[Edit: If these were refugees (which is not clear at this stage)...]
Under international law, refugees are required to abide by the laws of their host country (or they can lose refugee status). Inexcusable.
Second edit: I'm not anti-refugee, and in fact I've spent a lot of time here explaining the US's legal obligations under the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. But if these were refugees, there will inevitably be criticism of international treaties requiring signatory countries to welcome refugees. My point was that such criticism would be misdirected; those treaties do not give people meeting the legal definition of "refugee" carte blanch to pillage and plunder.
[–]stack_overpriced 1617 points1618 points1619 points  (323 children)
Under common sense, guests are required to abide by the hosts' rules.
[–]suijuricide 606 points607 points608 points  (163 children)
Of course, but it should be noted that the civilized world's legal obligations toward refugees do not include hosting rapists.
Edit: I point this out because, sadly, law and common sense are not always the same thing...
[–]fuckdaraiders 113 points114 points115 points  (117 children)
Raping someone is universally bad.
[–]stillhavingissues 333 points334 points335 points  (93 children)
I love it. "New year's attackers COULD face deportation". Not we are going to send these fuckers back as soon as they are identified. Nope, they COULD face deportation. Maybe. Some of them, perhaps. Possibly. Nah, probably not.
[–]EntropyNZ 243 points244 points245 points  (65 children)
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
But seriously, the language is intentional. You can't determine the punishment on attackers that you can't yet properly identify, for suspected crimes ranging from petty theft to rape. The reports are pretty wide ranging. As much as I'm sure a lot of people would like to see all the offenders deported, I feel that prosecutors would have a hell of a time justifying deportation for the less serious cases of sexual harassment.
For the more serious offenders (reported cases of sexual assault and rape), do you deport these people, or would they be tried under the German/Swedish legal systems. I can't imagine that you're going to get much pressure from the embassies of their home nations to extradite them.
You've got plenty of real issues to be outraged about here, are you really going to channel that into criticizing the semantics of news articles?
[–]etherpromo 137 points138 points139 points  (48 children)
Honestly, I feel petty theft should be grounds for deportation. If you're a recent immigrant/refugee, you should act like you're on fucking thin ice, especially since you're living off the welfare of others. Ethics aside and considering the realistic social conditions of this day, being allowed to live in a better country is a privilege at this point honestly - not a right.
EDIT Seems like a lot of you have some twisted panties over my "this is a privilege" comment. Think about it, how many third world countries we have to first world countries? Sure everyone has a birthright to live the best they can, but when the societal structure does not allow for that, that right becomes a privilege. My grandparents immigrated for a better life and understood that coming to a first world country is a blessing, not a right.
[–]PuffyHerb 16 points17 points18 points  (7 children)
Under international law, refugees are required to abide by the laws of their host country (or they can lose refugee status).
It depends. There's a lot of laws at play here, UN, EU and often host nation laws. The US, UK and Canada (see Febles v. Canada) all definitely have provisions that allow them to revoke refugee status when a serious crime is committed.
Most other European countries take a much more liberal approach however - most of them take into account crimes committed before the application, but crimes committed after do not affect the status. The fraud clause covers revocation when a refugee lies about previous crimes/convictions.
I would like to hear from someone who knows German law well as to what the case would be here re. crimes after application.
EDIT: To give you an example of how some EU countries interpret the law, a refugee recently raped and burnt alive a 17 year old girl in Finland. Their minister said (translation) "neither murdering nor raping in Finland would necessarily block a migrant’s chances of being granted asylum." source 1 source 2
[–]Magnuts 119 points120 points121 points  (94 children)
They deserve to be executed for making donald trump look right
Edit: this is a joke. I don't like donald trump but this is a joke. Don't leave me messages telling me how terrible a person I am or you will get a dipshit response.
[–]thenoblitt [score hidden]  (10 children)
All offenders should be deported if found guilty.
[–]guibolla [score hidden]  (5 children)
Yes, but not before serving time in jail. Just getting deported is waaay too easy for these cunts.
[–]thenoblitt [score hidden]  (2 children)
Screw jail, make them take a one way trip back to where they were running away from.
[–]Spastikk 291 points292 points293 points  (18 children)
http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/fler-anmalningar-om-sexbrott-i-kalmar/ Nine reported cases of sexual harassment in the swedish town of Kalmar on NYE. The police says they know there are more victims, that haven't reported it yet.
I couldn't find a source in english.
[–]EKcore 34 points35 points36 points  (5 children)
As to not appear racist? Like the guys in San Bernardino.
My guess.
[–]huskarl 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
Just be like Samuel L Jackson and say that you wish it were crazy white guys who were doing the raping.
[–]truthhurts4444 1349 points1350 points1351 points  (132 children)
Now THIS is rape culture.
[–]Flavahbeast 369 points370 points371 points  (20 children)
Episode 1 re-release gets pretty dark
[–]Ruckus35 34 points35 points36 points  (3 children)
Even Master Yoda doesn't have a migrant count this high!
[–]ajustice83 45 points46 points47 points  (9 children)
Damn. Now I can't picture anyone but young Anakin now. Thanks.
[–]automatedresponse [score hidden]  (30 children)
But it's not white men.. so we'll be quiet about it and complain about Steven Universe.
[–]ChimRichles 108 points109 points110 points  (14 children)
"Could face deportation" I'm normally very liberal, but those guilty should be sent back immediately and blacklisted for any future asylum.
[–]kevle6 [score hidden]  (2 children)
I'm sad that these people that have been given at chance at a new life from their war torn country decide to turn on their welcoming country and start assaulting these women, seriously! You have been given a new chance and you decide to sexually assault these women? WTF?!
[–]summoner139 546 points547 points548 points  (226 children)
This just keeps getting worse.
[–]zwiebelhans 303 points304 points305 points  (150 children)
I do not fully understand why these gatherings did not get a typical police response. If hooligans are tearing shit apart, the riot squads show up.
The force to keep these crowds peaceful is there, next time screw the PC fear of being "a bigot" and call in the Police.
Behave like a Hooligan, get treated like a Hooligan. That these crowds of young drunk men are rowdy should not be a surprise.
[–]frillytotes 179 points180 points181 points  (20 children)
It sounds like in most cases, with the exception of Cologne, it was a few cases spread across the whole city during the course of the night, rather than hooligans "tearing shit apart".
[–]Dustinmypussy 119 points120 points121 points  (9 children)
What do they all think is going to happen when warm weather is back? This is just the beginning of what will be headed to Europe. These migrants have demonstrated that brute force intrusion into a county will get them what they want. Add in millions that will be coming in a few months. Watch the nationalism hit the fan.
[–]MRH2 [score hidden]  (5 children)
A major factor is that most of the migrants are men and young men. It doesn't make sense. What are a bunch of men going to to in Germany without their families and elders? Start a war
[–]ThisWasNotAnAccount 480 points481 points482 points  (63 children)
This is just getting depressing as all hell. Remember when we were bashing Orban about his reaction to this whole thing? Now, Orban is pushing for non democratic reforms, which appall me, but it does not mean that he doesn't have a point in here. I really, really like Schengen, and I'm a left wing guy in my core. And I would like for the Union to continue. But if we ditch our internal borders, we need to get our shit together and have a external border. It just won't work otherwise.
 
We're handling this whole crisis so poorly it's becoming cartoonish. It's WAY more effective to create infrastructure in the first place, than to expand it ad hoc. Also, without improving the situation in poor countries, birth rates will negate any amount we can ever take in. It's just how geometric growth works, nothing surprising. Also, it's much easier to integrate people in countries with similar cultures and economic levels. Employing unskilled manpower in post industrial societies, where even factory workers need the 12th year and extra formation is nigh impossible. In a similarly developed country to their own, not so much.
 
I'll have to quote him here.
"Stupidity is letting hundreds of thousands of people -- millions -- into Europe with no controls, while everyone, Europeans and migrants alike, can see they'll never get what they hoped for here,"
Once again, true. This clusterfrack is a like a postmodern trail of tears, with people dying in troves on the way to the promised land of milk and honey. It's disgusting to let it happen in the first place. I'd be all for a screening in camps outside the eu, under an well established protocol and distribution system, to have quotas of people from these places come. That way we could still ease some of the burden, while filtering violent, extremist, or too dissonant individuals and prioritizing endangered minorities like the Yazidi On a more pragmatic note, and quoting from a this post, this is a great eye opener. It explains how income is bound to fall for the lower and middle class only to hugely increase for the upper class with massive influx of migrants (TL;DR think of it as the reverse of what happened in the black plague, too much manpower to employ). And being for policy that screws the poor in favour of the rich is a very right wing thing to do actually. So it surprises me that only strongly right wing parties stand against these policies.
 
Also, there are many many other stupid things we do, we could be doing in a much better way, like creating fledgling economies in refugee camps by employing that unskilled manpower in added value jobs. We could do that by also sending them raw goods (grain instead of bread, cloth instead of clothes), which are way cheaper, easier to storage and take longer to spoil and employ them in processing that, which would not only help take away their minds from the awful situation they're in, but help give them a sense of meaning.
 
In the end, yes. We are being VERY stupid in handling this crisis, and we could be doing way better. For both our and the sake of the true refugees, we, and the left in particular need to get out of the high horse of identity politics and act on the problems instead of burying their heads in the sand, or people with abhorrent ideas will just climb to power simply because they are talking about the issue and not skirting around, pretending that it rains.
 
Edit:Typo.
Also, I can no longer make new posts on this sub. Message me if you want to talk. Cheers
[–]Brichals 124 points125 points126 points  (16 children)
If Europe approached all problems of the last millennium this incompetently we'd have never got out of the dark ages. It's an embarrassing time in our history.
[–]ThisWasNotAnAccount 170 points171 points172 points  (13 children)
We grow our politicians like we grow our chickens. In hermetically closed environments, bred from their teens in the wheels of the party, with the sole purpose to duckspeak their way into power.
And because there's no antibiotic for incompetence or corruption, even when you agree with them, you'll see them becoming these flailing birds, aimless and noncommittal leaders, worse prepared than had they lived as productive members of society before.
[–]Kasper-X-Hauser 33 points34 points35 points  (18 children)
I appreciate your honesty.
[–]ThisWasNotAnAccount 52 points53 points54 points  (17 children)
Thanks. Still, honesty forced me into a throwaway
 
Edit: I can no longer post in this account anymore. That was why...
[–]hipsterplague 47 points48 points49 points  (10 children)
And therein lies the problem. Nobody feels free to speak their mind in public. But come voting time...
[–]DerelictMuntersnatch 29 points30 points31 points  (8 children)
We could do that by also sending them raw goods (grain instead of bread, cloth instead of clothes), which are way cheaper, easier to storage and take longer to spoil and employ them in processing that, which would not only help take away their minds from the awful situation they're in, but help give them a sense of meaning.
This won't work as they will probably get angry and throw it away, safe in the knowledge that if they claim a risk starvation the government in question will simply cave in and give them food and shelter.
[–]ThisWasNotAnAccount 46 points47 points48 points  (6 children)
Not entirely true. Russia has already been doing this to provide (at least) food (and I read somewhere basic supplies) to the coastal areas under Assad, while insuring that the industrial output of the region doesn't entirely collapse. (And getting people to work, yada yada)
Now, employing people, and this is a key word, means that they are getting paid for the work. It is still way cheaper than to transfer finished goods. And paid work means there's a monetary incentive for them.
If they get 'angry' and are in the eu, that's grounds for immediate extradition under international law (and denial of entry if outside). If they refuse to work, that's ok, we live in a free society. What that means (provided there's no valid justification) is that if they are inside Schengen they will only get a temporary permit until after the war, and if they're outside, they'll lose priority to enter under the quota system. After all, if you don't wish to work, that reveals an deep unwillingness to integrate in Europe, and the priority is to keep refugees safe, not to integrate migrants. One doesn't imply the other
Edit: typo, non native speaker :/
[–]abubalesh 152 points153 points154 points  (7 children)
It is very sad, but these episodes remind me of what happened in Egypt during and after the arab spring. Women groped and raped in Tahrir square. That's the "model" of these violent bursts
[–]SSJ3Elsa [score hidden]  (3 children)
I used to live in Egypt, in Cairo. That kind of thing happens every single day, not just the Arab spring gatherings. It happened before, and it happened after. Even some members of the police behave like this while on duty and armed with an assault rifle. It's just something that everyone deals with and no one does anything to stop. That is what real rape culture looks like.
[–]OrangeKarmalade 397 points398 points399 points  (71 children)
I can definitely see a backlash as a result from this.
I consider myself a liberal in most senses - and yes we sort of have a humanitarian responsibility to care for genuine refugees.
My issue is that not enough is done to vet these migrants to see who is in genuine need of refuge - to provide that - and then do nothing else.
A country's main priority is to protect those within its borders - and I see this crisis as a sort of allowed invasion, by a culture which absolutely does not integrate with western values such as gender equality.
It's the harsh truth.
[–]CuddleLumpkin 192 points193 points194 points  (13 children)
The thing is, they may genuinely be in need of refuge, but just because they are a refugee, does not mean they deserve to be given refugee status in a Western country. Refugees can still subscribe to cultural ideologies that are irreconcilable to Western values.
[–]maymays01 [score hidden]  (1 child)
Yes... I am all for helping refugees. But if they flagrantly break the host country's laws like this, they should be deported.
It's great to help people in need and be sensitive to some cultural differences or growing pains, but you still can and should hold them accountable to your country's legal system.
[–]trevoris 389 points390 points391 points  (38 children)
Everyone who forsaw this happening was called racist.
[–]joaomacp [score hidden]  (10 children)
This is what's scary. Either you supported europe's decisions to host a million "refugees", or you were immediately put in the racist and xenophobe bag. This is political correctness gone terribly wrong.
[–]Kinglink [score hidden]  (3 children)
The shit that's happening in France in general was called out, and also was shouted down as "Racist" claiming there were parts of the city that people (and police) avoided was "racist".
You've basically allowed an infestation to grow, and colored anyone who discusses it as "racist" making it become an unmentionable, and are amazed at the result? Good work "PC" people.
[–]Brobi_WanKenobi [score hidden]  (2 children)
Can't stump the Trump
[–]sheepscum77 [score hidden]  (1 child)
lol, I think he's really going to get the nomination now
[–]InternetCommentsAI [score hidden]  (2 children)
TIL I'm a raging non white racist.
[–]prettylittledictator [score hidden]  (0 children)
ugh, you're victim of internalized racism! or some bs like that
[–]derpmaster9 83 points84 points85 points  (53 children)
Any Europeans want to weigh in on this? Are people starting to become more anti-refugee?
[–]JoshH21 111 points112 points113 points  (7 children)
The UK referendum for leaving the EU may well become very interesting
[–]kpp777 111 points112 points113 points  (11 children)
Even the left-wing parties in Poland no longer want the refugees. Funny thing is... this may unite people in Poland in ways that couldn't have been foreseen before...
[–]connorbonnor 16 points17 points18 points  (2 children)
Polan strunk
[–]kpp777 [score hidden]  (0 children)
As always... when Germany and Russia fall ;)
[–]chrischrisss 24 points25 points26 points  (1 child)
this is just surreal, they stand around and grope women as they walk by? I mean, I'd laugh at how fucking corny it is but there's real victims
[–]CernaKocka 2891 points2892 points2893 points  (589 children)
This is fucking insane. It makes me sick that the German's priority was covering up the fact that the perpetrators were migrants, whilst ignoring the victims.
If the plan was to turn me from being a reasonably liberal guy to thinking they should all be deported, then it's worked.
[–]Mooptimus 1463 points1464 points1465 points  (318 children)
The Germans do have a vested interest in not appearing intolerant of others based on ethnicity. Might have gone overboard though.
[–]ChoosetheSword 136 points137 points138 points  (28 children)
There's always the possibility though that this is less about political correctness/avoidance of appearing intolerant and more about politicians not wanting to take accountability for a mistake--which we know is par for the course.
[–]thirdegree 100 points101 points102 points  (23 children)
Little of column A, little of column B.
[–]StabbyPants 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
remember the rotherham scandal - i'm going more with column A.
[–]reegdor 146 points147 points148 points  (3 children)
You certainly have a point
[–]Kiddl22 447 points448 points449 points  (147 children)
indeed. with their political correctness and WW2 guilt, the germans (especially merkel) have screwed up europe for the 3rd time in 100 years.
i would really like to know what's going through merkel's head though. does she want to do this to germany and europe or does she not understand what 1mil arab immigrants per year will do to a country?
[–]eureddit 127 points128 points129 points  (8 children)
indeed. with their political correctness and WW2 guilt, the germans (especially merkel) have screwed up europe for the 3rd time in 100 years.
Just six months ago, during the Greece financial crisis, the accusation was that Germany was trying to dominate all of Europe. There were caricatures floating around of Merkel as literally Hitler, Germans were accused of being too quick to demonize foreigners (the Greek) and to blame them for everything wrong with Europe and Germany, and people were seriously arguing that Germany was destroying the continent by working on erecting a Fourth Reich.
Here we are, just half a year later, and the accusations are that Merkel is literally trying to be Mother Theresa, that Germans are too slow to point fingers are foreigners (immigrants) and that they refuse to blame them for all the havoc those foreigners are wreaking on Europe and Germany, and people are seriously arguing that Germany is destroying the continent by being too politically correct and traumatized over WWII.
It's fucking bizarre.
[–]GTFErinyes [score hidden]  (0 children)
It's fucking bizarre.
It's not that bizarre when you consider that Germany wields a shit ton of power in the EU. They can bully their EU neighbors who can't do shit to them to get what they want economically, while appearing to provide good will to the rest of the world to boost their own reputations for political points
It's not at all dissimilar to people who attack their own race or nation for their actions but are afraid to say anything about another race or nation for equally or even more awful actions
[–]myrddyna 182 points183 points184 points  (28 children)
Merkel doesn't know any poor Arabs that don't have manners. It's hard for her to relate.
[–]BedriddenSam 73 points74 points75 points  (21 children)
This is it. She meets nice Arab diplomats and never has to deal with the realities on the ground of what these cultures can be like. Some US military guys were saying the Syrians they were made to work with not only couldn't read, they couldn't count. Like "go four doors down and open that door" and they'd have no idea what to do. These people are supposed to integrate and help the host country?
[–]Tommo3 [score hidden]  (8 children)
If they can't count, I doubt they'll know how to integrate, it's not the simplest maths skill.
[–]_bpm [score hidden]  (0 children)
I'm sorry but I'm gonna need a source on that. We're not talking about some tribe in the middle of the Amazon, I'm pretty sure they can count and this was taken out of context.
[–]ShibuRigged 254 points255 points256 points  (54 children)
She thinks/thought she'd go down in history as a German Mother Theresa who saved and rescued 1,000,000+ refugees fleeing from war. That's all these politicians and bleeding hearts care about. Not people, but how they will appear in history books, wanting to be on the 'right' side of it.
And it isn't Mutti Merkel, it's every other major political leader too.
Why would they care anyway? They live in gated, protected communities with other elites and are a world away from these things. At most, they'll meet some refugees under strict, controlled conditions and that's it. They don't have to live in and around these areas on a day to day basis. Their loved ones and friends will never be exposed to it, so why should they care?
This has been going on for years, across all of Europe. It just took one incident of mass abuse in a public space to bring things to the point where it can't be hidden and brushed under the carpet any more.
Nobody who actually reads media outlets from *all sides *of the political spectrum, or the extreme right who are most focused on these issues and feeling pretty smug with "I told you so" sentiments, should be surprised by it. It's only the bleeding hearts on the radical left who wanted to boast about their 'tolerance' on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter, are shocked. Like commentators here, and other websites, who thought that everything would be happy families, showing extreme ignorance about the cultural differences and potential negatives with such large amounts of people moving in such a short space of time.
[–]ajustice83 219 points220 points221 points  (48 children)
There was always a middle ground. There was always room for compassion for children, for women, and for family men.
No. Instead we got berated by anyone for daring to suggest that a massive migration of millions of people who come from a culture that believes in the antithesis of the host country will ultimately not work out.
It didn't even take years for this to develop. It took months.
As a middle of the road kind of guy, the actions of those to the left of me worry me that kooks like Trump will gain even more popularity, because in this one instance, he's right. You can't just allow unchecked immigration then jump and applaud that you're doing the right thing.
[–]elcheeserpuff 637 points638 points639 points  (42 children)
Your post history betrays your claim that you've only just now decided you're anti-immigrant.
[–]louisbo12 141 points142 points143 points  (13 children)
I've heard of reports coming out of sweden now too.
It just keeps getting worse. 2016 will be the tipping point.
[–]Wahnsinnige 59 points60 points61 points  (1 child)
This isn't going to end well.
[–]futuremachine 30 points31 points32 points  (8 children)
I wonder if we'll see the same stories in my country, the Netherlands.
[–]umwelter [score hidden]  (9 children)
I remember many people said how racist and xenophobic Japan is for not taking the "refugees" and praised Merkel several months ago.
[–]ChaIroOtoko [score hidden]  (1 child)
Japan is very efficient in assimilation though. Living here for 2 years and already I am living and eating like a Japanese. The main problem is that Japan is a non religious country, so this place is hell for muslims.You cannot preach or hold rallies or spew bullshit in the name of your religion here.
[–]Fairwhetherfriend 32 points33 points34 points  (6 children)
So frustrating. It drives me fucking crazy when certain people take advantage of their position to be assholes, and then ruin it for other people.
Seriously. These fuckers are doing nothing but convincing people that the anti-immigrant sentiments are valid, and now there are going to be all these people who are in legitimately shitty positions and actually just want to leave to make a better life for themselves, and they're going to be denied refugee status because of the behaviour of these assholes.
It's like those women who make false accusations of rape. There's a special circle in hell for people who do a thing that is not only awful for the victim, but in the process, manage to fuck honest people out of the things they need.
[–]OhSureItIs [score hidden]  (3 children)
This is exactly what happens when people are too idealistic and enact feel good policies while ignoring reality. What did these idiot legislators think would happen?
These people come from a dog eat dog world where they've had to fight to put food on the table. They've grown up that way, it's ingrained in them. Their mentality is completely different. They come to a cushy European country where opportunities are plentiful and consequences are practically a slap on the wrist (if that) obviously they'll take full advantage.
There's a ridiculously enormous culture shock coming from the Middle East to Europe, trust me, I would know. You can bring in a handful of people at a time and they'll assimilate because they'll be immersed in the host nation's culture. They really won't have a choice otherwise. They'll learn the language, their kids will go to school, have native friends, keep parts of their old culture and absorb parts of the new. It may take 2-3 generations before these groups fully integrate and become truly European.
What they've done is basically bring so many people over that they have their own enclave of people from their same/similar culture. It's so much easier to associate with like minded refugees than natives, especially since there's an added language barrier to the huge culture difference. So what happens? These people stick together and keep to their old ways.
I'm so sad to see this happen to Europe but in all honesty, I think it's too late. Europe could have been so much more, especially with the new cultural progressiveness but the ultra-liberal morons had to take it too far. For want of a nail...
[–]kenkojuku 91 points92 points93 points  (15 children)
This may just be the start. What will happen 10-15 years down the line when the male children of these migrants let into Germany now turn 18-25 years old, with little or no work available? I can see how most Germans suffer from an immense guilt trip foisted on them, but have the people of Germany lost their minds?
[–]is_it_fun 44 points45 points46 points  (9 children)
When Syria stabilizes... they should be pushed right on back. Give them a subsidy, whatever. Get them the fuck out.
[–]DoctorXX 45 points46 points47 points  (3 children)
Lol that's a funny one. Syria won't stabilize anytime soon. Look at what happened in Iraq and Libya - Dictators gone and nothing but chaos.
[–]balisto123 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
So leave the german cities to 1000s of arab men? In Cologne that was 6-7 hours where the state lost complete control. That night Germany, as a State, didnt exist in Cologne. It was conquered by an outside force. How can Syria stabilize, when Germany cant hold a City?
[–]rosenbergstein [score hidden]  (0 children)
Just what you're expecting. Sexual violence and delinquency.
[–]BuboTitan [score hidden]  (0 children)
The Germans think this is the solution to their aging population. But really .... are millions of Arab and African guys really going to be interested in working to support German pensioners? I doubt it.
[–]sheepscum77 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Should have learned from what happened when Castro dumped hordes of prisoners in Miami. It was a blood bath.
[–]grebis10 [score hidden]  (0 children)
I foresee every future eligible job applicant being unspokenly told the position is no longer available because their parents refused to assimilate and destroyed any chance of success for their children.
[–]betany 156 points157 points158 points  (80 children)
Evidently this is a cultural phenomenon... Imagine how terrible it must be to be a woman living in Arabic or North African countries. I knew it was bad for then, but I had no idea sexual oppression was so systematic...
[–]hipsterplague 47 points48 points49 points  (7 children)
IMO it doesn't work exactly like that. I mean, yes, in parts of Africa rape is common and endemic, but you wouldn't see this is Saudi Arabia, for example. I think there's the additional factor of taking young Muslim men out of a repressive society and putting them in a liberal society en masse, where they feel the rules don't apply to them (both Muslim and legal). They basically see the West as their whore, and Islam as their dutiful wife.
[–]MiniMidget [score hidden]  (0 children)
you are right. I know many people in the Middle east (I'm from there myself) that do exactly as you describe. They abide by the rules of Islam and the country, but once they fly abroad for holidays they do the exact opposite. Their excuse for doing so is usually that western girls dont care because they are "whores/bitches and look at the way they dress as they are asking for it".
it's depressing to know that the only thing from keeping them from doing it in their own countries is only because of fear of religion/law, and not because it's common sense and bad not to do that in any case.
[–]bottomlines [score hidden]  (0 children)
Furthermore, if the girl isn't Muslim, they don't even need to feel guilty about fucking her when they're not married. See Rotherham in the UK for example, where groups of Pakistani immigrants actively targeted white girls because they didn't consider it sinful.
[–]IndianPhDStudent [score hidden]  (1 child)
Yeah. Also, in many conservative places, "rape" is defined in terms of "insulting" or "humiliating" a woman and her honor, and not in terms of the fact that is a bodily invasion.
It would probably be genuinely indistinguishable for an outsider to see the difference between, say, a nightclub and a stripclub. In both, you have liberally dressed women dancing with men, your life experience tells you women who wear skimpy clothes are generally prostitutes, and you've also been taught "good or bad" in terms of religion. When you see men and women kissing on the streets you've no idea whether or not they are married, in a relationship, or just random strangers who walked up to each other and started kissing. You are in a world that appears to be a giant sex orgy and you don't know how any of it works.
These are also young men, to whom a Western country is like Vegas or Eurotrip. Rules don't apply here, and they don't think much of women or consent. Young rebellious teenagers or young adults who have suddenly been released from religious shackles of a judgemental society into the wild wild west.
Moreover, what do you think they think about police or law and order? They come from countries where literally one group of parollers get shot down and replaced the next day by another group of parollers. Every person for themselves.
So yeah, it's terrible. Europe has historically been homogenous and don't have the wisdom or insight like USA on how to deal with race relations, immigration etc. Politics must chew what the society can swallow.
[–]hipsterplague [score hidden]  (0 children)
Well said. I'd like to know more about the idea of honor and its relationship to rape, and the differences between bodily autonomy and humiliation, if you could shed more light on that it would be great.
[–]MJWood [score hidden]  (1 child)
You would see it in Saudi Arabia if women walked around in public not covered up. They don't allow young men to eat in the same section as 'family' because they're considered a threat.
[–]XHF1 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Islam clearly prohibits alcohol and any sexual contact outside of marriage. But just because someone is a Muslim obviously doesn't mean that they follow Islam.
[–]zai614 57 points58 points59 points  (50 children)
Honestly I think it depends on the social class of the town they grew up on. I'm a woman and have three sisters, we've lived in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, and now I'm in the US. Have either of us ever been sexually harassed? Thankfully no. But we grew up and lived in more educated/wealthier cities where everyone was either working or studying and there was little to no poverty.
Have we ever been stared at or followed? Unfortunately yes and that's happened in every country I've lived in.
Also I'm not in any way saying what those men did was okay, I'm just saying it isn't a common thing that happens to every woman in the middle east.
[–]Gorgeous-Glen [score hidden]  (6 children)
I have been harassed by all kind of shop and drug sellers in Morocco.
The first seller did not accept a no as an answer for his 300 dirham shoes ($30), next to and similar to some $3 shoes. So he followed me to a restaurant and sat at my table. Telling me he wanted to be BFF with me and do long time business.
Sellers complimenting me on my clothes, embracing me by my shoulders to ask me if I want drugs.
I am a man.
On the meantime, I saw women completely covered or wearing some metallic beards on their faces.
EDIT: The Qatari "batoola" (TYVM!) could have been seen at a German street and mashed up in the memory.
[–]UncleTogie 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
Metallic beards? Could you be a bit more specific?
[–]Gorgeous-Glen [score hidden]  (0 children)
A burka with brass. Something like this, but what resembled me to be a beard and moustache.
[–]Ilovebanshee [score hidden]  (2 children)
I think he is referring to "batoola", which is kind of like a traditional thing rather than a covering up device.
[–]Gorgeous-Glen [score hidden]  (1 child)
Well, If it's traditional, then it's not humiliating.
Edit: /s
[–]Ilovebanshee [score hidden]  (0 children)
No, it's still a hijab sort of thing I think, I'm no expert.
I just meant to say that it's also seen as a proud traditional heritage sort of thing.
[–]KhalmiNatty [score hidden]  (1 child)
You just described my exact experience when I was in Casablanca. The same exact thing happened in Dakar. I'd actually say the street hustlers were worse there than in Casablanca.
[–]Gorgeous-Glen [score hidden]  (0 children)
I have not been to Rome yet, but I have been described the street sellers just like the Moroccan strategy of harassment and demolition.
[–]StopsForKittens 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
That's the thing I believe, people from backwaters are thrown into very liberal cities here, and German police aren't much to be afraid of.
[–]zai614 [score hidden]  (2 children)
I believe that's true too. I knew some syrians that lived in Saudi Arabia and Lebanon which were well off and could afford to be educated and are now working or living abroad comfortably. It seems like the ones that are fleeing to Europe illegally lived in very poor villages/towns and ghettos of Syria who've never experienced different cultures.
[–]chintzy [score hidden]  (1 child)
That's not necessarily true, given the high cost of illegally transporting yourself from Syria to Europe.
Most of the poor people fled to nearby countries like Jordan, Lebanon, etc. It costs around US $30,000 to get to Europe for them.
[–]zai614 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Are you sure about the $30,000? From the documentaries and stories I've read most smugglers took a couple grand per person.
[–]Ashley8777 2 points3 points4 points  (14 children)
Being followed is not normal, staring yes.
[–]StopsForKittens 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
I've been followed several times. I think most of those guys were trying to muster up the courage to say something to me tbf. But it happens anywhere.
[–]MJWood [score hidden]  (5 children)
How often does it happen and how many people think it's OK? I don't see hordes of German men standing outside railway stations groping and raping immigrant women.
[–]StopsForKittens [score hidden]  (4 children)
OP was describing her situation living in wealthier cities in Saudi Arabia and Lebanon and how that couldn't be compared to the shit show that went down in Cologne.
[–]MJWood [score hidden]  (3 children)
I took issue with your 'it happens everywhere' comment.
[–]StopsForKittens [score hidden]  (2 children)
I was talking about being followed.
[–]MJWood [score hidden]  (0 children)
Oh. I think I got confused.
Sellers in Morocco are definitely more likely to follow you down the street than in other countries though.
[–]Beebeeb 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Happened to me in California. More than once.
[–]MJWood [score hidden]  (0 children)
In Morocco it is absolutely normal to be followed by sellers.
[–]Fashbinder_pwn [score hidden]  (0 children)
I once looked at a person for more than 5 seconds too :(
[–]zai614 -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
Wasn't there a viral video of a girl being followed in NYC? I mean that happens everywhere, not like followed me home but just tried to get my attention.
[–]Goldmedal_ 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
I think the video was shown to be staged.
[–]zai614 [score hidden]  (0 children)
That's possible
[–]toboggan_mantis_md [score hidden]  (0 children)
Shit definitely happens. One of my friends got followed at night in Austin one time. He ended up getting robbed at gunpoint, though.
[–]rosenbergstein [score hidden]  (0 children)
The rich are a minority everywhere
That doesn't leave a lot of people of wealthy class to be mass imported
[–]browsilla [score hidden]  (3 children)
probably because you hung out on the family side of starbucks in Saudi :)
[–]zai614 [score hidden]  (2 children)
Haha not gonna lie we have hung out there, but I mean we've also walked around malls and other public hangout areas.
[–]MJWood [score hidden]  (1 child)
The malls are virtually the only places women can or do hang out.
[–]zai614 [score hidden]  (0 children)
It was the best place to hangout because of the food court, shopping, and arcade area but we also hung out in dining halls, bowling alleys, game rooms etc.
[–]MJWood [score hidden]  (4 children)
You lived in a bubble. And you wore an abaya.
[–]zai614 [score hidden]  (3 children)
I did indeed because it was part of their culture and we wanted to respect that since they were letting us work and live in their country. Since it was not part of the culture in Lebanon or US I didn't wear the abaya anywhere else.
[–]MJWood [score hidden]  (2 children)
You wore it because it was the law and you would have been harassed otherwise assuming no police arrested you.
[–]zai614 [score hidden]  (1 child)
It's a law for their citizens only, although I've seen some that don't even wear it. It depends on the city also, I lived in a very international city with a lot of foreigners (americans, europeans, east asians, other arabs) who didn't wear it and have yet to see anyone being arrested even though there was mall police all around us.
[–]MJWood [score hidden]  (0 children)
I never saw anyone not wearing it and I've been to Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam, and Al Ahsa. I guess Jeddah would surprise me least.
[–]wMilkman 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
systemic not systematic
[–]Markiep52 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
In some places like Afghanistan they use little boys since Allah isn't into premarital sex and all that.
[–]BedriddenSam [score hidden]  (1 child)
Here is an example of their rape culture. Get ready to cry. He doesn't even care he's being filmed, he's just bragging.
[–]animalsafari [score hidden]  (0 children)
This looks extremely fake. Notice how oddly his head moves and how his face conveniently artifacts away when he looks into the camera.
[–]MightyPenguin 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
Really? They aren't allowed to drive, walk around in public by themselves, show their entire face or their hair, and the list goes on and on. And the fact that sexual oppression is rampant and systematic SURPRISES you?? Get out of under the rock you have been living under!
[–]Cardboard95 [score hidden]  (0 children)
sigh You honestly have a very skewed view of the Middle East.
[–]zai614 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
You do know that's only one country out of 20+ muslim majority countries right?
[–]MightyPenguin -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
No not ONE country, most of the middle east countries. I know there is Muslim countries in other places that are more civilized but want to remind me again where THESE refugees are from?
[–]zai614 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
You're right the refugees are from another muslim majority country, but i was referring to the laws you mentioned not being allowed to drive, be in public, show their face etc. No other country has those laws except one.
[–]sql_clue [score hidden]  (0 children)
These men believe they can harass these women bc according to the cultural standard of where they come from European women dress and act like whores, not virtuous women.
[–]DrKoz [score hidden]  (0 children)
Calling it a "cultural phenomenon" is not an excuse.
[–]tantriki -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
Going to piggyback on here, and bring some points up. Sexual assault and sexism is rampant in many Arabic and North African countries, but is also extremely common in Western countries.
When reading the numbers of assaults reported (keep in mind most assaults are not reported) above, I was surprise. Not, however, surprised in the way one might think; these numbers don't seem especially high. Rather, my immediate impression is that these articles are biased in their anti-immigrant/refugee, and racist leanings. Sexual assault and rape are EXTREMELY common, and the fact that these assaults are getting media attention is good, but unfortunately being presented in the entirely wrong way.
From Canadian statistics:
  • Of every 100 incidents of sexual assault, only 6 are reported to the police
- 1 in 4 North American women will be sexually assaulted during their lifetime
  • sexual assault is far more common than most would suspect
  • relatively few incidents of sexual assault are reported to the police
  • young and otherwise vulnerable women are most likely to be sexually abused
- most sexual assaults are committed by someone close to the victim, not a stranger
Finally, in the United States someone is assaulted an average of every 107 seconds -- that's approximately 293 000 people per year. Source
Yes, lets talk about the frequency of sexual assault. Yes, lets talk about the cultural issues that allow this to continue to be such a widespread problem. Yes, lets investigate these problems worldwide. Yes, lets offer support to the thousands and thousands of victims across the globe.
But, lets not pretend this is an issue caused by refugees and migrants. Lets not let this fuel the rampant racism that is already making it impossible for those families fleeing war to find safety. And most importantly, lets not pretend this is solely a problem in Arabic and North African countries.
edited: formatting
[–]KetoSaiba [score hidden]  (0 children)
Your 1 in 4 statistic is factually incorrect. Rape per capita in the US has dropped by 40 % in the last 20 years. You are more safe now than at any time in history, in the US.
[–]Wheynweed [score hidden]  (0 children)
The 1 in four statistic has been disproven many times, I'm sure somebody will come along and do so.
[–]Rickster885 [score hidden]  (0 children)
I don't know, are we trying to pretend there shouldn't be more blame on refugees and migrants in this case so that we appear less racist?
I'm not going to deny that sexual assault isn't a problem everywhere, but I have a hard time believing it's as bad or worse in western countries as it is in the Middle East and North Africa.
I don't think it's a racist thing to suggest that. There are plenty of westerners of middle eastern descent who were raised in the west with the values of western culture. But a lot of people raised in the shithole countries of the middle east simply don't know better. If they don't respect our laws and our way of life, they have to be kicked out.
[–]ZDTreefur [score hidden]  (0 children)
Why are there still people who believe the 1 in 4 myth?
[–]macksdowntownsong [score hidden]  (0 children)
Well, let me put it this way, these "refugees" have their desirable situation in Europe where not only do the women show more skin, but more of the women are blonde. Arab and North African men are absolutely obsessed with blonde women, more so than any other kind of men on the planet are. So for these "refugees", it is like a dream come true to be in Europe and grope the kind of women that are their favorite.
[–]MBP_2011 [score hidden]  (0 children)
99.3% of Egyptian women have been sexually harassed according to the UN.
Well over 90% of Egyptian men said this was the woman's fault.
[–]DukeIsFast 107 points108 points109 points  (4 children)
Well good job Europe, you tried. Time for them to go home. Send Merkel with them.
[–]Bad_Fawn 47 points48 points49 points  (3 children)
Oh, none of us have to worry over her wellbeing. She's set for life. She never has to worry about employment, healthcare, or retirement. She never has to worry about her safety, or the safety of her family. She lives safely inside her gated home with security everywhere. No matter what happens, she'll be better than okay.
[–]MamHoModrei [score hidden]  (0 children)
She absolutely has to worry about her safety from now until the end of time. I would not be surprised if her life was attempted in the coming weeks. Blood is boiling for a lot of people and some of those have virtually no patience. Don't underestimate how negatively she is now regarded.
[–]EndTimesRadio [score hidden]  (0 children)
they can keep them at arm's length for her.
[–]sheepscum77 [score hidden]  (0 children)
I don't know about that. It seems that being remembered in history as some savior of millions of refugees was as important to her as anything else would be to you.
[–]buzzkill_chad 545 points546 points547 points  (87 children)
Thanks, Merkel!
[–]Sedated_Wolf 120 points121 points122 points  (80 children)
And just a few months ago she was being praised...
[–]SWIMsfriend 177 points178 points179 points  (18 children)
just goes to show, never trust a german that is Time's person of the year. They are bad news
[–]Flavahbeast 16 points17 points18 points  (3 children)
Weren't you Time's person of the year not too long ago?
[–]SWIMsfriend 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
i'm not german
[–]Ceaser57 [score hidden]  (1 child)
Too young to remember that you won in '06?
[–]meeper88 39 points40 points41 points  (4 children)
IIRC, Time's Person of the Year is supposed to be someone who's had a major influence on events, not necessarily someone you admire (though the editors have admitted leaning toward more admirable behaviours in the past). And, to be fair, Merkel has influenced a lot of stuff this year.
[–]Heterohom [score hidden]  (0 children)
Exactly. Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were Time's Man of the Year (Stalin won it twice, in fact). The winner is mostly determined by how much they influenced the world.
[–]Apkoha 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
It was a joke, because Hitler was also Time's Person of the year.
[–]Beat_the_Deadites [score hidden]  (0 children)
Your definition is right, but the rule still applies - don't trust them.
[–]GTFErinyes [score hidden]  (0 children)
Although in the case of Merkel's award in 2015, it was specifically in praise of her action towards the migrants
[–]MeanMrMustardMan [score hidden]  (1 child)
Hitler was Austrian.
[–]SWIMsfriend [score hidden]  (0 children)
according to Hitler, Austrian is part of Germany
[–]rosenbergstein [score hidden]  (1 child)
We need an austrian super star to provide a final solution for this problem
[–]SWIMsfriend [score hidden]  (0 children)
Honestly Swartzanigger would have been elected president back in 2008 if it was allowed. Everyone would have voted for him
[–]BobbyCock 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
......was Hitler Time's person of the year?
[–]BungholioTrump [score hidden]  (0 children)
Damn son, you best give that guy some fuckin' aloe vera for that burn.
[–]CSMastermind -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Or don't elect a female president
[–]buzzkill_chad 250 points251 points252 points  (11 children)
She still is. She has opened all of our eyes to our ignorance and how our culture of equality, education, law and order etc. is clearly barbaric, so we must change our ways to suit these 'refugees' because we don't want to hurt their feelings at our own expense.
[–]whisky-bar 84 points85 points86 points  (6 children)
Demographic suicide taking place right before our eyes...
[–]font9a 35 points36 points37 points  (0 children)
Demographic suicide taking place right before our eyes…
Democratic suicide taking place right before our eyes
[–]thesandbar2 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Demographic suicide refers to the notion that countries (mainly EU and Japan) have fertility rates below replacement rate, so they'll have a declining population over time. That's usually a bad thing economically. I don't think it means what you think it means, though, and the way you're using the term does come off as racist.
[–]whisky-bar 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Am I meant to be the White supremacist here? What's your point?
[–]acebarry [score hidden]  (0 children)
You seemed figure it out.
[–]hipsterplague 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
I feel so enlightened and diverse. Thanks Merkel!
[–]Bitstrips 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
So true. They even took down crosses in some school classes just because it could offend refugees
[–]BobbyCock 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Can you expand on this? Obviously your post is sarcastic, but I feel it is a crystallization of an intelligent, broad explanation/opinion, one I would like to hear.
[–]zwiebelhans 61 points62 points63 points  (34 children)
Its pretty straight forward. Merkel was being praised by the left for promoting the flow of migrants. The left was strong and sure then that this was the proper course of action. There were plenty voices on the right who said this would be wrong.
Now the left is unsure or at least their position of this being a fine and positive thing is weak. As such you get more content against Merkel and her policy.
[–]nixzero [score hidden]  (0 children)
I lean left, and when the US was considering allowing migrants to enter the country, my stance was to treat these refugees as though they are infected with disease. If an ebola outbreak happened in Africa, would any country offer to harbor people seeking refuge? No, at least not without proper quarantine and migration procedures. One could argue that only a small sample of the refugees would be infected, but the risk of allowing them into another country to possibly affect your existing healthy citizens outweighs the need to provide support for random fellow humans halfway around the world.
When bringing up this argument, a lot of people tell me that I'm comparing apples to oranges, but am I? Barbarism behaves like a disease. It spreads from human contact and preys on the ignorant. Believe me, it's highly probable that an influx of barbaric Muslims will convert some of the more secular ones already residing in said country, wasn't that the case in the San Bernardino shooting?
[–]rocketsauce82 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
All these leftist/progressive ideas read great on paper. They rarely ever work out as intended.
[–]Yellowie -20 points-19 points-18 points  (14 children)
Or gets downvoted to death in /r/worldnews. Stray away from the nationalist narrative and expect your comment never to see the light.
Edit: 30 downvotes in 20 mins on my last comment, how sweet <3
[–]Drusstification 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
All of your posts are positive? Or do you just wish to be persecuted by ebil nabsies to prove some point?
[–]Miotoss 20 points21 points22 points  (11 children)
You deserve it. Germany is a country. The politicians of germany whos job is to protect german citizens not migrants and refugees. We are not a world society and never will be.
Im so sick of the left thinking cultures can live in peace together its a fallacy.
[–]thirdegree 3 points4 points5 points  (9 children)
We are not a world society and never will be.
The day we become a multi-planet species is the day we can have peace on earth.
[–]LegendLength [score hidden]  (4 children)
You don't even need multiple planets. Multiple countries is fine as long as you are free to implement the laws you want.
For example I don't care if you are ultra-capitalist or ultra-socialist. As long as there is room for capitalists to live and room for socialists it works out fine. The problems happen when you try to mix the two or if one region tries to force their way into another region (via war or other means).
The problem is people see this as segregation (which it is) and suddenly start ringing alarm bells and comparing it to south africa.
[–]thirdegree [score hidden]  (3 children)
But that only works if you believe (for example) that middle eastern countries should be allowed to treat women as property.
[–]LegendLength [score hidden]  (2 children)
I agree it gets complicated if there are 'hostages' in another region. And that is why I supported the 2nd Iraq war. People were being raped and murdered by the government if they opposed them politically (or religiously).
But to me that is more a matter of basic human rights. As long as all regions obey that (and it's a fairly simple set of laws that has been around a long time) then I don't believe countries should interfere with each other.
[–]thirdegree [score hidden]  (1 child)
What do you feel are and aren't basic human rights, and why is your definition superior to all other definitions?
[–]Fatdap [score hidden]  (3 children)
The day we become a multi-planet species is the day we can have peace on earth.
Won't happen as long as religion exists. While, yes, a lot of religious people are fine and don't bother anyone else and simply live their lives, religion is by nature a breeding ground for hatred, extremism, and racism, and it will always cause societal problems because as George Carlin put it, it's all one big dick waving contest.
[–]thirdegree [score hidden]  (2 children)
Ya what I said doesn't actually make sense, but it sounds nice.
"The day we become a multi-continent species is the day we can have peace in Europe" it just doesn't work.
[–]Fatdap [score hidden]  (1 child)
The internet and global media is starting to slowly work us towards a global society, which is nice, but it's going to be a very long process. I think our grandparents, and parents generations dying off will change a lot of that though since so many of them are so stuck in their ways.
[–]thirdegree [score hidden]  (0 children)
I agree with that.
[–]TheSherman [score hidden]  (0 children)
thinking cultures can live in peace together its a fallacy.
Thanks to people just like you all over the world.
[–]BadAdviceBot [score hidden]  (0 children)
plenty voices on the right who said this would be wrong
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
[–]adidasbdd -8 points-7 points-6 points  (14 children)
Is this the worst possible outcome? Is this better than hundreds of thousands of people dying?
[–]iTroll-4s 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
Is this better than hundreds of thousands of people dying?
Those immigrants came from camps in Turkey and similar places. They could have stayed in the first non-war country. In fact many of them have been there for quite some time - the extent of this mess is largely due to Turkey intentionally leading them through and putting political pressure on EU knowing they won't be able to respond. These people have nothing in common with European culture they should not be accepted without significant filtering - like the standard immigration process does. If EU wanted to be humanitarian they should have sent monetary aid to bordering states of warzone region to help take care of refugees - not facilitate a completely uncontrolled immigration policy.
[–]canzpl 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
most of these people didnt ran away from war. they ran INTO europe for free money
[–]air_yeezy 9 points10 points11 points  (6 children)
Would you want to see your sister attacked to save a family one of whom is the attacker?
[–]Yauld [score hidden]  (0 children)
I mean it doesn't really work like that, "Would you want to see your sister get run over and killed by a car just so that some people can get to places faster?" Kind of a complicated question.
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    [–]wrathofoprah 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Is this better than hundreds of thousands of people dying?
    Right, the only choices were New Rapistan or Genocide. There weren't 5000 other better options people proposed.
    [–]Thefriendlyfaceplant 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    You can't just put Europe on lockdown. The discussion was never about between more refugees and less refugees but rather the way these people should best be managed.
    [–]CC440 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    You can absolutely shut down and control borders. You can't stop 100% of people willing to do anything to cross them but there's a huge gulf in between the ~10,000 people per year who could cross a tightly controlled border and allowing millions over an open one.
    [–]adidasbdd 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Will it get better?
    [–]lambtonia 39 points40 points41 points  (3 children)
    She was praised by the media.
    In the real world, most people thought that exactly this kind of thing would happen.
    [–]Jaewok 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Everyone with at least half of a working brain cell saw this coming a mile away.
    [–]BigFootFreddie [score hidden]  (1 child)
    No plenty of people thought this was a great thing to do and would have done it in the US as well if they could.
    They'd take in any poor person on the planet and bulldoze the homes of Americans to make room because they've joined a weird ideological cult and this cult says that power much be restructured based on misfortune, so a poor foreigner is to be placed above a comfortable American.
    [–]LegendLength [score hidden]  (0 children)
    The beauty of moral relativism
    [–]Perunsan 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
    aside from the media no one was doing that
    [–]testa12 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The media have a lot to answer for in all of this.
    [–]SaturdayMorningSwarm 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    A person can make sure they do the right thing, but they can't make sure others do. Giving refuges somewhere to go was the moral thing to do, it's not technically her fault that the refuges then reneged on their side of the bargain.
    The moral thing to do now, is deport the perpetrators.
    [–]Aerius-Caedem 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    And just a few months ago she was being praised...
    By people who think with their hearts, not their brains. Anyone with an iota of forethought realised the obvious problems inherent in letting in hordes of unvetted people into Europe; the problem is that we were just immediately dismissed by the masses as racist.
    Letting in genuine refugees[who abide by the law] in need of help is one thing, letting every fucker who claims to be a refugee in is something else entirely. A big clue to the attitude of the people we were allowing into Europe should have been obvious by the fact that they resorted to riots every time a country tried to follow the rules and process them instead of just allowing them to flow through to Germany, Sweden or the UK. Throwing a hissy fit because a government tries to verify you isn't the act of a genuine refugee who is escaping horrible conditions, it's the act of a chancer who just wants to get to one of the "good" countries, and not possibly be granted asylum in a "bad" country.
    [–]Ayyy_lmao_lol [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Not in germany, dude, not in Germany. She remains claiming refugees are actually an "opportunity", that they will help our economy. What a blatant lie. I wonder what she is gonna say now. Everything but the truth, that's for sure.
    [–]mise_en_jardin [score hidden]  (0 children)
    And just a few months ago she was being praised fellated...
    [–]legalize_memes [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Only by the fucking insane.
    [–]j3AoLBsU [score hidden]  (0 children)
    A few months ago I was calling her the whore that she is.
    Anyone who didn't see this coming is a fucking idiot.
    [–]BigFootFreddie -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    By fools.
    [–]donald347 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    You can blame her, but I would blame everyone who cries "Islamophobia!" when people try to point out that it's a backward ideology resistant to change.
    [–]is_it_fun 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    She'll just Merkeln until something even worse happens. Then she'll Merkeln some more.
    [–]hurpington [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Refugees Welcome!
    [–]Rentington [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Merkel's like "Did I do that?"
    [–]Aussi3 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The guy is a total smug ass, but Tony Abbott (ex Aussie prime minister) publicly predicted this outcome.
    [–]rocketsauce82 65 points66 points67 points  (4 children)
    Is anyone really surprised?
    These migrants are from cultures and societies that have little or no respect for women.
    [–]-vandarkholme [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Its not just that. A lot of aspects of their culture are disgusting.
    [–]Mira113 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    And judging from the ones who have moved, and in lesser numbers, to other countries in the past, they have no plans on adapting to the local culture and would much rather try to force theirs down our throats.
    [–]LegendNoJabroni [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Bleeding heart liberals are shocked!
    [–]dardanmm 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
    Being an asylum seeker to the US, makes this so much more disgusting for me... a country tries to help you and this is how you pay it back? Sometimes I can't blame people for being xenophobic...
    [–]Brobi_WanKenobi [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Obviously I can't speak for Europe but where I'm from in the US no one really has any issue with foreigners, if you're cool, we're cool to you. Obviously there are some outliers but generally if you're doing your thing then you're left alone
    [–]SigmaQ 26 points27 points28 points  (3 children)
    Screw being politically correct. They need to treat these perpetrators as the same as all other sex offenders. We can't just forget this and move on.
    [–]Chevron [score hidden]  (0 children)
    How is it politically incorrect to ask that sex offenders be treated like sex offenders? Who wants us to forget and move on?
    [–]LegendLength [score hidden]  (0 children)
    But german state media avoided this story for 5 days. The aussie state media did the same. So it's possible the state will help people try to forget it and move on in the future.
    [–]IncriminatoryAccount [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Let's not turn racist here bro..
    [–]DrKoz [score hidden]  (12 children)
    In my language there is a saying that roughly translate to: if you pick up snakes and put them inside your coat, against better advice, you don't get to complain later when you get bitten. I'm probably gonna get downvoted into oblivion for this, but have to put it out there.
    [–]stucktomylaptop [score hidden]  (3 children)
    who has the idea to put snakes in their coat?
    [–]DrKoz [score hidden]  (2 children)
    That kind of is the point.
    [–]French__Canadian [score hidden]  (1 child)
    What if the snake asks for asylum?
    [–]WhyNotPokeTheBees [score hidden]  (0 children)
    That's impossible, snakes can only say "Ssssnek".
    [–]Anon_Amous [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Somebody else owns the coat they have to share though and they are the ones doing the snake plucking.
    The question is when will those sharing the coat just get rid of the snake-pluckers?
    [–]orangeicepopsicle [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Interesting.. but so true
    [–]comjaw [score hidden]  (0 children)
    The Scorpion and the Frog is how the story is told where I am from. The frog wants to help the scorpion cross the river. The scorpion kills the frog halfway across the river saying it is his nature. The scorpion drowns.
    In Muslim tradition it is the The Scorpion and the Turtle. Where the turtle defends himself and drowns the scorpion unharmed.
    [–]Best_Girl_Ahri [score hidden]  (1 child)
    What language?
    Also, the saying is completely correct.
    [–]DrKoz [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Sinhala. Language of Sri Lanka.
    [–]goodvibeswanted2 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    What language is that from?
    [–]tsv36 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    The tide has turned, you don't have to worry about being downvoted for holding sane opinions anymore.
    [–]smokeychokeytokyo [score hidden]  (0 children)
    This is genius. Whoever downvotes you is too dumb to understand the meaning.
    [–]aidenpryde3025 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    Europe needs to find the middle ground between right and left wing views of this. The right sees any "other" as dangerous. The left never sees the danger. They are basically the extremes of paranoia and naiveté.
    [–]MoralElitist 81 points82 points83 points  (4 children)
    There is a clear correlation of metrics here. With an increase in immigrant muslims males, there is also an increase in sexual crimes.
    [–]sayitinmygoodear 56 points57 points58 points  (3 children)
    If you want to see it even clearer just check out the stats on sexual assault in England since muslums started flooding in.
    [–]MoralElitist 25 points26 points27 points  (0 children)
    So sad. The writing is on the wall. Yet the head stays buried. Keep them in the middle east.
    [–]Bwri017 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    "The numbers of sexual offences (64,205) in 2013/14 was the highest recorded by the police since 2002/03. As well as improvements in recording, this is thought to reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward to report such crimes."
    Emphasis should be placed on improvements made in the reporting of such crimes. I'm not saying there may have been an increase, but you must first try and figure out how much these factors contribute to sexual assault statistics before drawing conclusions.
    [–]Botogiebu [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Yeah, but your leaders live in gated communities, and it's really only them who need to feel safe. Besides, it's really fun and progressive to give away what isn't yours to give. Perhaps they've grown tired of fucking over their citizens so they outsourced it. Twice the rapes in half the time. What a deal.
    [–]Gasset 141 points142 points143 points  (120 children)
    This sticky surprised me
    anyway, several sources are claiming that all of these attacks were planned but I can't figured by who. Who you guys think it is? I don't any group that have done things like this before
    [–]catdoctor [score hidden]  (2 children)
    ISIS. No, stop laughing and let me explain. The ISIS philosophy includes treating women like property. And when their "property" is damaged, they get pissed off. They destroy the property (kill the woman) and also the defiler. Chances are, they can't imagine that men in other cultures feel any differently toward women.
    Another part of the ISIS philosophy is that they are seeking an epic war between Islam and the West. In order to make this happen, they need the West to attack, and most Muslims to be on the side of ISIS. The latter will only happen if the West turns against all Muslims.
    There are several ways to accomplish the latter. Until now, they have been using terrorist attacks to get Westerners all worked up and to try to get them to turn against Muslims. The San Bernardino, Chalrie Hebdo and November attacks in Paris, among others, have been quite effective in stirring up Western discomfort with having Muslims in their midst. But these attacks are expensive and hard to plan, they require weapons and/or explosives. What if they can have the same effect, but use only people?
    Well, with the millions of migrants making their way into Europe, it's not hard to slip in a few dozen who are committed to the ISIS cause. On a given night, say...New Year's Eve?... these men go out en masse and sexually assault as many white women as they can. ISIS expects the reaction to be pretty much what we're seeing: condemnation of all immigrants. If the West closes its doors to immigrants and send the ones who are already there back to the Middle East, there are going to be a LOT more radicalized Muslims. And all of this is accomplished for little more than the price of a few boat tickets to Lesbos. No weapons or explosives required.
    [–]zwiebelhans 173 points174 points175 points  (107 children)
    There was no big conspiracy. This was done by youths who have been repressed most of their lives. Now they got together to party, drink alcohol and hang out in the hundreds.
    Behave like hooligans , get treated like Hooligans.
    The solution is quite simple. Next time a large gatherings like this happen deploy hundreds of riot officers to control the situation and guarantee safety. Same as would be done for traditional European Hooligans.
    [–]You_Have_Nice_Hair 485 points486 points487 points  (18 children)
    Or, deport hooligans. They are guests, they should be treated as guests. If a guest acts rudely in house, I kick them out.
    [–]Captain_Rdopl 160 points161 points162 points  (5 children)
    This is the only correct answer.
    [–]elcheeserpuff -3 points-2 points-1 points  (4 children)
    It clearly isn't otherwise there wouldn't be this kind of discussion/debate.
    [–]Captain_Rdopl [score hidden]  (2 children)
    So you're saying it might not be best to kick out people who rape and assault?
    Because that is exactly what you're claiming.
    [–]elcheeserpuff comment score below threshold[score hidden]  (1 child)
    Don't put words in my mouth, I obviously didn't say that. Stop making straw men for yourself to fight.
    [–]Captain_Rdopl [score hidden]  (0 children)
    That's literally what you said.
    Kicking them out might not be the only correct answer.
    EDIT: It's interesting how people who fail at basic reasoning only respond with "...... You're creating straw men!"
    [–]I_hate_usernames123 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Some people still believe the earth is flat. I'm not saying what's right or what's wrong, but even when the answer is obvious there will still be debate about it.
    [–]CunnedStunt 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
    But the damage is done, and irreversible. Now if you know a guest has a reputation of fucking shit up, do you still let them in your house? Even if they haven't done anything I'd be wary of letting a person with that reputation step in by domicile. If they come in and smash my TV or smash my walls, I'm certainly gunna feel like an idiot for letting them enter in the first place. But a broken TV is nothing compared to a sexual assault, which is magnitudes worse and truly irreversible.
    [–]tGryffin 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Great analogy mate! Like when I let 10,000,000 refugee's into Europe and they broke my metaphorical Microwave. These assaults are way worse though. Bastards. /s
    [–]Kalazor 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The terrible part is the difference a person developing a reputation, and a group of people. The mob mentality of a 1000 or so young men have poisoned the well for others who are in real need of a safe home. Hopefully Germany can learn to be more careful and proactive with their policing and their choices of who exactly and how many people to let into their country without becoming so intolerant that they inflict new injustices on immigrants that are totally innocent.
    [–]mackpack [score hidden]  (0 children)
    I wouldn't call that "damage done"... more like "lesson learnt (hopefully)"
    [–]cadayrn 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Caucasians would get kicked out, arabs get a pat on the head. It's just their nature! We must forgive and help them!
    [–]Boostin_Boxer 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    But then you'd be called a racist bigot like the right wing in America for not wanting to take these people in because of safety concerns.
    [–]sp0ck06 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    All of these assaults were comitted by refugees and foreigners?
    [–]Menulo [score hidden]  (0 children)
    I have been saying this or a long time, but i feel crimes like theft are partly caused by a failed system. if they are not given jobs and have fuck all else to do it's only natural they resort to crime.
    But shit like this, or the anti gay nonsense you hear and you can fuck right off. If we take you in and you can't leave your backwards views at the door then do find somewhere else to live.
    [–]Sportfreunde -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    The danger there is that some countries don't give citizenship to others from places like Turkey so you could be a Turk wwho spent his whole life living in Germany and live in fear of deportation based on the actions of others in your group or accusations in case they aren't true agaisnt you.
    [–]notmyrralname 387 points388 points389 points  (36 children)
    Or how about this. They have NOT been repressed their whole lives. This, instead, is acceptable behavior where they are from. Furthermore, they do not respect the culturally different laws in the country they are seeking asylum in, and believe that women are property, just as they have always been taught.
    That possibly, this happens ALL THE TIME in their home country, but doest not go reported.
    Just a thought.
    [–]SSJ3Elsa [score hidden]  (2 children)
    That possibly, this happens ALL THE TIME in their home country, but doest not go reported.
    Just a thought.
    As someone raised in Cairo, I can confirm this.
    Every single day I witnessed gropings like this regularly, just not in giant mob form. That only happens during big holidays. Egyptian men some how grow up believing that if a western woman doesn't have a hijab, she is a walking sex doll who wants to fuck anything that moves.
    [–]GTFErinyes [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Egyptian men some how grow up believing that if a western woman doesn't have a hijab, she is a walking sex doll who wants to fuck anything that moves.
    When your only exposure to Western women is through Hollywood and online porn, it's not hard to see why that perception gets spread
    Read any travel guide to the Middle East and you'll see warnings on there for women traveling alone or in female only groups - it's definitely something people are warned about going there
    [–]SSJ3Elsa [score hidden]  (0 children)
    So that means it's definitely something you should expect when you let 1 million men in to your country who come from that cultural background.
    It's not like their rapist tendencies are simply going to disappear.
    There are no excuses for why that perception of western women gets spread. You don't see it happening in other cultures. Why does Muslim Arab culture get a pass?
    [–]CausionEffect 61 points62 points63 points  (21 children)
    When the cultural norm is the disrespect and ownership of females without consequences this would seem like the natural outcome in a much more progressive society. I want to think that it was a mixture of cultural/dogmatic bullshit and youth mixed with alcohol rather than a systemic problem.
    [–]reddit_spelunker 7 points8 points9 points  (5 children)
    cool, you can "want" to think whatever you want lol, women cant drive in saudia arabia
    [–]elcheeserpuff 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
    These guys didn't cone from Saudi Arabia.
    [–]LSeww 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    They come from the country with much older views that europe is now - they have much more taboos and "middle age" thinking. Some of them will adopt new culture for sure, but some of them won't.
    [–]CplHickz 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
    The difference in cultural attitudes towards women in Saudi Arabia and Syria are not as far apart as you think.
    [–]atheos 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    It's not completely unheard of elsewhere
    [–]PM_SHIT_AND_TITS 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    At ont point, you will have to accept that not all culture are alike and there is reason why we got separate borders with usually people that have the same core values. If they want to rape women, go do it in your countries. These people bring crime to germany, how those that benifit the germans? That whole multuculturalism thing is a flop
    [–]CausionEffect [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Where in my comment do I say all cultures are alike? You are responding to things that I did not say.
    [–]parasemic 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
    Ehm, if you dont think raping is a cultural issue of middle-east and african nations, youre completely delusional. Sexual assaults are around 100 000% more commonly done by immigrants than natives within EU since 2010. See Sweden for reference.
    [–]CausionEffect [score hidden]  (4 children)
    I don't think you've spent much time with many Muslim people. The extremes of their countries are bad, and the moderates aren't that great either. I've spent a fair amount of time with those who have immigrated to the United States for both work and personal. If you think every Muslim acts one way or another, then you can use that broad strokes on every other religion, and all American's are gun wielding Texan's.
    Sexual Assaults have been on the rise with immigrants, this is true and no one is saying that isn't a factor. You should focus on my comment in the context of NYE and the refugees, I am not talking about immigrants, I'm talking about the refugees.
    [–]BedriddenSam [score hidden]  (1 child)
    I don't think you've spent much time with many Muslim people. The extremes of their countries are bad, and the moderates aren't that great either. I
    I'm sorry, what was your point then?
    [–]CausionEffect [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Reread the rest of the post, it's in there.
    [–]parasemic [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Immigrant, refugee.. Who cares? We treat them the same since none of them actually need help. You live in a fucking walled garden in US since the problematic mass of human trash cant get in there due to controller borders. 99% of our refugees/immigrants/human shit are brought through human trafficing by turkish or russian crime syndicates. Even in Finland, parts of biggest cities are simply no-go areas for alone women who dont have a real life rape fantasy. In Helsinki (capital) we have ~3% of muslim populace yet every 3rd sexual assault is done by a muslim and almost every single rape of children (10-15y) is done by a muslim. We've had like 4 ~12y old girls raped within 3 months, all done by refugees. Its great.
    [–]CausionEffect [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Refugees are forced from their homes, have no desire to change their culture or real imperative to do so. Immigrants on the other hand should naturalize somewhat, not abandon their culture per say, but come to accept their adoptive culture.
    I do live in a Walled Garden, this is true. I would look for facts to back up your 99% statistic, but I know it's hyperbolic and I understand your meaning. Those brought in illegally should not reflect on those that come legally.
    I understand that it is an emotionally charged issue, but perhaps it is more an issue of the socio-economic lower classes acting like they do. Your argument could be used for the South Side of Chicago just as easily as Helsinki. There are areas where you don't go if you are a white female without fear for safety. They are poor neighborhoods, and it is much easier for the criminal element to get a foothold in such areas.
    I imagine it would be even easier to get people to be extreme if they didn't speak the same language as the populace, or at least without as much proficiency. Especially if they were from areas that were radicalized in their homelands.
    I believe you when you say things are bad, but I don't believe your numbers. I would want to see the statistics myself, as it stands you sound like a person from /p/ol.
    [–]arzachelx -2 points-1 points0 points  (6 children)
    Why do progressives want so bad to see a world of candy and lollipops and happiness when it's obvious to anyone who doesn't take a 3 monkeys approach that this is exactly how arab/islamic culture operates?
    [–]CausionEffect [score hidden]  (4 children)
    This is how a lot of the fundamentalist Arab/Islamic culture operates, no one is disagreeing. I am saying, specifically, that I am hoping/wanting to believe that the NYE issue with the refugees/immigrants was more stupid alcohol mixed with herd mentality and youth than a systematic problem.
    You don't know what I want personally, so I would suggest you not project anything.
    [–]CrazyPurpleBacon [score hidden]  (1 child)
    A simple case of causion effect eh
    [–]CausionEffect [score hidden]  (0 children)
    So far the best comment in reply to my own.
    [–]Fintrick [score hidden]  (1 child)
    People are worked up. You're being reasonable, but drawing very thin defining lines that many see as super blurry. People think "My country has young males that go drinking. And they rarely, if ever, rape someone, and even more rarely in herds." So they think to themselves there must be something special about Muslim immigrants/refugees (even though I know you want to separate the two). What is it about them that makes their drunk male youths rape and assault, while the numbers for locals are so much lower? Is it because of their low standing on the socioeconomic ladder? Perhaps. Is it because they come from a famously misogynist culture? Perhaps. It's probably a little of column A and a little of column B.
    It's just very hard for people to give the benefit of the doubt like you are in current times. Whether you're being naive or compassionate is not really for me to say since I don't know you and/or live in ground zero for all this.
    [–]CausionEffect [score hidden]  (0 children)
    I agree with everything you are saying.
    I live in an area with a lot of Fraternities, and the "herd of young males assaulting women" is pretty much the norm during drinking holidays. I give the benefit of the doubt to them because I know that people can be amped up by one single person being an asshole, and the Mutually Assured Destruction of assholery begins.
    I think you are right that it is (As Archer says) Little column A, little column B. Being from a culture that doesn't treat an entire gender as equal helps in them treating another cultures females as inferior or property. Mix in alcohol, and groups that would normally shy away from acting out like that are more likely to do so. Which, again, tends to be a youthfully stupid act since the biggest byproduct of youth is ignorance/inexperience and they are reverting to behavior they have seen previously.
    I view it as sort of "Children behaving badly from a bad family life" and I've dealt enough with those in my day to day life and previous work history to know that even the hardest ass "thug" or "problem child" is six months of solid listening, interest and interaction away from being a good person (for the most part) and I wouldn't want that denied to anyone.
    My compassion is probably a mixture of naivety and hopefulness. I am not at ground zero, and if I were at ground zero (my daughter is nine) I would probably be much more reactionary than I am.
    [–]space_monster [score hidden]  (0 children)
    also bear in mind some cultures not only disrespect women generally, they particularly disrespect women who aren't 'chaste' and 'modest' and 'god fearing' and completely covered in clothing.
    they don't generally treat women like this in Muslim / Arab countries, but some of them see Western women as godless whores who don't deserve respect. so it's easier for them to dehumanise them, grope them, and then laugh about how they taught those dirty cheap whore-dogs a lesson.
    I've heard many stories from white women (friends) being targeted in ME / NA countries just because they're white. they wouldn't treat their wives that way, but Western women are fair game because they 'don't respect themselves'.
    [–]protestor 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I understand where you're coming from, but
    This, instead, is acceptable behavior where they are from.
    If they are from Syria, no it isn't. But western girls may be considered 'sluts', which might contribute to this behavior.
    [–]hipsterplague 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I think it's different. You are correct about them seeing women as property, and that's why it doesn't happen like this so much in lots of Muslim countries. You would either have to marry the woman, or probably have your hands chopped off, or the husband would get to do something to you as payback. They think that, because these German women are not Muslim and are basically trash, that they can do whatever they want to them. They know the German government is too weak to stop them, and it looks like they are right. I mean, shit, they've probably spoken to friends in Sweden who think it's a paradise - they can come over, get huge welfare, hook up with blondes (whether the girls like it or not) and, if they get caught for any crime, claim 'racism' and 'cultural differences'.
    [–]thrwwwy2512 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    It's possible, assuming they're all migrants. It's just speculation though, even though the reports of the migrants all suggest a similar ethnicity it isn't proof they all are. Though I admit it's probably unlikely.
    What bothers me is the unwillingness to address the issue before now. If stuff like this is swept under the carpet, it's going to happen again. Has anyone actually even been charged? It's been over a week.
    [–]ur1336 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    this is the answer. Some people may not like to hear it but there is a bit of a general cultural difference in how women are treated in different places in the world. I had a friend who joined the Peace Corps and went to Morocco to teach young girls to read, write and learn basic math. She studied Arabic. She got regularly spit on in the street and threatened. She maintained a love for the culture and the people, I don't know how.
    But from my experience traveling around the world I am not surprised at any of this. I mean, you think people would catch on with that whole "cover most/every bit of exposed skin or else you deserve what you get" part of Islamic culture but they don't. Liberal/white guilt makes people say, "it's just a cultural difference, we should respect it." And no we shouldn't.
    This is what you get from cultures that treat women as second class citizens, even if the women agree with it. You import this into western culture and this is the inevitable result. If you want to bring these guys in you need to be prepared for this kind of culture clash.
    By their mentality they're not doing anything wrong, any more than construction workers in New York catacalling at girls in the 50s thought there was anything wrong with it.
    The whole thought that you can just grab a million people and take them out of their culture and drop them into someone else's and nothing "bad" would happen is hilariously naive.
    I mean if you took a million Americans from the midwest and dropped them into Mecca you'd have a mess of people not knowing how to behave to conform with the local expectations.
    You drop them into Tokyo and you get the same mess. Japanese have Japanese-only restaurants and clubs, and if you go to Bangkok they have similar things, not because the Japanese are racist just that it relieves the stress from having to interact with people from cultures who "just don't get" how to behave according to Japanese standards and requirements.
    To the overly liberal point of view though, everyone is good, everyone means well, we need to help people who need help and when we do that we'll just be helping good people who will be grateful and respectful and show kindness and goodness back to those they help.
    They never think that there are wolves amongst the sheep and those who are determined to get to the land of milk and honey are sometimes the most ruthless, conniving and able to and willing to break and abuse the rules if necessary to do so. And you put the wolves in amongst the sheep and what do you expect?
    This whole thing is a huge mess of good intentions plus ignorance plus willful blindness plus hope plus optics.
    Ukraine has been ripped in half by war and people are struggling and lost their homes there. Where are the planes picking them up to resettle them in western countries? Nobody gives two flying fucks. One dead boy shown on the TV and everyone wrung their hands over this and determined to do something about it, except everyone else in the world being raped and fucked over by their fellow kind and gentle citizens of their wonderful cultures, well fuck them. They didn't get a dead kid on the internet so we don't help them.
    The whole thing makes me sick.
    We all have homeless people and disadvantaged people in our own societies who are being fucked over and nobody is extending any hands to them either.
    ugh. Turned into a rant but man, this is so disillusioning that people lined up to clap for this stupid political charade.
    [–]pug_grama2 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    This why the females don't leave their homes much in Muslim countries, and only with male protection.
    [–]kiwi93111 -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
    show me on a map where in Syria mass sexual assault is a cultural norm...
    [–]Atomicrex2015 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Well if your culture doesn't define it as sexual assault then the stats will look pretty good.
    [–]notmyrralname 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Um, the Middle East part of the map?
    [–]thefuzzyfox 77 points78 points79 points  (6 children)
    The women are repressed, not the men, which is what was imported with them and caused this. By the by, isn't prohibition on alcohol consumption sharia law? Curious how that part of assimilation went off without a hitch.
    [–]AndrewKennedy 40 points41 points42 points  (4 children)
    Yeah but muslim countries drink a shitload, and they consume mass gay porn if that wasn't contradictory enough.
    [–]hipsterplague 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    It's only gay if you receive according to them. lol.
    [–]thereal_mc [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Why contradictory? Quite natural for sexually repressed misogynists wouldn't it be?
    [–]TheAmazingSasha [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Then why aren't they molesting each other?
    [–]ur1336 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    I have had drinks with muslim men in Dubai, the rules don't apply if you are rich and male. The rules apply to your woman who is at home though while you're at the hotel bar drinking. Hung out with guys from this area in other countries too and it is party time. Rich Saudis head off to the UAE for party time and then go back home after chasing girls and drinking booze for a week. Then, back to being devout muslims.
    Whole thing is filled with as much hypocrisy as you could imagine when you mix power and money and men calling the shots. As usual, some are more equal than others. The more male, the more rich, the more equal you are.
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      [–]terminamorte 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
      The solution is quite simple
      Don't let them enter in the first place.
      [–]AmoryGatsby 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      "Poor youths suppressed by evil people."
      No. It's degenerate Islamic goons who have no place in Western-Modern society.
      [–]student28567271 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      The solution is quite simple. Next time a large gatherings like this happen deploy hundreds of riot officers to control the situation and guarantee safety.
      So in your mind, the best solution to this is create a police state? How can you possibly think that would be a good thing, have you lost your mind? 30 years ago you didn't need riot gear in the streets of Germany for every festival. This is a problem of DEMOGRAPHICS not lack of policing.
      [–]vexatiousbot [score hidden]  (0 children)
      I think he meant deploy then deport people who are messing around.
      [–]Nazeex 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      I really don't see why we should waste time and money on controlling them every time there's a public occasion.
      Obviously, there are similar cases with native Germans doing the same, but nowhere NEAR this scale..
      It's just not worth it to an already not super stable EU to be on full alert 24/7 like we are at the moment and nobody wants to live like this
      [–]Brobi_WanKenobi [score hidden]  (0 children)
      That's the thing, there's too many to track down; they're no doubt going to get away with it and therefore learn that it is acceptable behavior
      [–]Xbitz [score hidden]  (0 children)
      Source for European hooligans that behaved like this?
      [–]growls [score hidden]  (0 children)
      Shouldn't waste the resources on them. Deport them and disallow more from returning.
      Sucks they need help but no use helping scumbags. And it's not worth the risk to actual citizsens to find the good ones out of the refugees.
      [–]Captain_Rdopl [score hidden]  (0 children)
      The solution is quite simple. Start off by not inviting them. Integrate migrants by obligating them to adjust to Western values and democratic standards. This is a democracy, not a theocracy. Deport the ones who don't agree.
      Ftfy.
      [–]soisawc [score hidden]  (0 children)
      you are so fucking dumb....This is not a rampant wave of rapists breaking down door by door and sexually assaulting people. This is a RAMPANT WAVE OF REFUGEES who are adamantly conflicted with western values. Stop fucking being afraid to label people for who they are, this kind of thinking it the same kind of thinking that leads to catastrophes. You need to recognize and deal with a problem not make up terms to distract from the population actually committing the crimes.
      [–]Dividedstein -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
      I agree. This is a product of sexually frustrated young men getting a face full of freedom rather than a coordinated attack. Completely inexcusable, but I can't imagine a more grand purpose for these assaults than that.
      [–]Sackyhack 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
      Were they actually planned though? How do we know?
      [–]macwelsh007 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      We don't. It sounds like bullshit to me.
      [–]irerereddit 14 points15 points16 points  (4 children)
      The sad part of this is that it's not like it just magically happened on December 31, 2015. I'm sure the suffering of these women was just swept under the rug by the media in years past.
      [–]SSJ3Elsa [score hidden]  (3 children)
      The "Syrian" "refugees" weren't there in past years.
      [–]kindreddovahkiin [score hidden]  (2 children)
      It's not just Syrian refugees? I traveled through Europe as an 18 year old a few years back and other European countries like France, Italy, and Spain were full of gropey men. The issue is obviously a lot worse now, but let's not pretend that Muslims are the only ones who do this sort of thing.
      [–]Mira113 [score hidden]  (0 children)
      No, but it is expected of them, in it's their culture to grope and even rape women who do not conceal themselves enough. Taking them in was asking for these things to happen. Sure it happened before they came, but now not only will the locals doing this keep on doing it, but a lot of migrants will join in since they were raised to do those things to teach women a lesson.
      [–]bangsecks 7 points8 points9 points  (5 children)
      What is going on here, why are there so many of these in one night? Very strange.
      [–]VoldemortsEvilTwin [score hidden]  (3 children)
      I'd assume it's just because NYE is probably the biggest party night of the year.
      [–]SourAbootLife [score hidden]  (2 children)
      My thoughts too. If these are happening every day then yes people have something to be afraid of, but if not this could actually just be a sad coincidence.
      [–]samjones37 [score hidden]  (0 children)
      What the fuck? Sad coincidence? What are you talking about? " If these are happening every day then yes people have something to be afraid of..." WHAT? These shouldn't be happening ever. And to say that this is a sad coincidence is a joke. A certain group of people was responsible for ALL of the sexual assaults, which was what everyone expected. No coincidence here boss.
      [–]ChaIroOtoko [score hidden]  (0 children)
      Imagine your country with highly developed society gets flooded by men from a society where women are oppressed and dating/pre marital sex is out of the books. Now imagine a day like the NYE where these men witness drunk(read vulnerable) women is revealing(for their standard) clothes. It's like hitting a jackpot for them.
      [–]scottishdrunkard 91 points92 points93 points  (16 children)
      Even if you are a refugee, if you disrespect the locals and their laws, fuck you.
      [–]gerdataro 62 points63 points64 points  (4 children)
      I was actually visiting family in Germany over the holidays and took the train to Cologne for the afternoon. My boyfriend and I went up the bell tower and then strolled through the Christmas markets. He had to go to the bathroom and it was so packed, so I told him to meet me by the main entrance to the bell tower, which is sleek and pretty well lit. I turn the corner and there's a bunch of North African or Middle Eastern guys hanging out drinking. I knew what to expect, having studied abroad in Belgium, and dealt with street harassment (mostly from Algerians) so I put on my ugly, pissed off face, hustled by, got catcalled, and went over to the better lit area. As I'm waiting, one goes and pisses on the cathedral. No doubt plenty of drunk Germans and homeless people have peed there. And obviously there are Americans and Europeans who do plenty of shitty things abroad. But I remember distinctly thinking, "Man, imagine going to their country and pissing on their church. I'm sure that'd go over great."
      [–]openforum2011 [score hidden]  (0 children)
      The difference is, we no longer care about our church (or our culture in general), they sure as fuck do.
      Our backbone is completely gone, the west is fucked.
      [–]hardcorebrowser [score hidden]  (2 children)
      pissing on their church
      Their Mosque? It should be pissed on by a JDAM.
      [–]gerdataro [score hidden]  (1 child)
      Woah there, cowboy. Cool yer jets.
      [–]PlayMeWhile 88 points89 points90 points  (6 children)
      It's not "even if you are a refugee". It's "even more so if you are a refugee".
      [–]Kitfisto22 [score hidden]  (0 children)
      Yeah normal migrants are let in on the basis of us wanting them. Refugees are a special circunstace where we are taking them in to save their lives more so then them being the best immigrants we can accept.
      [–]linkseyi -4 points-3 points-2 points  (4 children)
      Why is a refugee rapist worse than any other rapist?'
      Edit: Sorry I forgot questions aren't allowed.
      [–]rayzorium [score hidden]  (2 children)
      Because they're abusing hospitality on top of the same offense.
      [–]ohmanyouresosmart [score hidden]  (1 child)
      That's going to be especially hard for any apologist super leftist to understand.
      [–]omnisDatum [score hidden]  (0 children)
      Most things are.
      [–]Mira113 [score hidden]  (0 children)
      You break my pot knowingly, I get angry at you. You lose your house and I offer you shelter and food and then you also break my pot knowingly, then not only did you just break something of mine, but that means you show no respect to someone who was kind enough to help you in your time of need.
      It shows that they are not only bad persons for doing this, but that they have no respect for those helping them and likely never will.
      [–]Gorgeous-Glen [score hidden]  (0 children)
      Not only a refugee, this works for tourists and immigrants alike: in your country, you are can be an arsehole, you will be "the arsehole".
      In a foreign land, if you are an arsehole, then "all the people of this country are arseholes".
      [–]neo-account [score hidden]  (0 children)
      Even if you are a refugee...
      Even
      They don't deserve special privileges.
      It should apply even more so if you're a refugee. The country took you in and this is how you repay its citizens? I don't have a word for it.
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        [–]annecoulterisaman 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
        the future won't be kind to the people who warned about it either, that's the problem
        [–]markotza [score hidden]  (1 child)
        I wish I could see the dreaded faces of those clueless people who helped them and even took time to write welcome signs for them.
        [–]MFDork [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Because when women are getting robbed and molested, clearly the most important thing is your dick getting hard because you got to say "I told you so".
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          [–]neo-account [score hidden]  (0 children)
          Denial will still be the order of the day. I would be very surprised, but also happy, if this changed anything major in the current debate climate in Europe regarding immigration.
          [–]rustycreeks [score hidden]  (1 child)
          It's things like this that make me hope Donald Trump is elected president
          [–]fede01_8 [score hidden]  (0 children)
          He would be a great president of Europe
          [–]SingedAssholeHairs 16 points17 points18 points  (3 children)
          Deport them at once and close the borders indefinitely. It's not our problem.
          [–]StringuhBell [score hidden]  (2 children)
          That's what a sane, logical person would suggest.
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            [–]lakookareddit 50 points51 points52 points  (1 child)
            Rarely mentioned is the fact that if you or I went to some of their countries and did half of what they did, we could get life sentences or death as non-Muslims and Westerners.
            Or the implication in the liberal response: "These silly brown people aren't capable of acting like decent human beings; anyone that expects the same standards that we apply to ourselves, the clever white westerners, is a racist."
            No, they're human beings just like us and should be held to the same universal standards: No Rape, No Violence and No Weird Kid Stuff.
            [–]HaitchElGee 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
            The bigotry of lowered expectations.
            [–]jama3 21 points22 points23 points  (10 children)
            Did this happen last year?
            [–]Kaigon42 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
            I mean, technically?
            [–]Losingtolerance [score hidden]  (4 children)
            Islam does not respect women. In the eyes of Muslim men, women who do not wear the hijab or burqa are fair targets for assault or rape to teach them a lesson.
            Europe is hobbled by the legacy of the holocaust and self-hating political correctness. Europeans lack the will to stand up to an all out assault on their culture because they have no confidence in their cultural values - the Muslim horde will fill that vacuum, because Muslims have no problem with forcing their culture on "infidels", in fact, they think they have a duty to do so. The Horde does not fear repercussions under the laws of their adopted countries - a German prison is a five star hotel compared to the hovel your average "migrant" came from.
            European politicians will stand up and say that women need to keep an arms length away from other people, that getting raped by a horde of filthy Muslims is their own fault. Europe politicians are scared to death of being labeled as racists or "nazis". It's only a matter of time before Europe's public spaces become safe zones where women are required to cover up to keep from offending Muslim men who may be put off by seeing a women's uncovered hair. Many women will voluntarily start wearing the burqa out of fear of ever present harassment by roving gangs of Islamic sharia enforcement squads. Restaurants will stop serving pork, out of fear of gangs and harassment, and enclaves of outright sharia style rule will grow, and keep on growing. Muslims reproduce at geometric rates, unlike native Europeans.
            Hopefully the US will not be cowed by the challenge Islam presents and we will have the courage to actually defend our cultural values and fight back against the imposition of Muslim sharia law.
            [–]Whiteyak5 44 points45 points46 points  (16 children)
            Try it in Texas. Interesting turn of events would take place.
            [–]carl2k1 [score hidden]  (2 children)
            Deport the rapists and their families.
            [–]BlueOctoberHunter [score hidden]  (0 children)
            Why does the title leave out the obviously relevant fact that these attacks are perpetrated by Muslim immigrants, most likely "refugees"?
            [–]lagspike [score hidden]  (0 children)
            if you criticize waves of undocumented migrants coming into a country, you're a racist.
            if you point out that these rapists were also migrants, it's politically incorrect.
            has the whole world gone crazy? how the fuck can you ignore facts just because it doesnt fit your "migrants all singing kumbaya" narrative? absolute fucking bullshit. "oh, a migrant boy went to school today"...YET YOU IGNORE ALL THE BAD STUFF. fuck media bias. this has nothing to do with racism, or being PC, but EVERYTHING to do with the safety of german people, or other europeans affected by the migrants.
            you CAN NOT let in boats of migrants who may be ticking time bombs and expect everything to be ok. these migrant boats are the modern day equivalent of the trojan horse used to infiltrate the city of troy. merkel opened the gates of europe, and now we are seeing the fallout.
            shame on her, and the idiot mayor giving advice to people on how to "avoid being attacked". blame the fucking attackers, you idiots.
            [–]AzureCocoon [score hidden]  (3 children)
            The scary part is 20 children a family with 3 wives is commonplace, europe needs to make moves now or it's too late
            [–]astridstarship 7 points8 points9 points  (4 children)
            These people need to be deported, no questions asked. I don't see how it's PC to allow them to stay. Don't they have requirements for refugees, that if you commit a serious crime you're automatically deported?
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              [–]Kai_Proctor 216 points217 points218 points  (59 children)
              We're cool with our Illegal Mexicans. Ideologically the same as us and hard working. The Cartels keep their crazy shenanigans on their side of the border for the most part so that's nice too.
              [–]BraveSquirrel 72 points73 points74 points  (1 child)
              And their food is delicious!
              [–]2600Hurts 26 points27 points28 points  (3 children)
              To be fair, they also brought up what became Tex-Mex.
              [–]Im__Bruce_Wayne__AMA 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
              Tex-Mex was created through the fusion of Mexican and Spanish foods when Texas was part of New Spain and eventually Mexico. The term has been around since the early 1800s. Mexicans didn't really "bring up" Tex-Mex -- it was always part of Texas culture and spread, though in an increasingly Americanized form, throughout the southern U.S.
              [–]welsh_dragon_roar 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
              America's greatest export :)
              [–]coralsnake 18 points19 points20 points  (4 children)
              Notice this: "German Muslims Condemn Cologne Attacks, Fear Consequences"
              Notice how often Muslim organizations manage to find a way to condemn the surrounding populace by accusing them of "backlash"?
              [–]trevoris [score hidden]  (1 child)
              The Huffington Post is completely ignoring this story, they just want it to go away.
              [–]Spacegod87 [score hidden]  (0 children)
              I get that these are liberal places but they cannot turn a blind eye to this. If they let this happen then it's going to KEEP happening. Proper punishments need to be put in place.
              [–]EurotrashInTexas [score hidden]  (0 children)
              These aren't refugees. They are an invading force, Europe better wake the fuck up.
              [–]Lightbrand [score hidden]  (2 children)
              It's okay guys I have the solution.
              #Notallrefugees
              We should do our part and get that hashtag trending. Btw anyone dare to disagree is a racist and probably secret Nazi.
              [–]boji_the_dog [score hidden]  (1 child)
              What do you have against tall refugees?
              [–]Lightbrand [score hidden]  (0 children)
              Well now it should be clear to everyone that I don't got a college degree in social media communications.
              I apologize I have failed you all, the hashtag is a bust, blow it up, let's all go home, don't get raped, travel in groups.
              [–]XBLINK182FUGYEAHX 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
              Who would have thought they would bring the problems of the ME with them?!
              [–]ThePurge010 [score hidden]  (1 child)
              Raping little blond girls. It's sick. Pedophiles. How do you live after knowing that your little baby daughter has been gang raped. Who is going to be held responsible for this?
              [–]StringuhBell [score hidden]  (0 children)
              I was about to make a joke about Islam in poor taste, but then I realized it wasn't necessary. They do a perfectly fine job of representing their "godly" ideals to the rest of the civilized world.
              [–]Cantabiley 39 points40 points41 points  (5 children)
              I told everyone that allowing so many "refugees" in at once would cause problems.
              But nooooo I'm just a racist bigot lol.
              [–]gayness_in_uranus 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
              We should ask the russians if hitlers remains have started spinning yet.
              [–]Blitzkrieg_My_Anus [score hidden]  (5 children)
              How many of these people did Germany bring in?
              Canada wants to rush 30,000 into the country before the end of the year. I know some people are starting to get a little bit uncomfortable with the idea.
              [–]thisblueguy [score hidden]  (0 children)
              This is really sad. I sometimes think, if we ever we went to them for help, they would slam the door shut without any remorse.
              [–]Tethros [score hidden]  (0 children)
              I don't think immediate deportation is the solution. Usually if you commit a crime in another country, you will be prosecuted an punished according to the laws of that country. The perpetrators should go through the justice system, serve whatever time they are accorded by law, then be deported.
              [–]ragtimesongs [score hidden]  (1 child)
              Madness. How hard is it to keep your hands to yourself? Why don't we bring back public flogging, or locking them in the stocks at least?
              [–]tritonx [score hidden]  (0 children)
              No wonder their women have to be covered and segregated, bunch of animals without education.
              [–]2JokersWild [score hidden]  (0 children)
              Haha, what in the blue fuck did they expect to happen?! Islam is simply not compatible with Western cultures and values. Moreover, it has no intention of trying to be either.
              [–]narcedmonkey [score hidden]  (0 children)
              Exactly why this mass immigration was a bad idea. These immigrants don't have values that fit with the western world.
              [–]aweful_aweful [score hidden]  (0 children)
              Couldn't cover it up any longer, but its too late now we know certain people are willing to cover up 1000 men sexually assaulting innocent women to further a political agenda that is seemingly formed by a supervillain. This on top of tons of other incidents. Trump really is good at predicting events and understanding the world and hes going to win.
              [–]sassa0420 [score hidden]  (0 children)
              That's why I am turning pro gun recently. Stand your ground and guns.
              [–]comjaw [score hidden]  (0 children)
              Maybe they should only allow women in.
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